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Channel log from 7 December 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<johnny>
so.. that was easy enough :)
00:00
synced it all in like half an hour..
00:00
altho it could probably be simpler than what i did
00:01
i'd suggest running ltsp-build-client like this
00:02
ltsp-build-client --quickstart-debug --quickstart-verbose
00:02
i should probably make verbose the default..
00:02
and the default behaviour for --arch is to to 32bitize whatever arch
00:02
so amd64 will build x86 clients
00:03
if you want amd64 clients.. you must specify
00:03
<alex_21>
Hey, I have a Netvista 2200 that I want to bring up under ltsp. I want to upgrade it using an lstp server. How do you do this? Google brings up really nothing useful
00:03
<johnny>
upgrade it?
00:03
<alex_21>
Upgrade the firmware so it can boot Linux stuff
00:04
<johnny>
sorry.. no idea
00:04
if it can't pxe boot.. it sounds useless
00:04
anything that can pxe boot, will boot ltsp
00:04
you sure it can't already do pxe?
00:05
<alex_21>
It has no pxe, rather uses tftp and/or nfs
00:07
<kc8pxy>
alex_21: can it be forced to pxe?
00:08
<johnny>
it must have pxe to use tftp
00:08
or some other boot thing
00:08
to even talk to tftp
00:08
it has to have a way to get to tftp obviously..
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<johnny>
alex_21, you sure it doesn't already work? :)
00:10
if it doesn't.. i have no idea
00:10
everything i have.. does pxe..
00:14
<alex_21>
bootp and tftp is what it has
00:14
BootP and TFTP
00:17
<johnny>
we provide the linux image over tftp
00:17
ltsp relies on tftp already
00:18
<maicod>
johnny: warren is probably asleep indeed so i'm bailing out. i'll ask tomorrow or so
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00:34
<alex_21>
Hi, this is the link I am following'
00:34
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NetVistaN2200
00:36
<johnny>
it is saying that it boots as any other thin client
00:36
so.. it must support pxe or etherboot
00:36
so your'e barking up the wrong tree
00:36
<alex_21>
Jonny, it says that a few modifications must be made
00:36
<johnny>
sure.. to the kernel
00:36
<alex_21>
Like the Kernal and such
00:37
<johnny>
but it still pxe/etherboots
00:37
<alex_21>
And the module pack
00:37
<johnny>
it all looks pretty standard
00:37
yeah
00:37
but sure.. everything else is as normal
00:37
standard ltsp.. just some overrides
00:37
<alex_21>
I don't know why I can't get it to boot then
00:37
<johnny>
well you have yet to produce any error messages or anything.. or describe where it stops
00:37
<alex_21>
Hmmmmm
00:38
<johnny>
that guy perhaps does not know what is doing
00:38
there are other ways to make it use nfs instead of nbd
00:38
<alex_21>
Joney, It fails saying "failed to boot after three attmempts"
00:38
<johnny>
need more info than that..
00:38
where does it die before that?
00:39
i'd suggest plugging some other pc
00:39
and seeing if that will boot
00:39
<alex_21>
That is all that shows up on the screen
00:39
<johnny>
to make sure that it isn't another problem
00:39
<alex_21>
No, I have used LTSP for a while and every other pc works fine
00:39
<johnny>
ok good to know
00:40
well i guess you'll have to wait for somebody who has experience
00:40
try back after the weekend
00:40
it is late for all the normal folks who are involved
00:40
<alex_21>
It is the netVistas that don't, neither one of them
00:40
<johnny>
or you can post to ltsp-discuss
00:40
<alex_21>
How do I post to them?
00:41
<johnny>
subscribe to them
00:41
<alex_21>
I mean, won't I need to subscribe?
00:41
<johnny>
i'm not sure where it is
00:41
i'm sure a search engine can tell you
00:42
<alex_21>
Oh, Ok
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<alex_21>
I will try after the weekend
00:43
Or install OpenSuse on the thing, which works no problem
00:43
Thanks
00:43
Good night. Bani bash
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02:39
<kc8pxy>
johnny: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf' in /etc/make.conf
02:39
trying to build the kernel
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09:08
<vagrantc>
asmo koskinen had quite the conversation on ltsp-discuss yesterday :)
09:10
<warren>
I still will not join that list.
09:11
<rjune_>
why not?
09:14
<warren>
If is is important, it will bubble up to the devel list? Or bugs will be filed?
09:14
I have WAY too many lists right now.
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09:35
<petre>
warren, are we meeting today? Anything to discuss?
09:36
<warren>
petre: not really
09:36
petre: I'm thinking to just rename rc1 to final and not put any more work into it. F9 has barely half a year left.
09:36
petre: time to do a F10 K12Linux media
09:37
<petre>
ok
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09:38
<warren>
I'll redo the kickstart scripts for F10
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09:40
<petre>
are kickstart scripts used for the liveusb version?
09:40
I think of kickstart as being for installation
09:41
<warren>
kickstart files define how to install
09:42
in the case of livecd tools, kickstart files define how to install into the image
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10:09
<russell_nash>
hi, anybody available to give me some advice, please?
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10:16
<russell_nash>
My ltsp client has a blank screen with a mouse pointer after logging in, I get the following in the client's .xsession-errors file SESSION_MANAGER=local/mark-desktop:/tmp/.ICE-unix/27752
10:16
** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-Nxxqq27723/agent.27723
10:16
Xsession: X session started for test at Tue Nov 25 15:57:43 GMT 2008
10:16
Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US.
10:16
Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.
10:16
SESSION_MANAGER=local/mark-desktop:/tmp/.ICE-unix/28168
10:16
** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-thaVH28139/agent.28139
10:16
x-session-manager: Fatal IO error 2 (No such file or directory) on X server localhost:11.0.
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gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server localhost:11.0.
10:30
<vagrantc>
!release
10:30
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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11:12
<johnny>
kc8pxy, hmm.. it should have bind mounted /usr/local/portage/layman
11:12
have you done anything since?
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12:28
<Gadi>
hi guys
12:29
vagrantc, warren, stgraber: not sure if you are here, but
12:29
I have been working on some screen-session directory scripts and structure
12:29
see: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ltsp-trunk-screensessiond
12:29
right now it is untested
12:30
but is meant to give you some ideas of what I am trying to do
12:30
unfortunately, I have to run
12:30
but, I will try to get on later.
12:30
cheers
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12:31* vagrantc wonders if it's based on the work stgraber did
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12:52
<johnny>
you're doing a good job so far
12:52
<vagrantc>
how's that?
12:53
i've spent the last 2-3 hours trying to do something that is obviously trivial
12:53
<johnny>
obviously not :)
12:53
hehe
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13:10
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "borked ldm session and language hack" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/134
13:10
<vagrantc>
thoughts, anyone?
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<vagrantc>
i *think* curr_host->sessions is a GList ...
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<vagrantc>
ooooh. segfault. :)
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: just layman -S
13:26
<johnny>
what version of layman do you have on the server?
13:26
i'm wondering if i didn't do the version spec right
13:27
where are you layman repositories located?
13:28
in recent version they got moved to /usr/local/portage/layman
13:29
<kc8pxy>
johnny: 1.1.1 before i went back and uDN world. then i brought in 1.2.1
13:30
<johnny>
on the server?
13:30
hmm.. so where are your server layman repositories now?
13:31
<kc8pxy>
usr/portage/local/layman
13:32
<johnny>
in 1.2.1.. they should be /usr/local/portage/layman
13:32
perhaps you didn't update the config file?
13:35
<kc8pxy>
which config file?
13:35
/usr/local/portage/layman/ exists, and has junk in it
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13:36
<johnny>
but did it exist before..
13:36
/etc/layman/layman.cfg
13:36
check it out
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<kc8pxy>
storage says the new location
13:42
how do i get it to move the layman repo?
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<johnny>
i'd say delete all the old
13:43
and re add
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and make sure portage has the right source statement
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13:57
<ChrisWW>
Can anyone help me with a small problem? Running LTSP on Ubuntu 8.10 (on VMs). The Thin Client gets so far, then disconnects.
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14:00
<ChrisWW>
Anyone?
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<johnny>
ChrisWW, provide more info..
14:06
<ChrisWW>
OK, it seems to be loading the init image ok, I get the Ubuntu loader graphic and then it hangs. Message on the TC is "Setting up LTSP client...", followed by "Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, dome"
14:07
Syslog states: connect from 192.168.0.20, assigned file is opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
14:07
Syslog states: Size of exported file.device is 160182272
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Syslog states: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
14:08
<johnny>
hmm.. sound like nbd..
14:08
<ChrisWW>
That's it. I'm guessing it might have something to do with nfs
14:08
I've added /opt/ltsp to /etc/exports
14:08
<johnny>
if you want to use nfs instead of nbd
14:09
you'd have to edit /etc/default/ltsp-client or whatever it is called
14:09
and change it to bind_mounts
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and then run initramfs-update -u
14:09
something like that
14:09
<ChrisWW>
And if I stick with nbd?
14:09
<johnny>
there are instructions on the ubunt uwiki
14:09
well nbd is faster
14:09
so it is recommended
14:10
hmm.. so logs on the server.. i wonder what they say
14:10
<ChrisWW>
Can't see a log relating to nbd. Any idea what it might be under?
14:12
<johnny>
just in /var/log/messages
14:12
if it logs at all
14:12
<ChrisWW>
Just checking now...
14:15
Well there's enough LTSP kernel messages in there to sink a battleship, nothing relating to nbd
14:16
A search for "fail" only returned 3 pulseaudio messages
14:17
The last entry is an audit message, apparently relating to cups
14:17
<johnny>
yeah.. the app armor stuff probably
14:17
but definitely not related
14:18
<ChrisWW>
I should point out I followed the Ubuntu quickinstall guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<ChrisWW>
Haven't changed any IP addresses or anything
14:19
<johnny>
hmm.. it sounds like the connection dropped out from under it..
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14:20
<Gadi>
hey, all
14:20
<johnny>
try a nother computer ?
14:20
<Gadi>
ChrisWW: if you are debugging why a client disconnects, try disabling the bootsplash
14:20
delete "splash" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
14:21
it could be a wonky network driver
14:21
<ChrisWW>
Could it just be down to the fact that I'm trying it out in Virtualbox? I'll try disabling bootsplash and see what I get.
14:21
<Gadi>
but, you'll get more error info
14:22
oh, and in virtual box, try stopping the client entirely and "cold booting" it
14:22
rather than reset
14:22
I have had weird issues with Intrepid and virtualbox like that
14:23
<ChrisWW>
OK, disabled splash. About to fire up TC from a cold start...
14:23
<Gadi>
vagrantc: yes, it is based off of stgraber's stuff - stgraber and I had talked about a setup that would allow for easy drop in hacks
14:25
<rjune_>
!g
14:25
<ltspbot`>
rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:25
<johnny>
if so where does the ltsp-cluster stuff go.
14:25
<Gadi>
hey, rjune
14:25
johnny: ltsp-cluster (on the client) goes away
14:25
<johnny>
goes away when?
14:25
<Gadi>
its being integrated into upstream
14:25
<johnny>
aha
14:26
even the inventory and getlscfg version?
14:26
<Gadi>
yeah - basically, it will be triggered by the presence of a file in /etc
14:26
I forget which atm
14:26
no file, and everything is as normal
14:26
stgraber had some non-cluster hacks in his ltsp-cluster
14:27
to fix xorg issues and such
14:27
with our new infrastructure, we can accommodate all of that
14:27
and a bag of chips
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:)
14:27
<johnny>
maybe i'll just ignore it then
14:27
<Gadi>
hehe
14:27
thats the spirit!
14:27
<johnny>
i've updated my ebuilds to trunk as of yesterday
14:28
<Gadi>
I saw
14:28
<ChrisWW>
OK, got a bit more out of the TC this time: "nbd0: Receive control failed (result -32). Kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting. Negotiation: ..size= 156428KB. Error: Ioctl/1.1a failed: Bad file descriptor".
14:28
<Gadi>
its good
14:28
<johnny>
i tested ubuntu with ldm on SCREEN_01 .. and it works
14:29
<Gadi>
yeah - Ive been using it like that for years (tho on gutsy)
14:29
:)
14:29* Gadi hates SCREEN_07
14:29
<johnny>
sadly.. debian and gentoo (and who knows what else) still relies on /etc/inittab with a terminal spawned there
14:29
<Gadi>
ChrisWW: I have had similar errors with vbox, but it keep reconnecting and eventually goes
14:29
<johnny>
so.. i'm gonna try to get that solved
14:30
<Gadi>
ChrisWW: I have heard rumor of a magic kernel param to send to the client or some such
14:30
<johnny>
on the gentoo side
14:30
<Gadi>
but I dont know what it is
14:30
<ChrisWW>
Hmm. OK. Maybe I need a witchdoctor ;)
14:30
<johnny>
so perhaps we'll have to make a restriction just for debian
14:30
<Gadi>
johnny: Ubuntu runs a getty on tty1 by default, too
14:30
from upstart
14:30
<johnny>
oh
14:30
<Gadi>
I delete it
14:30
<johnny>
hmm.. i didn't remove anything
14:30
and it still worked
14:30
<Gadi>
in: /etc/event.d/tty1
14:30
ah, then you have arace condition
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:)
14:31
<johnny>
thanks Gadi
14:31
good to know
14:31
<Gadi>
Ubuntu has a plugin to ltsp-build-client that removes all getty's but tty1
14:31
otherwise there would be 6!
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:)
14:31
dunno why debian cannot do the same
14:31
and just sed inittab as a plugin
14:32
<johnny>
i'm find with 6 :)
14:32
just not on 1 :)
14:32
<Gadi>
if you ask me, it was a lack of respect to LTSP4 that made everything move to tty7
14:32
I don't buy this tty1=console argument
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:)
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<johnny>
i think it was the fact that vt7 has been default for X for years
14:33
<ChrisWW>
OK, I think I'm going to put this down to Voodoo on the part of VirtualBox. I'll try VB 2.06, but I guess I'll have to move straight on to physical hardware for my tech-demo.
14:33
<johnny>
not at all related to ltsp
14:33
it was just to keep in time with the norms
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of a standard dist
14:33
<Gadi>
johnny: vt1 has been the default for LTSP for years, too
14:33
:)
14:33
<ChrisWW>
Thank you johnny and Gadi. You help is very much appreciated. :)
14:33
<Gadi>
ChrisWW: np
14:33
<johnny>
just not the default for a standard nix desktop Gadi
14:33
<Gadi>
try asking the ubuntu guys for the magic words
14:33
<johnny>
ltsp4 was it's own distro.. so it could do that
14:33
<Gadi>
er, kernel params
14:34
and if you find it lemme know
14:34
<johnny>
and make such a local modification
14:34
<Gadi>
:)
14:34
<johnny>
with ltsp5.. it went in line with the rest of the world
14:34
and now we're at the case where the rest of the world is moving to vt1 :)
14:34
due to kms stuff
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hehe
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<Gadi>
johnny: well... we are still at liberty to make a thin client function as we please
14:35
:)
14:35
bwahahaha
14:35
<ChrisWW>
Will do, Gadi. hopefully talk to you guys again soon.
14:35
<johnny>
sure.. but we've tried to make as few modificatiosn to the default os install as possible
14:35
the ubuntu install is very little modified from the default install as i can tell
14:36* Gadi looks around for ubuntu's getty's on tty2-tty6
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<Gadi>
;)
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<alkisg>
ChrisWW: I didn't see the whole conversation, but lts.conf doesn't get transfered to the chroot if you use Virtualbox
14:36
(don't know if this has anything to do with your problem)
14:36
<Gadi>
alkisg: since when?
14:36
<alkisg>
Gadi, since always, vbox tftp support is broken
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<ChrisWW>
Ah ha!
14:37
<Gadi>
alkisg: not for me
14:37
<alkisg>
You have to put lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot and use binary mode to transfer it
14:37
Gadi, sorry, over NAT
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<Gadi>
I must have the magic version
14:37
:)
14:37
<alkisg>
Works with internal networking
14:37
<Gadi>
oh
14:37
hmm
14:38
<ChrisWW>
Hmm, I'm using internal networking, not NAT. Mind you, could be a 2.04 thing. Just downloading 2.06 now...
14:38
<Gadi>
I thought binary is the default
14:38
<alkisg>
Gadi, no, in ltsp_nbd netascii is used (which is the default)
14:38
<Gadi>
well, we could set binary in the initramfs easily enough
14:38
does it break in real life over NAT?
14:39
<johnny>
alkisg, are you using dnsmasq?
14:39
afaik that issue was related to dnsmasq
14:39
not related to vbox at all..
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<alkisg>
Johnny: with vbox/nat networking, the internal dhcp server is used
14:39
<johnny>
sure.. but not tftp..
14:39
which is what i thought mattered
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<alkisg>
johnny: dnsmasq solved this in 2.42 (or 0.42, don't remember the first digit of the version), vbox hasn't solved it yet
14:40
johnny: tftp server too
14:40
Gadi, dhcp over nat? I think it requires a dhcp proxy
14:40
<johnny>
sure.. but i'm confused how the dhcp server would affect the transfer mode of the file
14:40
<alkisg>
Gadi: but I've never done that, I don't know...
14:40
<Gadi>
alkisg: it does - it requires ip-helper
14:40
which works for me
14:41
but, I may actually set binary tftp in my ltsp_nbd
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<johnny>
which is not at all related to tftp..
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<alkisg>
johnny: the vbox dhcp server doesn't support the netascii transfer mode
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<Gadi>
hmm...
14:41
<alkisg>
So if one tries to "get lts.conf", it fails.
14:41
<johnny>
huh? dhcp server?
14:41
why would a dhcp server support a transfer mode?
14:41
<alkisg>
johnny: sorry, tftp
14:41
<Gadi>
alkisg: u mean the tftp server
14:41
<alkisg>
But "bin" and then "get lts.conf" succeeds
14:41
<johnny>
vbox doesn' thave a tftp server
14:41
<alkisg>
johnny: sure it does
14:42
You even have to make a .Virtualbox/TFTP subdirectory
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<johnny>
oh
14:42
i always ran it with host interface
14:42
with tun/tap devices
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and used my external tftp server
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<alkisg>
johnny: I did that too, but in my laptop I use NAT, it makes it easier for networkmanager...
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<ChrisWW>
find
14:48
So, where is the lts.conf file stored?
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<OculusAquilae>
hi
14:51
<ChrisWW>
Ah, found it. Not to worry.
14:52
<OculusAquilae>
I'm using ltsp on a ubuntu server with LDAP authentification. Logging in via LDAP works on the server but not on one of the thin clients. I don't come beyond "checking password".
14:56
<vagrantc>
Gadi: overall, i like the idea of the screen-session.d scripts ... though i would use more of the full range of numbers ... i.e. not just 00, 01, 98 and 99 ...
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: doesn't leave room to slip other stuff in
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, 96-, 961-, 97-. :)
14:59
(at least in shell ordering)
15:00* vagrantc wonders what's so wrong with using 03-97
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<jhutchins>
I can't seem to get my ltsp client to mount local devices.
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
15:01
<vagrantc>
jhutchins: ^^
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<jhutchins>
It sees them. I can mount them to the local machine from the console, but that doesn't do any good. All of the troubleshooting steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev are ok, except the ltsp udev rule. Debian etchandahalf w/LTSP5
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<vagrantc>
jhutchins: what's "local machine" ?
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<jhutchins>
the client
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root console (not xterm)
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<vagrantc>
yeah, got it.
15:04
jhutchins: are the client's booting etchnhalf kernels?
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<jhutchins>
hm. client is running 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Thu Oct 9 15:23:10 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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<vagrantc>
jhutchins: and are you saying the step that isn't working is: "Step 3: Did the ltsp udev rules fire?"
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<jhutchins>
Is that etch.5?
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<vagrantc>
jhutchins: that's the original etch kernel.
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jhutchins: i've never tested etchnhalf kernels with ltsp.
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<jhutchins>
They don't appear to be part of the current packaging.
15:07
<vagrantc>
!debver
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "debver" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!vers
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "vers" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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<vagrantc>
jhutchins: could you run that ^^ and paste to the pastebot?
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<jhutchins>
server or client?
15:08
<vagrantc>
jhutchins: run the whole command on the server.
15:08
jhutchins: please cut and paste.
15:10
<jhutchins>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
jhutchins: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"jhutchins" pasted "LTSP summary" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/135
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<vagrantc>
jhutchins: so, again, which step is failing? "Step 3: Did the ltsp udev rules fire?" ??
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<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "ltsp !ver with aligned output" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/136
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<alkisg>
(I'm just trying to learn awk...)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i only do it that way because the ltspbot was interpreting some special characters
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<vagrantc>
don't remember what exactly
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, #ltsp needs a better bot! :) It can't even "inform someone about something"...
15:45
So we have to use ^^^^ all the time! :)
15:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, that would be nice.
15:47
overall, though, i don't think it's so bad. except i can never remember !ver
15:47
<alkisg>
Heh!... I'm looking at a python bot, http://inamidst.com/phenny/ - looks nice...
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<vagrantc>
i think ltspbot` is a supybot
15:49
!version
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
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<EAG>
hmm what would you say is minimum specs for a thinclient to stream video and audio without problems?
16:41
<johnny>
network is mostly the issue
16:41
unless you're running applications locally
16:46
<EAG>
ok
16:46
hmm
16:47
I am not playing around with ltsp at the moment, but it is a thinclient (fujitsu-siemens FUTRO S500) with nxclient
16:47
it cant handle video somehow...
16:47
:(
16:48
maybe it has to do with ssh then
16:50
the FUTRO-thin client doesnt boot my ubuntu-image for some reason if I try the pxe-boot
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<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this?
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<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this?
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19:59
<maicod>
warren: are you here?
19:59
ivazquez said I needed to ask you about nfs things
20:00
<warren>
maicod: what OS?
20:00
<maicod>
warren: fedora
20:00
<warren>
maicod: NFS hangs during client boot
20:00
?
20:00
maicod: which fedora?
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<maicod>
10
20:00
I am planning this:
20:00
install fedora on a hdd on my thin client
20:01
then move it to my linux server
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and let it boot with pxe
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I got pxe setup on the server
20:01
tftboot directory etc.
20:01
it works with another nfs system
20:01
<warren>
why install on the hdd of the thin client?
20:01
<maicod>
eh to make it easier to install ?
20:01
<warren>
how is that easier?
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<maicod>
or can I install directly ?
20:02
ehm dunno im not THAT handy :)
20:02
with linux im a bit handy but not very yet
20:02
<warren>
Normally you install into a chroot on the server with the tool we provide that is one-step easy
20:02
It seems that you are not following directions.
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<maicod>
okay what I got now is this:
20:02
clients dir with a p4 dir in which the file system is from another nfs installation
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<warren>
If you want to do something contrary to the directions, you are wasting my time. You might be able to get advice from the mailing list.
20:03
<maicod>
warren: I am not ignoring you. who said I was ?
20:03
<warren>
You are missing the point entirely.
20:03
<maicod>
please why get so annoyed. I didn't wanna annoy you at all man !
20:03
<warren>
What stops you from installing the chroot on the server in the normal documented way, then moving that chroot to another server to boot as NFS?
20:03
<maicod>
why so ehm defensive ?
20:03
<warren>
Because you are missing the point.
20:04
<maicod>
I was just trying to ask things
20:04
can't I ?
20:04
just trying to explain what I got now
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<warren>
Then look at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to re-point to a different NFS server and mount directory for the nfs root dir.
20:04
<maicod>
to make my situatiionclearer
20:04
<warren>
I'm telling you that you are missing the point and I don't have time to deal with your bad idea.
20:04
<maicod>
im not following that idea
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<warren>
Have you got it running in the normal way first? It might be more understandable how to do it in a non-standard way thereafter.
20:05
<maicod>
I havent' installed fedora yet on that clients hdd so if u help me I will use the method you said
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<warren>
You can literally get it running in the normal way in 10-15 minutes WITHING EVEN INSTALLING ANYTHING
20:05
Why is client's HDD inportant?
20:05
important?
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<maicod>
not
20:06
thought u meant to ask if I HAD installed it
20:06
u meant over nfs right ?
20:06
u said default way so I figured u meant on a local hdd
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sorry maybe you have to few time to get me 'feeling easy' about how to proceed
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ivazquez was very helpful and patient and he recommend i'd ask your help for nfs things
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<warren>
sigh
20:07
maicod: you are missing the point of LTSP entirely.
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<maicod>
im not using ltsp yet
20:08
<warren>
maicod: please follow the directions and try it in the standard way first, then ask questions.
20:08
<maicod>
I got an older variant
20:08
<warren>
http://k12linux.org
20:08
<maicod>
okay
20:08
thanks warren
20:08
<warren>
download the latest ISO, install it onto a 2GB USB stick using the instructions or burn onto a DVD
20:08
Follow the directions.
20:08
This is NOT the client's installer, this is the server.
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<maicod>
oh but someone said I should find you and you were on #ltsp
20:09
I didnt come here for ltsp
20:09
see ?
20:09
<warren>
That does not matter.
20:09
<maicod>
more for a client setup
20:09
okay
20:09
<warren>
See how it works
20:09
<maicod>
the thin client won't boot from usb
20:09
<warren>
You can demo both and server and client from Live boot without installing anything at all
20:09
<maicod>
and I got no dvd-rom
20:10
will I be able to use the cd isos ?
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<warren>
You are not listening
20:10
This boots the SERVER, not client
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<maicod>
oh
20:10
I understand
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<warren>
The server serves PXE, tftp and nfs root
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entirely from the live media
20:10
<maicod>
I see !!
20:10
now I get it
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<warren>
Figure out how THAT works before you proceed on your thing
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<maicod>
okay
20:11
but i run redhat 6.2 on the server which is gonna serve the filesystem for the thin client so I think it needs an older approach then ltsp
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<warren>
you are in dire condition if you still use redhat 6.2
20:12
why 6.2?
20:12
that isn't safe at all anymore.
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<maicod>
sure I;ve been told that a zillion times
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<warren>
because it is TRUE
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<maicod>
okay I believe it
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<warren>
but well, the nfs server needed to serve the thin client is only nfsv3 readonly with no locking, so redhat 6.2 might be able to handle that... theoretically
20:13
but nobody will help you
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<maicod>
it works !
20:13
it server my P4
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serves
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<warren>
Why is it 6.2?
20:13
and why is it important to stick with it?
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<maicod>
its an old Pentium1
20:13
cause I would need to setup everything again on the newer linyx
20:13
linux
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<warren>
Pentium1 is barely powerful enough to be a LTSP client these days
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<maicod>
I am not very good in seting up things
20:14
<warren>
in fact, Pentium1 is likely not good enough at all for a LTSP client
20:14
<maicod>
I got help years ago with the redhat 6.2
20:14
<warren>
you need at least 128MB RAM
20:14
<maicod>
but why would it be ltsp ?
20:14
I mean is ltsp a newer version of pxe ?
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<warren>
I'm sorry, you are not listening again.
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<maicod>
tftp
20:14
okay sorry im confused
20:14
let me go try things myself then
20:15
thanks for your time!
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<warren>
I need to get important work done that benefits thousands globally. You have demonstrated that you are trying to do something 1) foolish 2) effects only you.
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I told you exactly what to do.
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good luck
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<maicod>
thanks warren !
20:15
I appreciate it
20:15
I mean that honestly. go do your work :)
20:15* warren supposes he could deal with these situations in a more diplomatic way.
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<maicod>
I see your not unkind just a bit too important for more persons at once then for only me
20:16
you're a developer for fedora ?
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<rjune_>
warren: wow, you have a way with people
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<warren>
rjune_: how else am I supposed to deal with people who don't follow directions and do not listen?
20:20
<rjune_>
oh, that's exactly right
20:22
<warren>
"I need your help to put square wheels on my cart. No I didn't read your instructions of how a car works. Oh btw, I don't have a cart."
20:24
<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this?
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<warren>
alex_21: LTSP typically boots diskless clients, it doesn't "upgrade" a client
20:27
alex_21: you could concievably bypass onboard disks and just use the net booted client operating systems, assuming the client hardware can handle the more modern linux client OS.
20:27
now how to boot your clients in that way I don't know
20:27
every client is different
20:32
<alex_21>
Well, it needs a firmware upgrade over nfs/tftp with bootP
20:33
To be able to handle Linux OS s
20:33
<warren>
I might be more productive offline.
20:45* Ryan52 commits his horrible attempt at writing a little bit of python code
20:46
<warren>
Ryan52: how well tested is that patch?
20:47
Ryan52: will older versions of ldm work with the new ldminfod and vice versa?
20:47
<Ryan52>
yes. all combinations will work fine.
20:47
<warren>
good
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<warren>
petre: pyserial and hplip are needed for jetpipe to work at all
20:53
?
20:54
petre: (not localapps printing to jetpipe case?)
20:54
<petre>
warren, pyserial is
20:54
<warren>
ok
20:54
<petre>
hplip is probably just needed for the printer I had
20:54
by pyserial is needed on the client side
20:54
hplip would be needed server side
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<warren>
on the LTSP server?
20:55
<petre>
hplip is drivers for hp printers, in a single package/management tool
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jetpipe is print server daemon, basically
20:56
yes, on the LTSP server
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<warren>
Ryan52: I'd like to tag tomorrow for a new release.
20:56
Ryan52: will you be all done?
20:57
<petre>
warren, are you rebuilding rc1 or is this for f10?
20:57
<warren>
petre: F10
20:57
petre: I'm updating ltsp and ldm in F9
20:57
petre: I'll update the kickstart scripts for F9 tomorrow as well, you can try to make a new F9 image.
20:57
i'm focusing on F10
20:58
petre: F9 might be ready for a release now, F10 there are a few OS (kernel and X) bugs I want fixed before moving forward.
20:58
no chance of K12Linux F10 final now, maybe an rc.
20:58
<petre>
warren, I'll need some help on making the f9 image
20:58
<Ryan52>
warren: ya, that last commit is done and working..
20:58
<warren>
Ryan52: ok
20:59
Ryan52: maybe tag now then?
20:59
<Ryan52>
ya.
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<petre>
warren, do you have any notes or a quick overview of the steps you go through?
21:03
or is it mostly kickstart scripts?
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<warren>
petre: yum install livecd-tools
21:04
petre: cd /etc/ltsp/live-config/fedora9
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<Ryan52>
;/g 24
21:04
err, oops.
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<warren>
petre: livecd-creator --help
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<jammcq>
hey kids
21:05
<warren>
petre: you want to run the command on live-ltsp-server.ks, but you also
21:05
petre: want to supply a cache directory so you can re-run it again and it wont need to download everything again
21:05
petre: specify /tmp or somewhere
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petre: but the current ltsp-server has the old name of quickstart RPM
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<petre>
hey jammcq
21:06
<warren>
petre: so I am correcting that in the new RPM version
21:07
<alex_21>
Hi, I have Netvistas 2200. I need to bring them up under ltsp 5. They also need to be upgraded and I was told I could do this with an LTSP server. Any Idea how to do this? I need to update all firmware and then set them up using nfs/TFTP with BootP. How can I do this?
21:08
<warren>
alex_21: I already told you that LTSP doesn't do what you want.
21:08
asking again is not going to change that.
21:08
<petre>
warren, you saw that in version 0.3 of the rpm I renamed it?
21:08
<warren>
petre: yes;.
21:09
<petre>
still calls firefox, though ;-)
21:10
<warren>
petre: it is necessary in F9, it appears fixed in F10
21:10
we'll change it when F-9 is gone
21:11
Ryan52: i'm tagging now then
21:11
<Ryan52>
okay.
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<warren>
if broken, will tag again!
21:13
crap, it is broken
21:13
argh, don't care, pushing anyway
21:14
Ryan52: any word on the ldm interface rewrite?
21:14
Ryan52: if it doesn't come soon, then I'm committing my alt layout as IFDEF's
21:14
<Ryan52>
warren: I dunno. that's ogra's thing.
21:14
warren: and he hasn't put any bzr repos up anywhere, so I can't help..
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<Ryan52>
warren: so, uhhh, how is it broken?
21:24
<warren>
Ryan52: fedora specific problem
21:24
<Ryan52>
oh, okay, good :)
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<warren>
petre: i'll let you know when the new rpms are ready
21:39
petre: tomorrow
21:39
<petre>
warren, ok
21:40
I probably won't get to rebuilding the f9 until Thurs.
21:40
although I might be able to start tomorrow night
21:41
<warren>
no problem then
21:41
<Ryan52>
warren: are you gonna tag ldm-trunk tonight? /me doesn't want to have to merge later :)
21:41
<warren>
Ryan52: i'll tag now, but didn't test it yet
21:41
Ryan52: actually, go ahead and tag... i'm going to sleep
21:41
<Ryan52>
how? :)
21:42
<warren>
you haven't tagged before?
21:42
<Ryan52>
nope.
21:42
<warren>
bump the number, checkin
21:42
mkdst tag
21:42
<Ryan52>
okay.
21:42
<warren>
check that it looks correct with bzr viz or something
21:42
then push it
21:47
<Ryan52>
amazing :)
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<Ryan52>
stgraber: fyi, I have the x_session function split out to a shell script, and have the dmrc parsing almost done.
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