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Channel log from 12 March 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<pete_>
hi all, got a question
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<Guest3732>
i have fedora 10 running k12
02:55
i have got ltsp running in qem but how do i get it to run a real thin client?
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<muttley_>
i try video playback on thin client, but on vlc i have some frames drop
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vlc output: [00000420] avcodec decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> droppingframe (computer too slow ?)
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<muttley_>
i have many question...make all :)
03:03
what is the shutdown procedure from thin client (GUI)...i made log out and on ldm shutdown?! it's long and my thin client freeze...
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<Guest3732>
how do you change dhcp from ltspbr0 to eth0 in virtualbox?
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<alkisg_work>
muttley_: what are the video parameters? (resolution, fps...) Is xvideo enabled? Is your client CPU usage < 100% ?
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<muttley_>
hi alkisg...i think you have help me last time
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<alkisg_work>
Hello... Yes, I think so
03:12
<muttley_>
thin client resoliton 1360*768
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<alkisg_work>
Did you try the "xvinfo" command? Is xv enabled?
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<muttley_>
xv is enabled on matrox g4...but i have this line: maximum XvImage size: 1024 x 1024
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<alkisg_work>
What's the video resolution and frames per second?
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<muttley_>
656x272
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<alkisg_work>
Do you notice any difference if you play it full screen, as opposed to non-full screen?
03:15
<muttley_>
no it's the same
03:15
<alkisg_work>
OK, so the 1024x1024 limit is the source rect limit, not the destination rect limit
03:15
<muttley_>
i have see video playback statistics and 10-20% of frames is dropped
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<alkisg_work>
See the client CPU usage, is it < 100% ?
03:16
And, try to playback the video locally - is the matrox capable of playing a full screen video at this resolution?
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<muttley_>
i switch to sceen_0 and command top on thin client os see 20-30% of idle cpu
03:17
my cpu don't enough power for decode divx...it's only 350 mhz (pentium II)
03:18
but if i use mplayer the video seem good
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(sorry for my english...)
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<alkisg_work>
If you use mplayer it plays OK, but if you use vlc it doesn't?
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<muttley_>
yes!!!!
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<alkisg_work>
Maybe the transfer the xvideo in different format, e.g. YV12 / RGB. Monitor the network bandwidth with iftop on the server
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<muttley_>
i don't know if i have frame drop on mplayer but the video it's better
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<alkisg_work>
Mplayer will tell you about the xv format it uses (e.g. YV12), I don't know about vlc. So your video would need about 50Mbps with YV12, but 200Mbps with RGB32.
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<muttley_>
mhhh... i remember it's lower 6 Mbyte
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<alkisg_work>
bits or bytes?
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<muttley_>
sorry Mbit
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60 Mbit
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<alkisg_work>
OK, for both mplayer and vlc?
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<muttley_>
i don't know i must retest (but as last time i don't have thin client now)
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wait
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i have all message response from vlc (and cvlc without gui) and mplayer
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<alkisg_work>
Put the messages from vlc to pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg_work: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<alkisg_work>
(or cvlc - if they're more detailed)
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<muttley_>
wait...
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<ltsppbot>
"muttley_" pasted "#############################x" (111 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/281
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<muttley_>
you can read "xvinfo" command, vlc and mplayer
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if usefull: when try to play video with 1280x532 res on vlc start but VERY LOW...
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<alkisg_work>
x11 video output error: X11 request 144.1 failed with error code 10: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)
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Maybe it thinks xv isn't supported, and renders the video by using the slow putimage method (instead of xvputimage).
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<muttley_>
...on mplayer don't start and say me: "VO: [xv] 1280x532 => 1280x532 Planar YV12
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Source image dimensions are too high: 1280x532 (maximum is 1024x1024)
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FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver."
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<alkisg_work>
yeah, that's the 1024x1024 limit you mentioned before
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<muttley_>
vlc don't support xvinfo?!
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<alkisg_work>
It does - with your card it has a problem
03:30
Your video driver supports to claim shared memory over the network - which is wrong
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<muttley_>
i have also try totem player but with the same result of vlc...
03:31
mhhhh....
03:31
but also mplayer try use shared memory: "[VO_XV] Shared memory not supported"
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<alkisg_work>
Maybe you could find some *force xv* option for vlc...
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<tarzeau>
HELLO!
03:32
someone should redirect this http://ltsp.sourceforge.net/ to ltsp.org no?
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<alkisg_work>
muttley_: I guess mplayer detects that, and uses xvputimage but not xvshmputimage. The others fail to detect that and use putimage (no xv)
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<muttley_>
ok understand
03:33
thank you man
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<alkisg_work>
That's just my guest - you should ask a xorg expert to be sure :P
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<muttley_>
i try to find option for vlc *focre xv*
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<alkisg_work>
*guess
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<muttley_>
excuseme, a last question
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my matrox have: maximum XvImage size: 1024 x 1024
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but when try play video with 1280x532 say me :Source image dimensions are too high: 1280x532 (maximum is 1024x1024)
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can i "re-balance" supported resolution?!
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<alkisg_work>
You can transcode the video before it's transmitted, yes
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<muttley_>
1024*1024 is aspect ratio 1:1...i have a 16:9
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transcode?!? some indication :)
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<alkisg_work>
moment...
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<muttley_>
of course
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<daduke>
!seen jammcq
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<ltspbot>
daduke: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 13 hours, 21 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <jammcq> hello friends
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<alkisg_work>
muttley_: I don't know if you can change the 1024x1024 limit to something like 1300x500 without patching the driver yourself - or even if your hardware supports it. But you could use the transcoding - streaming option of vlc or gstreamer to reduce the video resolution before it is sent to the clients.
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muttley_: of course, with 100mbps network, you'll only be able to sent video to one client... :)
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<muttley_>
yes i know...but it's not a problem...for the moment
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i would not loss resolution... i hope that if 1024x1024 = 1048576
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...also 1360x768= 1044480...it's the same
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<muttley_>
perhaps i'll buy a new graphic card ...
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<muttley_>
thank you again for all support...
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<muttley_>
is there some stuff for run ltsp (client) on xbox 1?
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<daduke>
muttley_: since you can install a pretty regular Linux on it, I would assume 'yes'
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<muttley_>
yes
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gPXE and similar i don't think is supported
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<daduke>
muttley_: probably not. You might be able to install something locally tho, have a look at http://wiki.phys.ethz.ch/readme/how_to_create_ltsp_boot_images?s[]=livecd, that's what I came up with to create LTSP boot images for CD and USB sticks.
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<alkisg_work>
muttley_: you may also just copy the kernels from the tftpboot directory locally to the xbox.
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<muttley_>
i'm not a linux expert! :(
04:04
i think both the procedure it's so hard...
04:04
<alkisg_work>
Where can the xbox boot from? hard disk, cd?
04:05
Have you already put linux to it?
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<muttley_>
xbox can boot form cd and from hd
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<daduke>
muttley_: if you've got a modchip, that is
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<muttley_>
yes only for try...the xbox problem is low ram (64 mb)...low for fat client...good for thin client
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<alkisg_work>
OK, put linux on the hd (i'm sure you can find tutorials for this) and then copy /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz and initrd to the /boot/ directory. Update menu.lst and you're done...
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<muttley_>
sure?!?
04:09
i think it's too simple!
04:09
i don't know i normal x86 kenel it's good for xbox
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i don't know if normal x86 kenel it's good for xbox
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<daduke>
muttley_: I think the necessary patches have been incorporated
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<muttley_>
in ltsp thin client kernel?!? are there patches for xbox?!
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<alkisg_work>
muttley_: I have no idea about xbox, I thought it had a regular pentium CPU...
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<muttley_>
Intel Celeron 733 MHz CPU, an nVidia GeForce 3MX, 64 MB of RAM, a 8/10 GB hard disk, a DVD drive and 10/100 Ethernet.
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<daduke>
muttley_, alkisg_work: it's a slightly modified celeron. there were some patches for the controller & stuff, but I'm pretty sure they're in the regular kernel sources now
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<muttley_>
but normal live cd don't start on xbox...
04:13
waooo
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<daduke>
muttley_: which is more of a boot loader issue I think. my xbox work is already some years back...
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<muttley_>
sorry don't understand...your xbox work?!? with what?? ltsp?!
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<daduke>
muttley_: no, modchips, HW upgrades, Linux, that kind of stuff
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<muttley_>
if you know good ltsp because don't make some stuff for xbox :D
04:18
ehehhe...you know if xbox graphic car
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ehm...do you know if xbox graphic card ( nVidia GeForce 3MX ) support xv?!
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<alkisg_work>
muttley_: my geforce 400mx requires the proprietary nvidia drivers on the chroot to support xv.
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<daduke>
muttley_: that's rather a driver question, but my guees would be yes, using nv
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<alkisg_work>
daduke: I don't think nv supports xv. :(
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At least in 3-4 different nvidia chipsets I've tried...
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<daduke>
alkisg_work: it doesn't? how about nouveau?
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<alkisg_work>
I've never tried nouveau.
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<daduke>
alkisg_work: I'm not sure Nvidia's nvidia will run on Xbox, the chip being pretty OEM and all...
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alkisg_work: http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Bug-271235-nv-driver-fi-etensions-test-ftopict294379.html - if they manage to fix the xv extension, it seems to be present at least :)
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<muttley_>
i think if try is so simple as you say...i'll try :)
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<muttley_>
if install ltsp on xbox is so simple as you say...i'll try :)
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however i think for who have "money problem" xbox it's very good thin client (small, cheap and low energy power)
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this is the difference by a normal pc: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Porting_an_Operating_System_to_the_Xbox_HOWTO
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<marius-->
where can i get a documentation about ltsp+ldap and user authentification over ldap?
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<cyberorg>
marius--, look up yer distro + ldap, ltsp has got nothing to do with it :)
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<marius-->
so how can i run on ubuntu an ldap server with user authentification?
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<cyberorg>
marius--, google ubuntu +ldap, first link ;)
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<marius-->
ah
06:39
k
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<kaos01>
anyone any ideas as to why X would take ages to start up using ldm, fedora10 ltsp5 ?
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<shamino>
kaos01, sounds like network problem..
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<kaos01>
once i login in its all good
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not sure even how to try to find the problem i ran tcpdump on the client but didnt see anything taking a long time
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<evilx>
what the issue?
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<kaos01>
to be hones i dont know, but once i loginto ldm, enter username password it takes a LONG time for the desktop environment to apear, once i log in everythign works good
07:47
bit the server and client are very capable machines, so i strongly doubt that would be a problem
07:47
plenty of cpu/ram
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<evilx>
could just be an issue with how it mount the home directory
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<kaos01>
you mean teh fuse thing ?
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<evilx>
yeah
07:49
it how it actually verify if the username and pass is correct
07:49
from what I understand
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<kaos01>
well i think disbling local devices didnt improve anything
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so it doesnt mount home
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<evilx>
it still going to mount the home directory
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<kaos01>
well i have a shell and i cant see home mounted anywhere
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<evilx>
/home/user isnt there after you logged in?
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<kaos01>
no, but give me a sec to confirm ( i will reboot :) )
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thanks !!!
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yes gettign rid of home did speed things up !!!!!!!
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LOCAL_APPS=False
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but i want local apps :)
07:57
actually no i dont
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<kaos01>
evilx, thankyou !!
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<ogra>
(you should file a bug in fedora about that, sshfs works pretty fast in ubuntu and debian for the localapp home mount)
08:05
might be an issue with the ssh server setup
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<kaos01>
any ideas as to what it might be ? its a default sshd setup
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<ogra>
no, i dont use fedora
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generally ldm mounts /home/$USER via sshfs during login if localapps are enabled
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so it might be fedoras handling of sshfs or the server side setup that slows down
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<kaos01>
i will test sshfs after gettign some sleep
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<marius-->
where can i get help for my ldap setup?
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<rjent>
Greetings, I have an old ltsp setup and when there are odd things happen with dns I get the Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key error on the kdm log of the the system I have the chooser running.
09:05
Any ideas?
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<wigwam>
hello
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i have a problem with ltsp rdesktop session
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with ubuntu server
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in rdesktop session win key doesn't work, but worse, sometimes key shortcuts with ctrl don't work
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any ideas please?
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<furiousdraz>
hi
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I used LTSP V5 with Edubuntu (ubuntu with add-on of edubuntu) but i don't understand why i'm not able to launch my computer with PXE
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First : i can see on syslog that my thin client take an IP address (Mar 12 16:00:21 edubuntu dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.111.53 to 00:22:64:6f:1f:ea via eth0)
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but after that i see this error : Mar 12 15:58:23 edubuntu in.tftpd[5883]: tftp: client does not accept options
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an now, my thin client avec a black screen with a dash blinking at the top
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do you know what'a appened?
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<wigwam>
in rdesktop session win key doesn't work, but worse, sometimes key shortcuts with ctrl don't work, any idea please?
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<lucy>
11:48
anyone know how to add libraries in LTSP got the error: error loading tls libc.so.6 can not now, when trying to access
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anyone know how to add libraries in LTSP got the error: error loading tls libc.so.6 can not now, when trying to access
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<maginot>
Hi All
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<maginot>
anyone know why I'm receiving this messagem from a client that can 't boot>]: Mar 12 14:12:51 inmetro-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.20 (192.168.0.1) from 00:40:a7:0a:f0:da via eth0
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Mar 12 14:12:51 inmetro-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.20 to 00:40:a7:0a:f0:da via eth0
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Mar 12 14:12:51 inmetro-ltsp in.tftpd[6295]: tftp: client does not accept options
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<johnny>
maginot, it's not really an error.. a warning that shouldn't mean anything to ya
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<lucy>
rjune: you know how to add libraries or gcc in LTSP got the error: error loading tls libc.so.6 can not now, when trying to access
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<rjune_>
5.0 or 4.2
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<lucy>
4.2
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<rjune_>
My first question is why did it happen in the first place. were you trying to update something?
13:05
4.2 has a build environment available for it, you can use it to build software for the ltsp root
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<lucy>
must run a script to drive to a biometric reader,
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You can access gcc in a shell session on the LTSP client?
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<maginot>
johnny: hMmm but after that warning the boot process hangs...
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<lucy>
rjune: I create an environment with LBE?
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<maginot>
Hmm on the client the message I have is Loading, please wait \n Ip-config: eth0 hardware xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx MTU 1500 DHCP RARP and at this moment the boot of the client is stuck... this can be a missing module issue?
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anyidea, anyone?
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<alkisg>
maginot: distro?
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<maginot>
alkisg: ubuntu 7.10 ltsp5... already in production enviorement
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<alkisg>
maginot: pxe clients or etherboot?
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<maginot>
alkisg: pxe clients... this is a particular box that isnt equal to the others we have ... Its board is a RTL8139
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<alkisg>
maginot: could you try to put this line in the bottom of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file, to see if it's a problem with ipconfig and your dhcp server(s)?
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IPAPPEND 3
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<maginot>
alkisg: something very very weird just happened
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I think its interesting to report
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this box has 2 nic, one onboard that have pxe support and other offboard without pxe
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well
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when it was stuck I tooked off the cable from the onboard board and then it plugged it on the offboard card, after that it continued the boot process and finaly showed the ubuntu login screen
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if I try to boot directly from the offboard card I cant cause it doesnt have pxe support, I did this 2 times and all happened again
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O.o
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alkisg: ^
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<alkisg>
maginot: then you'll have to pass the specific interface to ipconfig
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as a kernel parameter, from the default file I told you above
13:58
See the recent messages in ltsp-discuss list, someone did a patch for this kind of problem
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<maginot>
alkisg: well, just tooking off the offboard resolved the question now the box booted fine
14:00
but thanks for your attention
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<alkisg>
k
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<rjune_>
lucy, no, you can download the build environment
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I suspect you've changed sometehing already to get that error
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<lucy>
rjune, yes, I just added the lib.
15:08
I think I need to install a package libs
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rjune: where do I download build enviroment?
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<rjune_>
Uhm, used to be on the website
15:38
realistically anything you try to b uild for ltsp should be within the ltsp build environment
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<davidl_>
Hello
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<davidl_>
looking for tips on nfs-swap on ltsp5 for a P133 client.
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<davidl_>
however I'm not sure this is going to solve my problem
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<davidl_>
(actually, the tip I'm looking for is how to enable nfs-swap)
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<vagrantc>
why not nbd swap?
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<davidl_>
uhh... no reason
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except that I don't know what I'm doing... and ltsp wiki talked about nfs-swap for older clients
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<vagrantc>
NBD is built into most kernels, NFS swap requires crazy kernel patches
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<davidl_>
ok
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<vagrantc>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<vagrantc>
davidl_: hopefully there's something there about NBD swap
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<davidl_>
sweet. thank you!
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<davidj>
rjune_: knock, knock.
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Gadi: Are you around?
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