IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 October 2011   (all times are UTC)

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01:27
<cliebow>
ltsp!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:30
<highvoltage>
whohoo
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01:44
<pr0d>
Hi all, im curios if i can make a wireless thin-client, Im not really bothered if its an ugly way of doing it. I would just like if my netbook could be the x server for my home made router. Im using ubuntu on all machines
01:44
any ideas would be hugely appreciated
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03:23
<laurei>
I just don't konw hwere to start for installing a network printer driver
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10:56
<nubae>
I have what should amount to a super super simple question.... I try to delete a user from either gui or terminal, and when i restart them up, users just reappear
10:56
then i thought, ah maybe shadow is screwing with, so i deleted the users from shadow
10:57
start up gui, still there
10:58
now my question.... where in GODS name is the user table really stored
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<nubae>
hey Gadi
10:59
I have what should amount to a super super simple question.... I try to delete a user from either gui or terminal, and when i restart them up, users just reappear
10:59
then i thought, ah maybe shadow is screwing with, so i deleted the users from shadow
10:59
start up gui, still there
10:59
now my question.... where in GODS name is the user table really stored
11:01
oh and i just deleted webmin too in case that had something to do eith it
11:03
thankk god... seems it was webmin interfering
11:04
now i know why people said dont install webmin :-) on an ltsp server
11:04
<Hyperbyte>
nubae, sans the 'on an ltsp server'
11:05
<nubae>
well works ok on non ltsp servers
11:06
at least i havent noticed problems
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but yeah, my trust in it has just dwindled from 60% to about 5%
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<nubae>
highvoltage, hey turns out the school has been paying canonical for support
12:21
yet they really have done nothing...
12:22
I didnt even know they supported LTSP
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<vagrantc>
!seen gadi
14:22
<ltsp>
vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 20 hours, 3 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Gadi> ;)
14:23
<vagrantc>
!seen alkisg
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<ltsp>
vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 22 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <alkisg> Or just "avahi-browse"
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<matrix3000>
!seen matrix3000
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<ltsp>
matrix3000: matrix3000 was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 21 hours, 11 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <matrix3000> network-manager wasn't installed
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<nubae>
wow... never ever use multiple methods of entering users
14:51
or u will pay for it in serious time
14:51
here they used command line, gui, and webmin
14:52
wow... I'm on my second day of unravelling this spaghetti mess
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<Hyperbyte>
nubae, there's no problem with editing users both via command line and GUI, as long as you use compatible tools that edit in the same backend.
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<Hyperbyte>
I believe Webmin keeps a seperate user administration, apart from /etc/passwd
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<vagrantc>
webmin went unmaintained so many years for a reason
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<nubae>
believe me, Iǘe been doing this for 2 days now
15:01
if a user exists in /etc/passwd
15:02
and u try and delete it from the gui
15:02
the next time u start up the gui, the user is still there
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<vagrantc>
nubae: what mess have you gotten yourself tangled with this time?
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<nubae>
the other way round works though
15:03
ie... delete a user from /etc/passwd and it reflects in the gui when one saves
15:04
its not my mess, its a mess im sorting out at a school that was using ltsp, then the ltsp connoseur left
15:04
they decided to install windows on the systems, but left the server intact
15:04
and I'm now undoing that mess
15:05
they were editing users in both webmin and gui
15:05
which really screwed things up
15:06
but a surrising thing was that if u have a user in /etc/passwd, and u open the gui, delete the user from the gui
15:06
then restart the gui, the user is still there
15:06
and hasnt been expunged from /etc/passwd either
15:06
this may be webmin mess though
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<vagrantc>
sounds like a pretty buggy gui user manager
15:06
<Hyperbyte>
"may be" ? :-)
15:07
<nubae>
well... i thought it was pretty buggy yeah, but cant blame it really only on that since they used webmin
15:07
uninstalling webmin was the first step
15:08
now im manually fixing stuff by comparing /etc/group with /etc/passwd and the gui
15:08
oh... and the gui has stopped showing several fields altogether :-)
15:08
so yes, its buggy
15:08
very buggy
15:09
maybe on restart the gui will go back to normal when ive fixed everything
15:09
well see
15:09
but its an interesting test case
15:09
<Hyperbyte>
It could also be that your nsswitch or pam config is borked.
15:09
<nubae>
nah, then no logins would work
15:10
and they do if u put a new user in the gui
15:10
or fix it by hand
15:10
its not a pam thing for sure
15:11
its either buggy gui, or webmin discharge
15:11
either way i charge by the hour so
15:11
:p
15:13
is the user gui coded in python?
15:13
maybe i could take a look
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<nubae>
basically... it should be added somewhere to the ltsp guide that if u are cleaning your user database u should clean it from /etc/passwd, then save, and it will reflect in your gui
15:22
the reverse is _not_ true
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<Hyperbyte>
Why? That's not exactly an LTSP issue...
15:23
Probably better to report the bug to the maintainers of the GUI
15:24
And seriously doubt you can reproduce it on a new install, to be honest.
15:24
<nubae>
the gui is for ltsp users isnt it?
15:24
bewt
15:24
bet i can
15:24
:p
15:24
<Hyperbyte>
What I mean is - the GUI isn't part of the LTSP package. :)
15:24
<nubae>
wger?
15:24
wager?
15:24
<Hyperbyte>
And I think, if you really can, and report the bug with details... it'll be fixed quickly.
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<nubae>
hmmm
15:25
nothing is ever fixed quickly
15:25
unless one does it themselves
15:26
hyperbyte u running ubuntu right now?
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<nubae>
hey question... to mount the local discs on fat systems it asks for a root pass
15:45
do i need to create a root pass for the chroot?
15:46
or can they automount somehow with a lts flag?
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<Hyperbyte>
nubae, on my LTSP server, yes, Ubuntu 11.04
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<cliebow>
ANYONE AT THE sEAWALL YET?
21:25
damn cat
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<kusznir>
Hi all: I've still got my problems getting thin clients to boot, and I'm completely out of troubleshooting ideas.
21:44
My thin clients are successfully pxe'ing the kernel and initrd, and the kernel starts to load. At some point, the screen goes completely blank, and the client goes completely unresponsive and stays that way until hard-reset.
21:46
I've tried ubuntu 10:10 and 11:04 images,a nd both break. However, everything does work with my (very old) server running 9:11 or something like that.
21:46
I've turned off all the quiet options
21:47
The kernel spews a lot out as it boots, but then goes blank near the end still. I don't know how to turn that off. Terminals are DevonIT (eg, Atom 230/Intel video based)
21:47
<Lns>
kusznir: I have to run, and don't know the rest of your troubleshooting background, but it sounds like a video driver issue. Try CTRL+ALT+F1, do you get a local TTY login? Try setting a root password in the chroot and log in to look at the X.org logs if that's the case.
21:48
<kusznir>
Lns: tried that, ctrl-alt-* have no effect.
21:48
It really appears the terminals hard-lock at that point.
21:48
<Lns>
wow
21:48
have you tried remote syslog to try and pinpoint the problem?
21:48
<kusznir>
No. Do I need to do anyting explicit to enable remote syslog?
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<Lns>
an lts.conf option
21:49
it's been a while for me, but hopefully that will log something that the TC isn't showing you
21:49
Can you ping the TC when they supposedly hard-lock?
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<kusznir>
Haven't tried that either; I'll figure out what IP they're getting.
21:50
<Lns>
if you can, try enabling sshd and maybe you can log in that way to examine logs.
21:51
Gotta run, but good luck!
21:51
<kusznir>
thanks!
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<kusznir>
It never responds to ping.
21:54
so network doesn't load and thus it never remote-syslog's anything.
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<cliebow>
crap...i d think ogra would be on from Maine n a few hours..
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<kusznir>
I'm finding a post about my hardware from my old version that talks about the broke intel video drivers, but no bugfixes planned.
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I'm not finding anything relevent to current versions, though.
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<kusznir>
Further updates: netbooting a desktop loads just fine.
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Booting the thin client in question with a USB CDrom drive and an ubuntu 11.04 disk suffers the same problem (initially). After messing with options, acpi=off seems to make it boot.
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That also shows me that the place at which the crash normally occurs is when the console font is applied.
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<cliebow>
mistik1...miss ya
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<kusznir>
However, I edited pxelinux.cfg/default and added "acpi=off" to the append line, and received no change.
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<cliebow>
kusznir, i am so far behind i cant begin to help..
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<kusznir>
Adding "nolapic" seems to have gotten me through that mess.
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Now I have to undo enough of my debugging to actually get it to boot semi-normally :)
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<cliebow>
good grief..
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<kusznir>
I'm tempted to try and start over with a clean server install now, and just remember to add those two back in :)
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<cliebow>
a big part of the group will be together this weekend
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you in ubuntu..or whaat??
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<kusznir>
Yea, ubuntu, but with some "wierdnesses"
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<cliebow>
i can ask the "floatng heads" to think about it..
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<kusznir>
My main server is a nice, rackmount machine running Xen. I run my own network enviornment, but its for a research lab, so there's more than just ltsp running on it...for example, I have a dedicated router/firewall that does dhcp. In any case, the main goal I'm trying to design now is: 1) a dedicated ltsp thin client server (eg, only handles thin client booting/os stuff; NOT running X), and 2 ubuntu VMs that are my main terminal servers that the
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thin clients log users into.
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All three VMs run on the Xen server (with about a half dozen other VMs necessary to make my network run)
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<cliebow>
i ve been servicing macbochool went one to one macoks for my job lately since my s
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<kusznir>
Is there any special options required to enable dual-head on a thin client?
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<cliebow>
you have to ping ogra..or gadi..i am way way behind
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<kusznir>
wow...ltsp docs are pretty bad..."upstream" docs are often covering ltsp 4.2 code instead of the current 5.x release.