IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 28 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<ogra>
heh
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<jammcq>
ogra: hey
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<ogra>
as if we had just met :)
00:51
<jammcq>
heh
00:51
ogra: you back to your room already?
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<ogra>
yup
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<jammcq>
oh way, you left before us :)
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we stayed for a couple minutes, saying goodbye's to everyone else
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<ogra>
no further beer plans ?
00:53* ogra heard rcy suggesting a box of beer in the park :)
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<itai-michaelson>
hello, i'm planning to set up some clients in a crowded office, the office currently has one box (which will be the server). this box is connected to a file server in another room. i was wondering if the terminal clients will be able to share files with the server in the other room
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<jammcq>
no beer here, too full
00:53
itai-michaelson: certainly
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as long as the LTSP server and the File server can see each other
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<ogra>
the clients dont actually have any files on them ... its all happening on the server
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<itai-michaelson>
jammcq, i just heard of ltsp 5 min ago so excuse my ignorance. a regular Ubuntu with 1Gb memory will be enough to drive 3 clients?
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<ogra>
easily
00:55
<jammcq>
yes
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<itai-michaelson>
can you point me to some good websites about ltsp?
00:56
<ogra>
well, if you want ubuntu ...
00:56
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<ogra>
see the second link
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and drop the LTSPQuickInstall for more ubuntu docs on it
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<itai-michaelson>
can the clients be wireless?
00:57
<ogra>
http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ has also a lot of info on ltsp5 (the implementation is identical to the ubuntu one)
00:57
for general ltsp info and how it works see wiki.ltsp.org
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<jammcq>
itai-michaelson: wireless isn't easy with ltsp yet
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<ogra>
there is no wlan implementation yet (doesnt mean that you cant hack up one on your own though)
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<itai-michaelson>
jammcq, when you say "isn't easy" do u mean not supported?
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<jammcq>
well, some people are doing it with wireless bridges
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<itai-michaelson>
cause i'm basically looking for something without any wires
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<jammcq>
ie, each client contains a normal wired nick, and they plug those into a wireless bridge, to connect back to the server
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<itai-michaelson>
jammcq, how?
01:00
oh
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLTSPClientsUsingAnEthernetBridge
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<mikere>
jammcq: itai-michaelson wants to use dumb terminals - monitor keyboard and as little else as he can get away with as this is a solution to a space problem.
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jammcq: I sent him this way because I figured if anyone on usenet knew a solution for him it would be here.
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oops, not usenet, irc =)
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<itai-michaelson>
mikere, thanks, i got some assistance here
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<mikere>
itai-michaelson: yes. But they need to know you want dumb terminals of some sort rather than minimal specced boxes for client.
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<jammcq>
well, what do you mean by "dumb terminal" ? It at least needs a cpu, memory, network interface and video card
01:09
in my world, dumb terminal means something like an old Wyse-60 or Televideo terminal
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<itai-michaelson>
jammcq, i need something very small that i can put on an office table
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<jammcq>
that's just a thin client
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<ogra>
yeah
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<jammcq>
take a look at http://www.DisklessWorkstations.com
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<itai-michaelson>
jammcq, i suppose those dont have wireless pxe booting?
01:11* ogra suggests to not look at the 1000PXE
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<jammcq>
no such thing as "wireless pxe"
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<itai-michaelson>
sorry boot from wireless
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<jammcq>
no, nobody is booting from wireless, unless you connect a wireless bridge as I mentioned earlier
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<ogra>
you will have to use an ethernet bridge or hac up something yourself for initrmfs
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*initramfs
01:12
but that will stil need the kernel locally
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<itai-michaelson>
ogra, so it will need a harddisc?
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<ogra>
a flash disk, CF card, SD card or usb key would do as well
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<itai-michaelson>
ogra, which solution do u think is better?
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<ogra>
but there is no code written for such a setup yet, as i said below, you would have to come up with something yourself ... if you can have the kernel and initramfs locally it would be possible
01:15
depends on your programming skills :)
01:15
<itai-michaelson>
so i guess i will have to try with a wirelessbridge :-)
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<itai-michaelson>
ogra, why did you suggest not looking at the 1000pxe?
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<ogra>
its to low powered for a normal ltsp setup ... makes a good device for single app solutions (i.e. if you only run a database frontend) but is not so good for normal desktop use
01:19
the 1220s are pretty nice
01:20* ogra is feeling relief seeing that the version in the archive actually matches what he expected ... phew
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<jammcq>
heh
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<itai-michaelson>
ogra, but its much cheaper....
01:27
the clients would basically have to run firefox and open office, oh and they will need to be able to print
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<ogra>
itai-michaelson, if you look for a cheap one that works.... http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/models.html
01:28
the DBE61 is ok
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<itai-michaelson>
ogra, sadly i do not do the shopping, we need to buy from an external company , i was wondering if any diskless workstation would work with ltsp beacuse im living in a microsoft dominated society (china)
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<ogra>
most work, but dont go for the ebox (Term 1000) it will definately give you headdaches
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<itai-michaelson>
thank you all very much for the information, i will discuss this with my boss and hopefully return in a few days
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<ogra>
we're always here :)
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<sbalneav>
hooray, found my crash bug from this afternoon.
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<ogra>
yay
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seems after a good dinner all works out fine :)
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<sbalneav>
I was just faffing from about 5:00 today onwards. Too tired, and a head full of cotton batten, seemingly.
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<lejo>
moin
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<sbalneav>
[night. Fa;;ing asleep
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<itai-michaelson>
ogra, jammcq -are you still there?
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<rcy>
they are most likely sleeping
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<itai-michaelson>
rcy, i was wondering if this http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8878116441.html will work with ltsp
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"wireless thin client"
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<rcy>
I bet it could be made to work
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