IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 July 2012   (all times are UTC)

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17:37
<uskerine>
hi, is there any possibility to launch a thin client against a ltsp server remotely? (via any vpn that tunnels ethernet or something?)
17:37
i am not concerned with speed, just funcionality
17:37
i am not concerned with speed, just functionality
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17:44
<Hyperbyte>
Also not concerned with patience, apparently.
17:49
<DJUnreal>
or the way PXE works :P
17:49
only way i could see that working is a point-to-point firewall based VPN lol
17:51
<Hyperbyte>
DJUnreal, no
17:52
LTSP doesn't have to PXE
17:52
You can write the whole LTSP chroot including lts.conf to a USB stick, for example
17:52
And then boot that
17:52
<DJUnreal>
true
17:52
<Hyperbyte>
Doesn't even need VPN, it can work over the internet.
17:52
Just not the PXE part.
17:52
<DJUnreal>
but he specifically said a 'thin client'
17:52
:P
17:53
<Hyperbyte>
Well it all depends if you define thin client as a computer without any storage medium, or as a computer which runs it's software on a central server
17:58
<DJUnreal>
true that
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18:25
<DJUnreal>
hey telex
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18:39
<||cw>
if you have a hardware vpn/router, and set it up right, you could, technically, pxe over the vpn. not sure I'd want to unless on a nice MPLS or something stupid fast
18:40
<DJUnreal>
||cw: how about my work's site to site link... 10GBPS dark fibre?
18:40
<alkisg>
ipxe ftw, supports even http booting :)
18:40
<||cw>
I'll take 2
18:41
<DJUnreal>
hey alexqwesa__, risca
18:41
alkisg even
18:41* DJUnreal fails at autocomplete
18:41
<alkisg>
Hi DJUnreal, hi all :)
18:41
<risca>
Hi
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19:00* DJUnreal wonders how hard it is to organise a curry and beer/cider night for a bunch of 18-25 year olds
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19:53
<baptiste>
wow, gpxe turned into iPXE, and even got called version 1.0.0
20:07
I tried to bootstrap gpxe from pxe and then boot from iscsi but this failed
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20:31
<baptiste>
wow my idea of ltsp thin clients and iscsi workstations is spoiled, now that ltsp does fat client so out of the box you can just do it all with ltsp.
20:32
<muppis>
We almost ended up to use ltsp in our cloud enviroment, but nbd failed in critical point.
20:34
<baptiste>
awesome, there's #ipxe channel here on freenode, I'll have to try again my stupid things and talk about it to people there
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20:35
<DJUnreal>
muppis: tried NFS instead?
20:36
<muppis>
DJUnreal, yep. We use that now.
20:38
<alkisg>
muppis: what was the reason nbd failed?
20:39
<muppis>
alkisg, switching from server to another.
20:40
<alkisg>
You mean when one server goes down, another to take its place?
20:40
<muppis>
Even using same IP all the time, didn't survive from that.
20:40
Yez.
20:40
(I hate onscreen kb..)
20:41
<alkisg>
I think the reconnection feature of nbd is broken, so you'd have to use nbd-proxy or xnbd for that..
20:41
...or find/submit the proper bug fix for the nbd module
20:42
<muppis>
That was a year ago, running good now. :)
20:43
Tried proxy and xnbd, neither didn't work correctly.
20:43
<alkisg>
Ouch
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20:44
<alkisg>
Well, for the future, I want to look on how to export btrfs snapshots without exporting the whole disk
20:44
E.g. the btrfs formatted server boots, then one does a btrfs snapshot, runs a cleanup phase (removing passwords etc), and exports the result in a couple of seconds,
20:45
I don't know which network-exportable file system will be best suited for that...
20:45
<muppis>
Me neither.
20:47
But now to catch some sxleep.
20:49
<baptiste>
what about sshfs, it's kind of dumb using it for anything but it's what I end up doing for my personal and small scale uses.
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20:51
<alkisg>
Btrfs offers compression, but if it's exported via nfs or sshfs, then it's decompressed on the server, not on the client, so that makes it require more network bandwidth
20:51
NBD exports the whole device as a block, so the decompression then happens on the client
20:52
I guess the best implementation would be "NBD but with the sectors not within the snapshot to be reported as zero-filled"
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20:56
<uskerine>
hi
20:56
i insert a usb memory into the usb socket of the thin client, and nothing happens
20:56
how could i debug?
20:59
<baptiste>
can you use a local console on the client, and run lsusb to know if it shows up?
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20:59
<uskerine>
ok
20:59
<||cw>
and are you using ltspfs?
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<uskerine>
how can i know if i am using ltspfs?
21:00
i think i see the usb memory stick
21:00
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0951:1649 Kingston Technology
21:00
<||cw>
did you install and configure it?
21:01
<uskerine>
i used "plain" ltsp installation
21:01
<||cw>
well, if you want client usb on the host, you use ltspfs, as I understand it. I've not done it myself
21:02
just like if you want a client printer on the host, you use CUPS
21:02
<uskerine>
so what should i do?
21:04
<||cw>
uh, install it?
21:06
<uskerine>
is there anyone who has actually managed to get usb memory sticks running on the thin client?
21:09
thanks ||cw i will investigate on ltspfs
21:09
<DJUnreal>
alkisg: wakey wakey
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21:10
<||cw>
this might be a good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
21:10
<DJUnreal>
!ltspfs
21:10
<ltsp>
DJUnreal: I do not know about 'ltspfs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltspfs-source'
21:11
<DJUnreal>
!ltspfs-source
21:11
<ltsp>
DJUnreal: ltspfs-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk/files
21:11
<baptiste>
I've done something stupid to use a hard drive plugged in the ltsp fat client (not thin client). I mounted it and launched a sshd as root (copy missing ssh keys with scp from /etc/ssh on the server). then I can access the hard drive partition with sshfs. this has no relation to using memory sticks on thin clients but it's fun and useful (80GB of free storage for movies)
21:23
<uskerine>
i would definitively fell more comfortable with someone who has actually previously installed
21:24
i would definitively feel more comfortable with someone who has actually previously installed (i mean usb memory stick support in thin/fat clients)
21:29
<DJUnreal>
alkisg helped write this stuff i assume
21:30
<uskerine>
i will wait for alkisg wisdom then
21:30
better wait and listen than hurry up and break something
21:31* alkisg doesn't use local devices
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21:31
<alkisg>
Nor localapps... either plain thin, or plain fat
21:32
Fat clients automatically see usb sticks without ltspfs
21:33
baptiste: users in the sudo group have local disk access for fat clients without ltspfs/sshfs etc
21:33
If you want non-sudoers to have access too, you'd have to adjust policykit
21:34
<uskerine>
i have inserted the usb memory stick on the ltsp server
21:34
i see the icon now on the thin client
21:35
but
21:35
i get "not authorized" message
21:35
what's happening ?
21:35
<alkisg>
That's because it's mounted by the user on the server
21:35
Normal udisks behavior, disks are readable only for the user that mounted them, not related to ltsp
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21:36
<uskerine>
ok
21:36
understood
21:36
<alkisg>
Which distro/version/DE?
21:36
<uskerine>
xubuntu
21:36
<alkisg>
12.04?
21:36
<uskerine>
right
21:36
alkisg, althoug you do not use mix of thin/fat clients, so you do not use usb memory sticks with thin clients, is it easy enough to set up?
21:37
<alkisg>
AFAIK usb sticks on the client should be automatically mounted even on xubuntu, but desktop shortcuts for them only appear in gnome
21:37
<baptiste>
alright. but to be clear, I'm accessing the hard drive from the server (my workstation). I'm using ltsp as a poor man's NAS
21:37
<alkisg>
baptiste: ah, ok then, although I'd be using nbd in that case
21:38
nbd-server on the client, nbd-client on the server
21:39
<uskerine>
alkisg
21:39
when i plug in the usb stick in the thin client
21:39
i see how it is detected
21:39
and actually it seems to be mounted
21:39
/dev/sda on /run/drives/BOOKSMAGAZI type vfat (rw,utf8)
21:39
but it disappears in few seconds
21:39
why?
21:39
<alkisg>
Check dmesg
21:39
<uskerine>
dmesg is fine
21:39
shows how usb is connected and detected
21:40
<alkisg>
I'm not good with localdevs, I haven't used them nor read their code
21:40
<uskerine>
[...]
21:40
alkisg, althoug you do not use mix of thin/fat clients, so you do not use
21:40
sorry
21:40
[10686.783969] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk
21:40
<alkisg>
I'm using a mix of thin/fats, but only plain thin/plain fats from the same fat chroot
21:40
<uskerine>
(that was old copy/paste)
21:41
<alkisg>
/run/drives doesn't ring a bell though, I thought ltspfs mounted them elsewhere
21:41
Anyways, 'night all...
21:42
<baptiste>
gn
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21:44
<uskerine>
i will try with LOCAL_STORAGE=yes in lts.conf
21:44
(just in case is so easy)
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<||cw>
/media/drives ?
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<uskerine>
c
21:50
just in case somebody is interested, adding LOCAL_STORAGE=yes in lts.conf will auto mount on /media/username/ the usb stick
21:51
this can be accessed directly from the thin client, although no icon is automatically created in the file manager (at least in xubuntu)
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