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Channel log from 4 September 2017   (all times are UTC)

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10:13
<tarzeau>
https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2017/Projects was there someone workinkg on that ltsp-manager thing ?
10:13
<alkisg>
!ltsp-manager
10:13
<ltsp>
ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
10:13
<alkisg>
Yes, it's ready for testing :)
10:13
<tarzeau>
i found the thing on launchpad, stone aged
10:14
Version 0.0.2-0ubuntu3 uploaded on 2007-09-30
10:14
but where can i download it? it's not on github.com
10:15
http://www.ltsp.org/download it's integrated into ltsp?
10:15
<alkisg>
!ltsp-source
10:15
<ltsp>
ltsp-source: at https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp/
10:16
<alkisg>
No
10:16
It's in launchpad
10:16
<tarzeau>
ltsp-manager is in launchpad?
10:16
in this !ltsp-source thing?
10:18
<alkisg>
https://launchpad.net/ltsp-manager/
10:18
All the links for code, bugs etc are there
10:19
First link in the wiki page...
10:20
(01:14:26 PM) tarzeau: Version 0.0.2-0ubuntu3 uploaded on 2007-09-30 ==> where did you find that, so that we delete it?
10:21
(it was an old unrelated project with the same name)
10:21
Ah in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ltsp-manager? OK this will be automatically deleted when precise gets deleted from launchpad, probably
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12:27
<alkisg>
!learn ltsp-manager-source as in https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp-manager
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<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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20:30
<bennabiy>
alkisg: updated the wiki a little with a spelling correction
20:30
alkisg: on http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/User_accounts
20:36
<alkisg>
bennabiy: err, thanks, but isn't that wrong NOW?
20:36
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/complains
20:37
vs http://www.thefreedictionary.com/complaint
20:37
I think I want the first one, the one I had there, isn't that right?
20:37
<bennabiy>
not in english
20:38
<alkisg>
Can you check those pages that I linked, and explain the difference to me?
20:38
<bennabiy>
easy, you linked the verbs and in the sense it is used, you need a noun, which a complaint is
20:39
when someone complains, they have a complaint
20:39
<alkisg>
Aaah verb vs noun!
20:39
<bennabiy>
yes
20:39
<alkisg>
Got it, thank you!
20:39
<bennabiy>
:)
20:39
Some time you will need to teach me a little greek ;)
20:39
<alkisg>
Haha, ευχαρίστως!
20:39
"with pleasure" :)
20:39
<bennabiy>
how is that pronounced?
20:40
<alkisg>
euchareestos, with an accent in ee
20:40
Better, efchareestos
20:40
<bennabiy>
change in tense?
20:41
<alkisg>
No I got confused because eu in greek is pronounced ef sometimes, and I typed the same in english without thinking
20:41
<bennabiy>
ah, so efcharEEstos?
20:42
<alkisg>
Right!
20:42
So, were the docs useful at all?
20:42
<bennabiy>
ch hard or like cheese?
20:42
<alkisg>
it's soft, like h in heart
20:42
<bennabiy>
Yes, I was very happy to see them. I think they need to be expanded, but a great starting point!
20:43
<alkisg>
Cool :)
20:43
<bennabiy>
thank you!
20:43
I do think it would be good to have a list for those a little more paranoid about their systems to see what all patching is taking place automatically
20:44
like a link to a list of things not patched upstream which the ltsp-manager fixes
20:44
<alkisg>
The code is the best documentation! But seriously, little things are needed frequently, and it's hard to document all those little bugs in ubuntu/debian that need patching
20:44
The ltsp code is also full of such patches
20:45
<bennabiy>
yes, I was more thinking since it was mentioned in the docs on http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/Initial_setup
20:45
<alkisg>
E.g. 'in xorg < versionX, don't put -listen, in xorg > versionX, put -tcplisten" etc
20:46
The major difference is that ltsp manager patches the server file system, while the ltsp-client patches the client file system which is dynamic and changes are lost on shutdown
20:46
But even so, the patches are there, undocumented for ages... :)
20:46
Yes I mentioned the most important ones there, and I left out the little ones that weren't significant
20:47
It also depends on the distro/version/packages you have installed etc, we fix whatever we can depending on your setup
20:47
E.g. if you don't have network manager in ubuntu, you don't need its fixes
20:47
So they're not applied
20:47
If you don't have tilda (from mate), we don't divert it ,etc
20:48
<bennabiy>
yes, I just was thinking of this " It finetunes some system configuration files to workaround known issues that are not yet solved in their respective packages." and also the reference to bad network-manager configs (as in, what is an example of those)
20:48
<alkisg>
And most of the patches have been fixed in later versions of those applications
20:48
E.g. network manager stopped the bad design choice of ubuntu to spawn a dnsmasq
20:48
<bennabiy>
I am sure I am probably the only one who would even think twice about it
20:49
<alkisg>
So we just ignore a bad design choice that was there for a few years
20:49
It's all there in the code though, easy to read initial-setup.sh
20:49
less /usr/share/ltsp-manager/initial-setup.sh
20:50
Or e.g. tilda is no longer autostarted in newer mate version, like we already do for 16.04
20:50
<bennabiy>
Even adding a note about where to look to see "under the hood" what is going on would be sufficient. Do you think that would be too much to add?
20:50
<alkisg>
Ah sure, we can point them to the source
20:51
https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp-manager/tree/share/ltsp-manager/initial-setup.sh
20:51
<bennabiy>
I know in the various Wiki entries for SmartOS, there is a lot that says look in the source, or man this etc, which allows people to know where to find more information about what is being run.
20:51
<alkisg>
Be my guest, to put a link for that file there!
20:55
bennabiy: I have another question about english! In my example for the user accounts, I say "suppose we have 6 classes, a1, a2, b1, b2, c1, c2". Do you call those classes? And what is "a" called, "grade"?
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20:56
<alkisg>
I mean a school with 3 grades, and 2 classes for each grade, which sums up to 6 classes. But am I using the correct words there?
20:56
(e.g. high schools in greece have 3 grades, for ages 12, 13 and 14)
20:58
<bennabiy>
Well, classes is used in high school primarily two ways. The broader sense is like the "class of 2017" meaning all students graduating in a certain year, but the same word is used for each individual course in the day ( math class etc)
20:59
<alkisg>
Hmm I don't think those are suitable. In our case, "class of 2017" has e.g. 40 students, and they split up to 2 groups of 20 students each
20:59
Then each group gets taught the exact same lessons, except in different hours
20:59
<bennabiy>
yes, that could be in a smaller school
20:59
yes
20:59
<alkisg>
Would you call those groups "classes" then?
20:59
<bennabiy>
so that is the broader general sense of class
20:59
<alkisg>
It should be ok then, no need for major changes in the wiki :)
21:00
<bennabiy>
class is that group of students all in the same grade
21:00
<alkisg>
Nice
21:00
<bennabiy>
classes are the individual sections of time of a specific course
21:00
so a teacher may teach 7 classes a day
21:02
I will look over that section one more time later (about to dive back into our deli again till 2AM here) if you can look over the way I put the link in
21:02
http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/Initial_setup
21:02
<alkisg>
Cool, thanks!
21:03
<bennabiy>
I am going to be gett ing a little more time for LTSP in a little while(hopefully in a couple months) which will be nice
21:03* alkisg calls it a day and waves goodnight! :)
21:03* bennabiy waves
21:03
<bennabiy>
me too
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