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Channel log from 29 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<newToLinux>
hi, is it possible to use headset with mic and webcam through ltsp thin client?
02:44
i´ve installed ubuntu hardy with latest update
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but, somewhat the ekiga or pidgin
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don´t detect any speaker or mic input
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done searching the launchpad and ubuntu forum
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and ltsp wiki
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but, a little regarding about running it through ltsp
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any other links please?
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to get the sound, mic and cam running on ltsp client
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<Patina>
I am trying to compile a kernel with nfsroot, but can not find the option to enable it. Any one know where it is, or if I need to enable something else too?
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<Patina>
Found it, need to enable "IP: kernel level autoconfiguration".
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<InfraRed`>
Hello
06:45
I have some questions i would like to ask
06:46
Ive been reading stuff about the linux terminal server project
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And im interested in linking about 40 computers
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I saw some mention of "fat" clients
06:48
Im not very familiar with the terminology here.. I know what a terminal server is and I understand how things work with thinclients
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but what about fat clients?
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Are these clients that boot localy and log onto the server where they have diskspace allocated to them?
06:50
Do they have applications installed locally and run them with their CPUs?
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Or do the terminal principles of everything running on the server apply?
06:51
The hardware i have available is not bad at all and Id like a setup where their computing power can be used
06:52
since we are talking about 40 users simultaniously working on computers... i suppose it would be quite hard on the server... so if applications could be installed on the server but ran by the clients, that would be ideal
06:53
not sure if this is what "fat" clients are.
06:53
Can someone clarify it for me please?
06:55
<Patina>
Sounds like you want "local apps", look for that in the docs.
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<InfraRed`>
I read about those ... theres even an example of firefox as a local app
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But i didnt quite understand
06:58
can any application be a local app?
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is this defined on each client?
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would this be thin clients with local apps or... ?
06:59
Thing is that most computers id have would be laptops and I was thinking if i could get them into a setup where people could use the PC outside the office as their PC and as a terminal while in the office
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<Jane_ux>
hi every1
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<InfraRed`>
hi
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<Jane_ux>
i am working with LTSP and ubuntu, I did a LTSP network for a kind of a small public library
07:08
I want the terminal computer to restore the home folder each time the user logout
07:08
i made a simple script to delete and then copy the user home folder
07:08
i put the script it in the init.d, so the home folder is restored, but when the server is restarted
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how can i do it when the terminal restart?? can i use the bashrc_logout or the /gmd/postsession/default??
07:08
sorry, when the terminal log out
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any idea??
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<InfraRed`>
(i know far too little to provide any solution in linux, much less this LTSP thing but) perhaps if you would put a line at the end of whatever runs when someone logs out/in
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<Jane_ux>
:) obviously
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thanks anyway
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<InfraRed`>
another solution perhaps
07:14
if u just have 1 user account
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u could go to
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erm... where is it, just a sec
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<Jane_ux>
lol
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<InfraRed`>
System > administration > sessions
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and tell it to execute that script.
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that should run when users log in.
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<Jane_ux>
if I place the script in the init.d folder of the LTSP image it will be executed when the terminal restarts?
07:20
infrared: in sessions the /home folder is already mounted, so dont know if its possible
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<InfraRed`>
when it restarts physically i guess.
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Jane_ux, u could just delete the files in it
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u could probably unmount it and remount it i guess.
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dont know enough about this stuff, just brainstorming
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<Jane_ux>
hiiii
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<Jane_ux>
how can i execute a script when the client-terminal logout???
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<Jane_ux>
hiiii
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which is the log-out process in LTSP? Where can I place an script to be executed when logout?
08:18
hiiiiiiiiiiii
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any1 there??
08:18
Where can I place a script to be executed in logout time in edubuntu(LDM)?
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<InfraRed`>
im here
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but i never even tried LTSP, still looking into it
08:22
the whole FAT client is a bit unclear to me
08:22
i understand thin clients and all
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but not sure about what this fat stuff is
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Jane_ux, did u try putting it into the sessions? perhaps it it will execute
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<Jane_ux>
heyyy infra I think i was clear in my question
08:23
do u know Where can I place a script to be executed in logout time in edubuntu(LDM)?
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if you dont know it just say so, nothing more :)
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<InfraRed`>
i did mention i dont know
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<Jane_ux>
anyway thanks
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<InfraRed`>
im just trying to see if there are other options for what u want done
08:25
if your main objective is to restore the home dir because u dont want people dumping files into it...
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<Jane_ux>
but you repeated 3 times d session thing
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<InfraRed`>
that can be done in numerus ways i think, of which logout is the most complicated one i guess
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yeah, sorry, dont mind me, im a noob.
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<Jane_ux>
:)
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with 200 users mayb its not bad idea in logout, anyway i just wanna know it
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Where can I place a script to be executed in logout time in edubuntu(LDM)? !!!!!
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<rjune>
Jane_ux: take a deep breath and quit flooding the channel.
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Do you want the script to run as the user? or are you wanting to do administration type stuff?
08:32
aka root
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<Jane_ux>
as user would be enough, iguess
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<rjune>
ok, as the user, you need to look at the environment you're using.
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<Jane_ux>
i want restore the home folder, remove it and copy a default 1
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<rjune>
ah.
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when I did that I made it part of the logon script.
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<Jane_ux>
ii think i ll do it with runlevels
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which logon script???
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<rjune>
the very first thing I did upon login was wipe the home dir and copy in a new one.
08:34
KDM login script.
08:34
are you using ltsp 4 or 5
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<Jane_ux>
ltsp5 with ubuntu
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ahhh ok
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but i preffer in logout
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i think i ll place it in rc5.d
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<InfraRed`>
told u logout was difficult ;D
08:46
rjune, while you are in the process of answering questions...
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I have looked into local apps a bit
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<rjune>
ok.
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<InfraRed`>
whats the status with that? I read that its quite difficult at the moment
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<rjune>
Not sure with ltsp5 I've never used it
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<InfraRed`>
is there any tools for this?
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i mean,... hows it look on other versions?
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<InfraRed`>
I have some pcs id like to put into a terminal server network for purpuses of administration
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But since theres a lot of computers and it would slow the server
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it would serve me well if applications would be installed on the server but ran locally
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<rjune>
LTSP 4 was a pain
08:50
I thought ltsp 5 would make it easier as you're using a distro, so install the ldap tools, configure it and go
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<InfraRed`>
i see
08:50
So basically local apps are stored on the server and then loaded into the memory of the clients that request it and ran from there with their resources?
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<rjune>
with local apps yeah kinda
08:53
more like the terminals mount the fileserver and run programs off of that
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<InfraRed`>
i see
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Is there a way to have this with "fat" clients
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I mean the computers id be converting to clients are laptops and it would be nice if they arent dead weight outside the office
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So i would like them to be independent outside the office, but act as terminal clients in the office
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possible?
08:56
whats the difference between fat clients and thin clients with local apps?
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<rjune>
effectively using local apps turns the thin client to a fat client
09:02
for your laptops, you might be better served using NX or vnc
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<InfraRed`>
nx?
09:05
googled it up, never mind
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hm...
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one more question
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how does linux run multiple instances of the same program?
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i mean memory wise
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if i have 3 users that all run say openoffice and firefox
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their content of course, being different will need its own space.. but what about the programs GUI etc
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<Jane_ux>
ltsp use the normal runlevels, rc0.d rc1.d, etc?????
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<InfraRed`>
what i mean is... if program A takes 100mb program B 100mb and program C 100 mb of memory
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does running 3 instances of program A consume the same amount of resources as running A B and C ?
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<Jane_ux>
are they logged in as the same user??
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<InfraRed`>
no, different user
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<Jane_ux>
so they are not instance, i guess
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so they run 3 different programs, A,B and C
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<InfraRed`>
was thinking if it would be possible to have some user abstraction that would route users like a switch
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so basically it would be 1 username that other usernames would work through so that instances would be created ... but then again, a user ends the program and everthying goes bye bye... never mind
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hell, i think ssh -X is the closest to what id want...
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<warren>
anybody here for the k12linux meeting?
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<warren>
I just want to sleep, but I'll see if anybody has any questions.
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I've been working on a few different things but nothing is in shape for checkin yet.
09:39
keyboard layout, ability to set a session default
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<petre>
why the urge to sleep now? Were you up all night?
09:44
<warren>
chronic pain
09:44
I had a good 8 hours of sleep
09:45
anyway, the upcoming LTSP hackfest should theoretically bring a flood of new stuff
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<petre>
sorry to hear about the pain.
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<warren>
If not code, at least agreement on exactly what we want
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<petre>
hackfest in OR?
09:46
<warren>
yes
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<petre>
what ideas are floating around?
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local apps, I suppose
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<warren>
local apps is the big one
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<Jane_ux>
how can I execute a script in LTSP when the client/thin user log in??
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<petre>
put it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local?
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<warren>
Jane_ux: script on the server as the user, or as the client?
09:55
<Jane_ux>
as the client
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<rjune>
warren: you do anything with xen?
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<Jane_ux>
i am trying in the rc0.d and rc2.d
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but it doesnt seems to work
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<warren>
Jane_ux: that part works completely differently on fedora so I can't help you
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rjune: sort of
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<Jane_ux>
ok warren
09:56
thanks anyway
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<rjune>
warren: I have vm disk image with two partitions on it. I need to mount one of the partitions.
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<warren>
i've done that once, there is a command to do it...
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I always forget what that command is
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<rjune>
if the image had no partitions, that's easy, mount -oloop
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<laga>
i think you can tell it the offset of the partition
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<warren>
there is a command that actually reads the partition format inside the image
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and makes the partitions available as block devices
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<rjune>
http://www.novell.com/communities/node/2638/how-mount-specific-partition-xen-file-backed-virtual-disk
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<cyberorg>
rjune, nice :)
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<Jane_ux>
heyyyy
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<warren>
kpartx
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<Jane_ux>
do u know if ltsp run rc2.d in ubuntu????
10:07
<warren>
rjune: does your distro have kpartx?
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<Jane_ux>
I placed an script there but but it doesnt execute??!! :(
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<rjune>
warren: dunno
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what is kpartx?
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this is on opensuse
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<warren>
kpartx uses devicemapper to read a file image and make partitions in the image available as block devices
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in /dev
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<rjune>
ah, nifty
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I'll have to look
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warren: do you happen to know some about mysql?
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<warren>
not really
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<InfraRed`>
Jane_ux> how can I execute a script in LTSP when the client/thin user log in?? < told u so :D
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<petre>
I need to drop off; the X fonts on my F9 got trashed somehow, must switch machines
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<Jane_ux>
ok, i ll b more precise
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i want to restore the home folder of the user when he login
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by removing and then copy the default home folder
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using a simple script that it is working
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<InfraRed`>
k
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<Jane_ux>
if I add the script into sessions, the srcript run ok, but gnome av some errors
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<InfraRed`>
id suggest what i already suggested... system preferences sessions
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put the script u have there
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<Jane_ux>
because have deleted its home folder
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<InfraRed`>
it should execute when a user logs into the desktop
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<Jane_ux>
:)
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yes it does
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but
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<InfraRed`>
dont delete the home folder
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leave the home folder as it is, just delete whatever is inside it
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except for gnome stuff of course
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<Jane_ux>
but i need to delete everything
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in case the user chane gnome configuration files
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<InfraRed`>
ah
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<Jane_ux>
how to tell gnome to use this new home folder as home????
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<InfraRed`>
i think it needs to be restarted.
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or...
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perhaps u should copy over it
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thoguh i doubt it
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i think there may be a different solution
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<Jane_ux>
i av been thinkin hard, and i think the best way is that 1
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but maybe i could execute the script before gnome is execute??
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how can i do that??
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<petre>
warren: any idea what would cause all fonts under X on the server to get trashed?
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<InfraRed`>
Jane_ux, that would have to do with GDM then ..
10:52
<warren>
petre: no idea
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<Jane_ux>
I tryed also by init.d with rc0.d, rc2.d, etc but it doesnt work
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<petre>
system-config-display will run, but all the text that normally appears is either not there or just some flat lines
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<InfraRed`>
i have a better idea Jane_ux
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<Jane_ux>
ok tell me
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<InfraRed`>
Did u look at system > administration > authorizations
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<petre>
anything graphical is unreadable
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<cyberorg>
Jane_ux, http://opseast.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/sledgnome-desktop-lockdown/
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<Jane_ux>
ooopsss
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yes i know
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but i dont want lock down, i want to replace the /home folder as i said
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<InfraRed`>
generally if u have the files backed up, just copying them to the home directory would work
10:56
i think your problem is in deleting the home directory while gnome is running
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<Jane_ux>
yes that is the problem
10:56
any solution?
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<cyberorg>
Jane_ux, run userdel and useradd as a cron to run every night
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put the stuff you want in new users home can be put in /etc/skel
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<Jane_ux>
sorry cyberdog, not that way pls, i told u already the problem, do u know the solution!!
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<InfraRed`>
Jane_ux, what u want to do is virtually contradictory
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<Jane_ux>
lol
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<InfraRed`>
think about it
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u want to delete where a user holds all the files that define how his desktop should behave
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while he is logged into it
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<Jane_ux>
ok i asked how to execute a script in log in before gnome is executed???!!
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<InfraRed`>
im not sure if users MUST have a home directory or not.... but im inclinde towards the fact that they do need one
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<Jane_ux>
you confuse me
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<InfraRed`>
gnome is exectued with gdm
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but when u log into the user
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<Jane_ux>
if u dont know the answer to a question, say so or dont replay pls
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<InfraRed`>
when u log in with the user, doesnt that create some files that the session is logged in in his home directory
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u need to delete it before he logs in actually
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well apparently noone else is helping u
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<Jane_ux>
infrared: i dont know if u av any idea about that, or u just telling random things
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from the beggining I said
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<Jane_ux>
i cant do it with init.d
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<InfraRed`>
Jane_ux, im just trying to help as much as i can.
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<InfraRed`>
Im sure theres a way to provide the functionality u want... either through locking the desktop or through some other way that doesnt involve deleting files that are in use.
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<Jane_ux>
Anyone knows if LTSP in ubuntu execute init.d as normal, rc0.d, rc2.d, etc???
11:03
you dont help me, u confuse me :)
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u just answer my questions with the same quenstion
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<InfraRed`>
my suggestion is that you lock the desktop
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as for deleting a home directory
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i cant help you with it since it escapes my logic how it would be done in some simple automated way without difficulties for the end user.
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<Jane_ux>
ok yes infrared, just say so from the beginning please, u dont know it
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we have been wasting almost half an hour
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<InfraRed`>
I did mention that, didnt i?
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(i think i even explained it)
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<Jane_ux>
shut up
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go away
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:(
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<InfraRed`>
Im sure theres someone who knows though, good luck finding them
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<InfraRed`>
(eventhough my solution so far was the closest u got to what u want, pff)
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<Jane_ux>
why a script located in rc2.d is not executed when the thin client starts?? im using Ubuntu and LTSP
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<InfraRed`>
wild guess would be permissions.
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I think i have a solution for u
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usermod /d
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usermod -d
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u should be able to login and on login run that script through system preferences sessions
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except, before u try and delete and copy
11:19
<Jane_ux>
go away
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<InfraRed`>
change user directory to some new directory
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then delete the old /home/user
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copy what u need to copy
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then do usermod -d <restored directory>
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<Jane_ux>
i tryed that and it doesnt work neither
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but good point :) thanks
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LTSP use the same start process as Ubuntu with rc0.d, rc1.d, etc?????
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<InfraRed`>
probablz
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: do you mean the server or the thin-client? the server uses the same process. the thin-client uses the same process, although some specific init scripts are disabled by default.
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<Jane_ux>
then, why the client doesnt execute my script in rc0.d or rc2.d??
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the script run ok, permisions ok, image updated ok
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<InfraRed`>
client!=
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client just recieves data from the server, it doesnt do anything id imagine
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it just boots the OS from the server
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isnt that /the/ essence of terminal computing?
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<Jane_ux>
and it execute init.d!!!!
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http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-theory.html
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<InfraRed`>
lets see
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<Jane_ux>
point number 12
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<Nubae>
Jane_ux: still same problem?
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<Jane_ux>
i guess, yes
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The init program will read the /etc/event.d directory and begin setting up the thin client environment. From there, upstart will begin reading the startup commands in /etc/rcS.d.
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<InfraRed`>
u need to edit the init.d stuff in the image that it loads as far as i understand it
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and even then, u will have to hard reboot the pc to have it executed.... if it will even allow this remote delition
11:55
erm... no sorrz, my bad
11:55
seems like it needs to be in the servers init.d...
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no idea what and where u are doing something and why it doesnt work, maybe someone else can help, im out of ideas
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: what is your script attempting to do?
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: probably even better: what is the goal you are trying to accomplish?
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<Jane_ux>
vagrantc: i want to restore the home folder when the user logoin
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or logout, i thinks is even easier..
12:09
how can i execute a script when the client-terminal logout??
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<vagrantc>
could do it with an ldm rc.d hook
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<Jane_ux>
how can i do that??
12:09
in gdm I know, but in ldm not idea
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vagrantc: u mean by placing the script in rc6.d???
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/SNN-some-script on the client
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<Nuba1>
problem is he's trying to restore a /home folder when the user is logging in
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<Jane_ux>
ok vagrant i ll try that thanks
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<Nuba1>
home is already mounted by then
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter
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Jane_ux: and then i'd have a server-side script
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<Jane_ux>
ok
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: so /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/SNN-some-script: ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} server "/usr/local/bin/some-reset-homdir-script"
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where /usr/local/bin/some-reset-homedir-script does the work.
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<Jane_ux>
okok
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the script is simple, just restore the user home folder, #rm -fR /home/user #tar xvfz /home/user.tar.gz
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so i place it in  /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/ isnt it???
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and the line ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} server "/usr/local/bin/some-reset-homdir-script"
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where i have to add it??
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vagrantc: thanks very much :), this is in login time, do you know how to do it in logout????
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<Jane_ux>
ok, almost solved, the login script works fine
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but how to execute in logout time in ldm??
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: logout doesn't really work.
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Jane_ux: probably better at login anyways.
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<Jane_ux>
ok
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<Nuba1>
Jane_ux: u won't be the last person to ask about that... would be nice in a wiki some place... your steps to do that...
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<Jane_ux>
vagrantc: why in logout doesnt work???
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<vagrantc>
Jane_ux: because the ssh tunnel is destroyed when you log out
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<Jane_ux>
but just before the ssh tunnel is destroyed???
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is there anyway to run an excript in logout with ldm?
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<Jane_ux>
which is the LDM command to logout from the terminal????
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<Nuba1>
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/02/14/%23edubuntu.txt - thats a past irc conversation about doing exactly that
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but with no solution so ignore that
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<Jane_ux>
If I use (copy) the same home folder for all the users, is gonna be any conflict or problem????
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<epoxy|w3rk>
is there a way to mask the init process? like throw up a status bar or atleast a black screen?
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<|Ryan52>
epoxy|w3rk: what distro are you using?
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<vagrantc_>
Jane_ux: if you take a running user's home directory and copy it to another's, yes there will likely be problems.
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<epoxy|w3rk>
|Ryan52, debian
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etch
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<vagrantc_>
epoxy|w3rk: install upsplash-theme-debian upsplash, add "quiet splash" to the boot arguments
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or just add quiet to the boot arguments
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<epoxy|w3rk>
k
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<vagrantc_>
depends on how fancy you want it
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<|Ryan52>
vagrantc_: but, that won't make the already generated initramfs have usplash, right?
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<vagrantc_>
|Ryan52: ah, correct ...
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epoxy|w3rk: you'll have to run ltsp-update-kernels after installing that stuff ... and you'll need to add a configuration file so your somewhere to set BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
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