IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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02:03
<alkisg>
vagrantc: will you be attending the BTS this year?
02:11
<highvoltage>
mgariepy said this week that we should raise funds to get alkisg at bts some time
02:11
(like, just get $5 from everyone who he helps on IRC then we'd have plenty enough :p)
02:11
<alkisg>
Hehe!!!
02:11
<highvoltage>
how is it going alkisg?
02:11
<alkisg>
Pretty well! I got the sysadmin-like job I wanted for the next 3 years,
02:12
so I'll be in charge of maintaining the school labs in my region... that means more ltsp installations in the map :D
02:13
I also managed to get ubuntu-defaults working, so we'll be shipping our own localized CDs/DVDs with gnome-fallback + greek educational software preinstalled
02:15
<highvoltage>
nice
02:16
<alkisg>
highvoltage: you'll be at BTS, right?
02:19
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i don't think i can manage all that travel
02:19
it's a bit far off the beaten path
02:19
<alkisg>
vagrantc: so no vagrantc, alkisg or gadi this year... :-/
02:20
Let's see what the others cook for us
02:20* alkisg hopes for LDMless LTSP
02:20
<vagrantc>
if i'm going that far out of my way, i may as well visit greece or something
02:21
<alkisg>
I can surely arrange a BTS here!!!
02:21* vagrantc hopes
02:21
<alkisg>
I might even be able to raise some funding for the event
02:21
<vagrantc>
beenn nudging you for some time now :)
02:22
<alkisg>
Let's nudge the other ltsp elders about it!
02:22
<vagrantc>
heh
02:23
alkisg: i think most folks would at least love the idea...
02:23* alkisg will try to bring that up for discussion at the BTS, even remotely...
02:23
<highvoltage>
alkisg: yep
02:23
<alkisg>
Cool
02:24
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: well we should really have one in greece
02:24
<vagrantc>
highvoltage: your neck of the woods would also be interesting to me, then i could spend a week or in montreal or something for my own reasons :)
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02:29
<highvoltage>
we're supposedly getting a montreal office soon (as in, the next month or so). maybe we could even do it there.
02:29
although... accomodation in mtl would be a lot more expensive so I guess that would be a blocker
02:30* vagrantc has some couch surfing options
02:30
<highvoltage>
well at least it's still close. maybe in 6 months or so. might be nice
02:30
informal couch surfing or are you a Couch Surger™?
02:30
*Surfer™
02:31
<vagrantc>
informal
02:32
it's funny how a site comes along and takes over the meaning of a concept
02:33
<highvoltage>
heh, yeah
02:34
well, goodnight alkisg and vagrantc!
02:34
<alkisg>
Goodnight highvoltage :)
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06:34
<mealstrom>
good morning
06:35
<muppis>
Haven't seen the good part yet. >)
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07:11
<Hyperbyte>
Hey!
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07:21
<mealstrom>
muppis: sleep,good,morning -- choose 2
07:22
<muppis>
Sleep and morning :D
07:22
<mealstrom>
i knew that :D
07:23
<muppis>
Well, that's obvious. :)
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09:14
<Hyperbyte>
I would choose "good sleep" myself. :P
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10:46
<rkwesk>
Hello. If I install Ubuntu 12.04 as follows: mini net w expert install so except grub no additional software
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10:47
<alkisg>
rkwesk: support for sch-scripts is much easier if you follow the installation guide... any reason for not doing so?
10:47
(hello!)
10:47
E.g. now you might be missing some package that was not met by the dependencies
10:47
<rkwesk>
Then add repos universe multiverse and xorg gnome-session-fallback gnome-core ubuntu-standard gedit
10:47
<alkisg>
If you have ssh port forwarding, I could have a look for missing stuff..
10:48
<rkwesk>
exactly my thought also. Especially with ssl certs
10:48
if you think it could help I'll set it up
10:49
<alkisg>
Sure
10:50
<rkwesk>
by the way what did the install guide say - go with full monty live ubuntu and add fallback and core?
10:50
<alkisg>
Install ubuntu live, then sch-scripts, that automatically installs all esle
10:50
*else
10:52
<rkwesk>
I'll reinstall with live
10:53
Thank you
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14:33
<mgariepy>
ls
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14:42
<alkisg>
ls: command not found
14:46
<mgariepy>
lol
14:46
dir ?
14:46
<alkisg>
Hehe, close, but / isn't mounted, so nope :P
14:50
<mgariepy>
alkisg, on ubuntu, when doing ltsp-update-image the tftp is updated before the image, i guess it shouldn't.
14:51
anyway brb in 5 minutes. need to reboot.
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14:55
<Hawkier>
hi, just english here?
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14:56
<Hawkier>
anybody using edubuntu 12.04 with thin clients 32 bits?
14:56
<mgariepy>
Hawkier, i do, 64 bit appserv and 32bit thin client.
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15:02
<servercbe>
hello! I am using edubuntu 12.04 LTSP, Versión 12.04 (precise) de 64-bit,,,,,Núcleo Linux 3.2.0-29-generic....GNOME 3.4.2 ...I am using Core i3, 6Gb Ram, 400 GB HDD, I am conecting 6 computers with ltsp, the problem is that I used to see all of them with epoptes but NOW I cant!!!!! I dont know whiy... any help please..
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15:05
<highvoltage>
hi servercbe
15:06
<servercbe>
hi
15:06
<highvoltage>
hang around, alkisg might be able to help you if he's an epoptes author and might be able to help you
15:06
<alkisg>
mgariepy: do you mean it should be updated after the image is updated? Why, does it make any difference?
15:07
servercbe: what changed?
15:07
servercbe: did you try rebooting the server?
15:08
<servercbe>
I dont know exactly.. I update the system, Turned it off and then epoptes didnt works again
15:08
<mgariepy>
alkisg, the difference is that it won't boot correctly from the update kernel until the image is ready,
15:09
<servercbe>
rebooting the server??
15:09
<alkisg>
mgariepy: true, and updating them later would be better for ltsp-pnp (==no chroot) as well, let's mark this somewhere, could you file a bug?
15:09
servercbe: ok lets run some commands and see
15:09
servercbe: sudo netstat -nap | grep 789
15:09
<servercbe>
ok
15:09
I am ready
15:10
<mgariepy>
alkisg, yeah no problem.
15:10
<servercbe>
all this commands on the server?
15:10
<alkisg>
Yes, unless I tell you that it's a client command
15:11
<servercbe>
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:789 0.0.0.0:* ESCUCHAR 1674/python unix 3 [ ] FLUJO CONECTADO 14789 2376/dbus-daemon @/tmp/dbus-TIh7l5Dw9u unix 3 [ ] FLUJO CONECTADO 12789 2421/polkit-gnome-a
15:11
<alkisg>
mgariepy: ty :)
15:11
servercbe: nice, now, can you get on irc from a thin client as well?
15:12
And then, from the client, run this on a gnome-terminal: epoptes-client
15:12
<servercbe>
terminal is not the same as gnome-terminal??
15:12
<alkisg>
It's the same
15:13
<servercbe>
ok... thanks and sorry
15:14
<mgariepy>
alkisg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1048689
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15:14
<mgariepy>
i'll fix that at BTS 2012
15:14
<alkisg>
Cool! :)
15:15
<serverterminal>
* Epoptes-client connecting to localhost:789... ...done. Device "eth1 eth0" does not exist. epoptes-client ERROR: Empty MAC
15:16
<alkisg>
serverterminal: so there's a bug there. Which epoptes version do you have? dpkg-query -W epoptes-client
15:18
<serverterminal>
epoptes-client 0.5.5-0ubuntu0.1
15:19
<alkisg>
serverterminal: please wait 1 minute to check if that was a known/solved bug...
15:19
<serverterminal>
ok..thanks
15:20
<alkisg>
No, it isn't. Can you give me your ip information? ip -oneline -family inet addr show
15:21
If for some reason you don't want to paste your IP publicly, you can PM it to me, in a private irc window
15:23
<serverterminal>
how?
15:23
<alkisg>
Check on the top of your browser, you should be seeing a window named "alkisg" now
15:23
Nice
15:25
serverterminal: hmm I have to go in 5 minutes... would you mind sharing a terminal with me, so that I see the problem more quickly? I'll be running some "ip" commands without changing anything in your server, and you'll be seeing the commands and their output...
15:26
If you agree, copy/paste this command: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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15:30* alkisg thinks his routes on eth0/eth1/lxcbr0 confused epoptes...
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15:38* alkisg will be back in a couple of hours, bb
15:38
<servercbe>
My system frozen! What happend?
15:38
<alkisg>
servercbe: no idea, it wasn't related to the commands we run
15:39
I have to go to the dentist, I'll be back in a couple of hours, if you can come back then
15:39
<servercbe>
3 or 4 hours
15:39
??
15:39
<alkisg>
2
15:39
<servercbe>
ok...
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<alkisg>
servercbe: ping?
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16:51
<servercbe>
hello?
16:51
<highvoltage>
alkisg: heh, I also have a dentist appointment today (in an hour, actually)
16:52
<servercbe>
alkisg
16:52* alkisg postponed it for tomorrow after all :)
16:52
<servercbe>
I am here
16:52
<alkisg>
hi servercbe
16:52
OK let's try it again
16:52
<servercbe>
ok
16:52
<alkisg>
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
16:53
<highvoltage>
I wish I could too, going to the dentist is not my idea of fun :)
16:53
<servercbe>
should I put it in the terminal?
16:53
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
16:53
<alkisg>
servercbe: yup
16:53
That will allow both of us to see your terminal
16:56
servercbe: I ran the commands that epoptes-client runs to detect the server ip etc
16:57
But I saw no problem there
16:57
<servercbe>
sorry.. I am restarting the thin client
16:57
<alkisg>
servercbe: so, what I need is access to the terminal where you saw the problem
16:58* alkisg disconnected from that terminal, run the command from the thin client when you're ready
16:58
<alkisg>
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
16:59
<servercbe>
ok
16:59
moment please
16:59
<alkisg>
Sure
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<servercbe>
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
17:07
<alkisg>
servercbe: I don't see the "empty mac" problem there either
17:07
<serverterminal>
it get stock always in this point
17:07
<alkisg>
serverterminal: it's ok that it doesn't return
17:07
Can you see the client from the server epoptes now?
17:07
<servercbe>
nop
17:10
<alkisg>
servercbe: on the server, please close epoptes, open a terminal, and there run: epoptes
17:10
And paste the output that you see in the terminal when the epoptes window opens
17:11
<servercbe>
servercbe@servercbe:~$ epoptes Got clients: 127.0.0.1:32969, 127.0.0.1:60909 --- **addClient's been called for 127.0.0.1:32969 Can't extract client information, won't add this client --- **addClient's been called for 127.0.0.1:60909 Can't extract client information, won't add this client
17:11
<alkisg>
Hmmm that's the problem...
17:12
<servercbe>
hmmm... what is it?
17:12
by the way.... THANKS FOR HELPING ME!
17:12
<Hawkier>
mgariepy: hello, sry for the long wait, r u using tftpd-hpa with you ltsp edubuntu? i was using and was not communicating, and i changed to atfpd and now it serves only the nbi.img not i386.img
17:14
<alkisg>
servercbe: I don't know yet, some of these IP-related commands breaks in your system. I'll need another shared console from the server, to enable the debug output, please wait a moment for me to set it up...
17:14
<servercbe>
OK..
17:14
take your time...
17:15
<alkisg>
servercbe: from the server: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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<mgariepy>
Hawkier, i use tftpd-hpa, the tftp server don't share the i386.img it's nbd-server that share this file.
17:17
<Hawkier>
ah ok, so, the log says "Sep 10 14:08:33 servidor atftpd[3014]: Serving /ltsp/i386/nbi.img to 192.168.20.21:2001"
17:17
and nothing more. what can be wrong
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<servercbe>
what is going on with the terminal... sounds interesting...
17:21
<Hawkier>
its just white screen, just got the ip
17:21
im from brazil and im trying to start the project in this school.
17:22
<alkisg>
servercbe: please check the server terminal again, need the pass there...
17:22
servercbe: I haven't yet found out the problem... some of the IP/CPU/etc parameters is missing and that's why the server refuses the client
17:23
<servercbe>
ok... do what you need to do please...
17:32
<alkisg>
servercbe: please be a little patient, me and the other dev, Phantomas, is investigating the output, but the weird part is that it looks fine...!!!
17:32
<servercbe>
ok..
17:32
no problem
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<alkisg>
servercbe: ok, found it, it was an older bug which has been solved
17:43
The weird thing is why you don't have it now, I thought the fix was backported in Ubuntu Precise
17:43
I'll check what went wrong with the ubuntu backport
17:43
Let me fix it manually now for you...
17:46
servercbe: can you see the client in the server epoptes now?
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17:47
<Phantomas>
hehe
17:48* alkisg is still connected via socat though... !
17:48
<alkisg>
The bug was this one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/324
17:48
So yeah, that didn't make it to precise, even with the backports
17:49
It happens when the server has 2 vga cards. I wonder why it worked for him before.
17:49
<Phantomas>
alkisg: I know it was this, but why it didn't make it to precise?
17:49
<alkisg>
The last backport to precise was 0.5.5
17:50
<Phantomas>
maybe he added a vga later
17:50
<alkisg>
http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/e/epoptes/epoptes_0.5.5-0ubuntu0.1/changelog
17:50
Or maybe a kernel update saw its second vga
17:50
Or he enabled it in the BIOS, whatever
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<servercbe>
sorry!!! I dont know what happend again.. my computer was frozen!!!
17:53
<Phantomas>
alkisg: Do you think that we should list the additional VGAs/NICs and mark the used one?
17:53
<servercbe>
Thanks for all what you've done
17:53
alkisg
17:54
<Phantomas>
servercbe: btw, have you recently added or enabled in BIOS a second VGA?
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<servercbe>
hello alkisg?
17:58
<alkisg>
servercbe: the problem was the 2 VGAs on the server, it was solved some months ago
17:58
But the solution didn't go to Ubuntu 12.04, it's only in Ubuntu 12.10 and in our PPA
17:58
I fixed it manually for you so it's fine now
17:59
<servercbe>
mmm... sorry... I dont know why I dont see it again...
17:59
<alkisg>
Did you restart the thin client?
17:59
<servercbe>
yes
17:59
<alkisg>
Heh. OK let's check again.
17:59
<servercbe>
ok...please
18:00
<alkisg>
server: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
18:00
client: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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<servercbe>
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S r
18:03
<serverterminal>
"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S r
18:03
<servercbe>
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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<serverterminal>
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
18:04
done
18:05
<alkisg>
serverterminal: hehe, it looks like you have 2 problems
18:05
One was the VGA, ok, fixed
18:05
And now we hit the other problem with the Empty MAC that you saw the first time!
18:05
OK, let's fix that one too
18:07
serverterminal: the problem is that you have 2 default routes
18:07
I'm not sure if that network configuration is considered valid
18:07
Let me fix it in epoptes-client... I'll need you to enter the pass again
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<servercbe>
oik
18:09
<alkisg>
servercbe: does it work now?
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<servercbe>
I cant use both vga card at the same time!. can you helpme?
18:10
<alkisg>
servercbe: err I don't understand, is that another issue? Is epoptes OK now?
18:11
<servercbe>
it is running
18:11
<alkisg>
Cool
18:11
<servercbe>
I will restart.. wait..
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<servercbe>
hello... Epoptes works!!!!
18:26
can you help me to work with the two video card?
18:26
<alkisg>
Nice, I'll commit the fix about the 2 default routes upstream
18:26
About the 2 video cards, try asking in the #ubuntu channel
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<vagrantc>
multiple routes... fancy.
18:43
<servercbe>
ok...thanks...
18:44
<vagrantc>
i've seen multiple routes configurations on a firewall... but an individual thin client level?
18:46
<alkisg>
It's on the server, possibly to prefer one connection over the other, when both of them are available at the same time
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<servercbe>
yes
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<alkisg>
servercbe: unrelated tip: if you install epoptes-client on the chroot, you'll be able to control the clients even before they login, check epoptes.org/installation for details.
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<stgraber>
alkisg: (assuming you'll read the log). Why was commit r2382 needed? looking at the jetpipe code, it's supposed to daemonize when not called with -d, is that broken?
21:13
mgariepy: ^
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