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Channel log from 11 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
01:35
<daduke>
Pascal_1: bonjour
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<jeffbuntu>
hi all
02:54
i use a cluster HPC with ltsp, but i test a little tweaking without success :(
02:59
i wish a tftp server who listen and serve two NIC on the same network
03:00
i pratice tftpd-hpa can reply to one NIC or another NIC, but only one time
03:01
after one reply, the tftp server is locked on a single NIC and ignore the others !
03:01
<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, hi, what do you use for HPC?
03:02
<jeffbuntu>
ubuntu+ltsp+sge and i'm happy with that
03:03
<cyberorg>
is there a howto for that setup?
03:03
<jeffbuntu>
+openmpi
03:04
more or less, but i think a year ago i was the first to test this
03:04
<cyberorg>
where can i find document to implement something like this in lts?
03:05
<jeffbuntu>
i talk about that in the edubuntu dev list, but nobody was interresting
03:05
<daduke>
jeffbuntu: I'm interested too!
03:05
<jeffbuntu>
only one indian student ask me, and i know it's work for him
03:06
<daduke>
jeffbuntu: I'm on etch, hence I don't hang out in edubuntu dev
03:06
<cyberorg>
i am interested as i would like to make it possible for everyone to implement it easily :)
03:07
last few days i've been thinking about starting kiwi-ltsp-hpc project, didnt know where to start
03:07
<jeffbuntu>
a documentation exist now about setup client in edubuntu
03:07
<cyberorg>
surely we can adapt it
03:08
<daduke>
cyberorg: you aware of http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/multiple-server-setup.html ?
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<jeffbuntu>
the base is the "fat thin client"
03:09
<cyberorg>
daduke, that has very little on it
03:09
<Nubae>
hmm really? why is low fat client base?
03:09
<daduke>
cyberorg: it's all I got ;)
03:10
<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, where can i find the doc you mentioned?
03:10
<daduke>
cyberorg: I haven't found the time to implement it, but as we now have > 50 clients on one LTSP server, I have to start thinking about HA.
03:11
<jeffbuntu>
one minute, i look
03:12
<cyberorg>
daduke, i saw that link some time back, it is mainly a LTSP server loadbalancing, HPC is something else
03:12
<jeffbuntu>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
03:13
<Nubae>
right I wrote that... whats that got to do with load balancing?
03:14
<jeffbuntu>
in my case, i do it more simple, i don't use LDAP
03:14
<Nubae>
yeah the --workstation plugin works that way
03:15
<jeffbuntu>
i just copy /etc/passwd , /etc/group and /etc/shadow into the chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 (or i386)
03:15
because the number of users is very low
03:15
<Nubae>
right, but then u have to do that every time there is a new user
03:16
also, be careful as the gids on the client side may be wrong
03:16
<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, where is openmpi and other clustering configurations required?
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<Nubae>
u mean openmosix?
03:18
<cyberorg>
Nubae, no openmpi+sge
03:18
<jeffbuntu>
nothing of special for openmpi, and sun documentation for SGE
03:19
<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, what config for openmpi on clientchroot and server?
03:20
<jeffbuntu>
the package openmpi exist in ubuntu
03:20
<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, i have absolutely no clue what is minimum configuration required for all the services involved
03:20
i have openmpi installed
03:21
briefly what i read, it required passwordless ssh access to all the clients
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<cyberorg>
shared folder mounted via nfs
03:21
<jeffbuntu>
yes nfs
03:21
only the /home is in nfs
03:22
the others packages necessary are in the nodes images
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<cyberorg>
what else is required?
03:23
are you using enterprise sge or open source one?
03:23
<jeffbuntu>
ssh, nfs-common,binutils,tcsh
03:24
SGE open source
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<cyberorg>
i meant packages specially required for clustering
03:25
<jeffbuntu>
i use SGE in tar.gz
03:26
untar SGE in /home/sgeadmin on the server
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<cyberorg>
how does submitting tasks happen, for example is it transparent? like if someone runs blender and starts rendering huge animation, does it get distributed automaticaly?
03:27
<jeffbuntu>
and cp /home/sgeadmin/default/common/sgeexecd /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/init.d/
03:28
<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, these? http://gridengine.sunsource.net/downloads/61/download.html
03:29
<jeffbuntu>
the link it's good
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<jeffbuntu>
don't forget to update ltsp "ltsp-update-image" after modification
03:31
can'i repost my question : i wish a tftp server who listen and serve two NIC on the same network ?
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<cyberorg>
ok, so 1. i install openmpi, on server and client chroot, 2. setup passwordless ssh access to the clients, 3. nfs mounted /home on the client, copy /etc/passwd-shadow-group in the TC, extract SGE and copy over sgeexecd
03:33
jeffbuntu, sorry about your question, dont know the answer :(
03:33
what config do i do for openmpi and SGE?
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<jeffbuntu>
the config of openmpi it's in fact more in SGE where you configure the "PE" (parallel environnement)
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with openmpi the "PE" is "orte"
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one little thing useful is "ntp" and "ntpdate" on the server to diffuse time on the private network
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<cyberorg>
you know if SGE license permits redistribution?
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<jeffbuntu>
and have all the nodes synchrone
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i don't know ?
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<cyberorg>
jeffbuntu, thanks, i'll pick your brains more when i actually get started, hopefully we should have something soon :)
03:41
captain_magnus, want to work on this? ^^
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<jeffbuntu>
good luck, may be i comeback here to have an answer about tftp with the "Dude" OGRA
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<chrisjrob>
i'm trying to debug x11vnc on the client (ltsp5) and even running manually from the client root x11vnc -display :6 still gives connection refused. The only port that I ever seem to be able to get a response from is 6007 - but why? And, if I do a netstat, 5900 isn't listed - why isn't it using 5900 or perhaps 5906. I feel something is blocking it, but what? Any suggestions gratefully received!
06:33
Even port 6007 doesn't actually do anything useful, other than show up as established in netstat on the client.
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, hi
07:36
<The_Code>
hi cyberorg
07:36
<cyberorg>
what up?
07:37
<The_Code>
updated blog, created screenshot page
07:37
<cyberorg>
would you like to walk through what all you have done?
07:38
<The_Code>
i started with the creation of the task dialogs
07:39
created the different once for display, printer, swap, autologin ...
07:39
added sound and localdevice configuration
07:40
that is what happened
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<cyberorg>
i had some questions
07:40
<The_Code>
yes
07:41
<cyberorg>
how does one load and save lts.conf created by the GUI?
07:41
<The_Code>
currently only xml supported, writing lts.conf and reading is on schedule for this week
07:41
and will be done over the menu
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<cyberorg>
what does hitting "Save" do now?
07:42
<The_Code>
it saves to the variables
07:42
and writes to xml
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<cyberorg>
it doesnt seem to do anything at the moment, i assume it is coming next?
07:44
<The_Code>
it writes the values of the entry fields in the variables, if you change the name of a section and click save the treeview updates
07:45
<cyberorg>
ah yes, but not in xml file or anywhere else on disk
07:45
<The_Code>
not now, but i think it should write to xml when loaded from xml
07:46
<cyberorg>
ok
07:47
another thing was why are some variables already present when adding new section
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<The_Code>
localdev, sound and sound_daemon
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they are there because this are checkboxed variables
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<cyberorg>
they shouldnt be shown till user adds them via tasks
07:49
can the task list have multiple selection?
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<The_Code>
so a task for sound and localdev
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the values will be overwriten
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they are added twice to the tasks in section list
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<cyberorg>
we dont want to add sound and local dev in all sections
07:51
<The_Code>
good
07:51
<cyberorg>
current behavior is they are added whether they are enabled/disabled
07:51
the sections are only there for overriding defaults
07:51
so only variables expressly specified by user needs to be in there
07:53
can "add task" open dialog box with multiple checkboxes user can select the tasks to be added to the section?
07:53
Also [default] needs to be displayed somehow
07:54
<The_Code>
multiple tasks, yes can do
07:54
what do you mean with [default] displayed
07:56
<cyberorg>
[default] section in lts.conf
07:56
<The_Code>
will be displayed as every section
07:57
s/as/like
07:57
<cyberorg>
ok
07:57
<The_Code>
i have some trouble with the keyboard task
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<cyberorg>
you saw warren's patch?
07:58
<The_Code>
i used ogra's code to get the layouts ... but this is not really human readable
07:59
saw it
08:00
<cyberorg>
you mean for automatic suggestion?
08:00
<The_Code>
yes
08:01
for automatic filling of the combobox, so either we put it hardcoded inside with some sort of mapper
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<cyberorg>
you can leave out the automatic suggestion for now, discuss with schaefi or #yast team to find out how they do it
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<The_Code>
fine
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, try "locate keyboard | grep ycp" you'll find out how yast does it :)
08:03
it has each lang mapped to "readable" names
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see lang2keyboard.ycp, xkblayout2keyboard.ycp, keyboard_raw.ycp files
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<The_Code>
will have a look, thanks
08:05
<cyberorg>
btw default sound daemon is "pulse"
08:06
<The_Code>
i will only add localdev and sound when activated and sound_daemon only when different from pulse
08:06
<cyberorg>
is there a possibility to see the lts.conf file for example in third tab?
08:06
<The_Code>
"pulse" ok, parameters.txt says esd
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, thats old :)
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<The_Code>
this should be possible
08:09
<cyberorg>
btw i've completed the eval, your midterm payment should be on its way :)
08:10
<The_Code>
thanks
08:10
<cyberorg>
kl_eisbar is doing rpm packages, that would be available here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp
08:10
<The_Code>
cool
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<cyberorg>
for autologin there is one more variable that is required, i dont remember what it was, i posted on the ML couple of weeks back
08:11
<The_Code>
LDM_DIRECTX ?
08:12
will have a look
08:12
<cyberorg>
no that is for bypassing ssh for X
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
08:17
<The_Code>
yeah, this would be great to have
08:18
<cyberorg>
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true, LDM_USERNAME= and LDM_PASSWORD= are required for autologin
08:18
<The_Code>
added it to the task
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<lejo_>
The_Code: do you have a preliminary rpm somewhere available already?
08:21
<The_Code>
no
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<cyberorg>
lejo_, http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp.tar.bz2
08:24
extract it, run mono Easy-LTSP.exe
08:25
The_Code, any plans about how clients would be added to the profiles?
08:27
<The_Code>
i wanted to have an entry field and a button, above some sort of list, but that looked terrible
08:27
<cyberorg>
you have to work hard on making the GUI look good :)
08:27
<The_Code>
i am not sure, another tab for clients ?
08:28
<cyberorg>
yeah, PROFILE > list of TC under it
08:29
<The_Code>
i will give it a try
08:30
<cyberorg>
lejo_, got it?
08:32
The_Code, that is all from me, anything from your end?
08:33
lejo_, got anything to add?
08:34
<lejo_>
not now, i'll test it and give my feedback asap
08:35
<cyberorg>
ok, so we wind up this weeks meeting :)
08:35
thanks for participating :) The_Code keep up the great work
08:37
The_Code, would you do status report and meeting minute for the kiwi-ltsp-users and ltsp-discuss mailing lists?
08:38
<The_Code>
will do
08:38
<cyberorg>
i've uploaded the transcript
08:38
<The_Code>
thanks
08:39
lejo_, looking forward to your feedback
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08:48* ogra suspects easy-ltsp wont work on anyhing but suse ...
08:48
<ogra>
but thats indeed ok ...
08:49
<The_Code>
ogra, why
08:50
<ogra>
well, if you use functions from yast or use files like .ycp which are totally suse centric and not used on any other distro ...
08:50
<lejo_>
well 1 small thing I already immediately see: isn't it possible to use specific IP address input boxes? That also validate if an ip is valid. I'm not familiar with graphical programming
08:50
(minor thing)
08:50
<ogra>
ltsp-manager did that
08:51
<The_Code>
ogra, i will look at those files to find out how they manage to get the names, that doesn't mean i will use them
08:51
<ogra>
(not that it did anything else, but the callbacks wer einterconnected so the different fields werre adjustted according to your changes)
08:51
<cyberorg>
ogra, that was just for getting ideas
08:51
<ogra>
there are standard locations xorg uses
08:51
use these :)
08:52
there is no file with keymaps anwhere usually ... but an xorg dir you can grab ls output from
08:52
<The_Code>
lejo_, good point
08:52
<ogra>
(the path might vary from distro to distro, but thats actualy how it should be done)
08:52
The_Code, whats so hard about my code ? :)
08:53
<The_Code>
it's not your code
08:53
<ogra>
it only uses standard gtk functions to connect the callbacks
08:53
<The_Code>
the output of the command
08:53
<ogra>
ah
08:53
<cyberorg>
ogra, if you have mono installed, you can get the tarball and run the GUI straight away
08:53
<ogra>
i think the code to detect keymaps in python-ltsp might be intresting
08:54
<The_Code>
i totally understand and can read your code, but the output of the keymap .. command will be hard for your mom to understand it :)
08:54
<ogra>
thast actually just parsing the keymap dir from xorg
08:54
<lejo_>
cyberorg: The_Code did you already thought about adding help/tips somewhere in the screens?
08:54
<ogra>
The_Code, my mom shouldnt have to type commands :)
08:54
<The_Code>
the kiwi part has tooltips
08:55
<ogra>
funny that you mention it, i just had 1h telephone support and taucht her printing and how to email on ubuntu :)
08:56* ogra is pruod that she only had to learn some clicks ... i wouldnt have managed that on any other distro like that :)
08:56
<cyberorg>
ogra, mail orga@ubuntu.com < mymessage.txt ;)
08:56
<ogra>
:P
08:56
evolution goodness :)
08:57
<The_Code>
ogra, the output not the command itself
08:57
<ogra>
and system-config-printer to set the default :)
08:57
The_Code, oh, it outputs the actua keymap names, right ?
08:57* ogra now understands
08:58
<The_Code>
yes it does
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<ogra>
just map it to a locale :)
08:58
gdm ships a locale file that has human readable names
08:59
/etc/gdm/locale.conf
08:59
grab the first match for a keymap value i.e. de -> Deutsch
09:00
i thin that file is planned to vaish, but there should be nothing keeping you from just adding it to easy-ltsp
09:00
*vanish
09:01
<The_Code>
maybe, in suse it is called locale.alias
09:01
<ogra>
no, thats a system file
09:01
/etc/gdm/locale.conf shuld be in the same place in all distros
09:02
(at least i would expect that :) )
09:02
<The_Code>
/etc/gdm/locale.alias no locale.conf here
09:02
<ogra>
whats in there ?
09:02
ah, wait
09:02
# This is similar to a locale.alias file, but is not one. This file was
09:02
# autogenerated from the GNU libc locales source, with some editing.
09:03
i should probably read the comments ... suse might rename the upstream file at package build time (oh evilness :))
09:03
<cyberorg>
ogra, never :)
09:03
<ogra>
heh
09:04
<The_Code>
ogra, me too same thing in my file
09:05
<ogra>
:)
09:05
good
09:05
<lejo_>
tsssk! say sorry to suse! ;)
09:05
<ogra>
so put that in your sourcetree then you dont have to worry about distros renaming it
09:06
<The_Code>
right
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<ogra>
(and you likely want to clean it up, you dont need all the duplicated entries)
09:07
(and gettextize it so people can read the entries in their native lang)
09:07
<lejo_>
hmm what are the disadvantages of using the LDM_DIRECTX option ?
09:07
<ogra>
security mainly
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<The_Code>
ogra, true
09:07
<ogra>
your X traffic is sniffable in a way that you can take screenshots of a tcpdump
09:07
or keylog
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<ogra>
(dont use online banking with LDM_DIRECTX enabled !!!)
09:08
<lejo_>
heh
09:08
<ogra>
its identical to XDMCP apart from the fach that the password is handled by ssh
09:09
the encryption gets dropped after that for the X transport only
09:09
<lejo_>
ok, good enough for my users who complain about speed
09:09
I read their mail (c) (tm) ;-)
09:09
<ogra>
yeah, but one can read the mail of the other that way :)
09:10
i'm sure you can easily find tools on the web that you could install in ~/bin to manage that
09:10
<lejo_>
no problem, as long as they wear http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/31fb/
09:10
;p
09:10
<ogra>
the idea of using ssh for ldm came up when i was at a skolelinux meeting abotu 3.5 years ago ...
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<cyberorg>
i had an enhancement request filed in devzilla for keeping LDM_DIRECTX as default, whole Xsession over ssh is for paranoids
09:11
<ogra>
they had students that actually did exams on ltsp clients
09:11
<lejo_>
cyberorg: i just saw it yes
09:11
<ogra>
and indeed these students had quickly found out how to capture their neighbors solutions from the network traffic with some tools
09:11
<cyberorg>
i had to say we are sticking with whatever upstream is keeping :)
09:11
<lejo_>
ogra: yeah makes sense but in a lot of environments where I'm installing LTSP it's not really an issue
09:12
most of my users can't even read their own mail properly ;-)
09:12
<ogra>
who knows some might only pretend ;)
09:12
80% of attacks come from the internal network
09:13
only 20 from the outside world :)
09:13
<lejo_>
yeah they pretend they are working but I don't even see their TC active on the server :P
09:13
busted
09:13
<ogra>
heh
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<ogra>
slack LTD.
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<lejo_>
did people report already issues with flash movies being slow? (non youtube)
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<delly84>
so i got my fat client working and i just installed and enabled ldap. the client resolves an ip address and in the boot process it hangs on "starting system log daemon"
10:35
any advice?
10:36
i remember hearing that this had something to do with ldap (obviously if that was the only thing i changed)
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<ogra>
excöude system users from ldap
10:36
<delly84>
server side?
10:36
<ogra>
syslog runs as the syslog user in ubuntu
10:36
so your client tries to find the user with getent()
10:37
<delly84>
ogra: thanks, i'll look into that
10:37
<ogra>
all uid's below 1000 are usually system users in an ubuntu system
10:37
<delly84>
what about root?
10:37
<ogra>
root always has uid 0 in linux
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(or unix)
10:38
<delly84>
should i exclude root?
10:38
<ogra>
everything below 1000
10:38
root is locked anyway by default
10:38
ubuntu uses sudo
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<delly84>
there is also something called "nogroup" and "nouser" that has uid/gid 65534
10:39
<ogra>
nobody you mean
10:39
yeah
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<delly84>
yeah, sorry
10:40
exclude?
10:40
<ogra>
theer shouldnt be anything in ubuntu using it by default ... but you neve know
10:40
<delly84>
hmm, ok
10:42
ogra: do you know the best way to purge the ldap database besides just removing /var/lib/ldap/* and /var/backups/unknown-...ldapdb ?
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<delly84>
or is that the standard protocol?
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10:45
<ogra>
no, i stay away from ladap usually
10:45
*ldap
10:45
so i cant tell you much
10:45
#ubuntu-server might know
10:46
<delly84>
ok, i'll check there, thanks for the help
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11:03
<Godfrey>
Weird problem - LTSP just stopped giving my clients a login prompt. It boots up to X, with the 'X' cursor, but then just sits there. Every couple of minutes, syslog indicates that the clients "Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0", which they attempt to put into 4x mode, and then they try to put 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode. Both client machines have VIA Nehemiah 10000 motherboards. What could be happening here, and how do I fix
11:04
<ogra>
sounds like ldm not starting
11:05
did you fiddle with the ldm themes in the chroot ?
11:05
<Godfrey>
I haven't touched the chroot in a couple of months.
11:05
Everything was working fine until this morning, after I rebooted the server.
11:06
(which has been rebooted several times in the past couple of months without any problem)
11:06
<ogra>
well, the server isnt really involved here
11:06
ldm runs on the client
11:06
<Godfrey>
The server is involved only in the fact that the clients were perfectly able to connect to it until I rebooted it this morning.
11:07
<ogra>
err
11:07
are you probably running ltsp 4 ?
11:07
(which is obsolete since some years)
11:07
<Godfrey>
I'm pretty sure it's 5, but let me double-check.
11:08
5.1.10-1
11:08
<ogra>
debian ?
11:08
<Godfrey>
Yes.
11:08
<ogra>
hmm
11:08
<warren>
hmm
11:08
<ogra>
did you fiddle with your lts.conf ?
11:08
<Godfrey>
I have touched nothing LTSP-related in a couple of months.
11:08
<warren>
weird build problem
11:08
<ogra>
sounds a bit like you are using XDMCP
11:09
<warren>
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
11:09
./configure: line 2929: syntax error near unexpected token `XREXECD,'
11:09
./configure: line 2929: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XREXECD, x11)'
11:09
<ogra>
and like gdm deosnt accept the connection
11:09
<warren>
older autoconf version ran autogen.sh
11:09
<ogra>
warren, oh, i havent enabled xrececd yet
11:09
<warren>
it builds fine with newer autoconf
11:10
<ogra>
then just use the newer one ?
11:10
<warren>
older OS has older autoconf
11:10
<ogra>
so just drop xrexecd
11:10
nothing uses it anyway, we dont even build it yet in ubuntu or debian
11:11
(which we should for latest upstream though)
11:12
<Godfrey>
ogra: is it normal for the clients to keep finding the video card and setting the mode?
11:12
<ogra>
well, if you see an X cursore the X part should be fine
11:15
<vagrantc>
Godfrey: have you been upgrading the packages? what versions are in the chroot?
11:15
!debver
11:15
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "debver" is not a valid command.
11:15
<vagrantc>
!ver
11:15
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
11:15
<Godfrey>
vagrantc: Let me check.
11:16
<vagrantc>
Godfrey: 5.1.10-1 just hit lenny yesterday... i did my best to test it, but there could be problems.
11:16
<Godfrey>
vagrantc: I upgraded after I found the problem... so the problem started with whatever version I had installed before that.
11:17
Latest kernel in the chroot is 2.6.22-3
11:17
<vagrantc>
Godfrey: could you post your lts.conf to the pastebot?
11:17
!pastebot
11:17
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:17
<Godfrey>
Sure thing.
11:18
<vagrantc>
i also had some issues with the latest xserver-xorg-video-vesa ... but that shouldn't be in testing (i hope)
11:19
<ltsppbot>
"Godfrey" pasted "lts.conf as requested by vagrantc" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/23
11:19
<ogra>
heh
11:20
SOUND=Y and LOCALDEV=Y are moot with SCREEN_04=startx
11:20
they need ldm
11:20
(which you disable through SCREEN_04=startx)
11:20
<Godfrey>
OK
11:20
<ogra>
haha
11:20
<Godfrey>
What's the proper way to do it?
11:20
<ogra>
and i see the issue ...
11:20
we renamed startx to xdmcp
11:21
<Godfrey>
Aha.
11:21
<ogra>
vagrantc, ^^^^
11:21
<vagrantc>
yeah.
11:21
what ogra said.
11:21
<ogra>
did you retain any backwards compatibility ?
11:21
<Godfrey>
Sorry, how do you mean?
11:21
<vagrantc>
yeah, startx should by a symlink to xdmcp
11:21* ogra is surprised vagrantc didnt put weeks and week in for getting that :) )
11:22
<vagrantc>
no, it was merely as long as it took to add a symlink :P
11:22
Godfrey: the other issue is that something else is likely running on SCREEN_04 ...
11:22
Godfrey: and i would like to know what versions are in the chroot
11:23
<Godfrey>
vagrantc: would you tell me where to find that information?
11:23
<vagrantc>
!ver
11:23
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
11:23
<ltsppbot>
"Godfrey" pasted "versions in the chroot" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/24
11:24
<ogra>
yeah, ltsp-client is outdated
11:25
should be the same version as ltsp-server
11:25
<vagrantc>
yeah...although ifyou're using startx, it shouldn't be a problem.
11:25
<Godfrey>
All right.
11:25
<vagrantc>
Godfrey: did you do anything to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inittab to disable logins on tty4 ?
11:25
<Godfrey>
After I update it, I remove SOUND=Y and LOCALDEV=Y, change startx to xdmcp, and... change that to which screen instead of screen4?
11:26
<vagrantc>
SCREEN_07
11:26
Godfrey: you might also want to look at ...
11:26
<Godfrey>
vagrantc: I haven't touched any of the LTSP configuration in a couple of months. The problem only surfaced this morning after I rebooted the server.
11:26
<vagrantc>
!greyscreen
11:26
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
11:26
<Godfrey>
Great, thanks.
11:26
<vagrantc>
although i would consider switching to ldm, and if you really need the insecure but faster performance, switching to use LDM_DIRECTX=true
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<Godfrey>
Okay, thanks for the tip.
11:28* ogra curses the i810 driver
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<vagrantc>
yeah, stick with ncurses or something
11:28
graphics are overrated
11:28
<ogra>
tell that to the classmate people
11:29
i cant get it to initialize the video at all after resume :/
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: ping
11:32
<ogra>
Gadi, high hopes :)
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<Gadi>
:)
11:33
at least his name is on the list
11:33
;)
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<delly84>
so i cleaned out my ldap database and re populated it with just one user (uid 1000). the client still hangs at "starting system log daemon". any ideas?
11:50
<Gadi>
ogra: is 8.10.1 cd out?
11:50
er 8.04.1
11:50
<ogra>
since monday iirc
11:50
<Gadi>
heh
11:50
link?
11:51
<ogra>
the same one :P
11:51
it replaced 8.04
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<Gadi>
ogra: thx
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<Godfrey>
Many thanks, vagrantc and ogra... everything's working again.
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<delly84>
my client still hangs at "starting system log daemon" does anyone have any suggestions?
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<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get remove sysklogd
12:20
who needs logging anyway :P
12:20
<delly84>
:)
12:20
i'll try that, thx ogra
12:20* ogra dances ...
12:20
<ogra>
found the fix for i810
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<delly84>
ogra: is the client logging information through the server? is that why it is trying to authenticate via ldap?
12:29
<ogra>
no, in your case its trying to start a logging daemon on the client
12:29
enable remote logging on the server and set up the client to log to it ... then you still have logs but worked around the problem
12:30
<delly84>
how do i do that?
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<delly84>
nvm, i think i found it here:
12:35
http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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12:43
<Gadi>
fix for i810?
12:44
<ogra>
yeah, classmate
12:44
<Gadi>
im not ur classmate
12:44
:)
12:45
<ogra>
you could be :)
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<ogra>
i'm in the final stages of the cmpc image ... and one of four critical bugs was that the video didnt come back after resume
12:46
<Gadi>
ah
12:46
hey - ogra - maybe uve seen this...
12:47
I have a unit where the power button's "instant off feature" only works pre-OS
12:47
once the OS starts, it doesnt work
12:47
<ogra>
remove acpi ?
12:48
<Gadi>
remove it?
12:48
from the kernel?
12:48
<ogra>
no from the image
12:48
<Gadi>
acpid?
12:48
or the acpi module?
12:49
<ogra>
right
12:49
and you could indeed also try noacpi as bootoption
12:52
<Gadi>
hmm
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<Gadi>
fixed it!
13:18
disabled ACPI in the BIOS altogether
13:19
seems the BIOS's ACPI description tables are all screwed up
13:19
or at least the kernel doesn't get the right info from them
13:26
<ogra>
yeah, acpi is a pain
13:30
<vagrantc>
ogra: unless i'm mistaken, it looks like you didn't tag ltsp-5.1.10
13:31
<ogra>
ouch, might be
13:31
i bumped the version in the config
13:31
<vagrantc>
luckily, our process of committing a revision that only changes the version number easy to find
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<delly84>
ogra: i edited the file /etc/default/syslogd and added -r to the option for remote logging. then i rebuilt the image, but my client still hangs at "starting system log daemon". is there anything else i need to do to remote instead of local log?
14:22
* in the chroot
14:23
<vagrantc>
SYSLOG=remote in lts.conf, maybe?
14:23
and just to be sure, you edit /etc/default/syslogd on the server, not the chroot
14:24
shouldn't need to rebuild the image
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<ogra>
well, SYSLOG in ltsp-client defaults to $SERVER anyway
14:24
iirc
14:25
<vagrantc>
if SYSLOG is unset, it's the same as SYSLOG=remote ... and $SYSLOG_HOST defaults to $SERVER
14:25
<warren>
checking for XREXECD...
14:25
configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it
14:25
hmm
14:25
I'm not sure what I'm missing
14:26
<ogra>
why dont you just comment it out in the higher level makefile
14:26
its not needed at all
14:26
<warren>
yes, but we have to fix this anyway
14:26
<vagrantc>
it's still a proof of concept
14:26
<ogra>
and it builds with new autoconf
14:27
scott developed it on gutsy, no clue what was the default but that might be the minimal version
14:27
and i think he just copied the dir into the sourcetree after autoreconf
14:28
i really wouldnt care, it will change anyway and we can build for older versions then
14:28
<warren>
what version of autoconf is on gutsy?
14:29* ogra knwe warren would ask that ....
14:29
<stgraber>
autoconf | 2.61-4 | gutsy | source, all
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<ogra>
http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/autoconf
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<ogra>
yeah 2.61-4
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<warren>
2.61 here works
14:32
2.59 on RHEL5 doesn't work
14:32
<ogra>
right
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<ogra>
which somewhat proves my theory
14:32
<warren>
running autogen.sh with 2.61 then building the tarball on RHEL5 fails witht hat pkgconfig problem
14:32
I might just be missing a dep
14:32
<ogra>
then it should tell you which
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<ogra>
yo
14:58
...ghurt
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<Nubae>
lol
15:21
hey ogra, how's netbook-remix coming along?
15:21
<ogra>
no lpia image atm :(
15:21
i have to do the celeron stuff first
15:22
<Nubae>
ah, ok... no problem, regular ubuntu seems to run fine on the atom processor laptops anyway
15:22
<ogra>
yeah
15:22
<Nubae>
hey, did u see Hofer released a 400 euro laptop with atom processor?
15:22
<ogra>
for intrepid i'll do a real netbook image for the community
15:22
<Nubae>
I guess they have Hofer in Germany too
15:23
<ogra>
never heard of hofer
15:23
<Nubae>
oh... big Austrian chain...
15:23
<ogra>
aldi just sold a MSI netbook last week here
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<ogra>
(big german chain :) )
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<ogra>
yippiiiie .... my suspend fix works :)
15:24* ogra uploads the image
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<Nuba1>
http://www.heise.de/mobil/Aldi-verkauft-das-Mini-Notebook-Medion-Akoya-Mini-E1210-fuer-399-Euro--/artikel/110347/0
15:31
Aldi not Hofer, sorry n:-)
15:32
best bang for bucki so far I think
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<ogra>
well, the tech data for that aldi thing is pretty good
15:36
<Nuba1>
ah, Aldi in Germany, Hofer in Austria...
15:36
yeah I know... and same price as an asus
15:36
<ogra>
yeah, that might be
15:36
<Nuba1>
Ich denke ich kauf mir eins...
15:37* ogra was surprised finding aldi scattered all over the us
15:37
<ogra>
Nuba1, muss ich nich ... :)
15:38
<Nuba1>
wow yeah aldi is big...
15:38* Nuba1 didn't know they made laptops
15:38
<ogra>
they dont
15:38
they sell medion HW occasionally
15:39
usually only one stack per shop
15:39
<Nuba1>
ah right...
15:39
<ogra>
so they are opening at 8 and its all gone by 10
15:39
<Nuba1>
well, still a lot of these laptops around
15:40
<ogra>
once its on heise you can be sure to see queues at the stores on selling day
15:41
<Nuba1>
well, I need a mini-notebook for Nepal, so gonna get this I think
15:41
If they're still selling them tomorrow ;-)
15:41
<ogra>
heh
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<ogra>
if they do it like aldi they will be gone
15:42
<Nubae>
and they only sell at Aldi/Hofer?
15:43
<ogra>
no idea if you can get medion anywhere else
15:43
its only a trade company
15:43
they rebrand the HW
15:43
the aldi one is actually a wind river afaik
15:44
<Nubae>
oh
15:44
<stgraber>
ogra: medion is also sold in switzerland by the Coop and Interdiscount
15:45
<Nubae>
Jeez Acer Aspire One has its own version of linux on too
15:45
Linpus Linux
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<ogra>
stgraber, you still have coop ?
15:48
they died 10 years ago in .de
15:49
<Nubae>
ogra, you're right... wind = medion mini-book
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<ogra>
yep
15:50
my GF wanted one, but she was to late
15:50
<Nubae>
they say they start selling them in August
15:53
<stgraber>
ogra: yep, it's the 2nd biggest shop in switzerland (or first, depending on who they last bought :))
15:54
<ogra>
Interdiscount sounds a bit like it could come from GDR :)
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<aidy>
i can't get my nfs /home to mount properly on boot
16:02
what exactly am i supposed to do?
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<Nubae>
aidy: what do u mean?
16:12
I assume u are talking about low fat client
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<vagrantc>
warren: if you make any more commits today, could you also tag revision 742 as ltsp-5.1.10
16:18
i haven't made the tag as i haven't planned on doing any commits...
16:18
<warren>
oh
16:18
ok
16:18
did I screw something up?
16:18
<vagrantc>
no, not at all
16:18
<ogra>
sorry, my fuckup
16:18
<vagrantc>
yeah, blame ogra
16:19
warren: i just don't think you can push new tags without a commit, and ogra forgot to tag 5.1.10
16:19
and i'm not likely to commit anything in the near future
16:19
<ogra>
i dont (have to) use tags anywhere ... so i just bumped the version in the config file but forgot about the tgging
16:20
<vagrantc>
this is ltsp-trunk, we're talking about
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<aidy>
Nubae: im talking about a fatty client
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<aidy>
Nubae: made with ltsp
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<ogra>
aidy, is that ubuntu ?
16:31
<Nubae>
yeah he followed the howto
16:32
aidy: make sure you've got the right details in /etc/export for nfs
16:32
and check that nfs is being loaded on boot up of thin 'fat' client
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<ogra>
and make sure nfs-common is installed as well as portmap
16:49
<aidy>
well i can just do mount /home
16:49
and it works
16:49
but it's not automatic
16:50
it's in my fstab and everything
16:56
<Nubae>
are u doing it through lts.conf script?
16:56
Its the only way I got it working
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<aidy>
Nubae: no?
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<aidy>
Nubae: or do you mean configure_fstab=false?
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<opapo>
if I have a powerpc client and I boot off a x86 server
17:27
once I log in can I run x86 programs or do I have to stay with powerpc?
17:40
<ogra>
the session runs on the server
17:41
so whatever arch your server is will appear on your screen
17:48
<opapo>
so if a program only works on x86 machines and I have a powerpc client the client could use the program?
17:49
<ogra>
well, the server actually uses your program
17:49
the client only displays it
17:49
so yes
17:50
<opapo>
great
17:50
that's what I wanted to hear
17:50
I can't get flash to work properly on a powerpc
17:51
so I want to boot off the server, use the server's browser and the client see flash properly
17:51
ogra: thanks
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<vagrantc>
might still have issues with flash...
18:12
but that's another story.
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<Lns>
vagrantc, why would he have issues with flash?
18:29
(in regards to ppc arch anyway)
18:29
<vagrantc>
no more than usual, but people come in here having troubles with flash all the time
18:29
that's all
18:29
<Lns>
ah
18:29* Lns nods agreeably
18:30
<Lns>
I noticed an upgrade to libflashsupport today
18:30
does anyone have details on that? It couldn't give me the list of changes in the updmgr
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<aidy>
ogra: sorry to be bothering, but i still don't know the good way to have my /home mounted through nfs automatically
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<Nubae>
aidy follow the wiki tutorial
19:43
its
19:43
h
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has all the info u need
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remember also that in order to mount /home remotely, it must authenticate the user through ldm (ldap is the best and what its been tested with)
19:49* vagrantc wonders if you can emulate a different keyboard in virtualbox
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<aidy>
Nubae: okay :)
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<Nubae>
vagrantc: virtualbox prefernces -> language
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i think that does keyboard settings anyway
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<jammcq>
hello all
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