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Channel log from 5 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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09:12
<antgel_>
hey all. just testing a new ltsp install using debian lenny. clients are coming up at 1280x768 rather than the 1280x1024 that i know these 17" monitors are capable of
09:13
xrandr doesn't offer the 1280x1024 resolution, not sure if it's an EDID problem
09:16
<sbalneav>
yeah, probably
09:16
<antgel_>
have added XRANDR_DISABLE=True and X_MODE_0=1280x1024 to lts.conf, but no dice
09:16
how can i debug this further?
09:17
as an aside, i run into more EDID problems than all other X problems put together
09:17
<sbalneav>
might want to try providing a custom xorg.conf for them
09:17
<antgel_>
sbalneav, you mean with custom modeline?
09:17
<sbalneav>
I think it's X_CONF=, but the docs will have it for sure
09:17
<johnny>
it makes me cry that we still have to do that in any case :(
09:17
<sbalneav>
!docs
09:17
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
09:17
<sbalneav>
yeah, with a custom modeline.
09:17
<antgel_>
sbalneav, yes, i'm reading the PDF as i speak :)
09:17
johnny, what?
09:18
<sbalneav>
as X gets more and more "automatic", it gets tougher and tougher to make it do what you want :)
09:18
<johnny>
use custom xorg.conf or anything X_*
09:18
sbalneav, but generally it has gotten pretty good imo
09:18
<sbalneav>
Oh, sure.
09:18
95% of the time it works great
09:18
<johnny>
sbalneav, think of all the time lost between last decent release of xfree86 and xorg :(
09:18
<sbalneav>
but handling the 5% gets tougher :)
09:19
<antgel_>
johnny, tell me about it. whisper it quietly but i bet if i plugged these screens into a windows machine they'd come up at 1280x1024 automagically
09:19* antgel_ runs
09:19
<johnny>
antgel_, getting closer ..
09:19
<antgel_>
very well, i'll try a custom modeline
09:19
<johnny>
most of the time that's how it works on linux too :)
09:19
even for for the widescreen oddities resolution..
09:19
<sbalneav>
antgel_: that's easy then, buy your windows licenses and ditch this linux cr*p :)
09:19
<antgel_>
johnny, my mileage differs on a variety of hardware
09:20
sbalneav, yeah right
09:20
<johnny>
one one of my terminals i used to have to provide a special color line just for one specific instance of an intel graphics chip..but no more..
09:21
<antgel_>
maybe i could use XRANDR_NEWMODE_01 etc?
09:26
<alkisg>
antgel_: what driver do you use/
09:26
?
09:27
posting xorg.log to pastebin would help...
09:27
<antgel_>
alkisg, hmm, haven't changed anything from the default, and don't even know what hardware's in these machines
09:27
<johnny>
antgel_, the default is to generate one for each machine
09:28
you can actually get the generated conf if you go to the console
09:28
<alkisg>
E.g. if the driver is using the vesa modelines, then it might not support this mode
09:28
<antgel_>
alkisg, hmm, i'd like to see it myself, is it going to reside on the server or the client
09:28
<johnny>
client
09:29
<alkisg>
To get a shell on the client to look into this, you can put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.con
09:29
*lts.conf
09:29
<antgel_>
that's what i thought, but then i couldn't work out how to login
09:29
ah, that helps Z)
09:29
:) even
09:29
<-- using a uk rather than his normal dvorak layout
09:30
<alkisg>
[Default]
09:30
SCREEN_02=shell
09:30
SCREEN_07=ldm
09:30
^^ that goes to lts.conf
09:30
<johnny>
have people considered removing the need for [default]
09:30
<antgel_>
alkisg, i got you first time, thanks, trying it now
09:31
<johnny>
and just keep parsing til the first []
09:31
as a machine..
09:32
<alkisg>
Yeah it'd be nice if whatever was outside the sections was considered as a [default] section too...
09:33
I think I can send a grammar patch if you want
09:33
<johnny>
it's not up to me..
09:33
ask scott and vagrantc what they think
09:33
<alkisg>
(even thought I never got an answer about the one that accepted an empty lts.conf as valid... :()
09:33
<johnny>
alkisg, bug them again :)
09:34
it makes sense
09:34
<alkisg>
Nah, I wanna bug them for the shutdown/reboot thing now, it's more important :D
09:34
<johnny>
you can bug them for multiple things..
09:34
hehe
09:34
<alkisg>
sbalneav: ^^ :P :D
09:38
<antgel_>
hmm, i added SCREEN_02=shell to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, but it made no difference. and my XRANDR_ statements didn't, even with a modeline i'd verified from the shell
09:38
<johnny>
not the right place
09:38
<antgel_>
oops
09:38
<johnny>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:38
the one in the chroot requires an image rebuild..
09:39
<antgel_>
ah. i did locate lts.conf to find it. *blush*
09:41
johnny, didn't work any better. could swear client displays some message about lts.conf but it flies by and ldm starts up :(
09:42
<johnny>
that would mean it can't parse probably.. sure you have the syntax right?
09:42
you need the [default]
09:42
<antgel_>
will pastebin
09:45
http://pastebin.ca/1703123
09:46
hmm, just saw the error as i rebooted client, syntax error on line 10
09:46
wow, this pdf manual is really detailed, i don't think it existed last time i did a ltsp install
09:47
<johnny>
remove the commends at the top
09:47
and the indenting
09:47
comments and blank line
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<antgel_>
*still* says syntax error on line 10
09:50
<squarepeg>
antgel_, that is the work of the balneavmeister
09:51
<johnny>
antgel_, repaste ..
09:54
i aso don't think the quoting here is wrong
09:54
XRANDR_NEWMODE_01="1280x1024_60.00" 108.88 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060 -HSync +Vsync
09:54
i could be wrong tho
09:54
but i don't think you can do = "stuff" more stuff
09:55
only = "stuff"
09:55
<antgel_>
with http://pastebin.ca/1703139 it doesn't give the syntax error with lts.conf on line 10, but it also doesn't do anything i ask it to
09:55
johnny, i'll remove the quotes
09:55
<johnny>
ctrl + alt + f2 has no shell?
09:55
i don't think you should
09:55
<antgel_>
i don't even get the shell on screen 2
09:55
<johnny>
just put the quotes at beginning and end
09:56
can you ltsp-localapps xterm ?
09:56
run that command i mean
09:56
on the client that is
09:56
or ltsp-localapp xterm
09:56
/me forgots..
09:56
<alkisg>
ltsp-localapps xterm
09:57
<johnny>
i was right then
09:57
good thing we have you around alkis
09:57
<alkisg>
;)
09:57
<johnny>
/me pokes antgel_
09:57
<alkisg>
antgel_: so, sit on the client, open gnome-terminal, run `ltsp-localapps xterm`, and then `getltscfg -a`
09:58
<antgel_>
before i do that - there are warning at the top of screen 2, i'll type them
09:58
(client is a few metres away ;))
09:58
<alkisg>
Well, come to irc from this client then :D
09:58
<johnny>
antgel_, that's why i like to install ssh on them for development :)
09:58
sshd that is..
09:59
<alkisg>
sudo nc server port -c "echo connected; /bin/bash 2>&1" ==> instant sshd ;)
09:59
...and nc -l -p $port on the server...
09:59
<johnny>
more like instant telnet :)
09:59
or rather
09:59
instant rsh
10:00
<antgel_>
something like W: main.c: (setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE 31, 31 failed (operation not permitted)
10:00
<alkisg>
Right - but hey, it's convinient for support!
10:00
<johnny>
ah.. that's not a bug antgel_
10:00
it's from pulse audio
10:00
it just should hide that warning better
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10:00
<antgel_>
so it's nothing to do with why my shell doesn't appear
10:00
<johnny>
nope
10:01
<antgel_>
i'll try the ltsp-localapps xterm
10:01
<johnny>
and the getltscfg -a
10:01
that tries to parse it
10:01
so you'll know when it's right..
10:01
it's snowin..
10:02
<antgel_>
ltsp-localapps: command not found
10:03
getltscfg: command not found
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10:04
<antgel_>
johnny, where are you? london is relatively ok at the moment
10:04
<johnny>
what version is that? did i miss it
10:04
antgel_, baltimore, maryland, usa
10:04
<antgel_>
whatever comes with debian lenny
10:04
<johnny>
/me doesn't know
10:04
<antgel_>
5 point...
10:04
<johnny>
!ver
10:04
<ltspbot>
johnny: "ver" :: to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
10:04
<johnny>
could be that your version is too old
10:05
<antgel_>
5.1.10-2
10:05
<johnny>
sbalneav, ever heard of "ack"
10:05
/me realizes he does't know when local apps entered by version of ltsp.. only by version of ubuntu/fedora
10:06
antgel_, there's another way tho..
10:06
can you just paste your lts.conf again
10:06
what you have now
10:06
we'll see if one more mod can make it just work
10:06
beofre you go setting the password on the chroot
10:06
and forcing a login..
10:08
<alkisg>
antgel_: try this, from gnome-terminal: xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND xterm
10:09
<johnny>
now that's some hackery :)
10:09
gogo alkisg !
10:09
<alkisg>
:P
10:09
<johnny>
iv'e yet to try it manually
10:09
antgel_, that's basically all the ltsp-localapps command does.. is what he just suggested
10:09
just a friendlier face to it..
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<antgel>
back, the ADSL got cut off on my client site *sigh*
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18:13
<ehrenpr>
anyone know how to configure login_timout with auto login?
18:15
<johnny>
what's the problem?
18:15
it's just on seconds
18:16
!docs
18:16
<ltspbot>
johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
18:18
<johnny>
i don't have the SRV tree to grep for the timeout param :(
18:18
<Ryan52>
ehrenpr: I can help probably.
18:18
ehrenpr: just set LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
18:18* Ryan52 is the person who implimented that feature.
18:18
<johnny>
cool..
18:18
Ryan52, !!!!
18:18
how are you !
18:18
<ehrenpr>
i got it setup, i saw the count down but then nothing happend, without ldm-autologin.
18:19
<johnny>
of course..
18:19
<ehrenpr>
with auto-login it didnt show the timer
18:19
<johnny>
do you have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y ?
18:19
you need both
18:19
<ehrenpr>
yes
18:19
<johnny>
i think?
18:19
maybe i'll let Ryan52 talk :)
18:19
he's used it more recently than I
18:19
<ehrenpr>
when i had both it didnt count down, but loggid in directly.
18:19
<Ryan52>
johnny: set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD too.
18:19
<ehrenpr>
got
18:20
username and ass set up
18:20
pass i mean
18:21
ryan so if i set ldm-login-timeout how do i identify which user to login
18:21
<Ryan52>
set LDM_USERNAME and set LDM_PASSWORD..
18:21
johnny: good! how are you?
18:22
<johnny>
ehrenpr, i told you that before iirc..
18:22
[ip or mac]
18:22
LDM_USERNAME=""
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LDM_PASSWORD=""
18:22
need that for each connection
18:22
altho.. it will default to username of hostname and password of hostname
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if you happen to have dns resolution setup properly
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<ehrenpr>
thanks, ill try that out
18:23
<johnny>
ehrenpr, if you dns working.. it's recommended that you apply the hack for ssh keys there
18:24
instead of the hostname/hostname .. i got "hacked" sorta
18:24
somebody brute forced a login and ran an irc bot
18:24
it wasn't rooted or anything..
18:24
just annoying
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