IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 31 July 2012   (all times are UTC)

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07:12
<vmlintu>
morning
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08:17
<rickogden>
morning all
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11:30
<rickogden>
hi, I'm trying to get ltsp-pnp working on Ubuntu 12.04 and getting "Error: Socket failed: Connection refused" during boot. Anyone come across this in the latest version?
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12:43
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, shouldn't sys/* be in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes for ltsp-pnp?
13:03
I've installed ltsp-pnp, but pxelinux.0 isn't installed in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
13:03
What now?
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13:07
<rickogden>
Hyperbyte: did you run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels?
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13:11
<Hyperbyte>
rickogden, don't have it
13:12
Oh I do
13:12
Huh
13:12
Must've been copy/paste error
13:12
Just ran it - still don't have it
13:14
<rickogden>
and this ltsp-update-image --cleanup / ?
13:14
Hyperbyte: it is a 32 install right?
13:15
s/32/32bit
13:15
<Hyperbyte>
Yes.
13:15
Maybe I ran it in the wrong order now... let me retry.
13:16
<rickogden>
hmm, the update-kernels script (iirc) is where the pxelinux.0 should be created
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13:23
<Hyperbyte>
Right, that did it.
13:23
update-kernels has to be ran before ltsp-update-image
13:23
dóh.
13:27
<rickogden>
:)
13:28
I noticed that the bbd-server authfile is looking for /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow (which doesn't exist), is this correct in ltsp-pnp?
13:28
bbd-server even
13:28
argh! autocorrect
13:28
nbd-server
13:31
<Hyperbyte>
No idea
13:32
"IP-Config: no response after 2 secs - giving up" Does that mean anything to you?
13:33
<rickogden>
Hyperbyte: did you add the IPAPPEND 3?
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13:33
<rickogden>
and are you running a separate dhcp server?
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
I'm running a seperate dhcp server
13:34
alkisg said I shouldn't do IPAPPEND=3 then
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13:34
<Hyperbyte>
So I skipped that
13:34
<rickogden>
oh right, hmm
13:35
<Hyperbyte>
I can retry with IPAPPEND=3
13:35
?
13:35
<rickogden>
if alkisg said not to I'd listen to him, I'm no expert at this
13:35
I'm doing a similar thing to you except just slightly further ahead :)
13:37
so why did alkisg say not to do IPAPPEND? As it may be relevant to my own situation.
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
I've added IPAPPEND and updated kernels, but doesn't change anything
13:39
I get some errors right after fetching pxelinux.cfg/default, amongst the one above, then it waits a bit, spits out a bunch more errors (which I can't read, too fast) and now I'm in BusyBox
13:43
<rickogden>
remove the "quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7" from the pxelinux.cfg/default file
13:43
and see if you can read anything
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14:18
<Hyperbyte>
Nah, it's not the splash, it's busybox that's clearing the screen
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14:27
<Hyperbyte>
Insufficient information to set up nbd?!
15:20
<vmlintu>
yay, got lightdm more or less to work for thin client sessions instead of ldm..
15:20
<Hyperbyte>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP#Failure:_Insufficient_Information_to_set_up_nbd.2C_quitting
15:20
That's awesome - where do I change that? I don't see a reference to nbdroot anywhre.
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16:31
<uskerine>
hi, i am having issues from time to time while logging from thin clients. Sometimes user sessions seems to get stuck and I have to enter via ssh and delete .cache directory under /home so users can log in again, otherwise session start never completes, is there any way to incorporate that .cache erase before anything else?
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16:53
<Rob_Z>
Mr McQuillan?
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or anyone else involved with 4.2 & the mirror
17:18
<Hyperbyte>
Rob_Z, what do you need?
17:20
Hrm... I got ltsp-pnp to get further now, but now it says that the image is a few million MB in size, and that it can't mount images that large
17:20
In fact, it is 1.2 GB
17:21
<Rob_Z>
I maintain mirrors.tds.net and I just had a quick question or 2
17:22
<Hyperbyte>
!ask
17:22
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
17:26
<knipwim>
Hyperbyte: wasn't jamcq on holiday?
17:27
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, yeah, Rob_Z and I sorted it out.
17:27
<knipwim>
check
17:27
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, could you help me with my nbd problem maybe?
17:28
<knipwim>
probably not, gentoo doesn't use nbd
17:28
but reading the size problem, i had something like it when testing
17:28
the generated image was ok, but when mounting it complained about the size
17:29
<Hyperbyte>
Sounds like what's happening here. Did you solve it?
17:29
<knipwim>
Negotiation: ..size= 4229768MBError: Exported device is too big for
17:29
me. Get 64-bit machine :-(
17:29
that was the error ^^^
17:30
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, I get similar...
17:30
So, did you resolve the issue?
17:30
<knipwim>
nope
17:31
<Hyperbyte>
On some mailing lists it said that it only happens when using named exports
17:31
<knipwim>
i still don't know if it is an image problem
17:31
or initramfs problem
17:31
<Hyperbyte>
Is it easy to convert 12.04 to use port-based exports again?
17:31
<knipwim>
hmm, could be, exporting port based works, but i never tested that in an actual boot
17:32
maybe it is a 64bit problem
17:32
<Hyperbyte>
I'm using i386 though.
17:33
<knipwim>
did you create the image on a 64bit machine, and are booting with an x86?
17:33
i'm just guessing here
17:33
<Hyperbyte>
No, i386 on all accounts. It is a virtual machine though.
17:33
(the one where I created the image)
17:33
Booting with a real one.
17:35
<knipwim>
you probably only have to change your nbd-server settings, and nbd boot settings to use port based nbd's
17:36
<Hyperbyte>
Can you tell me what I need to do exactly?
17:40
<knipwim>
i think the nbd-server file is only for name-based exports
17:40
check out the man page to see the command to run for a port-based exports
17:42
and as for the boot options, I use dnsmasq to provide a kernel boot option for that
17:42
like option:root-path,nbd:192.168.0.1:2000:squashfs:ro
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18:17
<stgraber>
vagrantc: heya
18:18
vagrantc: I'm busy merging ltsp from Debian, so far going through debian/control (and didn't spot anything to change yet), expecting it to take a few more hours to go through the rest. I'll let you know what delta I end up with.
18:19
my guess is that I'll at least get some delta on the udeb and matching templates and translations
18:20
vagrantc: oh, and we don't seem to agree on ltsp-client-core too, will use some Vendor magics there for now ;)
18:28
actually looking at ltsp-client, the delta in ltsp-client-core is pretty minimal and might actually be unneeded but I'd have to check the upstream code to be sure
18:28
basically I end up having: pciutils, usbutils, udhcpc and busybox-static
18:28
<vagrantc>
stgraber: cool :)
18:28
the X-Ubuntu-Depends should handle that nicely.
18:28
<stgraber>
pciutils and usbutils might not be needed (depends if we check on lspci/lsusb in the code), udhcpc is needed as at least Ubuntu uses udhcpc instead of ipconfig
18:29
busybox-static is an hack to prevent the system from trying to install both busybox and busybox-static by forcing -static from the beginning (speeds up dpkg a little and avoids an extra package on the media IIRC)
18:30
vagrantc: cryptsetup?? does that actually work with LTSP? :)
18:34
<vagrantc>
stgraber: for encrypted swap
18:38
<stgraber>
vagrantc: debian/control looks like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121930/
18:39
I'm pretty sure wget is required for ltsp-cluster, AFAIK there's nothing preventing it from working on Debian so you might consider adding that one
18:39
though you might be inheriting it from something else, these things changes quite often ;)
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18:40
<uskerine>
I am using a modern server qith 16Gb RAM and 4 CPUs (Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31220 @ 3.10GHz with 4 cores each), I have three users using mainly firefox, libre office and skype. They are complaining that it is quite slow
18:41
<vagrantc>
stgraber: aren't there client-side ltsp-cluster packages, or just server-side?
18:41
<uskerine>
i am using XFCE (xubuntu) with LTSP
18:41
<stgraber>
vagrantc: just server side, all the client side is in ltsp-trunk (and maybe some bits in ldm-trunk)
18:41
<uskerine>
does anyone have an idea on which user experience can you get for office users?
18:41
<vagrantc>
stgraber: ah, ok.
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18:42* vagrantc still has yet to find the time to actually experimental with ltsp-cluster
18:44
<stgraber>
now to merge debian/rules, that'll be fun ;)
18:44
<vagrantc>
stgraber: should be trivial
18:45
stgraber: just take mine, you're not doing anything fancy :P
18:45
<stgraber>
well, Ubuntu was still on pre-dh7 style, so I actually need to read it all and figure out what extra bits Ubuntu needs
18:45
my guess is that we just need the upstart jobs
18:45
<vagrantc>
stgraber: you mean you can't use dh8?
18:45
stgraber: i added upstart jobs
18:46
stgraber: since the debian package could in theory use them
18:46
<stgraber>
oh nice, then no delta ;)
18:46
<vagrantc>
so it has support for both init scripts and upstart jobs
18:47
<stgraber>
I'm definitely moving to the new fancy dh, it's just that my current packaging doesn't, so the diff is quite ugly ;)
18:51
<vagrantc>
finally gave the thin clients at freegeek some real hardware, and ubuntu, and now people watch (presumably HTML5) videos on LTSP
18:52* vagrantc is dumbfounded
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19:10
<stgraber>
vagrantc: ltsp-client-core delta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121997/
19:10
not sure the "Ubuntu/share" stuff is right, but the rest should be (missing ltsp-open and getltscfg-cluster)
19:12
just 4 files left and I'll be able to do a test build and compare the resulting binaries for anything I missed
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19:37
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: here?
19:38
<stgraber>
alkisg: pretty close to having ltsp merged for quantal, just need to finish dealing with a postinst and with ltsp-client-builder
19:39
<alkisg>
stgraber: cool! We're using the debian ltsp package unmodified here, worked fine so far, but I didn't look into the details (fonts etc) as we're either using only thins, or only fats+ltsp-pnp, so we didn't test all cases...
19:40
<stgraber>
alkisg: yeah, the delta isn't too big and can probably be made even smaller once I check what we actually need
19:41
<alkisg>
stgraber: ideally, it'd be nice if any changes could be incorporated into the same source debian/ dir, so that the differences result from debuild running on different distros...
19:41
Hyperbyte: typical command line in pxelinux.cfg/default: append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.2.0-25-generic-pae init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 root=/dev/nbd0
19:41
<stgraber>
hmm, Debian still uses nbdswapd in /etc/inetd.conf??
19:42
<alkisg>
Maybe both...
19:42
<stgraber>
alkisg: yeah, the changes to debian/control should be easy to merge, the changes to the debian-installer stuff and .install will be a bit trickier
19:45
alkisg: do we still need ltsp-server.postinst to generate /etc/nbd-server/config if it doesn't exist?
19:45
or was that fixed in nbd?
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19:46
<alkisg>
stgraber: that logic was moved to ltsp-config, but I'm not sure if it's called from postinst
19:46
<vagrantc>
stgraber: shouldn't really be using nbdswapd from inetd
19:46
it would be a debian policy violation to do that from postinst on debian
19:46* alkisg has to use his mobile phone instead of his laptop, so less typing from now on... :D
19:46
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, Ubuntu dropped the update-inetd call, but you still have it in Debian
19:47
<vagrantc>
newish versions of nbd ship /etc/nbd-server/config that supports /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/*
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: hm.
19:47
<stgraber>
yeah, we had that nbd for a while, though the debconf template was broken and wouldn't generate /etc/nbd-server/config ;) so I had to cp the template to /etc/nbd-server/config in the postinst ;)
19:48
# enable the ldm info daemon in inetd.conf
19:48
update-inetd --group LTSP --add "9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd"
19:48
vagrantc: ^ you have that in ltsp-server.postinst
19:48
<vagrantc>
oops.
19:48
<stgraber>
the comment is a lie and the line shouldn't be needed ;)
19:48
<vagrantc>
heh
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<stgraber>
ok, merge with Debian done, now to test build that stuff ;)
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<uskerine>
hi, when i do chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 i can not resolve DNS names
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network works fine with IPs
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any idea on where should i look for?
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/etc/resolv.conf seems that no longer has the nameservers
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where should i look for?
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<vagrantc>
oh, uskerine ... had you wated just 10 more minutes...
23:24* vagrantc suspects it was a symlink pointing to nowhere