IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 29 December 2006   (all times are UTC)

00:05
<Empiric>
hai
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i have a prb on my ltsp server
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i have 70 users
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on hp sun server
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with 5 gb ram
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3 gig cpu
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one of my users complain that
00:06
if some one saves a word file of 5 mb
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all desktop goes slow until that file is saved
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any idea wahts this
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01:26
<ThinClient>
hi
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<ThinClient>
listen
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the 12 steps for local device support are necessary for fedora ltsp distribution
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01:36
<vagrantc>
ThinClient: is it not working for you?
01:36
<ThinClient>
yes i m getting problem
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but are these steps are necessary for fedora LTSP distribution
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01:37
<vagrantc>
LTSP 4.2 on fedora, or something different?
01:38
<ThinClient>
i m using Fedora k-12 Distribution
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n LTSP 4.3
01:40
<vagrantc>
cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/versionn
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or rather, cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
01:41
<ThinClient>
[root@mainframe ~]# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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#
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# Linux Terminal Server Project - LTSP
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# For more info, visit http://www.ltsp.org
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#
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VERSION=4.2 update 3
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[root@mainframe ~]#
01:41
<vagrantc>
i would think the 12 steps are what you need, then.
01:41
!checklist
01:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
01:42
<ThinClient>
i have done those 12 steps but the problem is still there
01:42
<vagrantc>
what is the problem?
01:46
<ThinClient>
well give me some time . i have to document all this again n i will talk to u
01:47
<vagrantc>
ThinClient: well, i must sleep. good luck! :)
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04:56
<ohmbr>
hi, i have ltsp-4.2 and I cant configure abnt keyboard..
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I looked for it on ltsp.org... but ther explain how to configure it on ltsp 3...
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does somebody know where can i find some thing to fix it?
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05:08
<deep-blue>
hello
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05:10
<deep-blue>
im running ltsp. Should i get kicker after login in with kdm?
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<deep-blue>
and with kicker i mean the "taskbar"
05:11
i only get a console, i think its xterm
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05:20
<ohmbr>
I found the solution to the keyboard abnt to ltsp-4 ... how do I put it on wiki?
05:21
<deep-blue>
ohmbr: can you tell me, should i get the taskbar with the default ltsp-setup? X starts nicely, but i only get xterm
05:22
and im trying to use kde
05:24
<ohmbr>
deep-blue: sorry... i dont know...
05:24
<deep-blue>
no problem
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06:43
<yanu>
i can buy a compaq T20 thin client, does those work well with ltsp?
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<cliebow_>
yanu:never tried one..will it pxe boot?
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07:22
<yanu>
some of then, that's what i read on googlo
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<yanu>
s/then/them and s/googlo/google
07:28
acha, when it have pxe, then there is no problem (List: ltsp-discuss)
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07:36
<jammcq>
howdie
07:43
<yanu>
hmm, wierd machine so to see, i'm don't like it (compac T20)
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07:58
<cliebow_>
yanu:i give typing classes if you need them 8~)
08:07
<yanu>
do you give classes on dvorak? ;)
08:16
<pscheie>
jammcq: are you on?
08:22
<jammcq>
pscheie: yep
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08:30
<cliebow_>
T33gan03
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<pscheie>
jammcq: I'm trying to get a better understanding of how X works on the client.
08:36
my specific problem is a new desktop machine that I also use as a thin client via etherboot floppy
08:37
I have FC6 installed on the client machine. It says it's using a vesa driver for X and gives me 1600x1200
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But the best res I can get as a thin client is 1024x768, also using the vesa driver. why is that?
08:38
Is vesa driver !- vesa driver?
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That is, is it a case of not all vesa drivers are the same?
08:39
The FC6 correctly identifies the vid hardware, but LTSP says it can't identify it and falls back to vesa
08:39
<jammcq>
umm
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the default resolution in LTSP is 1024x768
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what happens if you specify: X_MODE_0 = 1600x1200
08:40
<pscheie>
I get 1024x768
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08:43
<pscheie>
Actually, I didn't try 1600x1200; I just tried 1280x1024 but still got just 1024x768
08:45
Another related question: yesterday someone was on asking for help with an old 1MB Cirrus Logic vid card
08:45
He could only get 640x480 on the client.
08:46
The wiki talks about trying some of the old XFree86 drivers, but those aren't shipped any more (the wiki page is old I suspect)
08:47
In theory, should one be able to install an old driver from, say, an old distro or an old package that contains an XFree86 driver
08:49
put the files in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin and use that?
08:52
<jammcq>
ah, the dreaded cirrus logic
08:52
no, an old driver won't work with ltsp-4.x
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we no longer include XFree86
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but... I think the cirrus logic cards will work with the 'cirrus_alpine' driver
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08:54
<pscheie>
why isn't XFree86 included any more? I'm not suggesting that it should be, I'm just trying to understand why it isn't.
08:54
<jammcq>
it's too much to maintain
08:54
<pscheie>
Does is all have to be compiled for LTSP?
08:55
<jammcq>
Xorg and XFree86 are huge
08:55
yes, it all has to be compiled for LTSP, in the LBE
08:55
<pscheie>
Ah, within the LBE; that's where I was heading...
08:56
Isn't the point of muekow to get away from that, to use the distro's packages?
08:57
<jammcq>
yep
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in which case you'll definately not have XFree86
08:58
<pscheie>
but if it's supposed to just use the distro's packages, what prevents one from using it on top of, say rh7.3?
08:58
Or does the distro have to add some things to support muekow?
08:58
<jammcq>
someone would have to create an LTSP-5 for rh7.3
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it requires alot of integration with the distro
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packaging, startup scripts and other things
08:59
it also requires modifications to the distro initramfs to support network booting and nfs root
08:59
that's why it's so hard to get it going
09:00
<pscheie>
with 4.2 you're still building the initramfs, right?
09:00
i.e., the initramfs comes from ltsp project
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09:03
<jammcq>
right, with 4.2, WE build the initramfs
09:05
<pscheie>
so, if one were to take the source files for XFree86 and compile them within LBE, then one could use an XF86 driver?
09:05
<jammcq>
it's not just the driver
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you'd need all of XFree86
09:06
<pscheie>
So, in earlier versions of ltsp you used to re-compile all of Xfree86?
09:06
<jammcq>
yep, in fact, we built both XFree86 and Xorg
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<pscheie>
and now you just re-compile Xorg?
09:08
<jammcq>
yep
09:10
<pscheie>
are there docs on the wiki or elsewhere about lbe? What I'm wondering is why you have to re-compile Xorg.
09:11
<jammcq>
it's not 'RE-COMPILE'
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it's "compile"
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we build everything that the thin client executes, INCLUDING Xorg
09:12
<pscheie>
At the time X is started, you've already got a running kernel. What is different about ltsp's Xorg over that of the distro?
09:13
<jammcq>
hang on, ph call
09:14
<pscheie>
Now that I think about it, the kernel and everything underneath is going to be different from the distro, so I suppose Xorg has to be built to work with that.
09:14
That's why you have to build your own Xorg, I'll bet.
09:15
<jammcq>
right
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EVERYTHING the thin client executes is built in LBE
09:16
using a consistent set of libraries and compilers and linkers and all that stuff
09:16
<klausade>
anyone using ltsp4.2 and ltspinfo to shutdown the client and wakeonlan/etherwake to power them up again?
09:16
<jammcq>
klausade: not me
09:17
<pscheie>
I recall Eric saying that while using ltspinfo to shutdown clients looked nifty, it was a bad idea, and therefore turned off by default, because anyone could cause a client to shutdown, right?
09:18
<jammcq>
it's a security issue
09:18
<klausade>
well, ltspinfo -s leaves the machine in such a state that wol doesn't work. While the same machine when running thick(or halfthick muecow) will come up with wol after a init 0.
09:18
pscheie: that is a downside yes. but it also has a nice side to it :-)
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09:19
<pscheie>
klausade: oh I agree. I'm thinking of showing it to some teachers with the caveat that there is some risk.
09:19
but I expect this to be in an elementary school setting, where the kids won't have the tech chops to figure it out
09:20
<ju4nch0_>
alguien habla español?
09:20
<klausade>
pscheie: well, they always have elder brothers/sisters ...
09:21
<pscheie>
right, but they're not in the classroom. I'll show it, but let the teacher make the call.
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09:35
<mistik1>
jammcq: what brought on the phasing out of the old website
09:36
<jammcq>
mistik1: sourceforge screwed up their vhost records, rendering the old site unreachable
09:36
<cliebow_>
dminFl00rt1mb3r
09:36
<jammcq>
so, when they did that, I pointed it to the wiki
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then, later, they fixed it
09:36
<mistik1>
oh, ok
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09:37
<cliebow_>
stesterquasim0do
09:37
<jammcq>
mistik1: check this: http://wiki1.ltsp.org/home.html
09:40
<mistik1>
¤hold on lemme fire up X
09:42
jammcq: putting the old face on the wiki, eh?
09:43
<jammcq>
just a little bit
09:43
<mistik1>
looks great
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09:43
<jammcq>
still needs some work
09:44
<mistik1>
I love a front page that dont have you scrolling all day
09:44
<jammcq>
i'd like to launch it as THE www.ltsp.org site by Jan 1st
09:44
I could prolly do it now
09:44
I'd get occasional complaints that people come to www.ltsp.org and can't figure out what ltsp is
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<jammcq>
hey, look who showed up
09:46* Gadi looks to his left, looks to his right, looks behind
09:47
<pscheie>
'morning Gadi, oh guru of sound ;-)
09:47
<Gadi>
oh, now I se...
09:47
er, see....
09:47
Tommy, can you hear me?
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<Gadi>
so, whats up?
09:48
<jammcq>
Gadi: your brother from another mother is here today :)
09:49
<pscheie>
Gadi: did you see the message on the list from Barry Cisna about the via vt1612?
09:49
<Gadi>
yeah, so Im glad my dad isn't ;)
09:49
I havent seen the list in days :(
09:49* Gadi looks
09:52
<Gadi>
hmm... vt1612
09:52
<pscheie>
There isn't an audio equivalent of a vesa driver :-(
09:52
although SB drivers often work since most cards emulate them
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<pscheie>
As I said to jammcq about X, I'm just trying to broaden my understanding of how this works.
09:53
I think sound in ltsp is black box for a lot of folks, including me
09:54
so, does ltsp have to build a driver for the vt1612?
09:54
<jammcq>
yep
09:55
apparently it's the via 7019 driver that works
09:55
with some modification
09:55
<Gadi>
it looks like it uses the via vinyl driver
09:55
<pscheie>
how do you know that?
09:55
<Gadi>
rather than the ac97 one
09:55
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=5&ArticleID=466&P=2
09:55
google is ur friend
09:56
dunno where the linux driver is at with it
09:56
<jammcq>
google is my ONLY friend
09:56
<Gadi>
did the regular via driver work?
09:56
and did you try the ALSA one?
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<pscheie>
dunno; I suggested he try knoppix to figure out a working driver
09:57
<Gadi>
7019? I believe ClaudioFelix has a driver rolled for that
09:57
for 4.2
09:58
you may want to pounce him when he gets in
09:58
jammcq: I'll be ur friend
09:58
after New Years
09:58
at a reduced rate
09:58
;)
09:59
pscheie: if the soundcard is sb-compatible, you could use sb
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sometimes, you need legacy audio support in the bios
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if it is onboard sound
09:59
brb
10:00
<pscheie>
I have a client machine with an old SB-compatible ISA card
10:00
<mistik1>
pscheie: good luck my friend
10:00
<pscheie>
Sound works without even specifying any parameters for it in lts.conf
10:00
<mistik1>
that sb driver was the bane of my existence
10:01
Is ltsp using alsa yet?
10:01
<pscheie>
well, it's not my problem really, it was someone on the list. But no doubt I'll run into it someday
10:01
gadi has a package that does
10:01
saved my neck on a bunch of dell laptop clients
10:02
<mistik1>
bbl
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<mistik1>
jammcq: are there any pressing reasons to upgrade my clients to ltsp-4.2?
10:49
<jammcq>
4.2 has awesome local device support
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and uses less ram than previous versions
10:50
<mistik1>
hmmm
10:50
<jammcq>
but i've still got ltsp-3 running at one of my customers
10:50
<vagrantc>
jammcq: just how little ram does 4.2 use?
10:50
<mistik1>
I currently have them on 4.1
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<jammcq>
4.1 didn't have "awesome local device support"
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<Gadi>
mistik1: ??? is that really you?
10:51
<mistik1>
I have two customers on 4.1 right now
10:51* Gadi rubs eyes
10:51
<mistik1>
Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:51
<jammcq>
Gadi: that's your "brother from another mother" that I mentioned earlier
10:51
<Gadi>
uhm. are you the REAL mistik1?
10:51
<mistik1>
yessir
10:51* Gadi pokes mistik1 ever so gently
10:51
<mistik1>
hey that tickles
10:52
<Gadi>
and, hear I thought you were just a story they told the kids this time of year
10:52
but, you're real!
10:52
<mistik1>
lol
10:52* Gadi punches mistik1 across the face
10:52
<Gadi>
where the hell have you been?
10:52
:)
10:52
<mistik1>
one day i'll get a chance to tell everyone the whole story
10:53
<Gadi>
crap - we have to buy the rights
10:53
<mistik1>
Its rather like a horible nightmare
10:54
<Gadi>
only good things, mistik1, only good things
10:54
<mistik1>
I think I may start a blog sometime just for the last 3 months
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<flowgate>
ng 1
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<the_5th_wheel>
anyone here know if i can do passwordless login on edubuntu with ltsp?
12:54
<pscheie>
the_5th_wheel: haven't tried it on ubuntu, but gdm and kdm have provisions for autologin
12:55
I've got autologin using gdm on Fedora; I know others who are doing it with kdm on fedora
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<the_5th_wheel>
thanx.
12:56
will look in the morrow
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<vagrantc>
the_5th_wheel: i don't think there's any way to do that with LDM, but you could probably do it with GDM.
13:09
the_5th_wheel: so, you'd have to set something like SCREEN_07=startx in lts.conf
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<cliebow_>
jammcq: you do linuxworld new york?
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this year?
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<cliebow>
jammcq: you doing linuxworld new york?
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<jammcq>
cliebow: there's no lw in new york anymore. they are doing a much smaller show at the marriot, something like 'Linux World Business Summit'
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<cliebow>
jammcq:i see..same name different rig
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<jammcq>
huh?
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<cr3>
hi folks! I'm trying to run ltsp on edgy and I get a session but it crashes a few seconds after login. I'm trying to diagnose the problem and what I notice so far is that dbus-daemon is running twice, once as user messagebus and another time as one of the users from the thin clients.
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<cr3>
in my .xsession-errors file, I get: Lost connection to the display 'localhost:11.0';
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by the way, my session crashes even if I don't do anything and just wait for it to crash by itself
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<vagrantc>
ogra: a few relatively small patches for your ltsp-mainline branch: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/vagrant-ltsp-mainline/
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<chupacabra>
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2006-12-29T065320Z_01_N28216794_RTRUKOC_0_US-SADDAM.xml&WTmodLoc=EntNewsHome_C1_%5bFeed%5d-8
17:59
oops wrong channel.
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<chupacabra>
addam Hussein is dead
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<chupacabra>
do i feel safer?
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<jammcq>
I don't
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