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Channel log from 18 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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00:43
<garbat>
ciao a tutti
00:47
<str4nd>
English please. :)
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<subir>
ogra, ping
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02:28
<vagrantc>
hmmmm....
02:28
had best get my talk ready.
02:28
jammcq: you still awake ?
02:33
<Waleee>
is someone familiar with nfsmount errors in the client boot-process (ltsp-5.0) ?
02:34
<vagrantc>
Waleee: just tell us the errors, and if we have a clue, we'll respond :)
02:34
always better to just start asking questions, and wait for a response...
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02:39
<Waleee>
ok :) , quote from the boot: "nfsmount need a path" ... the exported /opt/ltsp-5.0/i386 filesystem is found in the boot-up but when it comes to that point when nfsmount kicks in
02:39
it 'errors'
02:39
<vagrantc>
Waleee: ok ... what linux distro ?
02:40
<klausade>
Waleee: what is the "option root-path" like in your dhcpd.conf?
02:40
<vagrantc>
i.e. grep root-path /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
02:41
<Waleee>
debian etch
02:41
klausade: /opt/ltsp-5.0/i386
02:41
<vagrantc>
Waleee: /etc/exports
02:42
<klausade>
Waleee: I need on etch this syntax "option root-path "10.0.2.250:/opt/ltsp/i386";"
02:42
<vagrantc>
klausade: that will definitely not work with the ltsp packages from etch.
02:42
<klausade>
Waleee: not actually sure about that "need"-part, but it works
02:42
<Waleee>
forgot to mention the ip ... but it's included in my dhcpd.conf
02:42
<vagrantc>
well, the initramfs-tools from etch
02:43
<Waleee>
vagrantc: /opt/ltsp-5.0/i386 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
02:43
is the exports line
02:43
<vagrantc>
Waleee: yeah, including the ip in root-path will break it on etch
02:43
<klausade>
vagrantc: sorry, you are correct. (looked at the wrong dhcp-server)
02:44
<Waleee>
ok ... thankx
02:44
<vagrantc>
see http://bugs.debian.org/395145 and 387808
02:44
<Waleee>
*thanks
02:44
<vagrantc>
http://bugs.debian.org/src:ltsp
02:44
Waleee: drop the ip part from root-path, and add "next-server IP;" and restart your dhcp server
02:45
Waleee: that should do it
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<Waleee>
vagrantc: thanks a lot :) ... worked out quite fine
02:52
<vagrantc>
Waleee: sorry we didn't catch that for etch release.
02:55
<Waleee>
vagrantc: will it be a new release in the next months or so ? just wondering if I have done a unnecessary upgrade that will need to be repeated in a few months
02:56
<vagrantc>
Waleee: well, etch will be that way for probably a couple years, at least.
02:56
Waleee: however, there's some backported packages that we release more often- but it's not officially part of etch
03:00
Waleee: there's a *little* bit of info at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
03:00
Waleee: including a howto on using the backported packages
03:01
<Waleee>
vagrantc: I use the tarball version :)
03:01
<vagrantc>
Waleee: oh.
03:02
Waleee: that's probably a little out of date. it was created before etch was released.
03:04
<Waleee>
is there another, more up-to-date, one avaible ?
03:05
<vagrantc>
no that i'm aware of
03:05* vagrantc looks at jammcq
03:05
<vagrantc>
Waleee: you can build it yourself.
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05:43
<Waleee>
is there any additional options to the lts.conf file which can make a usb-keyboard (which is malfunctioning with ltsp 5.0) to work properly ?
05:43
<ogra>
whats malfunctioning ?
05:43
the keyma ? the behavior ?
05:43
*keymap
05:44
and which distro/version ?
05:44
<Waleee>
debian, etch
05:45
the keyboard functions only sometimes when you have typed for example "3" repeatedly
05:45
keymap=se
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<ogra>
hmm, strange ... i didnt see something like that in ubuntu yet ...
05:46
likely an udev bug in debian
05:47
but you are lucky, most of the ltsp debian devs are in edinburgh atm ... they should be around during the day to help you debug :)
05:51
<vagrantc>
Waleee: hrm.
05:52* vagrantc is busy trying to piece together the talk vagrantc should have been writing the last 6 months
05:52* ogra wonders what sbalneav is doing with X in the new ldm code to break the keyboard so badly
05:52
<ogra>
heh
05:52
<vagrantc>
Waleee: so ... does it work fine with other keymaps ?
05:52
<ogra>
vagrantc, its your expert area ... you should be able to talk stand up on that :)
05:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah.
05:53
ogra: we can hope :)
05:53
https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
05:53
<Waleee>
haven't tested that yet ...
05:53
<ogra>
lots of certs ...
05:53
not i know the site cant lie :P
05:54
vagrantc, nice intro :)
05:55
<vagrantc>
ogra: i hope my talk goes nearly as well as my description of the talk :)
05:55
<ogra>
heh
05:55
it wil, i'm sure
05:55
*will
05:55* ogra twiddles thumbs waiting for sbalnev ...
05:56
<ogra>
i would so love to upload the new ldm stuff but somehow scott manages to break X input in the code ...
05:56
<sep>
vagrantc, 22/6 ? ill see if i can watch on stream
05:56
<ogra>
and i cant find the reason
05:56
<vagrantc>
they put me in the big talk room ... eeyk.
05:56
<ogra>
hehe
05:57
<vagrantc>
sep: june 22nd, yes.
05:57
sep: 14:00 +0100 i think
05:57
<ogra>
well, for ubuntulive we have tree thin client talks already :) ltsp is the future, get used to big rooms ;)
06:01* vagrantc likes trees
06:02
<cliebow>
vagrantc, they let you in finally then?
06:03
<ogra>
heh
06:03
<cliebow>
you streaming your talk ? 8~)
06:03
<vagrantc>
yeah, made it through on the second try :)
06:03
i think it'll be streamed
06:04
<sep>
the debian videoteam is streaming everything and archiving it for posterity at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2007/debconf7/
06:04
afaik
06:04
<vagrantc>
cliebow: were you around in the ltsp 3.0 and earlier days ?
06:04
<cliebow>
ltsp 3 yes..noy before
06:04
<vagrantc>
i'm trying to get a brief technical history ...
06:04
<cliebow>
we stole binaries from redhat 7.2 i believe
06:05
<vagrantc>
cliebow: i.e. briefly talk about the LBE for 4.x, and what we do for 5.0 ...
06:05
<cliebow>
7.3 i meAN
06:05
<vagrantc>
cliebow: so you built /opt/ltsp/i386 using rpms ?
06:05
that's what i thought, but wanted to check
06:06
in a sense, ltsp 5.0 almost seems more similar to ltsp 3.x ... except of course, with ltsp 5.0 we're attempting to be distro independent :)
06:06
<cliebow>
jammcq has a little history..he saids they were going nuts trying to support it..when i get to school ill look around a little..so jim and scottie buit the build environment so glibcs and stuff would match
06:07
lemme look at the wiki..
06:07
<ogra>
vagrantc, are you attempting to implement fedora ?
06:07
<vagrantc>
yeah, i tried finding some info earlier today but had a bit of a difficult time finding too much
06:08
ogra: no :P
06:08
<ogra>
hhe
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06:08
<ogra>
anaconda should be able to build chroots according to warren
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<vagrantc>
ogra: just that we've put some thought into making it so that it wouldn't be hard to build it on other distros
06:10
<ogra>
hmm, scottie uses add as xauth command instead of generate ... i woder if thats cuasing the input probs ... semms unlikely though
06:11
<cliebow>
yeeah ltsp3 came in rpm tgz and deb
06:12
<vagrantc>
cliebow: but the ltsp3 deb still installed /opt/ltsp/i386 built from rpms, right ?
06:13
just want to make sure i get the basic theory right
06:13
<cliebow>
LBE (LTSP Build Environment)
06:13
Probably the largest single feature of LTSP-4.0 is the fact that it is entirely built from source code. In previous versions of LTSP, we took binaries from other distros (Mostly Redhat 7.0).
06:14
<ogra>
does anybody see any reason to keep esd support ?
06:14
<cliebow>
http://ltsp.sourceforge.net/ltsp-4.html
06:14
<ogra>
pulse replaces it completely in all areas ... imho we could drop it
06:14
<vagrantc>
cliebow: thanks :)
06:14
<cliebow>
best i can do..jammcq can speak more coherently of curse
06:15
<vagrantc>
cliebow: yeah, i'll hopefully hassle jammcq later as well
06:16
<cliebow>
no hassle at all best of luck presenting...ping me if there is a webcam going there..loove to look in
06:17
<vagrantc>
cliebow: barring technical difficulties, it will definitely be streamed
06:26
<cliebow>
cool..bookin it for school
06:43
<jammcq>
g'morning guys
06:43
<ogra>
jammcq, morning
06:44
ldm2 rocks !
06:44
if it would also work it would be perfect :P
06:44
<jammcq>
hey, anybody have a clue how to look at a core file and tell what program was running that created it?
06:44
ogra: details :)
06:44
<ogra>
cant gdb do that ?
06:44
<jammcq>
I'm pretty sure gdm can, I just don't know the magic command to enter in gdm
06:44
err
06:44
gdb
06:45
I just spent about 10 minutes trying
06:45
anyway, I have a 3.2gb core file in my home directory on one of my servers. It's got a timestamp of last friday at 6:30pm, and I don't understand what it is
06:46
and I know that i wasn't logged in at 6:30pm, cuz I was travelling in Minnisota
06:47
<ogra>
well, somethng crashed
06:47
<jammcq>
something BIG crashed
06:47
<ogra>
nah
06:47
<jammcq>
uptime is 207 days
06:47
<ogra>
your server has 3.2G ram or more
06:48
its an image of your memory
06:48
<jammcq>
no
06:48
<ogra>
no ?
06:48
<jammcq>
core files don't grab ALL of ram
06:48
only the the ram used by that program
06:48
<ogra>
well
06:48
<jammcq>
so, it appears the program was using 3.2gb
06:50* ogra pokes ldm and changes the xauth file creation
06:51
<ogra>
but i doubt that fixes the input probs :/
06:53
where is scott if you need him ...
06:53
<jammcq>
heh
06:53
he'll be here in 90 mins or so
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<ogra>
yeah, i know
06:53
i just wanted to moan a bit
06:53
<jammcq>
he is soooo geeked up about this ldm2 stuff
06:53
<ogra>
i'm clueless what our probelm is ...
06:53
<jammcq>
it's fun to watch him
06:54
<ogra>
well, i was planning to default to it today
06:54
but that input prob prevents it ...
06:54
apparently keyboard and mouse input gets repeted over and over after some time ... that doesnt happen in ldm1 or XDMCP ...
06:55
the only obvous difference is that ldm2 creates xauth with "add" instead of "generate"
06:56
apart from that i dont know what else he has done
06:56
seems there is no ssh-askpass used at all
06:56
ahich ldm1 did ...
06:56
*which
06:58
jammcq, btw, i found the bug with the e2300 and usplash :)
06:58
<jammcq>
oh?
06:58
fixable?
06:58
<ogra>
usplash defaults to 1024x786 :)
06:59
the sis framebuffer only manages 800x600
06:59
<jammcq>
oh? wow
06:59
<ogra>
changing /etc/usplash in the chroot to 800x600, regenerating the initramfs and running ltsp-update-kernels fixes it
06:59
err
07:00
/etc/usplash.conf
07:00
<jammcq>
what does that do for the other clients?
07:00
<ogra>
i'm not sure we should make it the default for all clients ...
07:00
it looks a bit shoddy on big screens
07:00
but it wouldnt break on them
07:01
<jammcq>
seems like we should be able to tell sis fb driver to behave properly
07:01
<ogra>
well, sisfb isnt used ...
07:01
usplash defaults to vesafb
07:01
changing *that* is want more complicted than fixing the usplash.conf
07:02
if i could find a way to 100% sure tell that we're on an e2300 in initramfs i could add workaround code
07:02
<jammcq>
ah, it appears nx is what crashed on my box
07:02
strings core | more
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<ogra>
so it automatically falls back to 800x600 for e2300's
07:02
<jammcq>
shows lots of 'nx' stuff
07:03
hmm
07:03
take the md5sum of the output of lspci
07:03
use that as a signature
07:03
<ogra>
hmm
07:04
<jammcq>
but you'd need to do that early, eh?
07:04
<ogra>
sounds like a plan ...
07:04
yeah
07:04
very early
07:05
<vagrantc>
probably just use: md5sum /proc/bus/pci/devices
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<jammcq>
yeah
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07:05
<jammcq>
that's what I was thinking too
07:05
but I wonder if there's any state information in /proc/bus/pci/devices
07:05
<ogra>
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/usplash has the code
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<cliebow_>
vagrantc, if you get a url lemme know..
07:06
<ogra>
oooh, wait ...
07:07
probably usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer might be more helpful
07:07* ogra tries something
07:07
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: http://streams.video.debconf.org:8000/
07:07
<cliebow_>
graze!
07:07
<vagrantc>
er, wait
07:08
i guess that's it
07:08
i thought there were several simultaneous talks ... but maybe only one of them is streamed
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<vagrantc>
cliebow_: for more details: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/06/msg00006.html
07:09
<cliebow_>
beauticil
07:10
<vagrantc>
jammcq: so what should i say ? "blah blah blah LTSP blah blah" ?
07:11
i guess that's pretty much the structure of a talk.
07:11
<jammcq>
vagrantc: did you get my email?
07:11
<vagrantc>
jammcq: not yet
07:11
<jammcq>
well.......
07:11
it basically says blah blah blah LTSP blah blah
07:11
<vagrantc>
excellent, so i'm on the right track!
07:11
<jammcq>
with the occasional joke in there
07:11
<ogra>
vagrantc, enterprise solution of the future, lowering maintenance costs, no moving parts in clients, changing broken clients as easy as changing a lightbulb
07:12
<jammcq>
able to leap tall buildings in a single bound
07:12
<vagrantc>
sounds too much marketing
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<vagrantc>
i mean, i'll address that, but that's not really the weight of the talk.
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: when is your talk?
07:13
<vagrantc>
jammcq: https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
07:13
<ogra>
jammcq, https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
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<jammcq>
oh, plenty of time
07:15
vagrantc: VERY nice description
07:15
did you write that?
07:16
<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah, i hope the talk is half as good as the description
07:16
<jammcq>
heh, I'd definately go to that talk
07:16
if it weren't 4,000 miles away
07:17
<vagrantc>
unfortunately, i'm competing with mako ... on a talk that i'd really like to go to :(
07:17
<jammcq>
yeah, conflicts in the schedule suck
07:18
<cliebow_>
as would i..can yu hold off a few minutes while i look for a flight..
07:18
<vagrantc>
heh
07:18
<jammcq>
cliebow_: whaddya say we show up for his talk
07:18
<vagrantc>
heh
07:18
<jammcq>
we'll be the two old guys in the back, heckling him :)
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<cliebow_>
sounds like a plan..just like the old geeaers in the Muppet Show
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<jammcq>
zackly
07:19
<cliebow_>
all i see in the stream is "Debconf 7" i thought there'd at least be a drum roll
07:20
<vagrantc>
cliebow_: it's still lunch here
07:20
probably no talks
07:20
<jammcq>
vagrantc: if you see Bdale, tell him I said hello
07:21
<vagrantc>
jammcq: sure
07:22
oh, the nbd maintainer in debian (and possibly upstream, sort of) is here ...
07:22
<jammcq>
why does it say DebConf7 is 17-23 June 2007? but clearly the schedule starts on june 9th?
07:22
<vagrantc>
we've talked a bit about nbd related stuff- he's very recenptive
07:22
<jammcq>
vagrantc: cooool
07:23
<vagrantc>
jammcq: the earlier part is technically debcamp ... more hacking related
07:23
jammcq: the fun part :)
07:23
hence, all the packages in debian i work on recieved new uploads this week :)
07:23
<jammcq>
i'm curious to see how it will be supporting large installations, where you want to change the chroot. do all users have to be OFF the system before generating the new filesystem image?
07:23
<ogra>
vagrantc, having a proper pinger in nbd-server would be so cool
07:23
<jammcq>
ie, what happens if you slide a new squashfs image in place, while a user is logged in?
07:23
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, sounds like that'll be implemented
07:24
<ogra>
we cant set the keepalive values to lower than 2h else it breaks ftp i was told
07:24
<vagrantc>
jammcq: what were the features you added in ltspswapd ?
07:24
<ogra>
i dont like to have nbd-servers hanging around for 2h
07:24
so having a proper ping solution in the server itself would be cool
07:24
<jammcq>
vagrantc: umm.... auto creating of the swap files
07:24
<vagrantc>
jammcq: that's it ?
07:24
<jammcq>
I think so
07:24
<ogra>
vagrantc, didnt we look at it together ?
07:24
<jammcq>
it's been a long time
07:24
<ogra>
i'm pretty sure it was only that
07:25* jammcq has to head out to pickup daughter #1 from the airport
07:25
<ogra>
vagrantc, beyond that, tell wouter i owe him a beer even we never met :)
07:25
<vagrantc>
i didn't look at it till today
07:25
<jammcq>
see ya'll a bit later
07:25
<ogra>
ndbroot beats all i've ever seen before :)
07:26
<vagrantc>
ogra: will do
07:26
<ogra>
(might be the suqashfs though ... but dont tell him :) )
07:27
<vagrantc>
jammcq: i *think* the nbd-server process will hold the file open, and even if you move the file the running processes will use the old one.
07:27
<ogra>
yes it does
07:27
i can shuffe around the image even though i have running clients here
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<vagrantc>
so regenerating a new one will require rebooting the terminal for changes to take effect
07:27
<ogra>
right
07:27
<vagrantc>
which is often the case for many things with NFS anyways
07:28
<ogra>
it shld respect the HUP signal
07:28
to re-read the image on demand
07:28
<vagrantc>
that's going to be hard to implement ...
07:28
the client would also have to somehow remount the image, too ...
07:28
otherwise you'd get filesystem corruption, i think
07:28
<ogra>
why?
07:28
hmm
07:29
<vagrantc>
i'm not positive, but i think so
07:29
<ogra>
well, in the union thats likely indeed
07:29
wiht a standalone readonly image that shouldnt be an issue
07:29
<cliebow_>
ogra:any way to override architecture warnings when trying to install stuff in ppc like nx and firstclass:or perhaps there is really a good reason for it
07:29
<vagrantc>
heh.
07:29
you could add the new image to the union, and remove the old one :)
07:29
<ogra>
yeah
07:30
i was pondering something like that
07:30
oh
07:30* ogra just saw an xauth error rushing by
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07:39
<Waleee>
which X config file is used by ltsp-5.0 ? The one included unde "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" doesn't seem to affect the setup in many ways (screen resolution, keyboard-maps ... )
07:40
*/opt/ltsp-5.0/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:41
<ogra>
its generated on boot
07:41
you can affect it by setting values in lts.conf or even force the use of a static config file
07:42
all known parameters are in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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<ogra>
and an example file for ltsp5 is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
07:43
<Waleee>
I have tested to change lts.conf X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 but ltsp still uses 1024x768 :/
07:44
*change lts.conf X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 to 1280x1024
07:46
<ogra>
X_MODE isnt supported in ubuntu, but should be in debian ... you said you are using etch, right ?
07:46
<Waleee>
yes
07:46
<ogra>
just use a static config file if you cant get the autodetection running ;)
07:46
it speeds up the boot as well :)
07:47
in ubuntu we use X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH to generate the right modelines if your monitor is to old to give the correct answer to the probe, that should be possible in debian as well ...
07:49
<Waleee>
ok , you don't happen to remember the correct values for the if you want to use a 1280x1024 resolution ?
07:50
<ogra>
they are specific to your monitor
07:50
should be in your handbook (or google model and manufacturer)
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<ogra>
cliebow, you cant run binaries that are compiled for i386 on ppc
07:56
<cliebow_>
ogra:yeah ..
07:57
i kinda thought that might be high level enough to not care..but i guess not
07:58
<ogra>
big endian vs little endian CPU :)
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<vagrantc>
Waleee: X_MODE_0 should work, but if your video card is detected as vesa, 1024x768 might be the maximum it supports ...
08:20
Waleee: if you know what driver your card supports, you can specify XSERVER=DRIVERNAME in lts.conf
08:21
Waleee: alternately, create an xorg.conf that works for you and set XF86CONFIG_FILE=/path/to/custom/config/file
08:21
Waleee: like ogra said, that'll speed up boot.
08:40
jammcq: still haven't gotten your email :(
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08:44* ogra wonders if he should put time into adding a WLAN mode and an iso builder for WLAN netboot support
08:45
<ogra>
i'm poking around in initramfs anyway
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<Gadi>
ogra: did you ever wind up moving more of the init stuff into initramfs?
08:52
<ogra>
not for gutsy
08:53
gutsy+1 or +2
08:53
(+1 might be LTS, so i'll be very careful abot that one)
08:54
<Gadi>
gotcha
08:54
how about the udevsettle redirect stuff?
08:54
<ogra>
thats done already
08:54
<Gadi>
ah
08:54
for gutsy
08:54
<ogra>
more important is to get ldm2 to work atm
08:54
<Gadi>
right
08:54
hows it going?
08:54
<ogra>
thats something i urgently want in gutsy
08:55
works fine, but X input is completely broken
08:55
no clue why yet
08:55
no traces in any logs odr so
08:55
<Gadi>
as in keybd doesnt work?
08:55
<ogra>
rather the opposite :)
08:56
one input event is repeated endlessly ...
08:56
<Gadi>
ha! really?
08:56
neat
08:56
<ogra>
it shows up if you hit enter several times in a terminal
08:56
bu also seems to affect the mouse
08:56
<Gadi>
hmm...
08:56
<ogra>
and it doesnt show up in ldm1 or XDMCP on the same setup
08:56
<Gadi>
so, its something in the greeter code...
08:56
<ogra>
so it must be the ldm2 code
08:57
nope, not the greeter
08:57* vagrantc wonders if it has to do with all the stdin/stdout handling
08:57
<ogra>
vagrantc, yes, very likely with the dropping of the tty
08:57
which we dont do in ldm1
08:57
we use an ssh-askpass wrapper there ...
08:57
scott refused to do that in ldm2
08:58
<vagrantc>
i don't see why we can't use ssh-askpass for the parts it works for, and start processing output differently when necessary ... i guess that might be hard to determine
08:58
<ogra>
intrestingly if i log out and back in again it seems to work fine
08:58
<Gadi>
is ssh-askpass documented well anywhere?
08:59
<ogra>
well, apparently scott wrote his own ssh-askpass inside the code as a function
08:59* Gadi has never seen good docs of inputs/outputs
08:59
<ogra>
Gadi, in ssh i guess
08:59
it has tons of different implemetations and is usually only a wrapper around a file descriptor to parse the password
09:00
<Gadi>
but, it can also handle the other parts
09:00
not just password
09:00
but, Ive never seen docs on what ssh feeds to the script
09:00
<ogra>
ssh-askpass-fullscreen sounds like a good ldm1 replacement :P
09:01
Gadi, only the password
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09:01
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "ldm-askpass for Gadi" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/189
09:02
<Gadi>
really? how come I have seen GUI interactions for the known-hosts stuff, as well?
09:02
<ogra>
thats not ssh-askpass
09:02
<Gadi>
presumably thats implemented thru askpass as well
09:02
no?
09:02
hmm...
09:02
<ogra>
afaik not
09:02
anywayi i dont really think its the password handling
09:03
its the dropping of the tty either or even an X or xauth issue
09:03* ogra suspects xauth somehow
09:04
<ogra>
or a realtion of xauth and the dropping of the tty
09:04
*relation
09:09
<vagrantc>
ssh-askpass passes whatever ssh feeds it on to the implementation
09:10
so it does do known_hosts handling and stuff ...
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<ogra>
ah
09:30
<vagrantc>
with sdm it actually even obscures the yes/no answers as if they were passwords because i just hard-coded the password-obscuring stuff
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: so, what is the input to askpass? (ie stdin) is it just the text of the ssh question?
09:32
or is it a code of sorts?
09:32* vagrantc pulls up the sdm-ssh-askpass code
09:33
<vagrantc>
heh. it's a one-liner
09:34
Xdialog --stdout --password --inputbox "$1" 0 0 ""
09:34
well, in the code it's 3 lines with \'s
09:34
<Gadi>
heh
09:35
<Blinny>
Does anyone have a full X_MODE line for a widescreen LCD at 1440x900 ?
09:35
<vagrantc>
so ssh-askpass just gets passed the visual text as the first argument ...
09:35
maybe it specifies a second argument in some cases ...
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<exodos>
Blinny: Modeline "1440x900_60.00" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync
09:50
Modeline "1440x900_70.00" 126.98 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 901 904 937 -HSync +Vsync
09:50
<Blinny>
Rock on. Thank you.
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<Blinny>
exodos: In my examples in the lts.conf file there are no quotes, nor is there a _hz -- This is correct?
09:52
Oh. Wait.
09:52
This goes in build_x3_cfg doesn't it.
09:53
<exodos>
there should be no quotes, but _hz is needed
09:54
<Blinny>
exodos: So the lts.conf line is X_MODE_0 = 1440x900_60.00 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync
09:54
?
09:55
<exodos>
yeah, should be ok
09:55
<Blinny>
Thank you.
09:56
<exodos>
actually if you want to use just one of them you can delete _hz
09:56
<Blinny>
Ah, rock on.
09:56
brb. Thank you.
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10:02
<Blinny>
Thanks exodus - Works like a champ.
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Gadi>
!s
11:28
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:29
<sbalneav>
Hey gadi!
11:30
<Gadi>
missed u at NCLS
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11:30
<sbalneav>
Have fun?
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11:31
<sbalneav>
ogra!
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<Gadi>
indeed
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<sbalneav>
hey vagrantc.
11:45
<vagrantc>
hi
11:45* vagrantc has been fighting with broken mailservers today
11:49* ogra just bought a good bunch of new network HW
11:49
<sbalneav>
Cool, ogra
11:49
<ogra>
including netgear AP ...
11:49
it has three small sheets of paper in the box ...
11:50
and one folded big one
11:50
guess whats printed on the big one
11:51
<sbalneav>
"Doesn't work with Linux"?
11:51
:)
11:51
<ogra>
nah
11:51
the GPL :)
11:51
<sbalneav>
Ah, cool.
11:52
<ogra>
they actually put a printout of GPL and LGPL in te package :)
11:52
<sbalneav>
Hey, you manage to get ldm2 going?
11:52
<ogra>
yes
11:52
<sbalneav>
Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:52
What was the problem?
11:52
<ogra>
but something you added makes input events break
11:52
<sbalneav>
Ah!!!
11:52
<ogra>
no idea, yesterdays build worked fine
11:52
<sbalneav>
So you're having the same problem with keyboard as I am?!
11:53
<ogra>
i was fiddlig manually a lot and tried with a fresh chroot yesterday
11:53
yes, but only on ldm2
11:53
not on ldm1 or XDMCP
11:53
<sbalneav>
Sticky keys reapeatinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg?
11:53
<ogra>
neither with ldm1 and the new greeter
11:53
<sbalneav>
Crumb
11:53
ok
11:53
Well, good.
11:53
Now I know it's my fault.
11:53* sbalneav racks his brain.
11:53
<ogra>
i also notice xauth warnings in the ldm2 session
11:54
<sbalneav>
Oh, really?
11:54
WHere?
11:54
<ogra>
and i noticed that you use add instead of generate for xauth
11:54
i usually use x2x via ssh -X to my laptop, so i can use the client keyboard and mouse on it
11:54
<sbalneav>
Well, I took a look in what's in startx
11:55
What they do in there is generate a key with the mcookie,
11:55
add it
11:55
<ogra>
running ssh -X -l ogra laptop x2x -east produces the xauth error
11:55
<sbalneav>
then start the X with that.
11:55
<ogra>
i dont see that error in XDMCP or ldm1
11:55
<sbalneav>
I can easily do it the other way.
11:55
<ogra>
so i suspect its somewhat xauth related
11:56
but it might also be the -t in your ssh call
11:56
<sbalneav>
Gah! The keyboard thing is driving me nits.
11:56
nuts
11:56
<ogra>
guess we have to check that step by step
11:56
<sbalneav>
yeah
11:56
ok
11:56
well, we'll figure it out.
11:56
<ogra>
oh, did you notice that it goes away after a re-login ?
11:56
at least here
11:56
<sbalneav>
no! I didn't
11:56
Interesting.
11:57
Hey! Did you see the rc file stuff I added in last night?
11:57
delayed mounter can disappear. Replaced by a 3 line shell script :)
11:57
<ogra>
i didnt pull since yesterday morning, no
11:57
<sbalneav>
Whoops gotta go to a meeting.
11:57
be on in an hoir
11:57
<ogra>
ah, sounds cool !
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<dz0>
Thought perhaps you might be able to help me. Ive run ltsp before but the question I have is not about it. Knowing a lot of dealings with pxe in here Im hopeful. I apologize up front for being off topic. I am trying to pxeboot a machine for a remote install of Redhat AS4. I get an "NBP is too big to fit in base memory." My understanding is I need some small bootstrap file The system is "HP UNDI PXE-2.1" ... intel NIC. Any sugge
12:12
stions? Thanks.
12:23
<vagrantc>
dz0: you'll need a PXE capable boot loader, such as pxelinux from syslinux
12:23
dz0: and configure your boot loader to load the OS.
12:25
<dz0>
vagrantc: This? http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php
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<vagrantc>
dz0: sounds about right
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<dz0>
vagrantc: Thanks. Ill look into this. Hopefully it works. Ive been all over the place and cant find any bootstrap file provided by the vendors. Seems like I dont recall having to do this stuff with my cheapo motherboards with built in nics at home... heh
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<vagrantc>
i'd be very surprised if you didn't need a boot loader when using PXE
12:29
<dz0>
I could just be remember wrong. THats more likely. =) Id think redhat would provide that in their pxeboot directory in that case...
12:29
<vagrantc>
probably
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<meeri>
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<meeri>
does any one have an idea how to solve?
12:47
<vagrantc>
meeri: what's in pxelinux.cfg/default ?
12:47
meeri: you need to figure out what file pxelinux is trying to load, and see if that file is there.
12:48
<meeri>
12:50
<vagrantc>
meeri: ok, well, you need to check how your tftp server is configured, and make sure that the files pxelinux.cfg/default are present in the directory your tftp server is serving them up from.
12:50
<meeri>
tftp server has the "s "flag, and what files do I nedd in the pxelinux.cfg directory?
12:51
<vagrantc>
meeri: if at all possible, connect to irc while you can look at the configuration files sometime later
12:51
meeri: you need to look at what files are referenced in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
12:52
<meeri>
the only file mentoned in this file is bzImage-XXXXXX
12:52
<vagrantc>
then make sure that file is served up via tftp
12:52
<cliebow_>
meeri:you said 4.2?
12:52
<meeri>
should I copy it into the pxelinux.cfg directory
12:52
yap 4.2, is correct
12:52
<ogra>
also make sure you only have one dhcp server ;)
12:53
<vagrantc>
but you said the error message was "kernel linux not found." so maybe the file in pxelinux.cfg/default is different than what's in the directory.
12:53
meeri: if it's a relative path, it needs to be copied relative to the pxelinux.0 binary
12:54
meeri: really, join irc later when you can get at the configuration- it will save us all hours of time.
12:54
<meeri>
12:55
through
12:55
<vagrantc>
well, it's very difficult to troubleshoot without knowing the specific configuration
12:55
<meeri>
I will try to set the relative path to the bzImage file
12:56
thx anyway, will try it tomorrow
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<cliebow_>
meeri:perhaps you could pastebot your dhcpd.conf
12:56
or not///(indeed!)
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<sahil>
how do i compile a custom kernel for 4.2?
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<cliebow_>
must you?
13:03
<sahil>
cliebow_:i must
13:04
<cliebow_>
i believe the kernel kit has a ,config to use..
13:04
you "Really " need to talk to jammcq..
13:05
it has been so long..since i did it
13:05
<sahil>
the reason im doing it is for these ebox clients
13:05
my video is all slow and crappy
13:06
jammcq didn't know why so i figured id try compiling the right modules for video in
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<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels
13:06
<sahil>
yeah im there
13:07
the instructions pass over to 4.2?
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<cliebow_>
i "think 2.6.13 was a 4.2 kernel..
13:09
<sbalneav>
Back
13:09
<cliebow_>
Front
13:09
<sbalneav>
Sidways!
13:09
It's just a jump to the left!
13:09
(and then a step to the riiiiiight)
13:09
<cliebow_>
jammcq would call me names..
13:10
shake it all aroiund
13:10
<sbalneav>
Put your hands on your hips!
13:10
(And pull your knees in tiiiiiiight)
13:10
<cliebow_>
how you coming on your ldm2.5
13:10
<sbalneav>
Much progress, and one nasty bug needing to be solved.
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<cliebow_>
Dad!!have a good day yesterday?
13:15
<Guaraldo>
Hi, Daddy!!!
13:15
<jammcq>
cliebow_: yeah, I did
13:15
<cliebow_>
me too
13:15
<jammcq>
went for a great 8-mile bike ride. first one of the year
13:16
<cliebow_>
i drove a hundred miles to get a "Linux Magazine"
13:16
and of course...lunch
13:16
<jammcq>
wow, that's desparate
13:16
<cliebow_>
and got some tennis balls for the dog
13:17
those guys are Rocking on ldm2
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<ogra>
wow, this new usb HD is impressive ...
13:22* ogra just realized his external disk is faster than the internal one
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<gbolte>
has anyone tried to upgrade the version of xorg on ltsp to 7.1 and ran aiglx on their kiosk machines?
13:47
<cliebow_>
gbolte:i dont think so..this i s 4.2?
13:47
<gbolte>
yeah
13:47
I was on a project to try to upgrade it from 6.9 to 7.1
13:47
lol
13:48
<cliebow_>
you come up with dependency problems?
13:49
<vagrantc>
gbolte: you could try using the debian or ubuntu based LTSP which have newer versions of X.org
13:49
<jammcq>
Xorg 6.9 was the last version of Xorg to use the monolithic build. 7.1 is using the modular build. it is a HUGE task to put that into the LBE
13:49
<gbolte>
well I was trying to compile it from source and ended up giving up due to compile problems
13:49
<jammcq>
HUGE doesn't even begin to cover it
13:49
<gbolte>
hehe
13:49
<jammcq>
HUGE x 1000 is what it would be :)
13:49
<gbolte>
yeah
13:49
vagrantc, oh really?
13:50
<vagrantc>
!ltsp5
13:50
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
13:50
<gbolte>
I may need to " borrow a few .deb files and extract their version
13:50
er "borrow"
13:51
<vagrantc>
well, you'd be better off just building the entire environment, or using one of the pre-built tarballs.
13:51
<gbolte>
prebuild tarball for xorg?
13:51
<vagrantc>
for LTSP
13:51
!tarball
13:51
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
13:51
<jammcq>
for LTSP-5
13:52
<vagrantc>
gbolte: what distro you running?
13:52
<gbolte>
we are running suse
13:52
SLED 10 SP1
13:53
<vagrantc>
there's actually been some effort from the opensuse folks i think to get LTSP5 ...
13:53
don't know how far along it is yet
13:53
<gbolte>
hmm I should check that out
13:55
so far from what I have been researching, it dosent look like anyone has any documentation on ltsp + aiglx :P
13:56
<vagrantc>
no idea on the aiglx, but newer versions of X.org are available in the newer distros
13:56
<gbolte>
we already have 3d acceleration on the kiosk machines thanks to the nvidia drivers :)
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<whiprush>
you can use aiglx with ltsp
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<whiprush>
I have one or two here that do it
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<gbolte>
whiprush, oh yeah?
14:01
<jammcq>
whiprush: yeah, but you are using LTSP-5
14:01
he's running Suse
14:01
<whiprush>
oh
14:01* whiprush reads up a bit
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<whiprush>
oh god, that would be alot of work
14:02
<gbolte>
well we can run ltsp5 however the last time that was tried things didnt work too well
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<vagrantc>
you can install a debian or ubuntu tarball on suse ...
14:03
it does require some effort, for sure.
14:03
<gbolte>
ah
14:03
<vagrantc>
ideally you get the suse folks to integrate it :)
14:03
<gbolte>
hehe
14:03
yeah
14:04
<whiprush>
they have their own lame thin client thing too
14:04
<ogra>
aiglx is enabled by default in ubuntus xorg btw
14:04
<whiprush>
which I think comes with sled10
14:04
<gbolte>
well I think this project just came to a halt, because its turning out to be more work than worth
14:05
and switching to another os isnt really an option either
14:05
<ogra>
well, there are two very wel working implementations ... it cant be *that* hard to port them to a suse or redhat
14:06
<gbolte>
yeah
14:07
<ogra>
gbolte, we tried compiz on an intel 915 based thin client during the last conference in sevilla btw, its awesome ...
14:07
and really snappy
14:08
<gbolte>
oh yeah?
14:08
<ogra>
yup
14:08
<gbolte>
thats good to know
14:09
<whiprush>
I can't find any intel-based thin clients, what kind was it?
14:09
<ogra>
wobbly windows, drop shadows and zooming ... all worked as if running locally
14:09
<whiprush>
I've just been using intel based PCs netbooted.
14:09
<ogra>
whiprush, well, it was my classmate PC :)
14:09
<whiprush>
ah
14:09
<ogra>
not really a thin client
14:09
<whiprush>
slick
14:09
<gbolte>
yeah on this thin client that I am on right now I get fairly good glxgears FPS not that that is an accurate measure but its good to know that 3d is there
14:09
<ogra>
but thats what intel would build if they'd have a thin client i guess :)
14:09
<whiprush>
yeah if I find any old PC's with intel cards I scoop them up because they can do the 3D very well
14:09
<ogra>
yeah
14:10
<gbolte>
all our clients run nvidia graphics
14:10
<ogra>
we just enabled it for fun in sevilla, nobody really belived it would be usable
14:10
<whiprush>
I am not surprised
14:10
it runs pretty well even on my i855GM
14:10
<ogra>
it was extremly impressing
14:11
<whiprush>
I just ordered a new thinkpad T61 with intel graphics.
14:11
very happy that they offer that now
14:11
<gbolte>
ogra, what distro are you running
14:11
<ogra>
gbolte, ubuntu indeed :)
14:11
<gbolte>
oh ok
14:12
<cliebow_>
heh
14:12
he is ubuntu..kinda
14:12
<gbolte>
oh
14:12
I see
14:12
alright well ttyl
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<sahil>
to build lbe on a 64bit system will i need to make a 32 bit chroot?
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<cliebow_>
sahil:maybe get the tarball??
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<vagrantc>
no
14:25
--arch i386
14:25
should work on amd64 systems
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<jammcq>
I've not heard of anybody successfully building the LBE on a 64-bit system
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<vagrantc>
oh, LBE ...
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<vagrantc>
sorry
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<fgiraldeau>
And so, who is planning to attend to UbuntuLive?
15:11
<jammcq>
O
15:11
I'll be there
15:11
<fgiraldeau>
hi Jim.
15:11
I just registered yesterday
15:11
<vagrantc>
i'll probably be in portland, if not at ubuntulive
15:11
<jammcq>
and I think sbalneav, ogra and vagrantc will be there
15:12
I'll actually be there for OSCON
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<fgiraldeau>
Ok, cool. Is there a formal meeting that is beeing organized?
15:12
Like a BoF?
15:12
<gloin>
here's a random one
15:13
anyone ever consider setting up ltspfs etc on freebsd?
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<jammcq>
does fuse work on freebsd?
15:13
<gloin>
that's question 1 to answer
15:13
<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: nothing formal yet, but we can certainly pick a date/time for something
15:13
<gloin>
my boss's boss is a freebsd advocate
15:14
jammcq: yes, fuse works on freebsd
15:14
<jammcq>
well then, ltspfs shouldn't be too hard
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<gloin>
which would be the only stopper from setting up a BSD box as an ltsp server then?
15:15
all irony aside
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<jammcq>
no clue. I'm not a freebsd guy
15:16
<gloin>
hmm
15:16* gloin will ponder this
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<vagrantc>
as the kFreeBSD debian port matures, i might play with using it with LTSP
15:23
but that's really just a FreeBSD kernel on a debian system
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<ghaleb>
hi all, I have the following problem
15:27
I installed AutoCad using wine on a ltsp server
15:27
but the problem appears after heavy working .
15:27
is there any solution ?
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<jammcq>
you didn't tell us WHAT problem appears
15:28
<ghaleb>
sorry
15:28
the server shuts the application for a client suddenly
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but there is enough memory
15:29
is it wise to install applications using wine ?
15:29
<vagrantc>
if they work, they work. if not, well ...
15:30
<ghaleb>
initially , all the clients can lunch the application normally
15:30
but the problem after 15 mins of working appears
15:31
<vagrantc>
that's more a wine issue than an LTSP one, i suspect
15:31
<ghaleb>
hmm.
15:32
practically, do u think the memory management is the reason
15:32
I mean, is it a memory issue ?
15:33
<vagrantc>
ask the wine developers
15:33
<ghaleb>
another question ..
15:33
I'm a student
15:34
and I have the graduation project next semester, I want to create a clustered LTSP application server .
15:34
do u have any ideas ?
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<vagrantc>
ghaleb: people have tried openmosix in the past... there's also openssi ... there's probably a few other routes to explore. but i don't know that any of them are decent yet
15:38
but maybe you can fix that :)
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<ogra>
well, that would require to make it accepted upstream ...
15:39
as long as linus doesnt allow it in te main branch its unlikely that distros put much work in
15:39
<dz0>
vagrantc: btw syslinux did the trick. THanks.
15:39
<vagrantc>
first thing to get something accepted is to demonstrate that it works well and doesn't break other things
15:40
dz0: good to hear :)
15:40
<ogra>
yeah
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<ogra>
wow, booting the classmate from a 7200 rpm USB HD is really quick
15:41
<fgiraldeau>
ghaleb: You may be interested about the presentation I did to NCLINUX last week
15:41
ghaleb: https://svn.revolutionlinux.com/MILLE/XTERM/trunk/Documentation/ltsp-cluster-nclinux-2007/ltsp-cluster-nclinux-2007.odp
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<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: hey, I just figured out who you are :)
15:43
<fgiraldeau>
jammcq: i forgive you :)
15:43
<jammcq>
heh
15:44
vagrantc: fgiraldeau works for RevolutionLinux and he wants to help
15:44
<fgiraldeau>
You're right, IRC is the right place to meet with others LTSP folks
15:44
<vagrantc>
jammcq: wellllll... you know how strict we are about getting help.
15:45* vagrantc smiles
15:45
<jammcq>
I met him in minneapolis last week, and he's pretty sharp
15:45
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: so you've done some ltsp server clustering, eh?
15:46
<fgiraldeau>
I you want to build a cluster for the unused computing power of your terminals, then OpenMosix "may" be a way to do it.
15:46
But if you want to build a cluster of application servers to aggregate computing power for desktop application of users
15:46
you must use something else.
15:47
<vagrantc>
yeah, i'm not real savvy on the options...
15:48
<fgiraldeau>
You have at least two choices : LVS or session loadbalancing.
15:49
The last one is realy simple : all that you have to do is to "choose" the application server.
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<vagrantc>
right
15:49
and share home directories across servers and such
15:50
but that's all relatively easy
15:50
<fgiraldeau>
Should it be difficult?
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15:52* vagrantc doesn't really understand the question
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<fgiraldeau>
The thing that is most difficult to handle is the integration with the current infrastructure
15:56
Clustering is not integrated out of the box for LTSP.
15:56
Not yet
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<fgiraldeau>
ghaleb: So, you want to make a project on LTSP clustering? What are you studying?
15:57
<vagrantc>
well, load-balancing shouldn't be hard to add.
15:57
<fgiraldeau>
I think so.
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<sbalneav>
Afternoon all
15:57
<vagrantc>
evening sbalneav
15:57
<fgiraldeau>
hi
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<fgiraldeau>
There is the loadbalancing, and also some other issues...
16:00
For example, with printing : you have a central cluster, then users have to figure which printer to use
16:01
Printer list must be filtered in some ways
16:01
<sbalneav>
Sorry, I'm coming into the middle of this, you're wanting to filter printer lists?
16:01
<fgiraldeau>
Configuration management of terminals with one lts.conf file is not pretty with you have, says 1500 terminals.
16:02
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: talking about clutering/load balancing ltsp servers
16:02
<sbalneav>
ah
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<fgiraldeau>
There are some component we could integrate from mille-xterm to LTSP : configurator, load balancer, libhideprinters, pxeconfig...
16:06
shure
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<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: I hope dinner was ok for you last friday
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<jammcq>
heh, guess not
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<jammcq>
ah, he's back
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<fgiraldeau>
shure jim, it was realy cool
16:08* jammcq was still full on saturday
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<fgiraldeau>
We went to a brezilian steakhouse
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I ate too much, it was sooo good.
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It was a realy good idea
16:11
The next day, I went to the exposition of Picasso and American Art.
16:11
At the Walker Art Center.
16:11
That was fascinating
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<fgiraldeau>
See you later, I'm will eat a bit
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<gloin>
OK, next random question: has anyone here ever tried running the NFS traffic for an LTSP box through a WAFS device?
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<Gad1>
ogra: ping
17:01
sbalneav: you here?
17:02* Q-FUNK is
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: (00:58:31) Gad1: ogra: ping
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<ogra>
well, that timestamp doesnt help much (00:14 here :) ) but thanks
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<sbalneav>
ogra: hey, still around?
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gadi: in and out
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<ogra>
sbalneav, on my way to bed, whats up ? found something ?
17:34
<sbalneav>
No, not yet, but I'm pretty conviced it has something to do with X and pty handling.
17:35
Anyone in #ubuntu-devel who's brains I might be able to pick?
17:35
<ogra>
you dont run the bash --login -c
17:35
did you try adding it ?
17:35
also env is missing from the command
17:36
<sbalneav>
Which, on the start if the X session?
17:36
<ogra>
yeah
17:36
<sbalneav>
or on the login for the ssh for passwd negotiation?
17:36
OK, I can try adding that, see if it makes a difference.
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<ogra>
no the X session
17:36
check ldm1 code
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<sbalneav>
k, will do.
17:37
There should be an env, I'm using execv, which inherits the env from the parent.
17:37
<ogra>
probably handing over the environent already suffices
17:37
ah, k
17:38
well, mdz had an execvp in th eold code and additionally added env to the client session, he might have had a reason :)
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<sbalneav>
I'll take a look
17:39
<ogra>
in any case clling bash in advance should give is a pty
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<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "ssh command" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/190
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<sbalneav>
yeah, he manually passes an env. Maybe the bash is the bit to look at. I'll give it a go.
17:41
thx
17:41
<ogra>
we should also consider getting the kill -1 $PPID back to make sure there are no hanging processes left
17:41
but thats stuff for later :)
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<sbalneav>
other than that, how do you like where it's going?
17:41
<ogra>
i *LOVE* it :)
17:42
<sbalneav>
Perfect.
17:42
<ogra>
we'll rock the world *again* with this release :)
17:42
<sbalneav>
I'd love to get the KB thing fixed today.
17:42
It would make my best birthday present ever. :)
17:42
<ogra>
i thnk every time it cant get better ....
17:42* sbalneav is 39 today :)
17:42
<ogra>
MAN !
17:42
HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!
17:42
<sbalneav>
Thankee
17:42
<ogra>
how could i miss that
17:43
<sbalneav>
Did you look at the rc.d stuff? I'm VERY pleased with that :)
17:44
Hey, what's moquists and trasks tool called again?
17:44
There's a guy in Edubuntu who needs it.
17:44
<ogra>
wow, thats sexy
17:45
<jammcq>
woooo hoooooooooooo
17:45
<ogra>
where does ldm-script go ?
17:45
<sbalneav>
/usr/share/ldm
17:45
<jammcq>
39 and holding
17:45
<sbalneav>
until we can think of a better place
17:46
<Q-FUNK>
happy birthday, sbalneav!
17:46
<ogra>
on the client, right ?
17:46
<sbalneav>
yeah
17:46
<ogra>
PERFECT !
17:46* ogra humps scotts leg
17:46* jammcq remembers what we were doing last year on June 18th
17:46
<ogra>
thats sooo beautiful !
17:46
<sbalneav>
3 lines of shell replaces the entire delayed-mounter ick
17:47
<ogra>
sbalneav, i was thinking about Pre-Postsession.d dirs
17:47
so we can add something similar for the sound settings
17:47
for the screensaver
17:47
or for power management
17:47
without having to poke around on the server side
17:48
<sbalneav>
yeah
17:48
cool, eh?
17:48
<ogra>
yeah
17:48
jammcq and vagrantc didnt like it when i tried to convince them :)
17:49
<jammcq>
didn't like what?
17:49
<ogra>
they wanted a server side daemon
17:49
jammcq, doing *everything* a client needs from the client side
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<sbalneav>
brb, gotta get dinner on the boil
17:49* jammcq vaguely remembers a discussion
17:49
<ogra>
without tweaks to /etc/X11/Xsession.d or server side daemons
17:50
<sbalneav>
be on a bit later
17:50* ogra wil be in bed then ...
17:50
<ogra>
enjoy your b-day :)
17:51
<john_s>
Hello all, I have a winbind/LDAP question I am struggling with
17:51
does anyone feel guru-ish?
17:51
<jammcq>
definately not me
17:51* jammcq knows zero about that stuff
17:51
<john_s>
;-)
17:51
<ogra>
i guess cliebow dtrask or moquist are your best hope
17:52
<john_s>
ok, I emailed dtrask
17:52
<jammcq>
expect dtrask to be VERY busy this week
17:52
he's doing the foss conference in maine
17:52
<john_s>
ok, is he doing his conference?
17:52
<ogra>
http://majen.net/smbldap/
17:52
<john_s>
Yah
17:52
<ogra>
try that ^^
17:52
<john_s>
I wish I could go
17:53
Well I looked at that, but I don't think it does what I want
17:53
I think I am looking for a winbind user migration tool
17:53
rather than set up a pdc type of tool
17:53
<ogra>
ah, k
17:54
<cliebow>
john_s:not sure what yer up to
17:54
<john_s>
Hi
17:54* ogra didnt touch windows this century yet
17:54
<john_s>
:-)
17:54
I am trying to scale my ltsp setup
17:54
I want two boxen to share auth
17:54
and I think i want to use ldap
17:54
<cliebow>
Ho!\
17:54
<john_s>
i have my machine joined to the domain
17:55
and users show up doing getent etc
17:55
infact its been working fine for several months
17:55
but now i wanna do more
17:55
<cliebow>
getent > to a file
17:55
<john_s>
ok
17:55
<cliebow>
then perl hang a sec
17:56
<john_s>
hanging
17:56
..
17:56
<cliebow>
dau ojn the phone
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<john_s>
cliebow: I'll have to talk to you another day since I have to leave work soon.
18:05
I look forward to picking your brain about this.
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<cliebow>
k
18:06
got my em,ail?
18:06
<john_s>
no
18:06
did you just send it
18:06
?
18:06
<cliebow>
cliebow at ellsworthschools.og
18:06
<john_s>
ok
18:06
Thanks
18:07
<cliebow>
8~)
18:07
<john_s>
I'll be bugging you!
18:07
:-)
18:07
<cliebow>
8~)
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<john_s>
Ok, I just sent you an email. I look forward to reading your wisdom!
18:10
bye
18:10
<cliebow>
uu
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<gloin>
hmm, definitely looks like network bottlenecking here
18:53
I can strace an app, and watch it wait while it opens all the files needed to execute the command
18:53
long waits
18:53
wonder why it's hanging up so badly
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