IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 April 2018   (all times are UTC)

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07:45
<Chrisu_>
Good morning. Someone active at this time? Need some Help with Pinet
07:54
<alkisg>
Good morning Chrisu_
07:54
!pinet
07:54
<ltsp>
pinet: pinet doesn't use the upstream ltsp methods and is not supported in this channel. See !raspberrypi for supported methods.
07:54
<alkisg>
!raspberrypi
07:54
<ltsp>
raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
07:54
<alkisg>
Check #1 there, it's the recommended way to run ltsp in raspberries
07:58
<Chrisu_>
thx for your advise. i will check #1.
07:58
<alkisg>
np
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10:41
<bcg>
alkisg: there are three different things: 1) fedora 2) epel 3) rhel.
10:41
fedora would be the easiest. it probably needs python2->3 conversion (ldminfod, others), some minor cleanup and testing.
10:42
epel is easier after fedora than directly, but doesn't need py3.
10:42
rhel would need some paying customer.
10:44
What I have is non-distro epel/rhel compatible packages.
10:47
for most rhel users epel is enough, so there is no need to get it to rhel.
10:53
<Hyperbyte>
bcg, you're talking about an LTSP version for RedHat based distros?
10:53
<bcg>
I'm still using nfs root. I would like to switch to nbd before requesting to fed/epel.
10:53
yes.
10:54
<Hyperbyte>
bcg, you're saying Fedora would be easiest - the whole reason why Warren Togami stopped with maintaing LTSP for Fedora is because of the insane bleeding edge pace with which Fedora pumps out releases.
10:54
It'd require administrators to upgrade their server's distro every year and every year there's some new technology or something that breaks LTSP.
10:54
systemd, wayland, gnome3, compositing-only window managers, python, etc...
10:55
It was too much work for him. I believe a CentOS compatible version lived for a while, but that also broke because of .... can't remember.
10:55
<bcg>
Well, I've been running Fedora on my laptop for years and rhel on my servers.
10:56
I've also ported ltsp to rhel6 and 7, running them on production systems with hundreds of terminal.
10:56
<Hyperbyte>
Oh don't get me wrong - I'm not bashing Fedora. I use it on every machine I have that requires the latest technology.
10:57
I'm just saying, as a server maintainer for a few companies, I'm very happy with Ubuntu's pace of deploying a new version every 2 to 4 years (whatever customer prefers), as opposed to an urgent need to roll out a whole new distro every year.
10:57
<bcg>
So what's missing from ltsp/epel is basically "the last mile".
10:57
Me too, that's why I'm running rhel on servers.
10:58
<Hyperbyte>
Right, for RHEL and CentOS a working version of LTSP makes more sense. But I ran into the issue where the desktop and versions of LibreOffice, GIMP, etc were too outdated in some cases.
10:59
So I ended up virtualizing the LTSP servers, with a CentOS powered server, and Ubuntu VM serving LTSP thin clients.
11:01
<bcg>
I have rhel(ish) all the way, from vm-server to virtual ltsp server to ltsp thin and fat clients.
11:02
I'm mostly running firefox only on clients, sometimes libreoffice too.
13:14
<alkisg>
bcg, Hyperbyte, from the ltsp upstream point of view, if one maintains e.g. a redhat folder upstream, it doesn't matter if he's only publishing his work in fedora or epel or rhel
13:14
So bcg, if you published your packages to fedora, I'd be more than happy to propose that you get upstream commit access, along with welcoming your packaging tree
13:15
As another example, I'm maintaining Ubuntu support for LTSP, but I don't really care about non LTS Ubuntu releases; LTSP users will just have to accept that :D
13:39
<bcg>
alkisg: rhel/fedora packaging is just one single .spec file, nothing more. It could be on repo root or in some subdir. Having another repo for that feels overkill.
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14:04
<alkisg>
bcg: subdir is fine
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