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Channel log from 27 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<ari_stress>
afternoon
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<cyberorg>
how do i change the theme in ldm2?
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<ogra>
cyberorg, with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure --config ldm-theme
06:28
as you always did :)
06:28
(or as ldm always did, however yu like :) )
06:28
err ...
06:29
sorry, thats:
06:29
<cyberorg>
ogra, hi :)
06:29
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
06:29
(wrong command)
06:29
<cyberorg>
ogra, i am doing this on suse :D
06:30
i get nice ubuntu ldm2 theme, i have suse theme installed
06:30
or just copied over one of the theme folder called it suse and replaced the .pngs
06:30
<ogra>
well, update-alternatives uses a link system ...
06:30
it links the real theme dir to /etc/alternatives
06:30
<cyberorg>
ok, what do i need to link where?
06:31
<ogra>
which then gets linked to the default ir in ldm's theme dir
06:31
you could do that manually
06:31
ldm only cares for the default dir
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<cyberorg>
ogra, got it, i had forgotten how i had got it working with ldm
06:33
btw, the news it ldm2 work on suse 10.3
06:34
<ogra>
cool
06:36
<cyberorg>
we just had new member join us, captian_magnus, we set the task list here /opt/cvs/gutsy-ltsp/client/ldmgtkgreetc/themes/suse
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<cyberorg>
ogra, sorry wrong paste
06:38
http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP-Tasks
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<cyberorg>
there he is
06:40
<captain_magnus>
cyberorg: Huh? :-)
06:40
<cyberorg>
captain_magnus, ogra is one of the lead developer working on ltsp, he wrote ldm among other things
06:40
<captain_magnus>
ogra: G'day!
06:41
<ogra>
cyberorg, most credits for the new ldm go to sbalneav :) i only wrote the initial app and he added all the nifty features
06:41
hi captain_magnus
06:41
<cyberorg>
ogra, jammcq sbalnev make up a chunk of ltsp team, did i miss anyone?
06:41
<ogra>
vagrantc
06:41
<cyberorg>
ah, right
06:41
<ogra>
Gadi and clibow ...
06:42
<cyberorg>
ogra, currently captain_magnus and i are people working on getting ltsp5 working on suse
06:42
<ogra>
constant development is only don by sbalneav vagrant and me though
06:42
sounds great
06:42
looking forward to get somehing to merge to the main tree :)
06:43
<captain_magnus>
cyberorg: Speak for yourself :-) I'm in learning mode... Figuringing out how ltsp works...
06:43
<cyberorg>
ogra, we are hoping to set up svn repo, captain_magnus almost finished (the begining of) setup scripts
06:44
<ogra>
could you please use bzr ?
06:44
importing svn is a pain
06:45
<captain_magnus>
ogra: No point of using bzr until we have something that works....
06:45
<cyberorg>
ogra, we dont have any server that offers that
06:45
yeah
06:45
<ogra>
you dont need any server for bzr
06:45
you can either just put the tree on a webserver you have access to or if you dont mind use launchpad and put your tree there
06:46
bzr only needs a http server
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<cyberorg>
we have requested novell forge project infrastructure, if that doesnt happen soon, then i may just put up bzr on my webserver
06:49
<ogra>
you dont even need bzr installed there :)
06:49
thats the big advantage of it
06:50
you just need to make your bzr tree available (tar it up and unpack, scp it or whatever you want to get it up to the server)
06:51
<cyberorg>
ogra, ok, i'll do a reading up on how it works :)
06:51
<ogra>
it makes life eyasier if you have ssh access to the server to just use bzr push for commiting your changes, but its not mandatory at all
06:52
<cyberorg>
can we pust the changes on online repo without ssh access?
06:53
<ogra>
well, you need any kind of access, but as i said, you can as well just tar up the tree and unpack it in your webroot
06:53
<cyberorg>
ogra, that limits us, as we are on different continent :)
06:53
<ogra>
or use rsync ... or ftp ... i think it also has a webdav module, but not sure (i usually only use sftp (ssh))
06:53
<cyberorg>
we need same tree to work on
06:53
<ogra>
right
06:54
we all do :)
06:55
cyberorg, there is an error on your wikipage, scotts-gutsy is only ldm development
06:56
<cyberorg>
ok, which is the tree that we need to work on?
06:56
<ogra>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp is the current dev tree, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline is the current upstream (merged) tree
06:57
gutsy-ltsp is the one you should use ... it will get merged back to mainline if everything is stable
06:57
<cyberorg>
both of us have http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/
06:58
<ogra>
(scotts-gutsy gets regulary merged if sbalneav gives me a sign that his hacking is stable enough, his treem might have weird breakage at times, so be careful with it)
06:58
cyberorg, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP-Tasks has a link at the bottom
06:58
that points to scotts-gutsy
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<cyberorg>
does the gutsy-ltsp have all the nbd root you were planning?
06:59
<ogra>
yes
06:59
thats oin since some months
06:59
*in
06:59
<cyberorg>
cool, i have just filed an enhancement to get that in kiwi netboot image
06:59
<ogra>
heh, that migth become fun for the kiwi devs :)
07:00* ogra had a lot of fun implementing it :)
07:01
<ogra>
but notre taht you are not bound to nbd ... we wont drop support for nfs roots. if people want it its two variables and two commands to switch back
07:02
<cyberorg>
ogra, schaefi - the kiwi developer was thrilled about getting that working :)
07:02
<ogra>
ah, cool then :)
07:02* ogra needs to go afk for a whoile again
07:02
<ogra>
bbl
07:03
<cyberorg>
ogra, ciao, we will keep picking your brains now
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<jamiej>
anyone got skype and pulse working together. I Can't get skype to see the sound card. usesd padsp. Egika the sound goes all funny.
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<sbalneav>
ogra: You there, dude?
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<nglbrkr9>
suppose I have two identical thin clients sitting next to each other. One always comes up in 1024, like it should, but the other always comes up in 640x480. Any ideas?
08:39
<klausade>
anybody coma across machines that will not pxe-boot when dhcp-server and tftp-server is not on the same machine, when one must use next-server. But when dhcp and tftp is on the same machine no problem? If I use etherboot floppy they boot.
08:40
nglbrkr9: check the bios, on might have more ram given to the videocard than the other. plenty of dell machines are like that.
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<nglbrkr9>
will do, thanks
08:44
<vagrantc>
klausade: do you get any kind of error message ?
08:45
nglbrkr9: you could also try to force the resolution with X_MODE_0=1024x768 in lts.conf
08:49
<nglbrkr9>
Thanks. will try that also. thing is, they have been running fine for two years already.
08:49
<klausade>
vagrantc: no, it just stands there, like in http://skolelinux.no/~klaus/timeout.png
08:50
vagrantc: I have 100 other machines that works just fine with next-server, just not this kind.
08:50
<ogra>
nglbrkr9, if they have worked for the last 2 years and suddelny stopped working i'd rather suspect a HW fault
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<vagrantc>
klausade: how'd you get that screenshot ?
08:51
i have been having problems with intel cards with boot aget 3.0.5+ ...
08:51
<klausade>
vagrantc: minicom remote access box.
08:52
<vagrantc>
PXE-E55: Proxy DHCP service did not reply to request on port 4011
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<klausade>
vagrantc: any lvm with ip should do.
08:52
s/lvm/kvm
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<vagrantc>
port 4011 seems to be the pxe protocol ... i installed the pxe daemon and a boot menu would show up .. though i'll be damned if i have a clue how to get the pxe daemon boot menu to download pxelinux.0
08:55
<klausade>
vagrantc: what kind of cards is this? new ones?
08:56
<vagrantc>
klausade: not particularly new
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<vagrantc>
i'm actually finding some possibly useful information from support.microsoft.com ...
08:56
<klausade>
vagrantc: wow
08:56
<ogra>
lol
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<mvip>
I just have a question regarding how LTSP5 is supposed to work.....when you login using the GDMish interface...are you supposed to be logged into the server or the chrooted env?
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<mvip>
(login from the clients that is)
08:58
because the thing is, that when i login from the console, I get logged into the chrooted env.
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<ogra>
there is no version of ltsp that would you log in to a chroot :)
08:59
so in any case you'll end up on the server with all X logins we have
09:01
<mvip>
so when you login you're not supposed to end up in a chrooted env (/opt/ltsp/i386)
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<ogra>
no
09:01
thats only for booting
09:01
<mvip>
oh...ok
09:02
<ogra>
there is no way that you could end up in the chroot via X in the default setup
09:02
<mvip>
that what I was really confused about
09:02
but IIRC OpenOffice and tons of gnome stuff was installed into that env.
09:02
(runnning ubuntu 6.06 LTS server
09:02
<ogra>
how did you install it ?
09:03
oh
09:03
<mvip>
using the ubuntu package (ltsp-server-standalone)
09:03
<ogra>
!ubuntu
09:03
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
09:03
<mvip>
and then ltsp-build-client --arch i386
09:03
<ogra>
followed that howto ?
09:03
ok
09:03
thts fine
09:03
<mvip>
hold on
09:03
<ogra>
that wouldnt install any desktop stuff in the chroot
09:04
<mvip>
yeah, very similar
09:04
ok, my bad then
09:04
<ogra>
note that ubuntu server will need the ubuntu-desktop package installed (or any other desktop/window manager)
09:04
ltsp needs some desktop session on the server to log in to
09:04
<mvip>
yeah, I realzied that after hours of debuggin
09:05
(the guide I followed was http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Install_MueKow_on_Ubuntu)
09:05
<ogra>
This page aims to describe the quickest way to get a ltsp server running on an existing ubuntu or kubuntu (xubuntu comes with a ltsp option in the installer, edubuntu even sets up ltsp in its default install) desktop system.
09:05
<mvip>
well, then I guess my system is properly installed
09:05
<ogra>
(thats the second line on the official howto page)
09:06
note the last two words ;)
09:06
<mvip>
yeah..well..my biggest concern was that I setup the system incorrectly
09:07
<ogra>
mvip, that page you followed is horribly complicated and does a lot unneeded stuff
09:07
<mvip>
in particular since it will be deployed in a corp. env
09:07
really?
09:07
well...it's basically the same, right?
09:07* vagrantc wonders why people would use documentation from novell about installing ubuntu
09:07
<mvip>
although it might be more complicated
09:08
<ogra>
also 6.06 isnt the best platform ltsp5 wasnt feature complete back then ...
09:08
<mvip>
vagrantc, yeah, i foudn that funny too
09:08
ogra, the reason I chose 6.06 was because it's LTS
09:08
<ogra>
6.10 was the first one with all features 4.2 had ...
09:08
well, you wont have local device support with these
09:08
6.10 added that ...
09:09
<mvip>
ogra, you're saying that I can't get local support in 6.06?
09:09
<vagrantc>
not without a lot of work
09:09
<mvip>
at all
09:09
<ogra>
7.04 changed sound support from freaky hackish esd crap to use proper alsa emulation ...
09:09
so i'd really recommend 7.04
09:09
<mvip>
hmm
09:09
well, than maybe I should upgrade
09:09
<ogra>
next LTS will be 8.10
09:09
<mvip>
_before_ deployment =)
09:09
<ogra>
7.04 will be supported until then
09:10
<mvip>
the next LTS won't be out until next year or so, right?
09:10
<ogra>
8.10
09:10
(oct. 2008)
09:10
<mvip>
oh, that what it stands for...didn't know
09:11
but you're saying that 7.04 is the best ubuntu dist for LTSP deployment?
09:11
<ogra>
yep
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<mvip>
and sound and local devices is supported out-of-box?
09:11
<vagrantc>
and in a couple months, he'll say 7.10 is the best
09:12
<ogra>
well, that best is surely 8.04 ... but thats far from being done ;)
09:12
<Lumiere>
ogra: I thought gutsy+1 was LTS...
09:12
<ogra>
err
09:12
7.10
09:12
<mvip>
vagrantc, well..i need to deploy the system this week
09:12
<ogra>
Lumiere, oh, crap, indeed
09:12
8.04 is LTS
09:12
Lumiere, thanks for the heads up ... (i should know better :P)
09:13
<mvip>
ogra, ok, but does 7.04 come with sound and local device support out-of-box?
09:13
<ogra>
mvip, yup
09:13
<mvip>
sweet..
09:13
thanx
09:13
<ogra>
if you want a quick sneak preview, grab the edubuntu iso, install it on a two NIC server and have even the setup out of the box ...
09:14
a common edubuntu install takes < 1h and should work right away
09:14
<mvip>
ogra, I'm not sure if edubuntu is the best dist for an office env.
09:14
but i might be wrong
09:14
<ogra>
nah
09:14
+for a preview how it should be i mean ... indeed i ddint suggest to use it in the final deployment ;)
09:15
<mvip>
oh, haha
09:15
<ogra>
edubuntu is currently the easiest way to install ltsp ... thats waht i meant ;)
09:15
and if you are even to lazy for that: http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
09:15
you can also buy it preinstalled ;)
09:16
<mvip>
ogra, I know...system76 is cool, but they don't deliver to europe
09:16
<ogra>
(hmm, we should ask them for a ubuntu-ltsp setup as well :) )
09:16
<mvip>
and i'm deploying this system in Sweden...although i live in the US =)
09:16
<ogra>
mvip, yeah, sadly
09:17
<mvip>
..and neither does Dell btw
09:17
to Sweden that is
09:17
<ogra>
right
09:17
germany and france for now
09:17
and the uk i think
09:17
<mvip>
I was actually planning to buy a ready system
09:17
<ogra>
we'll get there some day ;)
09:18
<mvip>
actually, check out my article about hte deployment at PlayingWithWire.com
09:18
that's the deployment....in theory =)
09:18
<ogra>
you need mopre ram
09:18
(on the server)
09:19
<mvip>
2.5 Gb?
09:19
<ogra>
128M per running session ...
09:19
plus 256M for the server itself
09:19
makes about 1.5G
09:19
(with 10 clients)
09:19
<mvip>
well, the idea was to run the server + 10 clients on 2.5 Gb...i thing that's enough
09:20
<ogra>
oh, your table says 512M for the server
09:20
<mvip>
yeah...plus extra modules (2GB)
09:20
the stock ones are too procy
09:20
pricy
09:20
<ogra>
oh, blind me :)
09:20
<mvip>
=)
09:21
but you're right..512 is not enough...
09:21
that's what i'm running on right now with 2 clients
09:21
and it's already maxing out
09:21
<ogra>
also i would consider running it in 32bit mode ... you wont gain much for 64bit with less than 4G ram .... and 64bit brings a lot of probs with it wrt java and flash
09:21
<mvip>
really?
09:22
well, worst case you step back to 32bit, right?
09:22
<ogra>
well, there is no flash for 64bit...
09:22
you cant "just switch"
09:22
<mvip>
dang
09:22
<ogra>
all packages are compiled for either 32 or 64 biot mode
09:22
so that would need a reinstall
09:22
<mvip>
dang
09:23
<ogra>
i bet there are tons of hacks and workarounds for flash on 64bit ... but all are hacks or workarounds ... might break upgrades etc
09:23
<mvip>
true indeed
09:23
<ogra>
anyway, i need to go afk again ... bbl ...
09:23
<mvip>
well, thanks dude
09:24
it sure clearified a tone
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<kusznir>
Hi all: Quick question: In ltsp4.2, is it possible to specify wildcard-based host definitions in lts.conf? (eg, [lab*.mydomain.com] to include lab01.mydomain.com, lab02.mydomain.com, etc.)?
10:19
<sbalneav>
kusznir: No, sorry, it's not.
10:20
<kusznir>
ok, thanks!
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<vagrantc>
kusznir: that's a nice feature request, though
10:57
i could really use that
10:57
or 192.168.2.*
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10.*
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etc
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: You're going to be in Boston, right?
11:10
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hope so
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<sbalneav>
Lets you and I sit down for a half an hour, and figure out what features you want out of sdm, and get them rolled into ldm. As well, we can come up with an outline for a low-end greeter, purely xlib based.
11:12
There's no sense you and I working on maintaining two separate login managers :)
11:12
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: that would be good
11:12
indeed.
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<sbalneav>
I think they're pretty close, only thing I know of differing between the two is that failover feature you wanted, which wouldn't be that hard to implement, and a lighter weight greeter, with no kde or gnome deps.
11:13
<vagrantc>
it's not a failover feature
11:14
we have two login servers, one for anonymous users who walk in off the street, and one for users who we give accounts to ...
11:15
<sbalneav>
Well, failover for people who don't have accounts on the login machine :) What would be a good one-word summary for that feature?
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<vagrantc>
how we have SDM configured is: if no user i specified, it defaults to logging in to the anonymous server with the username set as the hostname
11:16
and if a user is specified, it logs into a different server
11:16
<sbalneav>
Anonymous login?
11:16
<vagrantc>
not sure what to call it..
11:17
<sbalneav>
Well, whatever we call it, we should get it in there :)
11:17
<vagrantc>
i.e. if i'm sitting at ws01, i hit the login button... it logs into ws01@anonymous-server
11:17
<sbalneav>
got it.
11:17
<vagrantc>
if i enter a username, it logs in as username@user-server
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<sbalneav>
For the lightweight greeter, would athena widgets be ok? Or does even that pull in a dep you don't want?
11:18
<vagrantc>
well, i'm just using Xdialog
11:18
which is gtk based
11:19
how heavy is the existing greeter ?
11:19
<sbalneav>
Not that heavy. But it does rely on the gtk libs
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<sbalneav>
Biggest thing is the 200+k background image it loads :)
11:20
Maybe the existing greeter, but a lightweight "theme" with just a background colour?
11:20
<vagrantc>
yeah, that would probably be perfect
11:21
<sbalneav>
I'd also like to snag a KDE boffin, see if I can bribe them with beer to write us a QT greeter. I'm sure someone who knows what they're doing could bash one out in a day or two.
11:22
Once the main greeter's done, I could probably handle changes/maintenance. I seem to be doing alright with the gtk one, even though I don't know much about Gnome programming.
11:22
I'm wondering if Aaron Seigo would be willing to do it.
11:22
<vagrantc>
one of the kubuntu folks lives in portland, no ?
11:25
sbalneav: where did you grab the translation updates from ?
11:25
<sbalneav>
You.
11:25
<vagrantc>
which of my 20-some branches ?
11:25
<sbalneav>
I beleive
11:25
errr
11:25
I'd have to check at home.
11:25
Did I grab the wrong ones?
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<vagrantc>
they look really old
11:27
<sbalneav>
Hrm.
11:27
<cliebow>
sbalneav: pull some strings and get me invited to Boston ??
11:27
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the entire debconf templates have been re-written and reviewed by the debian-l10n-english team
11:27
<sbalneav>
Maybe I should just revert all that stuff then?
11:28
<vagrantc>
no idea
11:28
<sbalneav>
Ogra didn't like them particularily, either. I probably mucked something up.
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<vagrantc>
bzr's cherry-picking sucks.
11:31
sbalneav: so, we're starting to exhibit coding style schizophrenia ...
11:31
<sbalneav>
yeah. We should probably talk about that, too.
11:32
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: you seem to prefer: [ -z "$FOO" ] && BAR .... whereas the rest of the code is mostly: if [ -z "$FOO" ]; then ; BAR
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<sbalneav>
Most of the C code in the tree's mine (ldm, ltspfs), but the shell's all over the place.
11:32
yeah, I always like the more compressed syntax, because you can fit more on the screen
11:32
<cliebow>
mmm..peanuts
11:33
<vagrantc>
i always prefer more explicit syntax because it's easier to read :)
11:33
<sbalneav>
But would you like me to use if .. else .. fi syntax? I'm happy to change my style.
11:33
OK, I'll use if-else from now on.
11:33
<vagrantc>
if it can fit on a single line, i'm fine with it ... but if it takes multiple lines, i tend to go with the full if ; then construct
11:34
though when it fits on a single line, i like to use test
11:34
i.e. test -z "$FOO" && BAR
11:34
<sbalneav>
ok
11:34
<vagrantc>
but these are just my preferences
11:34
we need to pick something and stick to it
11:35
<klausade>
vagrantc: I think that why some of my clients can't handle next-server is because of some of my cisco switches, probably some multicast stuff.
11:35
<sbalneav>
Well, you, I and ogra are the primary "coders", for lack of a better term. I'm happy to do anything. Is my C style good for you?
11:35
<vagrantc>
klausade: yeah, i was stumbling across multicast stuff with my problem ... though i only understand multicast from a purely vague theoretical idea ... not any real experience
11:36
<sbalneav>
It's a slightly modified k&r
11:36
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i don't really know C ... so
11:37
sbalneav: what really caught my attention is when you changed lots of code to use the different style ... :P
11:38
a little bit of coding style change formnew code is one thing, but to change the existing conventions :P
11:40
<sbalneav>
Well, anything I touch, I clean up to the way I like it. Perhaps that was rude of me, really, thinking back, I probably should have checked. Mea culpa.
11:40
I just sort of do it as a habit.
11:41
I don't want to make any big changes in my tree right ATM, however, after the gutsy release, I'll go through and set things back to our standard.
11:41
<vagrantc>
i have the same tendency in my heart, but have learned to stop it in practice :)
11:42
sbalneav: i don't think those changes hit gutsy yet ... at least not the gutsy bzr branch
11:43
<sbalneav>
Hmm, so maybe I still have time.
11:43
OK, I'll shuffle through and fix a few things up.
11:43
<vagrantc>
the other codingstyle thing we agreed to was 4 spaces for indents
11:43
no tabs, except when necessary
11:43
(i.e. make files)
11:44
<sbalneav>
Yeah, that's the same for me.
11:44
<vagrantc>
oh, it looks like the gutsy bzr branch is outdated
11:44
ogra: :P
11:45
ogra: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/ only contains up to 5.0.22 ... but 5.0.24 is uploaded to gutsy
11:48
<sbalneav>
Want me to add a "shell scripting conventions" document?
11:48
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: sure
11:48
<sbalneav>
Or maybe a "coding style"
11:48
might be helpful.
11:48
OK, I'll fix up some stuff.
11:50
<cliebow>
cool..
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<sbalneav>
Here's a good one for you...
11:51
Just looking at ltsp_config
11:51
where we have a 3 condition check...
11:51
so, which do you prefer..
11:51
if [ .. ] && [ .. ] && [ .. ]; fi, or
11:52
if [ .. -a .. -a .. ]; fi
11:52
<vagrantc>
i prefer ] && [
11:52
<sbalneav>
ok
11:52
<vagrantc>
it's more POSIX compliant
11:52
<sbalneav>
does dash have a builtin test?
11:52
<vagrantc>
i think so
11:52
dash supports [ .. -a .. ]
11:53
but other POSIX shells don't necessarily
11:56
sbalneav: some more patches: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
11:56
should shrink the packages noticeably
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<sbalneav>
Ditched the debian-edu themes?
12:16
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: debian-edu maintains their own themes in their own package
12:16
sbalneav: no sense shipping them
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: are you using client/themes at all anymore ?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: wishlist request for themes ... i'd like to be able to layer themes
12:36
i.e. have a themes/common directory with all the .png's that are shared ... and then ldm looksthere for any files it doesn't find in the specified theme
12:36
though i'm doing some clean-up work using symlinks
12:38
as a workaround
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<cliebow>
ls
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok, here's a few patches that symlink the common files instead of having a separate copy for each theme: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
12:47
xubuntu's bg.png is crazy huge
12:48
isn't xubuntu supposed to be the low-resource ubuntu variant? :)
12:51
all the different ubuntu branches should probably ship their own themes in their own package or something.
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<dan__t>
'afternoon, doods.
13:24
Anyone know of a way that I can make certain defaults possible in a new LTSP deployment, things such as making Firefox use a proxy, setting a home page, editing menus for the LTSP users, etc etc.
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<jbassett>
Hi guys
13:25
<dan__t>
Hello.
13:25
<jbassett>
Having issues logging into ltsp5 using ldm
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<dan__t>
And how about Fedora 7 integration? The Wiki hints to Spring of 2007.
13:25
<jbassett>
I am able to login if i load GDM as usual on screen 7
13:26
with LDM it takes my user/pass and then just restarts the LDM display
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i have run the sshkeys script and it copied the file ok it seems
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<dan__t>
Does /var/log/messages hint to anything?
13:29
Smells like pam not working properly.
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<jbassett>
not a sausage
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<dan__t>
er, /var/log/secure would be used for pam, sorry
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<jbassett>
i dont have secure
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<balbir_>
I tried to setup LTSP, but couldn't configure XDMCP
13:32
how can i connect to X server
13:32
I am using Ubuntu 7.10
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<jbassett>
also, i am unable to login at the console prompt on the client
13:33
my server user/passwords dont work
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<balbir_>
I enabled XDMCP=true in xorg.conf
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but couldn't get port no 177 in listening mode
13:33
<vagrantc>
jbassett: can you ssh to the server ?
13:33
<jbassett>
yep, im ssh'd in now from a Windows laptop
13:33
port 22 is fine
13:33
<vagrantc>
balbir_: in 7.10, ltsp uses ssh
13:33
<jbassett>
no firewalls running
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<vagrantc>
jbassett: as the same user ?
13:34
<balbir_>
I need to setup WYSE clinet using LTSP
13:34
<jbassett>
one of the same, have tried various
13:34
<balbir_>
WYSE client support ICA and RDP protocol
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<vagrantc>
balbir_: is your WYSE client running LTSP ? because then it would only support ICA and RDP if your installed the appropriate software.
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<vagrantc>
jbassett: which distro ?
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<jbassett>
Xandros 4.1 running ltsp5
13:36
debian tar
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<vagrantc>
jbassett: is /etc/X11/Xsession present and executable on the server ?
13:36
dan__t: ask the fedora folks about LTSP5 ... they've left us clueless
13:36
jbassett: is /etc/X11/Xsession present and executable on the server ?
13:36
<dan__t>
Oh ok, thanks.
13:36
<jbassett>
will check...
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<vagrantc>
jbassett: what's Xandros 4.1 based off of? or is it entirely it's own distro now?
13:37
<dan__t>
What do you mean, left you clueless?
13:37
<jbassett>
is it present but not executable
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<balbir_>
vagrantc: my WYSE client support only ICA and RDP, LTSP is not running in WYSE client, it's default embedded software
13:38
<jbassett>
based on Debian from what im aware of
13:38
i will make exe then retry
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<vagrantc>
balbir_: then you're not connecting to LTSP
13:39
balbir_: LTSP is just a collection of software to boot thin clients.
13:40
balbir_: no idea if there are ICA or RDP servers for LTSP
13:40
<dan__t>
Ok, I'm going to give LTSP5 a run on F7.
13:40
We'll see how that goes.
13:41
<vagrantc>
!integration
13:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
13:41
<vagrantc>
dan__t: check that out for a brief overview
13:41
<dan__t>
Thanks!
13:43
I think I read that Mr. Fenwick was working on F7 integration?
13:43
It's important enough to me right now that I might want to pick up on that.
13:44
<balbir_>
vagrantc: is there any recommended thin client server which is compatible with ICA|RDP
13:44
<vagrantc>
no idea
13:44
<balbir_>
vagrantc: I don't want to use WIndows 2008 server as a solution
13:44
I need to replace it
13:46
<jbassett>
nope, still not logging in
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<jbassett>
auth.info states after a kdm login attempt:
13:54
Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for rbassett from 172.16.1.92 port 3229 ssh2
13:54
(pam_unix) session opened for user rbassett by (uid=0)
13:55
sorry ldm login attempt
13:55
bu t them ldm login screen reappers
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<sbalneav>
jbassett: Which version?
13:57
feisty?
13:57
You might need to do a sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
13:57
<vagrantc>
yeah
13:57
<jbassett>
Xandros 4.1 using Debian .tar.bz2 version of ltsp5
13:57
done
13:57
still no luck
13:58
<vagrantc>
no .. if it's accepting the password, it's not a key problem ...
13:58
<jbassett>
can login with kdm on screen 7
13:58
<vagrantc>
jbassett: anything in ~user/.xsession-errors
13:58
<jbassett>
checking...
13:58
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: ok, I've cleaned up some stuff, and created a coding style document. Check in my tree, rev 445
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<jbassett>
yes...
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xsetroot: unable to open display ''
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ksplash: cannot connect to X server
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ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
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and some more
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: looks good so far :)
14:04
sbalneav: hopefully others will like it too :)
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<jbassett>
found this, very similar but they are not using ltsp i think:
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http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=375895
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<sbalneav>
I'd really like to tear into ogra's configure-x.sh script, and change all the mass \t and \n into a cat <<-EOF type syntax, but I'll leave that for a later date.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: more changes in my branch to merge :)
14:10
sbalneav: it's all theme related stuff
14:11
<sbalneav>
ok, cool
14:11
<vagrantc>
mostly replacing common files with symlinks
14:11
should result in smaller packages
14:12
we should also make an LTSP theme, and have that be the only theme included in LDM by default ... and have *ubuntu derivatives and debian* include packages that add their own
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<dan__t>
hrm, appears that ltsp-mainline does not exist anymore, per the !integration lin
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link, too.
14:19
<vagrantc>
oh yeah
14:19
<dan__t>
yeah
14:20
i'm trying to browse the tree to find a match
14:21
<vagrantc>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline/
14:21
that's the upstream source
14:21
er, new upstream
14:21
however
14:21
<dan__t>
You sure? heheh
14:21
<vagrantc>
well....
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<balbir_>
vagrantc: well, some basic question
14:22
<vagrantc>
depends on if you treat upstream as ubuntu or ltsp-drivers
14:22
<dan__t>
I see.
14:22
Is there just a "generic"?
14:22
<vagrantc>
that would be ltsp-drivers
14:22
<dan__t>
I'll be attempting this build over Fedora 7.
14:22
ok.
14:22
<vagrantc>
though ubuntu's changes will almost certainly propegate into that branch
14:22
<balbir_>
vagrantc: do thin client needs to be diskless desktop only
14:23
<vagrantc>
haven't yet merged ubuntu and debian
14:23
<dan__t>
hrm.
14:23
<vagrantc>
balbir_: could you rephrase the question
14:24
<dan__t>
I guess I"m just looking for some pure vanilla sources.
14:24
<balbir_>
vagrantc: do thin client needs to be diskless desktop only? like should it be some minimal hardware configuration,
14:25
vagrantc: so that we could use the phased out PC properly? or use it in a school or some non-profit organization?
14:26
<vagrantc>
dan__t: there is no such thing
14:26
<dan__t>
Guess it's 4.2 then
14:26
<vagrantc>
dan__t: upstream development on muekow was largely spearheaded by ubuntu
14:26
<dan__t>
Ah, I see it now.
14:26
Ok, well, I guess its 4.2 for me
14:27
<vagrantc>
but the major shift is that LTSP is no longer an entire distro of it's own ... you build the LTSP environment out of the host distro's packages
14:27
so you'd probably build a fedora LTSP out of fedora rpms
14:28
that's the idea behind it
14:29
dan__t: LTSP is now a small handful of scripts and binaries
14:29
dan__t: so the effort to port it to fedora is probably not a lot
14:30
in fact, considering all the time i've spent telling people "fedora doesn't have LTSP5" i could have probably ported it to fedora.
14:30* vagrantc considers building a fedora chroot somewhere
14:32
<vagrantc>
but i was kind of hoping someone familiar with fedora would do it.
14:33
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Once things calmed down a bit in October, I was planning on taking a Debian/Ubuntu chroot, and documenting how to get them going under Fedora.
14:33
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i can't imagine the effort to do a real port would be considerably more than documenting the frankenstein approach
14:34
<sbalneav>
Well, the problem will be finding someone on the fedora distro team with the power/authority/willingness to make the changes to the initramfs, and those sorts of things.
14:35
<dan__t>
Well, I'm someone familiar with Fedora.
14:35
But not so much with LTSP anymore.
14:35
So I'm just looking for a starting point.
14:35
<sbalneav>
You on the distro team?
14:35
<dan__t>
I don't need to be. I'll make my own spin, and submit it later if/when it works.
14:35
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: if you make all the changes and provide a local repository with all the modifications necessary, i'magine someone will pull it in
14:35
<dan__t>
For now, I need a starting point.
14:36
And that's exactly what I'm trying to piece together right now.
14:36
<sbalneav>
could be either my, or vagrantc's bzr tree.
14:36
<vagrantc>
dan__t: what tool do you use to build a chroot on fedora ?
14:37
i know there's some debian-isms in the debian/ubuntu code ... but we can fix those.
14:38
<dan__t>
It's been so long, I cannot tell you at this moment.
14:38
I've done it all by hand in the past, but someone had to ruin my fun and make a utility for it.
14:38
<vagrantc>
heh
14:39
<dan__t>
See if *I* ever spend tens of hours writing scripts to re-spin the bitch
14:39
*sigh*
14:39
<vagrantc>
if you can find the preferred utility for creating a chroot environment ... or write your own ... we're 85% of the way to LTSP5
14:40
<dan__t>
The name is on the tip of my tongue.
14:40
revisor
14:41
http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/
14:41
<vagrantc>
oh, a GUI utility isn't so good
14:42
<dan__t>
Nope.
14:43
<vagrantc>
dan__t: what about: yum --installroot=/opt/ltsp/i386 groupinstall Core
14:43
<dan__t>
That also works.
14:43
However, that only builds the tree to mount a share from.
14:44
<vagrantc>
what do you mean ?
14:44
<dan__t>
That won't get you any initrd hackery or anything that you guys are trying to do with debian.
14:44
<vagrantc>
yeah, but it's a start ...
14:44
<dan__t>
It is.
14:44
I have my core all set up just fine
14:44
<vagrantc>
do you have lsb_release for fedora ?
14:44
<dan__t>
lsb?
14:45
<vagrantc>
we use lsb_release to determine which distro and verison you're currently running
14:45
<dan__t>
er nm, duh.
14:45
yeah, hold on
14:45
That's a good idea.
14:45
What do you want to know of it?
14:45
<vagrantc>
lsb_release --id
14:45
<dan__t>
It's called redhat-lsb, btw
14:45
<vagrantc>
the package, or the script ?
14:45
<dan__t>
the package name is, anyway
14:45
sorry
14:46
Distributor ID: Fedora
14:46
<vagrantc>
excellent.
14:46
<dan__t>
lsb_release -id yields -> Description: Fedora release 7 (Moonshine)
14:46
that might work better.
14:46
ALlowing one to port to any recent versions of Fedora.
14:46
I would imagine, anyway...
14:47
<vagrantc>
lsb_release -i -s
14:47
<dan__t>
Fedora
14:47
<vagrantc>
perfect ...
14:47
<dan__t>
What are you getting at?
14:47
I don't mean to be a dolt, just wondering how I can help.
14:48
<vagrantc>
dan__t: i'm mentally walking through what ltsp-build-client does, and checking if it will break on you
14:48
<dan__t>
Ok, that's what I was looking for.
14:48
Remember asking for sources and stuff?
14:48
That's what I wanted.
14:48
<vagrantc>
dan__t: yes, well, you have several to choose from :P
14:48
<dan__t>
Where do I start? heh
14:48
And why several?
14:49
Just everyone's interpretation of what should be?
14:49
<vagrantc>
well, they are just branches off the same codebase
14:49
<dan__t>
Yeah.
14:49
<vagrantc>
eventually they merge back up
14:49
<dan__t>
So, where's the *original* codebase.
14:50
<vagrantc>
ltsp-drivers is the theoretical upstream
14:50
<dan__t>
yeah
14:50
beh.
14:51
well, shit.
14:51
<vagrantc>
debian and ubuntu both have lots of patches on top of that
14:51
<dan__t>
yeah.
14:51
<vagrantc>
do you have built-in support for unionfs and squashfs ?
14:51
in fedora ?
14:52
if not, i would go withthe debian branch, which uses NFS
14:52
just to get started
14:52
<dan__t>
Through FUSE, yeah.
14:52
But there's nothing wrong with NFS for the time being.
14:53
<vagrantc>
i think the debian branch is a little simpler to work with for the moment
14:53
<dan__t>
ahh
14:54
<vagrantc>
bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main/ pkg-ltsp-main
14:54
that would be my recommendation for a starting place
14:54
then we just need to provide some fedora plugins
14:58
dan__t: in fact, i've got a yum plugin for you already :)
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"vagrantc" pasted "/usr/share/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Fedora/010-yum-build-chroot" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/291
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<dan__t>
I'm doing absolutely nothing today
15:06
I mean like
15:06
Our company is supposedly getting bought out
15:06
brb
15:07
<vagrantc>
heh
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<dan__t>
k, sorry.
15:32
ok, so, what do we do now heh
15:34
<vagrantc>
dan__t: did you download the bzr branch ?
15:35
<dan__t>
I did not, hold on.
15:35
wait, the entire branch?
15:36
<vagrantc>
yeah
15:36
bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main/ pkg-ltsp-main
15:38
<dan__t>
Well, guess fedora doesn't like bzr all that much
15:38
give me a few.
15:39
wtf why not cvs or svn?
15:39
<whiprush_>
distributed is the new hotness
15:39
<vagrantc>
well, i balked at bzr at first, but i've grown to like it.
15:40
but yeah, distributed vcs is sexy.
15:41
well, i found a utility to build a fedora chroot on debian :)
15:48
dan__t: if you want to download a source tarball ... http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/
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<monteslu>
dan__t, you're in the phoenix area right?
16:04
<dan__t>
yes.
16:05
<monteslu>
thought I was the only ltsp user here :)
16:06
<dan__t>
you wish
16:06
<monteslu>
ok, one of the first
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<dan__t>
brb
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<sbalneav>
See you all later tonight.
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<mvip>
ogra, im back with a fresh 7.04 installation =)
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sound worked out-of-box indeed...
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however, Local Devices (usb-printers and USB-sticks etc.) appears to require som kind of modification to work....anyone want to offer me any help on how to get that working?
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(running ubuntu 7.04 Server)
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<vagrantc>
!localdev
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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<vagrantc>
!localdev #2
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "localdev" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!localdev 2
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "localdev" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
mvip: look at #2
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<vagrantc>
or not
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
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seems like fedora's run-parts isn't compatible with debian's
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the whole modules system is dependent on that
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we can re-implement it ... but ugh
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<gonzaloaf_work>
hello, I use ltsp 4.2, what do I have to do if I receive the message that the Ethernet Card was not detected at booting? then I receive a kernel panic
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<vagrantc>
ok, got a chroot built using ltsp-build-client
17:32
on *fedora*
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of course, getting a booting kernel is going to be trickier
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<dan__t>
hit me up with questions tonight, i'll have time then.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
any clue for me?
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<vagrantc>
!troubleshoot
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "troubleshoot" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!troubleshooting
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: any clues there ?
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<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, nop
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<vagrantc>
surely somewhere on wiki.ltsp.org there is something ...
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<gonzaloaf_work>
I have read about ISA cards, but I think I dont have a ISA card, integrated ethernet card are view as PCI right?
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<dan__t>
correct
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<vagrantc>
dan__t: wel, i've gotten as far as generating the fedora chroot and generating an initramfs image that might boot
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<dan__t>
werd
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<monteslu>
cool. maybe i can go back to fedora next summer
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: guess what i've been working on
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<jammcq>
ummm, learning to eat beef ?
19:43
<vagrantc>
almost the same thing!
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<jammcq>
hmm
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now i'm lost
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<vagrantc>
bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora
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<jammcq>
ooh man
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have you been talking to Scotty? he did some playing with that last week
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<vagrantc>
eventually i started thinking it would take less time to get a crude and basic implementation going than to tell people it didn't exist
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i mentioned it
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<dan__t>
I have a ~20-node network I can test on.
19:45
Just kinda swamped ATM
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<vagrantc>
scotty didn't mention anything about it
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: you playing with rpm and all those goodies ?
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<dan__t>
WARP SPEED?!
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I can RPM 'em.
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: thankfully, i can mostly use yum
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<jammcq>
yeah, but you need to create rpm packages, even for yum, don't you?
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<vagrantc>
dan__t: if i get the code working, can you turn them into rpms ?
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<dan__t>
I can.
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I can make a yum repo for them once they're solid
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Shit, I'll host it, too.
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: i'm just working on getting a plugin
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<dan__t>
That's how much this means to me.
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<jammcq>
ah
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<vagrantc>
and rooting out the debian-isms
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<jammcq>
I really *shouldn't* be that hard
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especially for someone who knows the internals of LTSP-5
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s/I/It/
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<dan__t>
See, I don't.
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But I know the internals of Fedora pretty damn well.
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<vagrantc>
someone who wrote the plugin system with the intention of supporting multiple distros
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: yeah, zackly
19:48* vagrantc wonders how to install bzr on fedora
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<dan__t>
I was wondering the exact same thing.
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<vagrantc>
gah, probably not worth it ...
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<dan__t>
phone, brb.
19:48
Sorry for doing this.
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<vagrantc>
since i'm working in a chroot, i'll just do checkouts outside of the chroot and copy them in or something
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man, just hit a bunch of fedora updates since i started
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<vagrantc>
some fixes for fedora pending
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora
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i just couldn't resist
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<sbalneav>
Oh, cool
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How far you get?
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<vagrantc>
it builds a chroot, tweaks the initramfs to to network boot ...
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no idea if it works
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<sbalneav>
Wow!
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vagrantc++
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<vagrantc>
first time i have ever run fedora.
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yay for chroots
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adios
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<TheProf>
Hello - very quick basic question: the k12ltsp server crashed (i believe there was a power failure and that is when I learned the UPS it is connected to is dead. Argh). It will now crash during the bootup process
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with a kernel panic. it doesn't detect any logical drives of the LVM.
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Now, when you boot up the server, it gives you two FC installations to pick. Letting it go to the default crashes. Picking the second one (seems to have a different kernel name) doesn't crash, as I am on it now.
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My question is: can I just pop in a knoppix CD and run fsck to fix this magically?
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<sbalneav>
You have backups, right?
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<TheProf>
just made them 2 days ago
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<sbalneav>
And you've tested them? :)
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<TheProf>
ahem..sure :)
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I backup in two ways.
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1) rsync /home, root, etc, var to another machine nightly
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2) Mondoarchive full CD image backups
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but never tested them.
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sbalneav, can I take it you think the machine's toast?
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Can't I just scandisk it or something ;)
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<sbalneav>
No, I think it's unsafe to take any corrective action which may permanently affect the machine until you're sure you can recover if the worst happens.
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<TheProf>
I set up the new server a couple of weeks ago. School has not yet started so there isn't really a problem if the machine died.
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I would like to learn how to use fsck, if that is the right tool for this.
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<sbalneav>
The fsck's probably already run.
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The machine wouldn't boot without a clean filesystem
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<TheProf>
But I had to pick the other kernel during boot.
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Can I use yum to remove it and then reinstall it?
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<sbalneav>
Well, without some indication as to WHAT the other kernel is, I can't really advise you. All I know so far is you have two kernels on the machine: one that boots, and another that doesn't. Do you need that other kernel? Was it one you installed for a reason?
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<TheProf>
from what I understand from this link: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=124247 it is just an update
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I had installed the one that was with the initial k12ltsp v6 (FC4 I think) and there was an update that yum grabbed
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<sbalneav>
ok, how does it crash? That may be an indication of other problems.
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<TheProf>
power failure.
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and the UPS seems to have been dead
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so it just crashed
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'last' seems to show it crashed Saturday
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<sbalneav>
No, I mean how does the other kernel crash on startup?
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<TheProf>
ah. My apologies.
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I can reboot and get the exact message if you think that would help.
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<sbalneav>
Well, did that kernel USED to boot?
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<TheProf>
absolutely
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<sbalneav>
Then something's still wrong.
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<TheProf>
alright i'll reboot and get the error.
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One moment.
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<TheProf>
Phew.
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sbalneav, alright here's the situation
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if on boot you pick kernel 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 it works great
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if the default boots (2.6.22.1-32.fc6) then you get
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Finding all physical volumes
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No vol. group found
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Volume group "volgroup00" not found
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unable to access resume device /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01
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mount: can't find filesystem /dev/root
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setuproot: moving /dev failed
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setuproot: error mounting /proc: no such file, etc.
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setuproot: error mounting /sys: no such file, etc
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switchroot: mount failed
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kernel panic: not syncing: attempting to kill init
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and that's it
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<sbalneav>
ok, you've lost some of your volume group data.
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<TheProf>
I follow you.
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<sbalneav>
I'm not familiar with Fedora, does their bootable disk have the lvm utils on it?
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You'll want to run lvmdiskscan -v -d, to see what the system thinks is there.
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Possibly a vgscan -d
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<TheProf>
possibly. I know that there are commands in grub related to lvm
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I do appreciate your help, I just have to go because my wife has come in to get me to go home. What direction do you recommend I proceed?
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<sbalneav>
Well, I'd read up on recovering lvm info, obviously, you've got some corruption there.
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<TheProf>
alright
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Thank you very much.
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<sbalneav>
NP
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<TheProf>
have a good night.
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<sbalneav>
Same to you!
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good luck
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<TheProf>
thanks
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<sbalneav>
Yikes.
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