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Channel log from 13 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<NefariousAryq>
well crap. That was completely my misunderstanding then...
00:03
So running an application from a usb drive connected to the thin client isnt really what I wanna be doing at all, is it? :)
00:03
*laugh*
00:03
<vagrantc>
it seems that way :)
00:04
<NefariousAryq>
I misunderstood completely. I thought it would be mounting the drive locally, and hence, running the application from it would be *faster* than trying to run the application locally, from, say, an nfsmount.
00:04
<vagrantc>
in many cases, your USB will likely be slower than your network card.
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00:06
<NefariousAryq>
Guess I need to play with firefox the other way, then. It ran, but it loaded terrible slowly... I was getting some sort of error, so maybe thats why. I guess I just need to play with it more. I feel like a total dunce now. :)
00:06
lol
00:07
Thanks for your patience, I appreciate it greatly.
00:08
The whole LTSP community rocks. LTSP is an awesome project.
00:09
<vagrantc>
indeed. :)
00:11
<NefariousAryq>
We use it with our Action Photography company. We have a big'ole honkin file server, and 18 HP t5300 clients with 15" flat screens... They run Firefox in a kiosk-type mode, connect to our proprietary "viewing" application (php/mysql based), and it lets our customers view the photos, and place their orders right there at our booth (or trailer, as it may be, if we are outside). It works fantastic for us.
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00:15
<Sadap>
im gonna install ltsp what disto is better?
00:16
<vagrantc>
!bestltspdistro
00:16
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
00:16
<NefariousAryq>
hahah. ltspbot is smart :-D
00:16
<vagrantc>
the ltspbot is wise.
00:16
Sadap: you're going to have to define "best"
00:16
<NefariousAryq>
It really depends on your level of expertise, what you are wanting to use LTSP for, and many other things, Sadap. :)
00:18
hey vagrant, quick one for ya. If I wanna run stuff locally (from an nfsmount), but NOT from the local device... I can set LOCAL_STORAGE = N in lts.conf, but I need to leave LOCAL_APPS = Y, correct? Or can it also be set to N?
00:20
<Sadap>
Thanks, i'm gonna use it in a school. in that school the students use Ubuntu, but have some old computers
00:20
<vagrantc>
then ubuntu or edubuntu is likely going to be the best fit. it has decent ltsp5 integration.
00:21
or if the computers are really old, maybe xubuntu
00:21
decent integration meaning the first working implementation :)
00:22
<Sadap>
ok I have a problem, when i create the client. with this command ltsp-build-client
00:24
the system try to make a link /dev/fd to /proc/self/.... ... because the link exist, some bady know somethig about this?
00:25
<vagrantc>
i know ogra included patches to create those files temporarily for some reason ...
00:26
Sadap: what version of ubuntu ?
00:26
<Sadap>
6.10
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00:27
<vagrantc>
well, that makes it easy :)
00:28
except now i know there's an LTSP user somewhere, in need, unable to communicate ... *sigh*
00:28
<NefariousAryq>
heh.
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00:36
<Sadap>
some body know something about this error?
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01:54
<lzap>
hello all
01:54* lzap continues with installation of V5 on MDV 2006
01:55
<lzap>
how does floppy work? how to notice the terminal that the flopy was inserted?
02:13
can I change the logo of UBUNTU in the LDM screen?
02:13
and add czech language?
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02:49
<lzap>
I have found ldm-themes but there is only some buttons and small ubuntu logo
02:49
not the big one ( ) UBUNTU
02:54
oh its there, black on black transparent background
02:54
great, and how to change the language?
02:54
Username: and Password:
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05:45
<Jenna>
anyone up ?
05:45
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05:45
does this look good/okay ?
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06:46
<jammcq>
g'morning
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06:57
<Blueraid>
what is the ParPort device in ltsp?
06:57
4.2
07:01
in my lts.conf i've set /dev/lp for the printer, but when i start lp_server, then he stop the service ans say /dev/lp not found...
07:02
<ogra>
its rather /dev/lp0 (in any linux ;) )
07:06
<Blueraid>
;-) oh year but why will start lp_server it at /dev/lp?
07:06
<ogra>
because you gave it this device in your lts.conf i guess
07:06
lp_server doesnt start on its own
07:07
only if PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set to something
07:07
so just set it to /dev/lp0 ...
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07:07
<jammcq_>
ogra: !!!!
07:07
<Blueraid>
in my lts.conf stay: /dev/lp0 !
07:07
<jammcq_>
dude
07:07
<ogra>
jammcq, !
07:07
whatsup ?
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07:08
<jammcq_>
ogra: i'm preparing my talk for later today. I'll mention TCM. Do you have any screenshots ?
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07:08
<ogra>
hmm, only from pre versions
07:08
<Blueraid>
Oh - he Prints 8-)
07:08
<jammcq>
well, that's better than what I have
07:09
ogra: also, is it TCM that will allow you to configure the terminals ?
07:09
I loaded it here, and it seems like it's only about monitoring running terminals
07:09
<ogra>
no, TCM is the session controlling thing
07:09
<jammcq>
what's the config tool ?
07:09
<ogra>
ltsp-manager
07:09
but thats not done
07:09
<jammcq>
bahhh, ok
07:09
couldn't remember
07:10
<ogra>
else idt would have been renamed ;)
07:10
<jammcq>
my talk is "LTSP - The road ahead"
07:10
<ogra>
install ltsp-manager ...
07:10
<jammcq>
I don't need to show things that are complete
07:10
<ogra>
it looks nice ...
07:10
<jammcq>
only things that we're projecting for the future
07:10
<ogra>
but point the people to feisty+1
07:10
<jammcq>
yes
07:10
definately
07:10
<ogra>
the current ltsp-manager hads a fully functional gui ... just no backend
07:10
<jammcq>
i'll talk about performance improvements that we plan on making
07:10
<ogra>
so its great for presentations ;)
07:11
<jammcq>
demos well :)
07:11
<ogra>
sadly i had n spare time to make a package from the new ldm yet
07:11
else you could show that too
07:11
<jammcq>
I'm not actually gonna boot a thin client. Probably the first talk I've ever given where I don't demo the thin client booting
07:11
<ogra>
oh
07:12
why is that ?
07:12
<jammcq>
cuz I don't feel like it
07:12
<ogra>
ah
07:13
<jammcq>
ogra: how do I run ltsp-manager?
07:13
<ogra>
http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=205
07:14
http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=208
07:14
http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
07:14
sudo ltsp-manager
07:14
should suffice after installing
07:14
<jammcq>
tried that
07:14
<ogra>
(i havent started it in feisty at all, i hope it works :P)
07:14
got an error ?
07:15
<jammcq>
jam@biglap:~$ sudo ltsp-manager
07:15
Traceback (most recent call last):
07:15
File "/usr/bin/ltsp-manager", line 13, in <module>
07:15
import ltsp
07:15
ImportError: No module named ltsp
07:15
<ogra>
argh
07:15
crap, seems i already uplaoded that stuff ....
07:15
install python-ltsp (should be a dependency)
07:16
<jammcq>
hmm, more errors. could not find glad file './ltsp-manager.glade'
07:17
<ogra>
http://ubuntu.interlegis.gov.br/archive/pool/universe/l/ltsp-manager/ltsp-manager_0.0.1-1_all.deb try that one
07:18
<jammcq>
Error: A later version is already installed
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07:18
<ogra>
cd /usr/share/ltsp-manager && sudo ltsp-manager
07:18
?
07:19
<jammcq>
got it :)
07:19
<ogra>
great
07:19
feisty was to make the ground for that ... python-ltsp it the key
07:20
<jammcq>
holy crap this thing is cool
07:20
<ogra>
feisty+1 will see the new gui then
07:20
well, its cool but non functional ;)
07:20
<jammcq>
details details
07:20
<ogra>
especially the dhcpd.conf stuff isnt solved yet
07:20
but i had a good idea actually today about it
07:21
since we exclusively use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ... i'll just store md5sums of it ... so as soon as ltsp-manager detects the filewas edited manually it will refuse to touch it ...
07:22
indeed i will keep a "last known version" around so you can just revert to automatic mode :)
07:22
that was my biggest prob yet ...
07:22
<jammcq>
yeah, and put a strong warning at the top of dhcpd.conf telling them they shouldn't be modifying the file unless they really know what they are doing
07:22
<ogra>
you can just do to much random stuff in dhcpd.conf
07:23
all the conditionals a user could add ... if statements etc ... i cant match that all
07:23
so we'll have to go with a strictly defined set in dhcpd.conf ... (may grow over time )
07:24
<jammcq>
good plan
07:24
<ogra>
the gui should stay as is but get a tree on the left ...
07:24
if you have workstations runnig they will show up there
07:25
<jammcq>
is "ltsp-manager" and "tcm" going to merge ?
07:25
<ogra>
i want to merge the python backends
07:25
TCM brings python-tcm
07:25
with all functions you need for session management
07:26
i want to kepp the guis distinct, i dont want a teacher to be able to admin the ltsp server ;)
07:26
<jammcq>
ah, good point
07:26
<ogra>
but through python-ltsp (if both are merged) you will easily be able to write joint apps
07:27
or web interfaces in zope :)
07:27
or QT guis :)
07:28
i also talked to Riddell ... for feisty+1 we'll probably get a kubuntu greeter for ldm as well ...
07:28
in pyqt
07:29
<jammcq>
wow
07:29
<ogra>
so we'll make the kde ppl happy :)
07:33
meh ... we got one bug in feisty ltsp :(
07:33
<jammcq>
only 1 ?
07:34
<ogra>
well, one that i find annoying enough to fix in feisty-updates
07:34
the ltsp-sound script sets the alsa emulation layer for pulseaudio at login if you are on a thin client
07:35
i forgot to add something to switch it back if you log in on the server directly afterwards ...
07:36
if pulse isnt installed gnome-session will try to write to the emulated alsa device and just hangs if there is nothing behind it
07:36
generally pulse isnt installed on the server :/
07:36
gah, how could i miss that
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07:48
<ogra>
jammcq, btw, we have a SoC project for a TCM web frontend ...
07:48
(i wasnt after it, but it was selected by the mentors)
07:48
<jammcq>
wow, cool
07:49
<ogra>
something you can mention ;)
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08:23
<jammcq>
ogra: is release date for feisty still next week ?
08:24
<ogra>
not sure ...
08:24
<jammcq>
I heard there were some "issues"
08:24
<ogra>
a delay was announced, but the bugs are shaken out now
08:24
<jammcq>
all fixed?
08:24
<ogra>
yeah, someide controller glitches and network-manager evilness
08:24
<jammcq>
coolio
08:24
<ogra>
s/soemide/some IDE/
08:25
but it looks like we'll have RC only on monday not sure ... the linux package was just uploaded 10 mins ago ...
08:25
it will take some hours to build all arches ...
08:26
<jammcq>
I'll just say "Tentatively Next Week" during my talk
08:30
<ogra>
it could turn into a week more
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08:34
<ogra>
19th was ETA
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08:37
<greg_g>
that sucks (re: the "issues")
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08:39
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:39
<ogra>
!s
08:39
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:39
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra!!!
08:39
How's things going?
08:39
<ogra>
boring ...
08:39
<sbalneav>
Boring?
08:39
No bugs?
08:40
<ogra>
archive is frozen ... everybody is waiting for new CDs to test
08:40
<sbalneav>
No last minute panic
08:40
<ogra>
last night ...
08:40
its over now ....
08:40
<sbalneav>
Good news
08:40
<ogra>
we'll probably delay by some days
08:40
<sbalneav>
Now we start all over again for Gutsy :)
08:40
<ogra>
since we couldt get the RC out yesterday
08:41
*couldn't
08:41
<sbalneav>
Talking to lots of people here in Brazil
08:41
LOTS of edubuntu deployment
08:41
As well, people from Venezuela and Argentina as well.
08:42
<cliebow_>
must be Someone important missing 8~)
08:42
<ogra>
yay
08:42
<sbalneav>
Hey, quick questions for slides
08:42
<jammcq>
!s
08:42
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:42
<sbalneav>
is it Otavio or Octavio who's on the Debian side?
08:42
hey jammcq
08:43
<ogra>
otavio i think
08:44
<sbalneav>
k
08:45
<ogra>
sbalneav, if you talk about edubuntu, mention that we have portuguese by default on the cd now ;)
08:45
(in feisty)
08:46
<sbalneav>
Yes!
08:46
I have
08:46
<ogra>
cool !
08:47
<sbalneav>
I'll mention it in my talk tomorrow as an aside, too.
08:48
<ogra>
its not pt_BR toguht ... thats on the addin CD ... but it should make installing in pt possible at least
08:48
*addon
08:48
needed to decide for the most common subset sadly ...
08:49
<sbalneav>
ok
08:49
<ogra>
ship: * Languages: es xh pt de fr ca cs el
08:49
thats what we have on the first CD now ...
08:49
and all other available langs are on the addon CD
08:49
<sbalneav>
I'll mention the two cd thing.
08:50
<ogra>
good
08:50
<sbalneav>
Are there going to be feisty cd's available?
08:50
<ogra>
i'll probably let the first edubuntu CD dies at some oint
08:50
*die
08:50
since it seems we're panning a ubuntu thin client server CD ... so edubuntu can switch to be an addon to this
08:50
*planning
08:51
<sbalneav>
ah, so just use standard ubuntu, and have the edubuntu be a sole addon cd?
08:51
That's an excellent idea.
08:51
<ogra>
well, have an ubuntu CD that does the same as the current first edubuntu CD
08:51
<sbalneav>
right, except for the art
08:51
<ogra>
and move all remaining pieces of edubuntu to the addon
08:51
no, also the art
08:52
the edubuntu-artwork stuff can be on the addon as well
08:52
we'll see
08:52
<sbalneav>
right, so move the edubuntu art + themes to the addon.
08:52
<ogra>
i'm ambivalent yet
08:52
<sbalneav>
That makes a HUGE amount of sense too me.
08:52
<ogra>
it would mean giving up edubuntu as standalone product
08:53
i'm not sure thats good from a PR perspective
08:53
<sbalneav>
Wouldn't it mean a lot less work for you though? More time to devote to just TC, and the edu bits?
08:53
<ogra>
indeed it would
08:53
<sbalneav>
That's a huge win.
08:53
<ogra>
but n the other hand i hope to have a colleague in the edubuntu team after sevilla ;)
08:54
<sbalneav>
cool
08:54
<ogra>
so the load will drop a lot for me
08:56
<sbalneav>
Happy with the handbook?
08:59
<ogra>
yeah, totally
08:59
tanks a lot !
09:02
<sbalneav>
good
09:02
<ogra>
and planes a lot ...
09:02
and ships a lot :P
09:03* ogra pokes his h key
09:03
<sbalneav>
lol
09:10
<cliebow_>
apt-get install tanks
09:10
apt-get install h
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09:36
<antgel>
hi all, my ltsp5 server is running pretty well. what i want to do, is to be able to access it remotely, over ssl or ipsec, but let's assume i want to do it over my lan for now to keep it simple.
09:36
sort of like ltsp without the network boot and nfs :)
09:37
like vnc without the restriction on desktop size that a vnc server provides
09:39
<Blinny>
antgel: Do you know much about FreeNX?
09:39
<antgel>
Blinny: only if nothing = much :)
09:39
but i can look it up
09:39
<Blinny>
antgel: It's vastly superior to VNC for most applications.
09:40
For general info, check out http://freenx.berlios.de/
09:40
<ogra>
ltsp5 - nfs - dhcp - tftp = ssh
09:40
sounds you just want a ssh server
09:40
*sounds like
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09:40
<ogra>
at keast thats whats you have left after removing the other service
09:40
*least
09:40
<antgel>
Blinny: i will do, but is it applicable to this exact scenario?
09:41
<Blinny>
antgel: Your description is a tad vague. Is Ogra's description more accurate?
09:41
<antgel>
ogra: hmm, perhaps i can't see the forest for the trees
09:41
i'll try again
09:41
<ogra>
NX is only a compressed for of ssh X connection, so it sounds like that is waht you look for
09:41
*form
09:42
<antgel>
i have an ltsp server. but i'd like to be able to access an ltsp desktop (ldm onwards) without having to network-boot - i.e. from a thick workstation
09:42
so i'm doing my thing on the thick box, then i do something magical :) and i'm presented with an ldm login screen
09:43
preferably one that detects my screen size
09:43
<ogra>
you want a local ldm on a normal system, i get it ...
09:43
thats not possible yet ..
09:43
but an NX client will provide the same functionallity
09:43
<Blinny>
Sorry for leading astray.
09:44
<antgel>
well, i say ldm, it could be anything that lets me login to the ltsp server desktop
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09:44
<Blinny>
antgel: What distro?
09:44
<ogra>
any ssh client then :)
09:44
<antgel>
debian
09:45
<ogra>
you can try to run ldm standalone but that will need some code fiddling
09:45
<antgel>
ogra: what, run my display manager over ssh?
09:45
<ogra>
ldm is only an ssh client
09:45
nothing more
09:45
<vagrantc>
well, a wrapper around ssh
09:45
<ogra>
right
09:45
<antgel>
so what does ldm do after login, just starts the xsession?
09:46
<ogra>
no
09:46
it starts after X is up
09:46
ltsp-client starts the X session ...
09:46
<antgel>
so ldm starts the wm?
09:46
<ogra>
ten it checks for SCREEN_** variables ... if none is set it starts ldm on the screen
09:46
thats it ...
09:47
everything else after login is a normal ssh session on the server
09:47
<vagrantc>
well, /etc/X11/Xsession is actually started by ldm ...
09:47
<antgel>
ogra: so something like ssh -e 'wmaker' -X someserver might do what i want?
09:47
<ogra>
well, indeed :)
09:47
that would start wmaker ... yes
09:47* vagrantc just wanted to clarify the what was mean by "session"
09:47
<ogra>
as vagrantc said .
09:48
ssh -e '/etc/X11/Xsession' -X someserver
09:48
that would be the equivalent to ldm ...
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<vagrantc>
antgel: you probably want to stick with Xsession, as it handles some common session things that wouldn't be handled by calling the window manager directly
09:49
<antgel>
i don't doubt that :)
09:49
<vagrantc>
though that will basically work
09:50
antgel: what are you wanting to do ... i just got here part-way through the conversation
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09:50
<antgel>
of course, as ssh is used, no need for me to muck about with stunnel, which is a good thing
09:50
<vagrantc>
yeah.
09:50
<antgel>
vagrantc: i'll do a paste
09:51
i have an ltsp server. but i'd like to be able to access an ltsp desktop (ldm onwards) without having to network-boot - i.e. from a thick workstation so i'm doing my thing on the thick box, then i do something magical :) and i'm presented with an ldm login screen, preferably one that detects my screen size
09:51
<vagrantc>
and do you have a window manager running on the thick workstation?
09:51
<ogra>
vagrantc, seen that ? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp/changes
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09:51
<paavum>
Hello
09:51
<ogra>
LP has a browse mode for code :)
09:51
<vagrantc>
ogra: nice :)
09:52
<antgel>
vagrantc: yep, but could live without it - not as good for less technical users
09:52* ogra needs to get one of the cats to the vet ... back in 1-2h
09:52
<paavum>
vagrantc ... got time? ;)
09:53
<vagrantc>
antgel: ok. it's just that you can only run one window manager at a time, unless you play with a nested x server or something like that
09:53
paavum: ok, so, where were we?
09:53
<paavum>
Ok, I have the debian tarball untared and placed in its proper place
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09:54
<paavum>
and I'm downloading the program I want to run local
09:54
(debian us main mirror is having troubles for me)
09:54
<antgel>
vagrantc: yes, but one of the window managers is running on the ltsp server, and one is local on my thick workstation. what did i miss?
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09:56
<paavum>
vagrantc,... what now?
09:56* antgel notes that -e is pseudo-syntax
09:57
<greg_g>
vagrantc: working double/triple/quad duty it seems... you seem to be a great help to this community, thanks
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10:05
<paavum>
Hello... I'm trying to get localapps running on ltsp5
10:05
<vagrantc>
antgel: if you're running one on the ltsp server, and one running locally, it's not going to work.
10:05
<paavum>
can anybody help me out a bit? thnx
10:06
<vagrantc>
antgel: because "ssh -X server windowmanager" will try to run a window manager and fail, because one is already running locally.
10:06
<antgel>
vagrantc: indeed, i tried it :) i'm looking at xephyr and xnest. in order to get going quickly, is there any solution that i can run from the console, forgettiong about my local x server for the minute? obviously ssh -X won't work from console
10:06
<vagrantc>
antgel: ldm or sdm would be the simplest way to go ...
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10:07
<vagrantc>
paavum: are you still having troubles with the mirror ?
10:07
<antgel>
vagrantc: i mentioned that ^^ but ogra doesn't think it'll work at present
10:07
<paavum>
vagrantc ... it seems when I chroot to the debian dir
10:07
I dont have network access
10:07
ie I do ifconfig and I get this msg:
10:08
<vagrantc>
antgel: i think ogra makes it out to be more difficult than it is
10:08
<paavum>
ltsp2:/# ifconfig
10:08
Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
10:08
<vagrantc>
antgel: you just have to set some environment variables before you run LDM
10:08
antgel: or configure sdm ...
10:08
<antgel>
vagrantc: they are both debian packages, i could have a go - just start an x server on :1 with ldm as the wm
10:08
<vagrantc>
antgel: no
10:09
antgel: just start LDM from the commandline ...
10:09
<antgel>
this i must see
10:09
<vagrantc>
antgel: like this... SERVER=ip.address.of.server ldm
10:10
i *think* that should work.
10:10
paavum: what happens when you try to run apt-get ?
10:10
<paavum>
seems like it wont resolve the domain name
10:11
<vagrantc>
what's the error message
10:11
?
10:11
<paavum>
Err http://http.us.debian.org etch/main libasound2 1.0.13-1
10:11
Temporary failure resolving 'http.us.debian.org'
10:11
<vagrantc>
ok.
10:12
paavum: you probably have jammcq's resolv.conf entries
10:12
paavum: cp -b /etc/resolv.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf
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10:17
<vagrantc>
antgel: you might need to specify a vt or something ...
10:18
<antgel>
vagrantc: i'm wrestling with that now. just noticed that the switch in the bottom left runs halt, not just kills ldm
10:18
<vagrantc>
antgel: oh, yeah.
10:18
actually, it just powers off, doesn't it?
10:19
<antgel>
the ldm login screen came up, there was something in the log about can't access /dev/tty so i'm guessing my command-line options were wrong
10:19
<vagrantc>
i.e. not clean shutdown
10:19
<antgel>
vagrantc: yep. :D
10:19
<vagrantc>
the assumption was a read-only root filesystem...
10:19
<antgel>
vagrantc: the feature request is forming in my mind
10:20
<vagrantc>
antgel: what was the commandline you ran?
10:20* vagrantc forsees LDM_SHUTDOWN_CMD or some such.
10:21
<antgel>
SERVER=whatever ldm vt1 :0, now trying vt8 :1, same crap
10:21
"no credentials cache found"
10:22
<vagrantc>
hmmm...
10:22
<antgel>
hold on - i'm running ldm as root, but root here doesn't have the ssh key for root on the ltsp server
10:23
<vagrantc>
ah, yes. that'll be needed.
10:23
<antgel>
later i get read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty
10:23
<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
10:23
<antgel>
can i pass it as an environment variable?
10:24
<vagrantc>
that's because ssh is very fussy about where it asks for passwords
10:24
<antgel>
or i could setup root's .ssh/config
10:24
<vagrantc>
somehow, you have to run it without a tty
10:24
no, that won't help any
10:24
you could run it with daemon ... that'll work, i think.
10:25
<paavum>
vagrantc :( just did the cp, and no luck
10:25
<antgel>
surely if it has a key pointed to in config, it won't bother trying for a password
10:25
<vagrantc>
antgel: oh, i thought you meant a host key ...
10:25
yeah, you could set up a passwordless ssh key ...
10:26
maybe
10:26
maybe you're better off with sdm in this case.
10:26* vagrantc has been meaning to rewrite sdm one of these days
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10:28
<antgel>
vagrantc: this is looking much more promising
10:29
my desktop on the test server is gnome, so rather slow to get going
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10:39
<sadap>
somebody speak spanish.?
10:40
<antgel>
vagrantc: the concept works, however i feel that over this 8/0.8Mbit adsl link, it's not to be encouraged :)
10:41
i wish vnc servers didn't have a fixed resolution - i'm going to check out freenx
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10:48
<vagrantc>
sadap: un poco
10:48
antgel: ah, yes. dsl will be ugly.
10:48
sadap: que necesita ?
10:49
<ogra>
use freenx with dsl ...
10:49
it shuld be fine
10:50
<vagrantc>
is there a GPL'ed NX client yet?
10:50
<ogra>
nope
10:50
i dont think so
10:50
<sadap>
tengo un problema al ejecutar el comando ltsp-build-client, exactamente al generar un link de /dev/fd sabes algo de este error, lo estoy instalando en ubuntu 6.10
10:51
<vagrantc>
sadap: ah, si.
10:51
<ogra>
dont install to an unclean target
10:51
<antgel>
ogra: yes, but i want to see if the server can detect my resolution, as if i'm accessing it from a 1600x1200 machine, i don't want a 1024x768 window etc
10:51
<paavum>
sadap...porque no solo bajas el tarball?
10:51
<Blinny>
antgel: You specify the session resolution in the FreeNX client.
10:51
antgel: You can also suspend sessions and pick them up from other machines later
10:51
<antgel>
Blinny: ooh, hence your recommendation ^^^^
10:52
<sadap>
creo que será lo mejor.
10:52
<vagrantc>
ogra: so, the /dev/fd problem is when you install to an already existing /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
10:52
<ogra>
yep
10:52
feisty refises to even start
10:52
*refuses
10:53* vagrantc wonders if we shouldn't exit out of ltsp-build-client if /opt/ltsp/ARCH already exists
10:53
<ogra>
i'm pondering a stable-release-update for edgy to add that as well
10:53
<vagrantc>
we used to issue a warning
10:53
<ogra>
feisty does thatr
10:53
issuing a warning and exiting
10:53
<vagrantc>
we should probably put that in the common plugins.
10:54
<sadap>
ok, i gonna try again, thanks
10:54
<ogra>
yeah
10:54
<paavum>
vagrantc... ok
10:55
dosbox has been (finally) installed
10:55
now what do I do to make it run locally
10:55
<vagrantc>
paavum: do you need to run applications on the server also, or just on the thin-client ?
10:55
<paavum>
on the server
10:55
I mean on both
10:55
basically its just DOSBOX i want to run in the client
10:55
cuz it eats up the cpu
10:56
and well... if you could help me out to get a bluetooth headset working... I would need to run a sip client
10:56
also
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10:59* vagrantc is clueless with bluetooth
11:00
<ogra>
in ubuntu that would work via the bluez tools ...
11:00
i think debian should ahve these package as well
11:00
<vagrantc>
paavum: so, we need to set up some sort of network authentication....
11:00
<ogra>
i guess bluez-utils
11:01
it wont work with esd though ...
11:01
<paavum>
vagrantc... I already setup...
11:01
what the wiki says
11:02
<vagrantc>
paavum: which wiki page?
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11:02
<ogra>
i was wondering as well :)
11:03* vagrantc wants to set up bittorrent downloads for the tarballs
11:03
<vagrantc>
anyone got a tracker we can use?
11:03
<ogra>
jammcq should be able to set one up on the ltsp.org server
11:04
i dont think its really used beyond the wiki yet
11:04
<vagrantc>
trackers are pretty simple ... and it could really reduce the bandwidth requirements a lot
11:04
<ogra>
the feisty tarball needs updating
11:04
<vagrantc>
so does etch
11:04
<ogra>
we're final ...
11:04
<paavum>
vagrantc ... the localapps wiki page
11:04
for ltsp4
11:05
<vagrantc>
paavum: URL ?
11:05
<cliebow_>
antgel:freenx Rocks
11:05* vagrantc is not in the habit of assuming vagrantc knows which instructions were followed
11:05
<paavum>
vagrantc: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
11:06
I set up NIS
11:06
all the first part
11:06
by cliebow :P
11:07
!paavum
11:07
<ltspbot>
paavum: Error: "paavum" is not a valid command.
11:07
<paavum>
:(
11:07
<ogra>
!ogra
11:07
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ogra" is ogra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:07
<ogra>
wow, i didnt know :)
11:07
<paavum>
:(
11:07
I tought the bot I was god
11:07
but it forgot
11:07
<ogra>
i'd add you, but i dont know how ...
11:08
<paavum>
it was with learn I think
11:08
!learn paavum god
11:08
<ltspbot>
paavum: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
11:08
<paavum>
!learn paavum as god
11:08
<ltspbot>
paavum: The operation succeeded.
11:08
<paavum>
!paavum
11:08
<ltspbot>
paavum: "paavum" is god
11:08
<paavum>
:D:D:D:D:D:D
11:08
there
11:08
:P
11:08
<ogra>
careful there might come strict christians into this channel :)
11:09
<paavum>
lol
11:09
<Lumiere>
uh
11:09* vagrantc reads the LocalApps wiki page
11:09
<vagrantc>
so ... NIS, huh?
11:09
<Lumiere>
paavum: no thanks...
11:09
ltspbot: forget paavum
11:09
<ltspbot>
Lumiere: The operation succeeded.
11:09
<Lumiere>
ogra: or atheists...
11:09
either way
11:09
<ogra>
heh
11:09
<Lumiere>
they'll be offended
11:10
<ogra>
well, a good ahtheist should care ;)
11:10
*shouldn'T
11:10
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids --search values
11:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
11:10
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
11:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
11:10
<vagrantc>
see, we've already got too many entries... i don't know how to display them all
11:10
<Lumiere>
ogra: they care about the idea that there is no god
11:10
<ogra>
hmm, wgat is edubuntu ?
11:11
!edubuntu
11:11
<ltspbot>
ogra: "edubuntu" is an Ubuntu variant especially tailored for schools. You can find it at http://www.edubuntu.org
11:11
<Lumiere>
paavum: if you come up with something funny
11:11
or witty
11:11
<ogra>
Lumiere, yes, but they dont care for people making themselves gods ;)
11:11
<Lumiere>
go ahead
11:11
har har
11:11
I hate englsih
11:11
with a passion
11:11
<ogra>
i dont ... it enables me to talk to you :)
11:11
<paavum>
Yeap
11:12
<Lumiere>
yes
11:12
the language is a mess though
11:12
<ogra>
i mean, ok, if there were no english we'd talk esperanto or something else :)
11:12
<paavum>
!learn paavum Magnus Paavum
11:12
<ltspbot>
paavum: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
11:12
<paavum>
!learn paavum as Magnus Paavum
11:12
<ltspbot>
paavum: The operation succeeded.
11:13
<paavum>
at least gimme that
11:13
vagrantc: yes sir, NIS
11:13
<antgel>
!msg the bot
11:13
<ltspbot>
antgel: Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
11:13
<antgel>
grr
11:13
<cliebow_>
paavum: you must be good if you got nis working by my instructions..jammcq walked mr through it and i only remembered about half what he said
11:14
<paavum>
I never got an error message
11:14
havent tried logging in
11:14
cuz I read the whole wiki... and did your instructions and some other below
11:14
<vagrantc>
paavum: how many users will you have?
11:15
<cliebow_>
feel free to update/consolidate on thew wiki..
11:15
<vagrantc>
if it's a relatively small number, you might want to just use ssh keys
11:15
<paavum>
vagrantc... about 10 or 20
11:16
<vagrantc>
paavum: do they need access to the files in their home dir ?
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11:16
<paavum>
yes
11:16
<vagrantc>
bummer.
11:17
well, i guess it's not so bad.
11:17
<paavum>
vagrantc... maybe I could even get their docs to another dir
11:18
OR
11:18
every ws has a harddriv
11:18
maybe we could get the harddrive working and we wouldnt need the home dir :P
11:18
<vagrantc>
well, the easy way would be to add all the same users into /opt/ltsp/i386 with disabled password and then use ssh keys ...
11:19
but then you need to sync user information uids/gids between the server and /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
11:19
that's where NIS or ldap authentication would be nice ...
11:19
<paavum>
but I have NIS running (I think)
11:19
<vagrantc>
paavum: can you ssh to the thin-client ?
11:20
<paavum>
lemme bring it up
11:20
<vagrantc>
i guess i should make sure you have sshd running ...
11:23
<paavum>
Hrmm seems like sshd is down
11:23
but I dont know how to bring it up :(
11:23
<vagrantc>
dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l '*ssh*'
11:24
paavum: did you install it into the chroot ?
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11:25* vagrantc worries that instructions for ltsp 4.2 might have done weird things applied to ltsp5
11:26
<vagrantc>
conceptually, it should all work if you install all the right things, but following the instructions exactly will likely break.
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11:27
<paavum>
the NIS?
11:27
no
11:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: whoah ... rather than distributing a tarball by bittorrent ... we could distribut the whole /opt/ltsp/ARCH dir ...
11:28
<paavum>
I did this
11:28
ssh-keygen -q -t rsa1 -f /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -C '' -N ''
11:28
<vagrantc>
and then you could upgrade by running bittorrent
11:28
paavum: i would just use the host key that the package generates.
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<vagrantc>
paavum: there should be no need to manually generate that.
11:29
<ogra>
right, the packages postinst does it
11:29
vagrantc, you mean uncompressed ?
11:29
<vagrantc>
paavum: this is one of those cases where the documentation will be more harmful than helpful.
11:30
<ogra>
i'D refer a tar.bz2 :) if i would pay the bandwith
11:30
<vagrantc>
i suppose ...
11:30
though you loose a lot of flexibility
11:31
<joebaker>
I think Gnome is broke in Ubuntu Feisty. It won't run on a non-glx display such as vncserver.
11:31
<vagrantc>
the big advantage would be upgrading from the etch/feisty pre-release instead of downloading a whole new tarball ... but maybe it still would be easier to download the tarball
11:31
<joebaker>
Are there many non-glx displays used in LTSP?
11:34* vagrantc wonders what's in the debian/etch tarballs that make them about 20MB bigger than the ubuntu ones
11:34
<antgel>
Blinny, cliebow_: heh, freenx rocks so very hard :)
11:34
<vagrantc>
i guess only about 11MB bigger than feisty
11:35
<joebaker>
antgel: I like freenx. But I'm running an older 1.5 series.
11:35
<ogra>
vagrantc, chroot $ROOT apt-get dist-upgrade should suffice, no ?
11:35
<antgel>
i could moan about the docs and lack of official debian packages, but bottom line is, it does what i want
11:35
joebaker: i'm running 1.5 as well
11:35
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, i suppose so.
11:36
<ogra>
vagrantc, intresting since ubuntu (feisty at least) ships a lot more ... pulse ltspfs
11:36
<vagrantc>
ogra: though /etc/resolv.conf is broken on the tarballs ... it will contain info for whoever generated the tarball
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11:36
<joebaker>
antgel: It's nice, but when Internet connectivity goes out temporarily, it can be a pain to recover.
11:36
<ogra>
vagrantc, right :/
11:36
we should put instructions up for that
11:36
<vagrantc>
if i could remember my login info, i'd update the wiki
11:37
<ogra>
heh i got the same prob :)
11:37* vagrantc wishes for openid support
11:37* ogra wishes for a ew world where no passwords are needed
11:37
<vagrantc>
you know, maybe we should start a new wiki for ltsp5 ...
11:38
<ogra>
yeah
11:38
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, that'd be better. freegeek got hit by stupid pointless wiki vandalism the other day.
11:38
<ogra>
well, there are already many ltsp5 pages
11:38
we should just have a section
11:38
<antgel>
what's the point? ltsp5 Just Works!
11:38
<vagrantc>
well, i would love to see some wiki other than twiki
11:38* antgel pulls tongue out of cheek
11:39
<ogra>
antgel, many people want to tweak it, since you can do that very easily ...
11:39
<vagrantc>
and a major shift to a new version would be a perfect time to switch wiki's
11:39
<ogra>
jammcq switched wikis last nov. not sure he wants to do that again :)
11:39
<vagrantc>
as a lot of the documentation is obsolete or even incorrect
11:39
<ogra>
at the SF summit ...
11:40
<vagrantc>
he switched from twiki to twiki ?
11:40
<ogra>
whats needed is someone who really takes care of it and cleans it out
11:40
<vagrantc>
doesn't sound like much of a switch
11:40
<ogra>
he switched servers and dropped the www site and redidi the whole wiki
11:40
re did
11:40
<vagrantc>
right.
11:41
ah well. apparently we're stuck with twiki forever.
11:41* ogra would prefer moin ...
11:41
<ogra>
but i dont run the server :)
11:41* vagrantc would prefer ikiwiki
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12:10
<paavum>
Grrrrr
12:10
this still wont let me log in :/
12:11
to the ws
12:11
and I did apt-get install openssh
12:11
it asks me for a password
12:11
great
12:12
now what do I do ?
12:12
vagrantc?
12:12
<vagrantc>
paavum: set up ssh keys
12:13
<paavum>
ssh-keygen bla?
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12:27
<paavum>
ok ssh keys generated
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12:28
<ogra>
put them into the users authorized_keys file then ...
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12:28
<vagrantc>
paavum: you have /home mounted ?
12:29* vagrantc notes that including the ssh keys on an NFS exported home is a bit of a security compromise
12:29
<ogra>
heh, a bit :)
12:31
<paavum>
yes
12:31
<vagrantc>
paavum: for a quick test, you could just copy the .pub key to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
12:31
<paavum>
doing so
12:31
<vagrantc>
paavum: and then chmod -R og-rwx /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh ; chown -R root.root /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh
12:37
<paavum>
ok now I log again into the client?
12:37
<vagrantc>
ssh root@thin-client
12:39
<paavum>
The RSA host key for ws144 has changed,
12:40
<vagrantc>
remove it from ~/.ssh/known_hosts
12:41
<paavum>
I already did
12:42
asks me for a password
12:42
<vagrantc>
ok ...
12:42
so what's the ssh key you're using ?
12:42
<paavum>
RSA key fingerprint is 7e:69:53:74:c4:f2:13:94:10:99:b4:3d:55:4e:b9:ec.
12:42
<vagrantc>
no, the filename
12:43
<paavum>
on the client?
12:43
<vagrantc>
no, the server
12:43
i.e. /home/USER/.ssh/id_rsa
12:44
<paavum>
/etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
12:44
<vagrantc>
ok... ls /home/USER/.ssh/
12:44
replacing USER with the username that you're logged into the server as.
12:44
<paavum>
[root@ltsp2 ~]# ls /root/.ssh/
12:44
known_hosts
12:44
(I aint that dumb :/)
12:44
<vagrantc>
so where's your ssh key?
12:45
<paavum>
dunno I generated it for the server
12:45
<vagrantc>
gah.
12:45
<paavum>
hehe
12:45
ok
12:45
just did
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<vagrantc>
so, lets generate a key for a user ....
12:45
<paavum>
sa.pub known_hosts
12:45
[root@ltsp2 .ssh]#
12:45
ack
12:45
<vagrantc>
run ssh-keygen without any arguments
12:46
<paavum>
id_rsa.pub
12:46
<marcelo>
hey guys
12:46
<paavum>
there I just generated it
12:46
so I copy that file over to the clients known_hosts right?
12:46
authorized keys sorry
12:46
<vagrantc>
paavum: and copy id_rsa.pub to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
12:46
paavum: and, for sanity's sake, lets just mv /root/.ssh/known_hosts to /root/.ssh/known_hosts.old
12:47
and try, try again
12:47
<paavum>
password asked agai
12:47
again
12:48
will reboot the thin client so that sshd will restart
12:48
<vagrantc>
paavum: are the permissions on the files only readable by the user? ls -la /opt/ltsp/.ssh/
12:49
<paavum>
-rw------- 1 root root 392 Apr 13 12:46 authorized_keys
12:50
so yes, they are only user-readable
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<vagrantc>
paavum: and the directory ?
12:52
paavum: sorry, ls -la /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh
12:54
<Blinny>
antgel: Rock on. (:
12:54
<paavum>
of course i did /opt/ltsp/i386/root
12:54
<vagrantc>
paavum: and what are the permissions on the /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh directory?
12:55
<paavum>
rwx only for root
12:55
<vagrantc>
ok.
12:55
ok ... try ssh -vvv root@thin-client
12:58
<ltsppbot>
"paavum" pasted "ssh -vvv root@ws144" (126 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/99
13:01
<vagrantc>
paavum: grep -i pubkey /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config
13:01
<paavum>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file or directory
13:02
<vagrantc>
paavum: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l '*ssh*'
13:03
<ltsppbot>
"paavum" pasted "ssh -vvv root@ws144" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/100
13:04
<vagrantc>
paavum: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openssh-server
13:04
<paavum>
I did!
13:04
<vagrantc>
sure doesn't look like it
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<vagrantc>
i would expect to see a line like ... ii openssh-server 4.3p2-9 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement
13:06
<paavum>
:/ hold on
13:06
just saw the message
13:06
<vagrantc>
if there's no sshd_config, and dpkg doesn't know that openssh-server is installed ... then i really find it hard to believe it's installed.
13:06
what is running on your machine, that's a mystery.
13:07
paavum: are you running the debian tarball or the ubuntu one?
13:07
<paavum>
debian tarball
13:07
but was working on the ubuntu tarball :/
13:07
<vagrantc>
because i see: ii openssh-client 4.3p2-5ubuntu1
13:07
<paavum>
so yes, I will accept public humiliation
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<paavum>
[root@ltsp2 ltsp]# grep -i pubkey /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config
13:09
PubkeyAuthentication yes
13:10
<vagrantc>
hrm.
13:10
<paavum>
k i'm in
13:11
I have to put a passphrase tho
13:11
should I put no passphrase?
13:11
<vagrantc>
diff /root/.ssh/id_rsa /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
13:11
ooops
13:11
diff /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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<paavum>
its the same file
13:12
just logged in
13:12
I have to put a passphrase tho
13:12
should I leave it for no passphrase?
13:12
<vagrantc>
when you created the key did you type in a passphrase?
13:12
<paavum>
yes
13:12
<vagrantc>
ah, well, then yeah, you'll have to type a passphrase :P
13:13
<paavum>
no I mean, should I regenerate the key so no passphrase should be entered?
13:13
<vagrantc>
well, do you want to be able to run applications without requiring a passphrase?
13:13
<paavum>
yes
13:13
<vagrantc>
and you shouldn't need to regenerate the key
13:13
<paavum>
lol
13:13
<vagrantc>
you can just change the passphrase
13:13
<paavum>
ok I'm in :)
13:14
now what?
13:14
<vagrantc>
ssh-keygen -p -N ''
13:14
ok ... so that was a long road ...
13:14
now we need to do the same thing as a user
13:15
<paavum>
ok so now logged in I have to generate the corresponding key
13:15
can't I just do something dangerously insecure and instead of doing that user by user
13:15
i do that with the server's keys?
13:15
<vagrantc>
depends on what you need.
13:16
<paavum>
all of the users (20) have to be able to run some apps locally
13:16
<vagrantc>
you could run the local applications as the same user on every machine, if they don't need per-user configuration
13:20
<paavum>
Ok no matter
13:20
I'll do that for each user
13:21
<vagrantc>
you could copy the same ssh key for each user ...
13:21
then every user can log in as every user :)
13:21
<paavum>
ok
13:22
so now I generate the key for root
13:22
and copy it ?
13:22
<vagrantc>
what are you trying to do?
13:22
<paavum>
you told me I need to do it the other way around
13:22
from client to server
13:22
<vagrantc>
i've talked about at least 2, maybe 3 different ways to go ...
13:22
so which are you talking about?
13:23
<paavum>
well... we're already going one way.. sshkey exchange... right?
13:24
<vagrantc>
yes, ssh keys, sure. but what are you trying to do ?
13:24
there are many many ways you could configure this using ssh keys.
13:25
<paavum>
well now that I have sshd the client
13:25
i would generate the key for the client
13:25
and copy it to the server
13:25
<vagrantc>
for the client, or for the user?
13:25
<paavum>
well... I have 20 users
13:26
and each of them has a different account
13:26
is there anyway I can save myself from generating 20 keys?
13:26
<ogra>
thats why you need network auth and homedrs on the client
13:26
<vagrantc>
use the same key for all 20 users?
13:26
<ogra>
or that
13:26
and a dedicated user
13:26
<vagrantc>
but you'd have to copy it to each user's home directory
13:27
yeah, or a dedicated user
13:28
or use HostbaseAuthentication
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<ogra>
heh
13:30
<paavum>
how do I do that?
13:30
instead of generating the keys per user
13:30
I do it for each host, right?
13:30
<vagrantc>
read the docs
13:31
i've never set it up, and probably never will.
13:31
<paavum>
ok, lets finish this for the root user
13:31
then I use host based auth
13:33
<vagrantc>
so ... to execute programs as root ... ssh -X root@ws144
13:33
and then run whatever programs you want
13:33
<paavum>
and thats it?
13:34
ok but now I have a trick question...
13:34
<ogra>
*now* ?
13:34
:)
13:35
<paavum>
lol
13:35* ogra goes to watch t and enjoy the rest of the evening ... might bbl ...
13:35
<ogra>
*tv
13:35
<paavum>
how do I know which host am I running>
13:36
<vagrantc>
echo $SSH_CLIENT $SSH_CONNECTION
13:36
maybe even $LTSP_CLIENT
13:37
if you logged in with LDM
13:37* Gadi would suggest not ssh -X but, setting the DISPLAY instead - no need to send the graphics on a round trip
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<paavum>
lets see how I'm logged in
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cuz I fear its a strange way
13:45
ok $SSH_CLIENT WORKS
13:59
vagrantc... now I try to run dosbox
13:59
and I get this error opening /dev/fb0 failed
13:59
Error opening framebuffer
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<vagrantc>
paavum: echo $DISPLAY
14:02
<paavum>
localhost:10.0
14:04
<vagrantc>
hmmm...
14:04
paavum: try running some other application
14:05
there's probably a fair amount of merit to gadi's suggestion
14:05* Gadi thinks maybe lsmod |grep fb
14:05* paavum just followed Gadi
14:05
<Gadi>
perhaps there is no frame buffer device
14:06
<paavum>
there is no framebuffer device
14:06
<Gadi>
ls /dev/fb0
14:06
return no file?
14:06
<paavum>
nope
14:07
<Gadi>
does dosbox require a frame buffer device?
14:07
you may need to config dosbox
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<paavum>
another funny thing
14:07
I do apt-get update
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and I get:
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<vagrantc>
why would dosbox require a frame buffer ?
14:09
<gonzaloaf_work>
hi, I use ltsp 4.2, I want my clients's home to be erased each time before the y log in, how can I do that?
14:10
<paavum>
now I cant get to the pastebot from the thin client
14:10
<Gadi>
paavum: is the fb0 thing an error or a warning?
14:10
<paavum>
the actual error is
14:11
cant init SDL DirectFBCreate
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<cliebow_>
Gadi: i see you hiding in there
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<lns>
what's up all
15:39
Can anyone tell me whether I need to follow the "Firefox 32-bit under AMD64" instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava if I'm running Ubuntu 6.10 64-bit with 32-bit thin clients? How can I accomplish this, with getting Flash & Java going?
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<paavum>
Hello?
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<PMantis>
hey mistik1
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<cliebow>
Pmantis!!!!!!!!!
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