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Channel log from 2 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Faithful>
http://pastebin.com/849394
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
03:20
Hola a todos desde España
03:20
y Felíz Año Nuevo
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<daniQ>
cliebow - firefox crashing every few seconds...when i'm trying to check e-mail, look at news sites...etc.
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09:43
<Gadi>
Happy New Year, all
09:43
<ogra>
yeah, happy new year !
09:43* Gadi recalls back in the good ole days of 2006 talking about a really good SATA RAID controller from 3ware here
09:43
<Gadi>
does anyone recall that? And a model suggestion?
09:44* Gadi starts the year a bit OT :)
09:45
<jammcq>
ogra: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:45
<ogra>
hey hey
09:45
<jammcq>
ogra: you been travelling ?
09:45
<ogra>
nope
09:45
relaxing
09:45
<jammcq>
Gadi: the 3ware's are awesome
09:45
ogra: feeling well rested?
09:45
<ogra>
i actually managed to not touch my laptop for a wek
09:46
*week
09:46
<jammcq>
see, that wouldn't be relaxing for me
09:46
<ogra>
well, i just finished wading through my 2583 mails ...
09:46
(thats only my inbox after one week)
09:49
<Gadi>
jammcq: any particular model?
09:49
<jammcq>
Gadi: well, depends on whether you want sata or ide, and whether you have PCI or PCI-X
09:49
<Gadi>
jammcq: how much commission do you get?
09:49
;)
09:49
<jammcq>
I have a 9550 that is great
09:49
and I have some 7006's and 8006's
09:51
<Gadi>
cool, grazie
09:52
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation
09:52
oops
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<vykarian>
hye
10:53
<pscheie>
jammcq: are you still on?
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10:55
<jammcq>
pscheie: hey, what's up?
10:56
<pscheie>
On my k12ltsp 5 (ltsp 4.2) test setup, there's always a floppy icon on the desktop
10:56
even though there's no floppy drive on the client
10:57
<jammcq>
is there a floppy drive in the server?
10:57
<pscheie>
nope
10:57
<jammcq>
hmm
10:57
umm
10:57
<pscheie>
and it's recreated if I remove it
10:57
so something in udev thinks its there
10:57
<jammcq>
there's a way of telling gnome not to do that
10:58
if you log in on the console, do you see it?
10:58
<pscheie>
gnome is just looking in ~/Drives
10:58
<jammcq>
no
10:58
gnome gets udev events from the system
10:58
<pscheie>
no Floppy on console
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10:58
<jammcq>
hmm
10:58
somebody thinks there is a floppy
10:58
<pscheie>
I see the same thing on a test setup at home
10:59
<jammcq>
scotty is the guru on this stuff
10:59
<pscheie>
The only common thread is that I'm using these Dell laptops as clients
10:59
<jammcq>
is there a floppy controller on the client?
10:59
ah, there's still a floppy controller
10:59
<pscheie>
yeah, I havent' seen him on here for a bit, prolly 'laxing somewhere
10:59
ah, could be floppy controller on client
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11:00
<pscheie>
since I think they're supposed to be hot-swappable under Windows
11:00
let me check the bios on the client...
11:00
brb
11:04
jammcq: it's the cdrom drive that's triggering it
11:04
if I pull it out of the laptop, no floppy on destkop
11:08
<r3zon8>
im having trouble setting the resolution for a thin client. im specifying the MAC for that client and then the X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024, but the client always comes up with 1024x768
11:08
<vykarian>
r3zon8 booting with PXE ou DHCP?
11:08
<jammcq>
r3zon8: what happens if you set SCREEN_01 = shell
11:08
<vykarian>
or*
11:08
<r3zon8>
dhxp
11:08
dhcp
11:09
<pscheie>
r3zon8: I have the same problem
11:09
<r3zon8>
jamm, havent tried that
11:09
<pscheie>
no matter what I set the res to I got 1024x768
11:09
<r3zon8>
it seems to work fine for some maxspeed thin clients i use
11:09
<pscheie>
couldn't even get 800x600
11:09
<vykarian>
u should pick the mac address and set that static IP, then set in /etc/hosts that IP address with the hostname
11:09
<r3zon8>
but these new HP's dont seem to take the new res
11:09
<vykarian>
and enter in lts.conf the hostname config
11:09
<jammcq>
r3zon8: what version of ltsp ?
11:10
<r3zon8>
42
11:10
<pscheie>
but if I also specified the modelines, then I could get lower resolutions, but not higher
11:10
<r3zon8>
4.2
11:10
<jammcq>
mac should work just fine
11:10
<r3zon8>
right, MAC is working fine, on the older maxspeed tc;s
11:10
i did notice one thing though
11:10
<jammcq>
it's definately not necessary to muck around with hostnames in /etc/hosts and lts.conf
11:11
<r3zon8>
when its booting, it spits out an X SERVER error, couldnt probe for video card, you should configure the proper x server in ltsp.conf , using SLOW vesa driver
11:11
<jammcq>
there ya go
11:11
<r3zon8>
the maxspeed clients dont spit that error when booting
11:11
<jammcq>
what kind of video chipset ?
11:11
<r3zon8>
1 sec..
11:12
Via S3 Graphics
11:12
<jammcq>
it might be too new
11:12
<pscheie>
jammcq: is the vesa driver limited to 1024x768?
11:12
<r3zon8>
thats what im thinking
11:12
<jammcq>
there's some new chips out there that aren't well supported yet
11:12
<vykarian>
hmm, learning :)
11:13
<jammcq>
pscheie: no, vesa can handle more than that, I think
11:13
r3zon8: is this a brand new thin client?
11:13
<r3zon8>
yea
11:13
<jammcq>
from where?
11:13
<r3zon8>
new hp t5125's
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<jammcq>
ah
11:13
<r3zon8>
hp/compaq
11:13
real nice, 199, even come with keyb/mic
11:13
mice
11:14
<jammcq>
r3zon8: did you add the entry about video ram?
11:14
X_VIDEORAM = 16384
11:14
<r3zon8>
no
11:15
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#T5125
11:15
<r3zon8>
lemme try that
11:15
god dam you wiki
11:15
lol
11:16
<pscheie>
jammcq: it's the cdrom that is sometimes being seen as a floppy
11:17
<jammcq>
pscheie: ok
11:17
now you know :)
11:17
<pscheie>
when I plug in a usb stick, i get an icon for floppy and the stick
11:17
<jammcq>
hmm
11:17
<pscheie>
I thought I saw something on the wiki about this problem a while back
11:17
<jammcq>
seems like we had a problem like that early on, in beta
11:18
<pscheie>
and right now, unplugging the usb makes the floppy icon disappear, too.
11:18
<r3zon8>
well
11:18
i didnt get the error about xserver this time
11:18
but still no 1280
11:18
;(
11:19
<jammcq>
r3zon8: how are you checking the resolution?
11:19
<r3zon8>
monitor info button
11:19
<jammcq>
umm, try popping open a xterm, and run this:
11:20
xdpyinfo | grep dimension
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11:23
<r3zon8>
sez 1024x768
11:23
<jammcq>
hmm
11:24
does the monitor support larger ?
11:24
<r3zon8>
what if i build an mode line
11:24
lcd is native 1280
11:24
<jammcq>
you can build a modeline, if you know what to put there
11:24
<r3zon8>
im pretty sure it supports lower, and scales up, but not higher
11:24* jammcq is heading out to lunch
11:25
<r3zon8>
thanks for the help, ill let you know if i get it working
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11:44
<Gadi>
r3zon8: you prolly need to increase your horizontal sync
11:44
try: X_HORZSYNC = "30-80"
11:44
if that doesnt work, raise it to 100
11:45
(or check the monitor specs for horizontal sync frequency and use the right one)
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<r3zon8>
let me try that Gadi
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12:54
<r3zon8>
that did the trick Gadi =) thanks alot, things are looking much sharper now
12:54* Gadi has been doing this for way too long..... ;)
12:56
<pscheie>
Gadi: I've got a machine with FC6 installed, uses vesa driver, gives me 1600x1200, but when I use it as a thin client (etherboot floppy) I only get 1024x768.
12:56
Do you think the X_HORZSYNC might help me there?
12:57
<Gadi>
which LTSP?
12:57
4.2?
12:57
<pscheie>
4.2
12:58
I also tried adding some modeline settings, to no avail
12:58
I have to use them to get, say 800x600 and lower
12:58
without them, I still only get 1024x768
12:58
so I thought maybe that was the same problem with a higher res
12:58
<Gadi>
it *may*. I, too, used to be under the impression that vesa was limited to 1024x768, but have found that not to be true in newer distros. Could be that Xorg7's vesa driver supports higher res
12:59
worth a try
12:59
<pscheie>
but adding modelines made no difference: I can't get any higher that 1024x768
12:59
<Gadi>
if it doesnt, I suspect its because 4.2 uses Xorg6.8
13:00
oh, also it could be the framebuffer
13:00
many distros use vesafb
13:00
but, LTSP does not use a framebuffer
13:00
er, 4.2 doesnt
13:01
so, it could be that vesafb is required to get higher res out of vesa drivers
13:01
<pscheie>
any idea where I'd look in fc6 as to whether it's using a framebuffer?
13:01
<Gadi>
try: lsmod|grep fb
13:01
on the server
13:01
(its usually a kernel module)
13:02
<pscheie>
clarification: ltsp server is fc5 (k12ltsp 5); workstation with hard drive has plain fc6 installed
13:03
but I use an etherboot floppy disk on the workstation when I want it to be a client of my k12ltsp server
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<r3zon8>
im running l12ltsp4
13:08
k12ltsp4, just fyi
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14:01
<joebaker>
On our LTSP server we have some FAT32 partitions that contain Dell's server maintenance programs. Our Ubuntu logins show these partitions as icons on user's desktops. The same goes for loading a CDRom. Can somebody give me some search terms/tips for helping me disable specific icon appearances such as these?
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<vagrantc>
pscheie: could you just grab the xorg.conf file form the working setup and try it in LTSP ?
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<pscheie>
perhaps; I'll try it (when I get there; offsite ATM)
14:05
<ogra>
vagrantc, !!
14:05
happy new year
14:05
"
14:05
!
14:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: hi! :)
14:05
ogra: i've started working on some new stuff for ltsp. surprised how simple it is.
14:06
ogra: like splitting the init scripts, proper boolean handling, maybe a protean ltsp-chroot command :)
14:06
<ogra>
i'm not sure about the ubuntu translation status for ltsp, but i guess we can switch completely to debians (thanks for the mail btw)
14:06
yeah, the last one was on my list as well
14:06
<vagrantc>
yeah, all the translations are crazy to merge.
14:07
<W^^harddd>
hi ! i have to discuss some issues regarding mouting of USB
14:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, add to your list some URLs to some of my new branches :)
14:07
<ogra>
right, i have to check the status in rosetta first, but i think there is not much in ubuntu yet
14:07
<jammcq>
W^^harddd: tell us what the issues are, so we can help you
14:08
<ogra>
will do, so bzr.debian.net is the new one ?
14:08
<W^^harddd>
ok
14:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: bzr.debian.org, i think.
14:08
<ogra>
ah, k
14:08
thats not on alioth ?
14:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'll let you know when i've moved them
14:08
<pscheie>
vagrantc: can I point a client to a specific xorg.conf file in lts.conf?
14:09
<ogra>
pscheie, sure
14:09
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, you can access the same files from alioth ... so it might be part of the same infrastructure, but with shorter URLs.
14:09
<pscheie>
syntax?
14:09
<W^^harddd>
my users use Kingston usbs . The problem is that when user insert there usb . the Kingston folder appears on the Desktop and even i have test 12 steps n all works fine . but the folder that appears on the desktop doesnot have usb data
14:09
<vagrantc>
XF86CONFIG=/path/to/xorg.conf
14:09
<ogra>
in a MAC address based subsection fo the client
14:09
<vagrantc>
it's a legacy value from the old XFree86 days ... we should make a new variable...
14:10
<ogra>
and the path is relative to /opt/ltsp/$ARCH
14:10
<pscheie>
right, already got a specific subsection setup for this tc
14:10
<jammcq>
W^^harddd: what you need to do is complete the 12-step checklist, and email the results to sbalneav@ltsp.org
14:10
he's the guru for that
14:10
<W^^harddd>
ok
14:10
i will do that
14:10
<pscheie>
where is scotty lately?
14:10
<W^^harddd>
but i have a question .
14:11
<jammcq>
scotty is in the first day of going live with a whole new system at his office
14:11
new custom software suite for managing legal aide
14:11
<vagrantc>
!checklist
14:11
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
14:11
<W^^harddd>
ok leave it
14:11
<jammcq>
I expect him to have much less hair the next time I see him
14:11
<W^^harddd>
i will mail
14:12
<vagrantc>
ogra: i think you can *probably* safely merge the gettext translations. but the debconf translations are still without some of the ltsp-client-builder stuff you've done.
14:13
<ogra>
well, that will grow ...
14:13
<Gadi>
joebaker: sudo gconf-editor
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<ogra>
the client-builder pieces will get more text ...
14:13
<Gadi>
joebaker: gnome-volume-manager
14:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'll merge the client-builder stuff for lenny, with a bit of rewriting, that is :)
14:14
<ogra>
oki
14:14
<joebaker>
Gadi: Thanks.... I'm looking at my notes for having crossed this bridge in the past...
14:14
<ogra>
i'll try to find some tzime to rewrite big chunks of the postinst of the udeb ... i want proper output
14:16
<pscheie>
jammcq: I *removed* the cdrom drive from my Dell laptop client, still get the phantom floppy folder on desktop even with no local devices :-(
14:17
very odd
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14:20
<vagrantc>
ogra: presuming the defaults worked about the same way they do now, would you mind a split of ltsp-build-client into it's own package, and a real basic ltsp-client-core package?
14:20
<ogra>
hmm, why ?
14:21
<vagrantc>
ltsp-build-client will be needed for cross-architecture installs, and ltsp-client-core would be useful to make a more general-purpose thin-client that doesn't have X or something.
14:21
<ogra>
i'd keep everything that makes a thin-client in one package ...
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<ogra>
well, you will always need ltsp-build-client
14:22
i dont really see the reason why we should split that
14:22
<vagrantc>
because you don't want all the tftp server and nfs server bits just to create the chroot environment.
14:22
<ogra>
??
14:22
tftp server bits ?
14:23
<vagrantc>
the package dependencies
14:23
<ogra>
you are talking about ltsp-server, not -client
14:23
<vagrantc>
yes.
14:23
<ogra>
ltsp-client doesnt have any nfs/tftp bits
14:23* vagrantc wonders how many times we've had this conversation.
14:24
<vagrantc>
i want to be able to install a bare-bones thin-client without X, without sound, without any bells or whistles.
14:24
<ogra>
right, but you never said you wanted to split ltsp-client and ltsp-build-client ... that simply makes no sense to me
14:25
<vagrantc>
ogra: i've said it on numerous occasions.
14:25
<ogra>
we wanted to split ltsp-client in different subpackages iirc ...
14:25
but nothing about ripping out ltsp-build-client
14:25
<vagrantc>
i think it would be simpler to make the "ltsp-client" pull in everything, and make an "ltsp-client-core" package that was just the bare-bones stuff to boot with NFS root.
14:26
ogra: i definitely talked about splitting ltsp-build-client into it's own package.
14:26
<ogra>
you still need ltsp-build-client
14:26
<vagrantc>
correct. but you don't always need ltsp-server.
14:26
<ogra>
i really cant remember that
14:26
and i dont like the idea ... let mee sleep a night over it ...
14:26
<vagrantc>
ogra: i bet i could find posts to the list.
14:27
ogra: sure :)
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14:39
<joebaker>
Gadi - Thanks for the tip with gconf-edit I've disabled the actions and will see what comes of it after rebooting. However, I'm hoping that if users put local devices into their thin clients that those devices will show up. In other words, I need to be able to mask certian devices from showing up that are local to the server and universal to all users.
14:40
<W^^harddd>
is there any progress of usb working on windows ?
14:47
<Gadi>
W^^harddd: I have a package for this on the wiki for LTSP 4.2. For LTSP5, I have a simple automount solution working already - just playing with it a bit before I put anything together for others to test (right now, uses autofs+udev)
14:48
<pscheie>
W^^harddd: I don't understand the question, but obviously Gadi does; clarify?
14:49
<Gadi>
RDP+localdev
14:49* Gadi assumes
14:49
<pscheie>
ah, okay, I get it
14:49
<Gadi>
ie, running rdesktop as a screen script and getting local device support
14:51
<pscheie>
anyone know if Macs support remote displaying of apps?
14:52
<Gadi>
Apple Remote Desktop
14:52
its VNC on steroids
14:52
(according to the booth babes) ;)
14:52
<pscheie>
no, I just want one application, not the whole desktop
14:52
<Gadi>
install vnc server
14:52
<W^^harddd>
yes
14:52
<Gadi>
they make it for MAC
14:52
<W^^harddd>
i m using rdesktop
14:53
<pscheie>
the NWEA software, I'm told, runs on Windows and now Mac
14:53
supposedly it's java-based but won't run on Linux
14:53
(see k12ltsp archives for some history)
14:53
usually people use RDP and a Win Term Server
14:53
<W^^harddd>
but Usb dont work on windows
14:54
<pscheie>
but it occurs to me why not run it on a Mac and remote display to Linux tc?
14:54
<Gadi>
W^^harddd: what version of LTSP?
14:55
<W^^harddd>
4.2
14:55
<Gadi>
pscheie: I think with MAC< you have a choice between vnc and vnc
14:55
unless nxserver has a mac flavor
14:55
<pscheie>
so, it doesn't really do remote display like we think of with *nix
14:56
even tho it's unix (mach) underneath
14:56
<W^^harddd>
can i have some documentation of that ?
14:56
<Gadi>
W^^harddd: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
14:56
<joebaker>
My destop partition icons were the result of lots of entries in /etc/fstab which created mount points for partitions I didn't tell the Ubuntu installer about. I unmounted those, then removed their entries from /etc/fstab and the offending icons went away.
14:56
<Gadi>
pscheie: Mach is not X
14:56
and I dont know much about Mach
14:57
but, I know it doesnt do XDMCP ;)
14:57
<pscheie>
Mach is the kernel, not the display parts
14:57
<Gadi>
joebaker: strong work (as my wife the doctor likes to say)
14:57
<W^^harddd>
thx Gadi
14:58
<joebaker>
Thanks Gadi.
14:58
<Gadi>
pscheie: really?
14:58
huh
14:58
I always thought it was the display bits
14:58* Gadi wallows in his ignorance
14:59
<pscheie>
I think Mach was developed at Carnegie-Mellon or some such
14:59
I'm not a mac person, obviously, but the GUI/display stuff is the value-add that Apple provides
15:00
<joebaker>
Gadi: so does "Strong Work" mean "good job". What part of the world is the term "strong work" from?
15:00
<pscheie>
they have funky names like Cocoa, and so on. Not good useful, practical, easy-to-remember names like DHCP and XDMCP
15:00
:-)
15:00
<Gadi>
zactly, joebaker, its Medical Resident slang
15:00
;)
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<joebaker>
:)
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<Gadi>
pscheie: http://blandname.com/2006/11/03/how-to-connect-to-a-mac-remote-desktop-using-vnc/
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<pscheie>
Gadi: thanks
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but as the article says, it seems best for remotely admining a box; I want a bunch of users to be able to run an app on the Mac
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I'm just not sure if it will handle it well, architecturally
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probably not, is my guess
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<W^^harddd>
<pscheie> NWEA software. wats that ?
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<pscheie>
nwea.org produces some sort of testing software that schools use to see their progress in improving their teaching
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<pscheie>
No Child Left Behind testing just checks whether your school meets certain threshholds
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NWEA shows you whether you are making progress toward your goals, as a school
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<W^^harddd>
ok
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<pscheie>
NWEA is based in seattle, so, as I understand it, the first client software was for Windows
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despite the fact that schools are largely apple-based
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they have a mac client now, not sure how long it's been around
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but I understand that it was added later
15:16
when I pitched ltsp to a superintendent, the first thing she said was 'we could use linux for our nwea testing, which is a logistical nightmare'
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since they have to get all the kids through the computer lab to do the test and do it in a timely fashion
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I think the current route by most k12ltsp-ers is to use Win Term Server and RDP on the thin client
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WTS=$$$
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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<Gadi>
pscheie: WTS is not that pricey in education
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and Im sure if you pooled some schools together you could get a break
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<pscheie>
compared to K12ltsp, any software is expensive ;-)
15:39
I hope to eventually convince NWEA to make a linux client; it would be in their best interest as it would make their stuff accessible to more schools
15:39
or so I'm told
15:39
when I explain ltsp to folks
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<gentgeen__>
Anyone aware of a reason why MUTT on a debian stable box would suddenly be returning "gnutls_handshake: A record packet with illegal version was received."
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connected over IMAP with SSL (port 993).... everything used to work, no NO email client can connect
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only decent error message is from MUTT, but googling that term resulted in pretty much nothing
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<cliebow>
daniQ:8)
17:58
lord i am getting dyslectic
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<rjune>
damn, missed gadi
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<daniQ>
cliebow - lysdexic?
18:21
<cliebow>
damn...missed rjune
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<rjune>
LOL
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<daniQ>
flashplayer is making firefox crash....somehow but i haven
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<cliebow>
daniQ: you can try apt-get remove firefox followed by apt-get install firefox..then do the flshplayer thingie again
18:23
man apt-get will show you the options
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<daniQ>
i am doing it...i added sudo .... look i can learn!
18:25
firefox is the devil
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rjune is in purple...
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can i do flashplayer from terminal?
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sudo-apt get install firefox
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ahhh i mean flashplayer
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should i use an older version or something because of the crashing?
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<jammcq>
hello
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: you again! :)
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<jammcq>
indeed
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: you there?
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<daniQ>
cliebow - i have to switch over to the dark side...so i can check my e-mail....micro-ick
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<rjune>
purple?
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<guigouz>
hello. Is it possible to have the IP configured by the kernel, and keep that configuration after boot (not running dhcp-client again) ?
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<jammcq>
anything is possible. But, that isn't supported by LTSP
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<guigouz>
thanks
20:06
just found that's not possible with my current setup (i read the network modules after boot)
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: here now
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initramfs-tools supports grabbing the ip configuration from etherboot.
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: hey, Do you remember Octavio's last name?
20:23
or was it 'Otavio' ?
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<vagrantc>
Otavio Salvador, i think.
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<jammcq>
'Ot', not 'Oct' ?
20:24
Salvador doesn't ring a bell for me
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20:24* vagrantc looks it up
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: "Otavio Salvador" is it.
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<jammcq>
ok
20:26
I'll take your word for it
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thanks
20:26
<vagrantc>
presuming we're talking about the same person, that is... :)
20:26* jammcq is just trying to give credit where it is due
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<jammcq>
is he the guy in the wheel chair ?
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<vagrantc>
it was largely otavio who implemented the plugins system
20:27
yeah
20:27
<jammcq>
he worked on the plugins
20:27
yeah
20:28
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-50
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check that, for a bit of info on LTSP-5.0
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: any more word from warren or eric about fedora integration?
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<jammcq>
last time I talked to Eric, he said nothing much has happened. I know he just released K12LTSP-6, which is based on Fedora Core 6 and LTSP-4.2. THat was a few days ago. I think once the dust has settled, his next priority is LTSP-5
20:31
I think Warren is overwhelmed with his own projects, and not doing anything on ltsp
20:31
<vagrantc>
jammcq: should http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 be merged with LTSP-50 ?
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<jammcq>
hmm
20:32
yeah, prolly
20:32
or at least one should point to the other
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<vagrantc>
at the very least.
20:33
<jammcq>
prolly a single page would be best tho
20:33
pages pointing to pages gets tiring
20:36
<dberkholz>
i need to get a paper written and out for work
20:36
then i'll have a bit more time to work
20:36
<jammcq>
cool
20:37
<dberkholz>
always too many projects ...
20:39
<jammcq>
I merged the two pages, and here's the result:
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: nice.
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<jammcq>
there's so much more that can be said, but this is a start anyway
21:00
http://www.LTSP.org now should take you to the brand spanking new LTSP home page
21:00
AMD donated one hell of a nice server for us to use. Dual opteron with 8gb of ram
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<vagrantc>
for a web server?
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<jammcq>
well, for whatever we need
21:01
and at the moment, we need a web server
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<vagrantc>
:)
21:01
<jammcq>
it'll prolly get moved around
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<vagrantc>
is my DNS just outdated, or does the new site look a lot like the old on?
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one
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<jammcq>
it may take a while to propagate
21:02
www.ltsp.org should resolve to 70.91.230.211
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I just changed it about 60 minutes ago
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<vagrantc>
hmmm... it's almost unreadable on my small screen.
21:03
<jammcq>
what is?
21:03
<vagrantc>
the graphic header at the top eats about 70% of the browser space
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www.ltsp.org
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<jammcq>
hmm
21:03
damn
21:03
how small is your screen?
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<vagrantc>
800x600 ... though my browser is maybe only given 70% of the verical space ...
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<jammcq>
hmm
21:04
I'll have to fix that
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<vagrantc>
viewing it in full screen is fine ...
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<jammcq>
it's a bit large, I'll agree with that
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<vagrantc>
though i'd still recommend making the graphic a little smaller
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: could you make the links hover underneath the graphic, so they're always available to click on? :)
21:06
that's about it for my feedback :)
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<jammcq>
you mean left-justify them
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?
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<jammcq>
or are you talking about including those links on the other pages?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: just on the main page
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<jammcq>
I dont understand
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<vagrantc>
hmmm...
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jammcq: when i visit http://www.ltsp.org , and i scroll to the bottom of the screen, i can no longer see all the links, Downloads Documentation Support Success Stories Community Wiki
21:13
but if they could stay at the top of the screen, just like the LTSP.org graphic, that would be nice.
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<jammcq>
ah
21:14
I guess I was expecting that the text on the page would never be big enough to need scrolling
21:14
not thinking about people using tiny screens
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<vagrantc>
we do exist :)
21:14* jammcq has a 1920x1600
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<jammcq>
EVERY web page on the internet fits on my screen :)
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<vagrantc>
not all at once, though.
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<jammcq>
heh
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<oldwolf>
Hi all, may I know is "Local Apps" able to use in Muekow? thanks
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: it is possible, but requires a lot of manual work at the moment.
22:11
oldwolf: the easiest thing to set up is running all applications locally.
22:11
oldwolf: but running some locally, and some on the server is difficult.
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<oldwolf>
Is it possible for me to get the manual/doc? Coz I've done massive search on google but found none
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<vagrantc>
there isn't much.
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/usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation
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i think that's in both debian and ubuntu packages now ...
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oldwolf: which distro are you using?
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: did you find that file?
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: yeah, I've read it
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: see what i mean by not much? :)
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: haha, I got what you mean
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vagrantc: 44 lines, really not much
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<vagrantc>
it's an area i'm interested in. probably going to help freegeek get something like that set up soon.
22:24
<oldwolf>
vagrantc: some ubuntu developers are going to this
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<vagrantc>
ogra_ already started working on it for feisty, i know.
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: so I need to go back 4.2 if I want the hybrid
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: no, you just need to be the person to write the docs :)
22:28
<oldwolf>
vagrant: can you give me some guides to set up a hybrid system?
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: you'll need some sort of network authentication, mount the user's home directory on the thin-client, and then ssh -X back to the thin client to run the application ...
22:29
that should work, i think.
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: so just like the 4.2, by using NIS and NFS
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: or LDAP instead of NIS ... i suspect ubuntu will move towards using LDAP
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: ok, I will put some efforts on it, thanks anyway
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<vagrantc>
oldwolf: thanks for considering putting some work into it :)
22:35
oldwolf: wiki.ltsp.org would probably be a good place to document your success :)
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<oldwolf>
vagrantc: yeah, i knew, coz I already contributed one article at there
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