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Channel log from 16 June 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:06
<alkisg>
OK, pushed.
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<fossala>
I'm still using 11.04 live cd so it may be a problem with that but I've downloaded stumpwm and it doesn't show up in the login screen (I would normaly start it with xinitrc).
00:55
On that thought is there a way to make a custom entery? So I can start everything I normally would with xinitrc (stumpwm,feh,dzen,conky)
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02:48
<garymc>
Hi Peeps, we currently have an ubuntu LtSP server running in our office. they ahve several Thin clients running on it. I bring in my Sony VIAO and I connect the netwrok cable into the back of the Sony. But I just cant access the internet. why would this be?
02:48
I dont want to use the sony as a Thin Client by PXE booting, I just want internet connection for my laptop
02:50
<Appiah>
well
02:50
that has nothing to do with ltsp really
02:51
<garymc>
yes I know that , but why cant I just plug the Network cable into my comp and have internet access?
02:51
<Appiah>
if you want to your linux server to nat your network you have to configure it to do so
02:51
<garymc>
where should I ask
02:51
<Appiah>
beacuse you have no such configuration
02:52
the thin clients are accessing the internet directly from the server, not from the client -> server -> internet
02:52
ask in #ubuntu
02:52
<garymc>
Well the Switch has the internet connected to it. then the switch connects to the LTSP server and a Asterisk Server they all use the same internet connection
02:52
Im basicly just plugging into the Network Switch
02:52
<Appiah>
and you get and IP?
02:53
and DNS?
02:53
<garymc>
yes
02:53
<Appiah>
and you can do namelookups?
02:53
<garymc>
namelookups?
02:53
<Appiah>
can you resolv www.google.com?
02:53
<garymc>
I look at the Network driver and it shows my IP etc
02:53
no I cant get google
02:53
<Appiah>
can you ping the dns?
02:54
<garymc>
hmmm not sure
02:54
i just run command ping dnsaddress ?
02:54
<Appiah>
ping #.#.#.# where # is the DNS you got from the DHCP
02:55
cat /etc/resolv.conf or check your GUI
02:55
<garymc>
no it times out
02:55
its a windows laptop so I used cmd
02:55
<Appiah>
compare DNS settings with your LTSP-server
02:55
<garymc>
ping 192.168.0.1
02:55
^ thats the DNS showing up
02:55
<Appiah>
well check ipconfig /all
02:56
(or any other computer with working internet connection)
02:57
<garymc>
ipconfig /all doesnt work
02:57
<Appiah>
thats a windows command
02:58
<garymc>
oh ok
02:58
<Appiah>
maybe you should just ask whoever manages you network..
02:59
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
02:59
<garymc>
i manage it :(
02:59
<Appiah>
do you have other clients not using ltsp in this network?
02:59
<garymc>
what it is , we are finding the Thin clients are VERRRY SLOW
03:00
so we are thinking about changing them for standalone workstations and just giving them a internet connection to access our webserver
03:00
<Appiah>
what's your setup anyway? internet -> ltsp-server -> switch -> clients ?
03:00
<garymc>
ahhhh i will have to check
03:00
I think thats what it may be
03:01
<Appiah>
...
03:01
<garymc>
I was thinking it was internet> switch> ltsp server> clients>
03:01
but what you say there may be correct
03:01
:S
03:01
Its a while since I set it all up now
03:01
well over a year
03:02
everyone in the office just basicly uses a webserver with software on it and a SQL databse
03:02
so we dont really need LTSP anymore.
03:02
It seems to be too slow aswell
03:02
and we dont really use ity
03:02
<alkisg>
Did you try with LDM_DIRECTX=True?
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03:18
<sunscreen2>
runs like a rocket for me garymc
03:18
and i have not even tryed it on 1000mbps
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03:34
<garymc>
DID i time out?
03:34
<sunscreen2>
yup
03:36
<garymc>
so what is LDM_DIRECTX=true
03:36
alkisg
03:37
<sunscreen2>
non encrypted
03:37
<garymc>
ok im a little lost
03:37
what is the benefit of this LDM_ thing?
03:38
<sunscreen2>
LDM is the thinclients login manager
03:40
<alkisg>
garymc: LDM_DIRECTX makes ltsp go 10 times faster, at the cost of security
03:41
You said ltsp was going slow, so that would make it very fast.
03:41
It's a setting you put in lts.conf. See the lts.conf manpage for details.
03:43
<garymc>
ok
03:43
whats the security issue?
03:43
<alkisg>
That X traffic travels on the network unencrypted
03:44
<garymc>
why would i need encyption
03:44
<alkisg>
So if someone is sniffing in your *local* network, he may see the keypresses etc of other people
03:44
Encryption is the default for ltsp, that's usually the reason why some people think it's slow
03:44
<sunscreen2>
why would i need a password box on my login screen
03:47
<garymc>
ok but people form outside would not beable to get in
03:47
<alkisg>
Of course not
03:47
<garymc>
ok
03:47
so i chenge lts.conf
03:47
where do I find the man page for that
03:47
<alkisg>
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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03:49
<garymc>
thanks
03:50
ok where is the ltp.conf file stored?
03:51
i cant seem to find it
03:53
<alkisg>
Run this command on your server:
03:53
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
03:53
There, put:
03:53
[Default]
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LDM_DIRECTX=True
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Save. Reboot your clients.
03:54
You can also add
03:54
X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
03:54
there. That makes it much faster too.
03:54
<garymc>
cool
03:55
ok ill give it a bash thanks
03:55
whats the color one do?
03:55
<sunscreen2>
ah bless it
03:55
<garymc>
I dont have an Lts.conf in that directory
03:56
<alkisg>
Yes, if you do those commands it'll be created
03:56
<sunscreen2>
i just tried to plug my usb removable storage drive in and it popped up a message saying "not authorized"
03:56
<alkisg>
Read the man page for what it does
03:56
<garymc>
ahh ok
04:01
alkisg : I cant get the first line to work. I get error GtK-WARNING **: Cannot open display
04:02
can i just create the file manualy add it and reboot the clients?
04:02
<alkisg>
garymc: yes, if you don't have an X display then gedit won't work, use vi or something
04:07
<garymc>
ok i created the file in notepad and uploaded it to thew server. Iam now rebooting one thin client to see the effects
04:07
<alkisg>
garymc: if you're using windows then don't use notepad to create files
04:07
<garymc>
im on a mac
04:07
<alkisg>
It puts windows line endings in them, and many scripts can't read them then
04:08
<garymc>
should I redo it with VI
04:08
<alkisg>
run this: file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
04:08
What does it say?
04:10
<garymc>
ok
04:10
it says
04:11
it says: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf: ASCII text
04:12
<alkisg>
It should be ok then
04:12
<garymc>
is that right?
04:14
cool
04:14
i think its working already
04:14
ive rebooted one thin client and firfox scrolls fine now
04:14
before it was jumpy
04:17
no it doesnt seem to have made any difference
04:17
:(
04:26
<alkisg>
Sit on the client. Run: ltsp-localapps xterm
04:26
An xterm will open. Inside it, run: getltscfg -a
04:26
What's the output?
04:26
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, 'file' doesn't differentiate between Windows newline and Unix newline does it?
04:26
It's both ascii text.
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<Hyperbyte>
You could run dos2unix on your lts.conf to make sure, dos2unix converts the newlines
04:28
Ohhh, it does differentiate :o That's sweet.
04:28
I've been looking for this. =D
04:29
<alkisg>
Right, e.g.: from-notepad.txt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
04:31
<garymc>
no output
04:31
do I need to run sudo ?
04:32
<alkisg>
No
04:32
<garymc>
yeah no output
04:32
<alkisg>
Did an xterm open?
04:32
<garymc>
yes
04:33
<alkisg>
What's the prompt on that xterm? e.g. garymc@ltsp21 ?
04:33
<garymc>
it was ged@ubuntu
04:33
ged is the user
04:33
<alkisg>
That's not correct then
04:33
It's not a local xterm
04:33
Did you run: ltsp-localapps xterm ?
04:33
<garymc>
ahh hang on
04:33
i ran that in a terminal window
04:34
but I had to add sudo at the beginning to get it to work
04:34
<alkisg>
Read again the instructions above. No sudo needed.
04:34
<garymc>
ok
04:35
<alkisg>
Sit on a client. Open gnome-terminal. Inside gnome-terminal, run: ltsp-localapps xterm.
04:35
An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally on the client, so you should have a ged@ltsp21 prompt there.
04:35
INSIDE that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
04:35
<garymc>
waiting to log in
04:35
ok
04:35
1 min
04:38
ok an xterm opens, took a while it has ged@ltsp59:
04:38
<alkisg>
04:39
<garymc>
yeah i have im waiting for something to happen
04:39
<alkisg>
How much ram does the client have?
04:39
<garymc>
dont know
04:39
<alkisg>
Those commands should be instantaneous...
04:39
Run: free
04:39
(on that local xterm)
04:39
<garymc>
just type free?
04:40
<alkisg>
Yes
04:40
<garymc>
in xterm or terminal
04:40
<alkisg>
In xterm. Close the terminal, we don't need it anymore.
04:40
<garymc>
ok i have ran free
04:40
<alkisg>
What does it say under "total" ?
04:41
<garymc>
105036
04:41
<alkisg>
Just 100 MB RAM? No wonder why it's slow then
04:41
<garymc>
ok
04:41
let me check other terminal
04:41
<alkisg>
All your clients are so old?
04:41
<garymc>
prop
04:42
prob
04:42
<alkisg>
Then you're need to disable nbd-proxy, disable compcache, and enable nbd-swap to make them usable
04:42
Which ubuntu version are you using?
04:42
<garymc>
how do i do that
04:42
should i just buy new thin clients
04:43
<alkisg>
04:43
cat /etc/issue
04:43
That tells you the ubuntu version
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<garymc>
bugger has alkisg gone :(
04:57
UBUNTU 10.04.2 LTS
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<ncd209>
hey under nbd, i am tried to install plymouth in lts-chroot ..
05:30
i selected my theme, ran update-initramfs -u
05:30
then did ltsp-update-image -a i386
05:30
did i miss something cause its not turning up on the client
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<ncd209>
hey Gadi.. :)
05:55
<Gadi>
howdy, stranger
05:55
:)
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<ncd209>
how you doing ;) .. trying to get plymouth installed with the nbd server
06:04
i am tried to install plymouth in lts-chroot .. did update-initramfs -u and lts-update-kernels lts-update-image -a i386
06:05
<Gadi>
ubuntu?
06:08
<ncd209>
debian
06:08
it never turns up in the clients nbd image
06:08
i went on the client and installed plymouth directly to it which worked but is that just temporary i suppose
06:08
s/that is
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<Gadi>
sometimes when you *add* to the initramfs, you cannot do update-initramfs -u
06:11
try instead: update-initramfs -c -k <kernel-version>
06:11
<ncd209>
ok
06:11
<Gadi>
and you needn't do ltsp-update-image
06:11
only ltsp-update-kernels
06:11
<ncd209>
yup its all in initrd which is what i thought just trying to cover all angles
06:13
update-initramfs -c -k vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
06:13
<Gadi>
no - the client kernel
06:13
so, 2.6.32-5-generic or some such
06:14
<ncd209>
hm
06:14
i dont have it
06:14
<Gadi>
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules
06:14
what do you get?
06:15
<ncd209>
2.6.32-5-486
06:15
<Gadi>
so, update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.32-5-486
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06:15
<ncd209>
lots of fatal errors
06:15
i dont 2.6.32-5-486 in /boot
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<Gadi>
?
06:18
I dont understand
06:18
are you chroot'd?
06:18
<ncd209>
yup
06:18
<Gadi>
do you have proc mounted?
06:18
<ncd209>
it generated a 64bit client image in the begening
06:18
then i had to change over to i386
06:19
<Gadi>
but you are chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386
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<ncd209>
ahh
06:20
ltsp-chroot was taking me to the 64bit prefex
06:20
no wonder i was getting confused :)
06:20
<Gadi>
ah
06:21
<ncd209>
;)
06:24
working
06:24
woot
06:24
Gadi, you would be dragged to the pub with me
06:24
but you probably live 2342341 miles away
06:24
<Gadi>
hehe - well, if Im unconscious, just use a funnel
06:24
:)
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<ncd209>
once tnx Gadi + aleskg mgariepy who ever else i might of missed
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<ncd209>
ttys at home
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<fossala>
I've been testing ltsp for the last few days with edubuntu dvd. I am now trying to deploy it on my server using debian. But I am completly lost on dhcp.conf
08:50
Is there any hand pages to read?
08:51
<Gadi>
fossala: the default /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file should work for you
08:51
otherwise, man dhcpd.conf
08:53
<fossala>
Gadi: I just realised it didn't have an interface declared
08:53
reboot and try an boot into it again
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<fossala>
I'v managed to get it to see my server but then tftpd wasn't working so I though I have fixed it but when I try and restart it, it tells me in.tftpd is missing
10:18
<alkisg>
http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/tftpd-hpa/filelist
10:18
/usr/sbin/in.tftpd
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<fossala>
I have that
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<alkisg>
Where do you see that error message, and what exactly does it say? Copy/paste the output
10:23
<fossala>
root@SpellBound:~/etc/init.dtftpd-hpa start
10:24
Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd missing, aborting.
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<vagrantc>
apt-get --reinstall install tftpd-hpa
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<fossala>
Ok it restarting now. I will reboot yet again and cross my fingers it will work.
10:26
thank
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<vagrantc>
doh.
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<pedronveloso>
I'm trying to make wine runnable as a local app, I've added this to lts.conf: LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = wine
11:13
<Gadi>
you don't need that to make it runnable
11:13
<pedronveloso>
but wehn doing "wine" on a terminal it doesn't work, probably because that terminal is running on the server
11:13
<Gadi>
open a local xterm with: ltsp-localapps xterm
11:13
then, try running wine in that xterm
11:13
if that works, you can create a launcher that does: ltsp-localapps wine ....
11:14
<pedronveloso>
works :)
11:14
yeah, that part I can manage. didn't know that ltsp-localapps command, thanks you ;)
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<TheMatrix3000>
ok, i need help
11:17
when I have an ldap user log in to an ltsp system, everything is berserk
11:17
the panels are all messed up
11:18
but for a local user, everything is fine
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11:19
<fossala>
I've managed to boot into it but like on the live cd I cannot find out how to add window managers to ldm
11:19
I tried with kde and that showed up but stumpwm and ratpoison don't
11:20
<Gadi>
fossala: if you can read shell scripts, have a look at /usr/sbin/ldminfod
11:21
that might answer your question
11:21
oops
11:21
its python
11:21
anyhow, look in: /usr/share/xsessions/
11:22
you need a file in there for your session
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<fossala>
Yeah I saw in /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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<TheMatrix3000>
anyone have any advice?
11:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
TheMatrix3000: i just got here
11:33
<alkisg>
Logon as that user, reset the panels, and then if they're still mixed up, upload a screenshot.
11:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
what?
11:33
<alkisg>
gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall -u $USER gnome-panel
11:34
<highvoltage>
/win 7
11:34
<TheMatrix3000>
ok, ill try that
11:35
wait, will that command affect all the users logged in at the moment alkisg
11:35
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: no, you don't use sudo there, it only affects the current user
11:35
<TheMatrix3000>
ah ok
11:38
hey that works
11:38
do i have to do that for everyone
11:39
that uses ltsp?
11:39
i ment ldap and ltsp
11:42
<alkisg>
Panels get mixed up sometimes due to problems
11:42
That command just resets them
11:42
<TheMatrix3000>
ah ok
11:42
<alkisg>
That part doesn't have to do anything with ldap
11:42
<TheMatrix3000>
cause that even fixed my fastuserswitch issue
11:42
<alkisg>
Now, if ldap caused some applet to crash, I don't know
11:42
I've never used ldap
11:42
<TheMatrix3000>
oh really
11:42
I thought it was basically needed in an LTSP cluser
11:42
cluster*
11:42
<alkisg>
I've never used ltsp cluster either :)
11:45
<TheMatrix3000>
oh, haha
11:45
is there a chat just for ltsp cluster?
11:45
so i can pull that up and just see what people run into etc
11:45
i mean i've learned a lot just reading what people put up in here
11:45
<alkisg>
I don't think there is
11:46
This channel is used for ltsp-cluster too afaik
11:46
<Gadi>
TheMatrix3000: how did you make the ldap user's home dir?
11:46
pam_mkhomedir?
11:46
<TheMatrix3000>
yep
11:46
pam_mkhomedir
11:46
add that and it'l create the home directory for you
11:47
<Gadi>
and if you blow away the homedir and log in, is it messed up?
11:47
<TheMatrix3000>
no
11:47
cause the ldap user is still there
11:48
if you do a deluser --remove-home (ldapuser)
11:48
it will remove the user locally and home directory but it didn't remove them from ldap
11:48
for me anyways
11:48
<Gadi>
no no
11:48
thats not what I mean
11:48
pam_mkhomedir creates a home dir upon login for the user
11:48
<TheMatrix3000>
yes
11:48
<Gadi>
if none exists
11:48
<TheMatrix3000>
yep
11:48
if a home directory for that user already exists
11:48
<Gadi>
so if you: rm -rf /home/$USER
11:49
<TheMatrix3000>
then it's fine
11:49
<Gadi>
and log in as $USER
11:49
is it ok?
11:49
<TheMatrix3000>
then it will recreat the directory
11:49
<Gadi>
(ie a fresh homedir)
11:49
<TheMatrix3000>
yes
11:49
<Gadi>
panels are fine?
11:49
<TheMatrix3000>
i don't know
11:49
that might of been why i had to redo mine
11:49
let me test it real quick
11:50
<Gadi>
if the panels are messed up, you know it has something to do with how the homedir is created
11:50
if not, then it is something you did sometime after your homedir was created
11:51
<TheMatrix3000>
give me a sec loging in as test uer
11:51
ok, doing an rm -rf /home/$user on test user
11:53
ok, its logging in now
11:53
after an rm -rf /home/$user
11:53
panels are fine
11:56
<Gadi>
so, it must have been something you did afterwards
11:56
perhaps messing with User Profiles or some such?
11:57
something that would change the user's gconf keys?
11:57
<alkisg>
Adding an applet and changing resolutions sometimes also messes up the panels
11:58
<TheMatrix3000>
yea, it could have been
11:58
o well
11:58
it could have been resolution change
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<TheMatrix3000>
maybe its because i did a rm -r /home/$USER
12:16
instead of a rm -rf /home/$USER
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<Teranos>
hi
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14:11
<Teranos>
whats the diffrence between ltsp4 an 5 ?
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<Gadi>
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_MueKow
14:20
that page belongs in a museum
14:20
:)
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<Teranos>
"LTSP currentlu (Up through LTSP-4.2)", What the hell ?
14:51
<TheMatrix3000>
is it possible to install a firefox extension for all users
14:51
on ltsp
14:56
<abeehc>
yes
14:56
<TheMatrix3000>
how
14:56
<abeehc>
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Installing_extensions
14:57
really has nothing to do with ltsp though
14:57
i normally install the extension in my own firefox, then copy the resulting guid named folder to the system level extension dir, /usr/lib/firefox/extensions i think
15:00
<TheMatrix3000>
really
15:00
and that will push it to everyone?
15:00
but we have all users running firefox locally
15:00
ltsp-localapps firefox
15:01
<abeehc>
in that case, you need to also put that folder in the chroot /var/lib/firefox/extensions
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15:04
<TheMatrix3000>
hmm
15:04
interesting
15:04
and that installs it foreveryone
15:04
what about settings can people still customize which settings they have individually
15:05
for that extension
15:06
<abeehc>
that kinda stuff goes in the user's profile under their home dir
15:12
<TheMatrix3000>
ok
15:12
sweet
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<warren>
ogra_, did you folks figure out a way for nautilus to allow unmounting from the context menu?
15:51
ogra_, GNOME2 doesn't appear to know about fuse mounts
15:51
so it complains the mount is not in fstab
15:52
ogra_, (fuse mounts)
15:52
ogra_, ltspfs
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<vagrantc>
warren: don't believe so
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19:22
<Ghidorah>
Hello. Does anyone know how to get CUPS printer(s) to be listed under the LTSP-Cluster-ControlCenter?
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<warren>
I'm tagging ltsp-trunk and other modules.
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00:00--- Fri Jun 17 2011