IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 September 2013   (all times are UTC)

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08:29
<coffeecoco>
guys im kinda desperate ive been working on this for ages and cant find out what the default password for this kiwi-ltsp client is
08:30
boot menu gave me option of ltsp etc etc and also i386 i took the i386 boot menu option
08:33
<Hyperbyte>
coffeecoco, default root password you mean?
08:36
<coffeecoco>
well yea
08:36
any password im stuck at thelogin screen
08:36
there was a root password on kiwi-ltsp website it was blank password but that didnt work either
08:37
<alkisg>
To login on ltsp clients, you use the username/passwords of server users
08:38
So just create a test user on your server, and use that
08:38
<coffeecoco>
hmmm i wonder if it cant talk to server properly
08:38
i tried that
08:38
<alkisg>
Don't use empty passwords. Also check /var/log/auth.log on the server, or whatever else kiwi uses.
08:39
There's also a kiwi channel, because it's different from stock ltsp
08:39
!kiwi
08:39
<ltsp`>
kiwi: The opensuse/kiwi implementation of LTSP is a bit different than in other distros, so the best way to get support is in the #kiwi-ltsp irc channel. See also http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
08:39
<coffeecoco>
like im expecting that "i386" boot menu was for a standalone system instead of a chroot of the server ?
08:39
<alkisg>
Finally, also check this:
08:39
!ltsp-update-sshkeys
08:39
<ltsp`>
ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
08:39
<coffeecoco>
yeah thats getting a bit ahead of things
08:39
i only just created the images and ltsp stuff
08:39
ip hasnt changed
08:40
i just want to be clear if i may
08:40
when i choose boot option "ltsp" it boots an exact image of the server even same ip i worked out it must just be a remote X shell
08:41
so i wanted to check the other boot menu options one was called i386 the login screen and stuff was quite different to the previous i assumed it was standalone ?
08:42
i just made a user no work, reset my server root password also no work, im thinkiing this is a bit different ?
08:42
LABEL i386
08:42
kernel boot/linux-i386
08:42
append initrd=boot/initrd-i386 AOEROOT=/dev/etherd/e0.1 quiet splash plymouth:force-splash showopts init=/sbin/init-ltsp
08:42
IPAPPEND 2
08:42
This one ^
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08:49
<coffeecoco>
ugh this is droving me insane
08:50
im looking for an an image I can compile with my apps
08:50
and boot that over the network pxe/nfs
08:50
i dont know if ltsp can do this for me
08:50
anyone able to answer that ?
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11:19
<alkisg>
coffeecoco: yup, that's what ltsp is for. Unfortunately kiwi isn't very actively supported here, you might want to try debian or ubuntu instead.
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<servercbe>
hi!,epoptes doesnt recognize any of 20 thin client i got connected right now!... somebody help me please
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<willianmazzardo>
work_alkisg, hi man … sorry interrupt your job … but the situation with WINE and LTSP still unstable
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15:14
<JEJE>
HELLO, I am currently implementing Ubuntu LTSP Thin Client Server and my end point device is a HP t410 AiO, but have not been able to get the tin client to boot Ubuntu, its a pxe capable end poit device, kindly help
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15:17
<bennabiy>
work_alkisg: I am trying to build my recipe locally, but it is giving me this error. bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the upstream source. Import it as tag upstream-5.4.3 or build with --allow-fallback-to-native.
15:19
JEJE is it giving you an error?
15:22
<JEJE>
yeah the Error I get on the end point device is "Smart Client Service not configured" and stays at the window displaying the varies clients its got (Citrix, RDP AND View)
15:22
no error on the server side after building the thin client image and carrying out an upadate of the same upon reboot
15:22
<bennabiy>
What steps have you taken to setting up your LTSP server?
15:23
<JEJE>
I booted my server using the Alternate Ubuntu LTSP installer
15:23
at the installtion prompt I pressed F4 and selected install LTSP Server
15:23
<bennabiy>
Some things to check for, make sure your architecture is correct (you are not trying to build a amd64 client and serving it to a i386 client)
15:24
Which version? 12.04?
15:24
<JEJE>
no, under /opt/lstp I have got the i386 Architecture
15:24
yes version 12.04
15:25
I configured the second NIC interface for the thin clients
15:25
<bennabiy>
Are you certain your thin client is able to boot over PXE and is not proprietary?
15:25
<JEJE>
then rebooted and updated my image with sudo ltsp-update-image
15:26
yeah the specifications states that it is able to boot over pxe
15:28
• Networking o Data Link Protocol: Ethernet,Fast Ethernet,Gigabit Ethernet o Features: DHCP support,PXE support,Wake on LAN (WoL) o Form Factor: Integrated o Type: Network adapter
15:28
thats part of the networking specification
15:28
bennabiy are u there
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<JEJE>
any body there
15:48
<bennabiy>
yes
15:49
you might need to do:
15:49
sudo service isc-dhcp-server restart
15:49
sudo service tftpd-hpa restart
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and sudo service nbd-server restart
15:50
I may not have typed the specific names properly, use tab completion isc-{tab} tft{tab} etc
15:51
Is your client set to netboot?
15:54
<JEJE>
not sure about that
15:57
since it boots into a light OS environment the available clients
15:57
I believe since its pxe enabled it should be doing netboot first
15:58
these are the networking components specification for the client
15:58
• Networking o Data Link Protocol: Ethernet,Fast Ethernet,Gigabit Ethernet o Features: DHCP support,PXE support,Wake on LAN (WoL) o Form Factor: Integrated o Type: Network adapter
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16:04
<bennabiy>
What happens when you turn your client on, what screen do you see?
16:04
do you ever see it saying looking for DHCP?
16:06
<JEJE>
oh yeah and it does acquire the IP just fine
16:07
<bennabiy>
what screen does it get to when it stops?
16:07
Do you get the Ubuntu splash, and then login screen?
16:07
<JEJE>
no
16:07
<bennabiy>
busybox?
16:08
what error does it give you?
16:08
<JEJE>
after acquiring the IP it continues to such thru and loads the other preinstalled agents for Windows RDP, CItrix and View client
16:08
the error I get is no smart client service found
16:09
<bennabiy>
Does anyone have bzr-builder experience? I am trying to compile a PPA for LinuxMint support, to test my branch on a live install, but would like to be able to run it on a new server I am setting up.
16:09
<JEJE>
I have got a manual that provides guidance in changing the thin client settings
16:09
<bennabiy>
Sounds like it is prebooting from a flash drive
16:10
<JEJE>
looks like
16:10
I probably have to investigate the boot order and get to change that setting
16:10
<bennabiy>
Some of those machines are actually not able to be used with LTSP unless you are willing to do a lot of workarounds, or to put your LTSP preloader on the flash and then have that load your client
16:10
I personally like the HP st5742
16:10
<JEJE>
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c03460312.pdf
16:11
kindly check that
16:11
ok have you got it to work with ubuntu LTSP thin client server??
16:12
have you tested the HP st5742 with Ubuntu LTSP thin client server
16:13
<bennabiy>
I use many of them
16:13
Yes
16:13
st stands for streaming, which is what you need
16:13
<JEJE>
look at the document at that link and area of interest "MODIFYING CLIENT SETTING
16:14
ok
16:14
<bennabiy>
It looks like the only way you might be able to use that client is if you flash the old software off of it, and put your own image on there. But it seems like it might be more than what you want to do
16:14
<JEJE>
what I have is the t410 AiO
16:15
<bennabiy>
Yes, It looks like it would work for RDP to linux, but not LTSP
16:15
<JEJE>
thats true
16:15
ok I might wana take your advice here
16:16
this environment is a stident lab environment and they have about 120 pieces that they would like to use
16:16
on the servers should I then go for RDP to linux instead of LTSP
16:16
<bennabiy>
You might be able to do something, but those clients would not work without a lot of monkeying with, if at all
16:17
<JEJE>
OK
16:17
<bennabiy>
I think you should look at both technologies, and see which is what you are after
16:18
<JEJE>
alright I will make an assessment of that
16:18
and see the way forward
16:19
are u on twitter, we could pick up the conversation there too, just to share with you how far its gonna
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<bennabiy>
I do not do facebook or twitter
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17:25
<bennabiy>
staffencasa: Do you have anything to do with the MATE project?
17:27
<staffencasa>
Sorry I don't
17:27
I don't even know what that is
17:27
<bennabiy>
ok :)
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: Do you have any experience with bzr-builder?
17:59
<vagrantc>
nope
18:04
<bennabiy>
hmm
18:05
<vagrantc>
what do you need it for?
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18:13
<bennabiy>
I was making a PPA build of my changes... to be able to test them on a server, without having to manually code the changes
18:14
I was having troubles getting the recipe right, but I finally got one to build, but now it says there is a newer version ( which I am guessing I need to pull down the latest upstream, and then recompile again)
18:14
welcome back alkisg
18:18* alkisg waves
18:19
<alkisg>
A `debuild -b -uc -tc` locally should be enough to get a .deb, if you don't want to mess with recipes...
18:21
<bennabiy>
Would that require me downloading the packaging?
18:21
<alkisg>
The debian/ folder? Yeah, always...
18:21
<bennabiy>
thought so
18:22
well, I have 1.0+r2488+p1163~ubuntu13.04.1 (Newer version available) (does that mean that upstream there is a newer version?)
18:23
<alkisg>
ltsp 1.0? can't be...
18:23
<bennabiy>
that is my own number... I was having troubles getting the versioning to build
18:24
<alkisg>
https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging
18:24
You can get the latest debian/ folder from there (although without the ubuntu .diff that stgraber maintains...)
18:25* alkisg actually prefers it that way... :)
18:25
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
18:25
<ltsp`>
alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#3) implement LDM_[PRE|IN|POST]SESSION_CMD, or (#4) put IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels, or (#5) prefer kernels from img rather than dir, or (#6) LDM password hash, or (#7) check remoteapps in fat clients, or (#8) launch ltspfsd/cdpinger upon first media insertion, or (#9) Check ltsp bugs in debian.org, or (#10) (1 more message)
18:25
<alkisg>
Meh
18:25
<bennabiy>
who made your todo list?
18:26
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo as nbd-disconnect isn't called at all because the cmdline changed, no nbdroot=
18:26
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
18:26
<alkisg>
Myself :)
18:26
<bennabiy>
ahh
18:26
<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
18:26
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
18:26
<vagrantc>
heh. forgot about that...
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18:36
<bennabiy>
!bennabiy-todo
18:36
<ltsp`>
bennabiy-todo: Get this working...
18:36* bennabiy dances
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18:49
<bennabiy>
!LinuxMint
18:49
<ltsp`>
Error: "LinuxMint" is not a valid command.
18:52
<bennabiy>
!LinuxMint
18:52
<ltsp`>
LinuxMint: "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln -s /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint #2) sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=(UbuntuEquivDistribution)
18:55
<bennabiy>
alkisg: Are you able to help me with this error message I am getting about revision numbers? I would like to not just have it be 1.0, but I am not sure how to get it to work
18:57
<alkisg>
Just download the debian/ dir inside the ltsp-trunk/ dir, and run debuild -b -tc -uc, that's all
18:57
No need to edit anything...
19:00
<bennabiy>
but I want to learn! :)
19:00
so if I compile it locally, then I can upload the package to my ppa?
19:03
<alkisg>
Those 2 are unrelated. You can compile your package locally if you want to, and/or you can upload it to a PPA so that it's compiled there.
19:06
<bennabiy>
I guess I was seeing the benefit that if I am actively working on my package, then the daily compiling, as well as update announcements on the servers that I install it to (so they can upgrade with apt-get upgrade)
19:07
Am I thinking about it incorrectly?
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19:26
<alkisg>
bennabiy: if you're actively working on your package, then that means you'll be committing changes upstream, so then you could just use the daily build ltsp recipe
19:27
<bennabiy>
?
19:27
<alkisg>
Anyways, if you want to learn about recipes and packaging, sure, it's good stuff to know, and there are lots of documentation about it online
19:27
<bennabiy>
I saw that, but I was not sure why it was giving me an error about upstream
19:29
by committing changes upstream, do you mean merging my changes into upstream ltsp?
19:29
<alkisg>
Yup, isn't that your main goal?
19:29
<bennabiy>
alkisg: Yes.
19:33
alkisg and vagrantc: I have weighed the options, and I think that the best way to reduce risk of affecting other distributions is to keep LinuxMint in its own folder, with two folders inside, Ubuntu and Debian which would house the customized scripts for their respective mint versions, and the initial configuration script would source them in based on an initial test for LinuxMint
19:33
<alkisg>
bennabiy: are you going to change detect_vendor()?
19:34
<bennabiy>
yes
19:34
<alkisg>
What will that return, for mint?
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19:35
<bennabiy>
It will return Debian for LMDE and Ubuntu for LinuxMint as well as setting a variable MINT which the 000 script in Debian or Ubuntu would pick up and source the LinuxMint directory for the respective files
19:36
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: you would need two dirs, rather than a single dir with subdirs, just because of the way the plugins are set up
19:36
<bennabiy>
I could do that
19:37
<alkisg>
If it returns Debian, then ltsp-build-client will source the Debian/ plugins dir
19:37
<bennabiy>
I could have it return LMDE for the debian version, and LinuxMint for the Ubuntu version
19:37
<alkisg>
Same for Ubuntu
19:38
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: that would be the easiest.
19:39
<alkisg>
Go for it. If you see that you only need 2-3 scripts, _then_ you might consider merging them with the other Debian/ and Ubuntu/ dirs... ;)
19:39
<bennabiy>
If the detect_vendor() would just patch for the LMDE, and leave the LinuxMint folder to sort out the Ubuntu versioning
19:40
<alkisg>
IMHO when Mint matures, it'll see that it's a flavor of debian/ubuntu, not a new distro... so it doesn't deserve its own folders... but anyway too much talking about it and little coding, it should be the opposite :)
19:43
<bennabiy>
I will try it your way, I just am not wanting to risk breaking the other distros while I hack their code
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19:50
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: that's why we'll review your changes before merging :)
19:51
bennabiy: it does seem like it will be more invasive to change detect_vendor
19:51
<bennabiy>
bah!
19:52
This is why I have been talking ... who do I code for? ;)
19:57
while it is true that there are only a few scripts that would change compared to Ubuntu or Debian, getting it all to pipe through those plugins and detect properly which ones to load would be a little harder
20:00
<alkisg>
bennabiy: we're talking for weeks on how to organize the code without actually seeing the changes yet... I think it would be easiest to do it the other way around, i.e. to see the changes first and then to decide where to put them
20:00
<bennabiy>
alkisg: I have been mostly away from the computer for religious festivals for the past couple weeks
20:01
I am just now getting back to it
20:01
<alkisg>
e.g. "getting it all to pipe through those plugins and detect properly which ones to load" ==> I don't see why it would need to conditionally check a lot of the plugins
20:01
2-3 of them, ok, but a lot... it shouldn't need to
20:04
<bennabiy>
You are probably right, it is probably a lot more complicated in my head
20:04
<alkisg>
I think so... if you start coding it you'll see it's not as hard as it sounds now
20:05
I believe it's less than 50 lines in total
20:05
(both LMDE and LinuxMint)
20:05
<bennabiy>
I have gotten about halfway through it
20:06
I hope to finish it now.
20:10
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: and just to keep it simple, focus on LinuxMint ubuntu variant first
20:18
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: That was my hope, and I think that is where my head started spinning was thinking about trying to figure out all the needs for the debian verison
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20:19
<bennabiy>
I think I can do it alkisg style, and then keep updating it as I figure out more, or things change
20:19
I should have something up by tonight (I will be stoping coding in about 20 minutes, but will be back tonight)
20:21
right now I am watching my daughter and trying to make progress :)
20:21
Do either of you have children?
20:21
<alkisg>
3 :)
20:21
<bennabiy>
How old?
20:22
<alkisg>
13, 11, 7
20:22
Yours? Is she little?
20:22
<bennabiy>
I have 2 girls, 3 1/2 and one almost 1
20:22
I am watching the baby right now
20:23
<alkisg>
Heh, I'm guessing they won't leave you enough time and brain to code a lot :)
20:23
<bennabiy>
She likes to come and sit with me, and you are right...
20:23
My wife is milking the goats with my other daughter
20:23
I almost had both of them this afternoon
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<gbaman>
alkisg what is the correct way to remove an LTSP client image? Is there a special LTSP command? Need to know for rebuilding an image from scratch
21:00
<vagrantc>
rm /opt/ltsp/images/FOO.img
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where FOO is the image you want to remove
21:01
and if you really want to start from scratch: rm -rf /opt/ltsp/FOO
21:01
and if you wanted to clean up all the cruft: rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp /tftpboot/ltsp /srv/tftp/ltsp
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