IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 March 2018   (all times are UTC)

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05:28
<alkisg>
clarknova_: what's the last message that you see on the clients?
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13:06
<Nitrigaur>
I want to be able to start a terminal session from a windows server, using a windows password (ads). Is this possible, preferrably with only free software(not counting the windows server)?
13:07
And this needs to be a grpahical terminal session, with X-Windows/
13:07
And this needs to be a graphical terminal session, with X-Windows (LXDE)
13:07
<alkisg>
Nitrigaur: how is this related to ltsp?
13:08
LTSP is about netbooted clients, do you have anything netbooted?
13:08
<Nitrigaur>
alkisg. It would start the same graphical terminal session, although not through PXE.
13:08
<alkisg>
LTSP is about pxe though...
13:11
<Nitrigaur>
alkisg, that is good to know. Could you recommend something that would mirror the functionality I'm looking for, outside of PXE?I could start a QUEMU session using a minimal machine to get a PXE entry point, but that would probably complicate matters, rather than solve anything. Wouldn't you agree?
13:27
<quinox1>
network-booting a VM is easy
13:29
hooking PAM up to ActiveDirectory LDAP should be doable, I've never done it with PAM but I have hooked up things to AD LDAP
13:30
idunno what your use case is
13:32
VirtualBox running LXDE, dual-booting LTSP, NoMachine NX, VNC... there are so many options
13:32
<Nitrigaur>
quinox1, This is my use case: We run a small institution (non-profit) serving about 25 users. They need to be able to start a XWindow session with full desktop environment from a windows gateway server that they have access to.
13:33
<quinox1>
you can run X on Windows as well, then use the Windows as desktop env?
13:33
<Nitrigaur>
VNC already needs a running logged in version to connect to, or am I am making the wrong assumption here?
13:34
version -> Desktop session.
13:35
quinox1, you mean using CygWin or something similar?
13:36
<alkisg>
Nitrigaur: can you specify this? what OS will the clients run, and what OS will they connect to
13:37
<Nitrigaur>
alkisg, sure: The clients will use windows 7+ and the server that contains the applications they need to run is a linux server.
13:37
<alkisg>
Nitrigaur: ok, then x2go
13:37
!x2go
13:37
<ltsp>
x2go: x2go is an NX-based suite of applications that allow logging in to a remote X server from any OS. It's much more efficient than VNC over slow network. More info: http://www.x2go.org/
13:39
<Nitrigaur>
alkisg, Isn't NX a commercial product?
13:39
<alkisg>
x2go is open source
13:39
nx is commercial, with a smaller free version
13:39
I suggest x2go
13:39
<Nitrigaur>
alkisg, Wow! that sounds good! Thanks for the link!
13:40
<alkisg>
np
13:40
There's also xrdp if you'll need it
13:40
You'd install xrdp-server on the linux server, and then use the windows mstsc rdp client
13:40
But try x2go first
13:41
<Nitrigaur>
I will, thanks again.
13:45
Maybe someday, the institution will eschew Windows as a desktop environment and we'll use ltsp. Currently, most of our partners are staunch Windows addicts, which leaves us no choice than to run Windows on the desktop :-(
13:46
<alkisg>
it's also possible to netboot linux/ltsp, and use windows either with rdp or vm
13:46
<quinox1>
whatever gets the job done
13:47
<Nitrigaur>
quinox1, indeed.
13:50
alkisg, true, but Windows terminal seat liceneses are more expensive than local Windows installations (mostly included in the sale price of the desktop machines) on the small scale that we work in.
13:51
alkisg, our government and the EU federal government would do themselves a favour if they would ban the "Windows tax" on new machines, but they are hopelessly addicated to RedMond as well. A sad reality.
13:52
<alkisg>
Nitrigaur: afaik you can run the local windows in a vm; nothing prohibits that
13:54
<Nitrigaur>
alkisg, most licenses of Windows7-10 below Enterprise level unfortunately are illegal to run in a VM if you read the license carefully. This is ignored widely by individuals, but we cannot afford to do that on institution level.
13:56
Not everything runs as well in a VM as on a regular machine, but VM's do get better and better in that regard.
13:58
alkisg, quinox1, I got to run to the shop and do some groceries now. Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction :-D
13:58
<alkisg>
It's been a long time since I asked microsoft about it, it might have been for windows 7 home
13:58
bb
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17:29
<SmashK>
Hi
17:29
I alreday have my LTSP on amd64
17:29
whats the fastest way to add an i386-image to it?
17:35
<alkisg>
ltsp-build-client -arch i386
17:45
<SmashK>
and the menu to select what I want to boot?
17:47
<alkisg>
You can either use pxelinux's ifcpu to autoselect, or create a dnsmasq/pxe menu, or a pxelinux menu
17:48
<SmashK>
do I need to restart the server after ltsp-build-client?
17:48
<alkisg>
In general though, there's no need for all that complication
17:48
Usually one i386 chroot is good for all the clients
17:48
<SmashK>
yup, I set up the server as amd64
17:49
but one old client cant use 64bit (PentiumIII), so I have to add an old i386 version
17:49
<alkisg>
OK, you can use the old i386 version for all the clients
17:49
So that you don't need menus etc
17:51
<SmashK>
build crashed
17:51
<alkisg>
Do you have any client with more than 8 gb ram?
17:52
<SmashK>
not enough place in /var/cache/apt/archives
17:52
damn it
17:52
no
17:52
<alkisg>
Does your server have more than 8 gb ram?
17:52
<SmashK>
I could setup one in a virtBox-machine
17:53
nope
17:53
gave him 4 I think
17:53
<alkisg>
Then why don't you use the i386 installation everywhere?
17:53
It's much simpler, with no real performance loss...
17:53
<SmashK>
nope, just 2gb
17:53
<alkisg>
You lose 10% speed, you gain 20% ram, so i386 is just fine
17:54
<SmashK>
everything setup from fresh?
17:54
<alkisg>
That's what I would do, yes
17:54
But if you want a complicated setup.... sure, go for it :)
17:54
<SmashK>
as long as you are online to do that magic ipappend 2-stuf again :D
17:55
<alkisg>
Hehe
17:55
If you follow the instructions in time, that won't be needed
17:55
You did the instructions later, out of order, that's why it was needed
18:01
<SmashK>
in rather old versions of Ubuntu-Servers (10.04 and 12.04) there was an option to select "Install a LTSP-server" in the F6-menu of Install-DVD
18:01
is tehre anything like that in actuall versions?
18:12
<alkisg>
No, it wasn't very useful and it was removed
18:13
Most installations use ltsp fat clients nowadays, not thin clients, like that setup did
18:14
The server cd doesn't even have a desktop environment,it's not suitable for ltsp
18:15
<SmashK>
thx
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20:36
<SmashK>
dropped the new i386 install
20:36
cant even find the site where the easy ltsp-install-process was explained
20:37
<alkisg>
!ltsp-manager
20:37
<ltsp>
ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
20:37
<SmashK>
dont like the same long stuff again and again and again cause easy things arent explained on easy ways
20:58
pls link http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/Installation to http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation, so that noone needs to search for the easy things
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