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Channel log from 12 January 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<Venker>
hi there
04:59
is there some ltsp-utils compatible package for ltsp-server 5.2.1-0ubuntu9?
05:00
older versions conflicts with ltsp-server package
05:01
I need some binary to automatize remote shutdown of thin clients
05:01
(binary or script)
05:04
thanks in advance :)
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<Uzzi>
hi
05:05
<Venker>
hi Uzzi
05:05
<Uzzi>
I've a client that doesn't load init process
05:06
<alkisg>
Venker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn
05:07
Uzzi: what's the last message that you see?
05:08
<Venker>
thanks alkisg, I'll check
05:08
<Uzzi>
filename : /ltspIi386/nbi.img
05:09
<alkisg>
How does the client boot? With pxe, etherboot, gpxe, cd, floppy?
05:09
<Uzzi>
and after a splashy error Connection refuse (but this problems thare is other pc (that boot fine)too)
05:10
pxe
05:10
<alkisg>
Do you have other PCs that boot fine?
05:10
<Uzzi>
yes of course
05:10
<alkisg>
On that PC with the problem, do you get an "initramfs >" prompt?
05:10
<Uzzi>
all laptop and one with gpxe
05:12
and an other client with etherboot doesn't find image
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<Uzzi>
alkisg, there is a particular ltsp config for etherboot?
05:29
<alkisg>
(01:11:27 PM) alkisg: On that PC with the problem, do you get an "initramfs >" prompt?
05:29
<Uzzi>
no only these error
05:30
<alkisg>
Which error? PXE clients don't use nbi.img
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<alkisg>
Run: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, and remove "quiet splash" from there. Then reboot this client and write here the last 2-3 lines that you see.
05:31
<Uzzi>
ok
05:35
the same: rootserver okrootpah ok filename : /ltspIi386/nbi.img and the splashy error
05:35
no quiet e splash in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<alkisg>
What do you mean "splashy error"? what's the exact error message?
05:36
Put your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default in pastebin
05:36
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<Uzzi>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/wx3b7Tc1 alkisg
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<alkisg>
Uzzi: what distro/version are you using?
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<Uzzi>
debian
06:05
lenny
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<hahlo>
I can't login to my new fatclient system, it boots up to login window
06:09
I have update ltsp-update-sshkeys
06:10
ubuntu 10.10
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<hahlo>
It started to work
06:28
pae kernel on client side seems to show all the ram
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
07:05
good afternoon elias_a
07:06
<elias_a>
mgariepy: Thank you! Is your morning excellent? :)
07:08
<alkisg>
hahlo: are you using ldm or gdm?
07:09
<mgariepy>
elias_a, yes my morning is great thanks
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<elias_a>
mgariepy: Good!
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<cliebow>
hi Mark
07:18
<robehend1>
alkisg: I tried out fat-clients a bit more last night. I was able to have a reliable one running on a P4 with 512 mb of ram quite nicely
07:19
<alkisg>
robehend1: for low ram fat clients, other DEs help (lubuntu xubuntu etc)
07:19
<robehend1>
as soon as I learn to lock them down as well as gnome, thats my next step
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<alkisg>
You can also delete a lot of unneeded services, like update-apt-xapian-index etc
07:20* alkisg completely disables cron ;)
07:21
<robehend1>
any others you'd recommend? The machines are pretty much just used for open office and internet
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<muppis>
Got odd request.. JRE to thin..
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<robehend1>
your wanting to install jre as a localapp?
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<Uzzi>
a client with etherboot doesn't find image then doesn't boot
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<nosedrum>
hi there !
08:34
i have a little issue
08:35
after upgrade my ltsp server to lucid
08:35
my thin client boot pxe and after just a blank screen
08:35
the last message i can sse are:
08:35
timer not connected IO-APIC
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out of sequence
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<robehend1>
hmm
08:36
try ltsp-update-kernels, perhaps the update broke them
08:36
<nosedrum>
i try before come here
08:36
ltsp-update-kernels / image / sshkeys
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<robehend1>
hmm. no clue then, my knowledge is quite minimal ;)
08:38
i tend to avoid in place upgrades like that, out of ear of this very thing
08:38
<nosedrum>
np you respond to me it's great ! :)
08:39
i don't understand why a upgrade of ltsp server can broke the chroot image ??
08:40
<robehend1>
i think think its the image being broken, probably the way the image is passing to the client
08:40
try grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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and make sure the port listed for your image is the same port thats in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/chroot/pxelinux.cfg/default file
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<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a95:/opt/ltsp# grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
08:42
#9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
08:42
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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root@ltsp_a95:/opt/ltsp# cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
08:42
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
08:43
no port in default file ...
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<robehend1>
hmm
08:44
did you update to 10.04?
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<nosedrum>
yep
08:44
9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.04
08:44
<robehend1>
try applying the nbd_proxy fix
08:44
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034
08:45
last 2 comments provide instructions on how to do it
08:45
<nosedrum>
ok i'll try this now
08:45
i'll be bck for result
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<robehend1>
alrighty, wish you luck
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<nosedrum>
ok
08:52
not ok
08:52
but change
08:52
i have ubuntu logo loading
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and after a black screen with prompt => go into busy box
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but before busy boox, some log with :
08:53
Error: failed to connect to NDB server 192.168.254.4:2000, retrying
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message spamed many times
08:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
nosedrum: is your nbd server up and running?
08:53
for sure?
08:54
<mgariepy>
nosedrum, try connecting to you nbd server with telnet : telnet 192.168.254.4 2000
08:55
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a95:~# /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart
08:55
Restarting the Network Block Device server is pretty harsh on clients still using it.
08:55
waiting 5 seconds...You have been warned!
08:55
Restarting Network Block Device server: Stopping Network Block Device server: nbd-server.
08:55
** (process:10716): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Could not open config file /etc/nbd-server/config.
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** Message: Nothing to do! Bye!
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<nosedrum>
nbd-server.
08:55
Telnet die
08:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
I mean "service ndb status"
08:55
it shows that it's running right?
08:55
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a95:~# service ndb status
08:55
ndb: unrecognized service
08:55
xD
08:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
ffffffffffff
08:56
<nosedrum>
netstat and ps -ef don't show nbd
08:56
<mgariepy>
nbd is started via inetd
08:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
in that case, check inetd :)
08:56
<mgariepy>
nosedrum, try : netstat -taunp | grep LISTEN
08:56
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a95:~# cat /etc/xinetd.d/nbrootd
08:56
service nbrootd
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{
08:56
disable = no
08:56
socket_type = stream
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protocol = tcp
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port = 2000
08:56
wait = no
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user = nobody
08:56
server = /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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server_args = /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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root@ltsp_a95:~# netstat -taunp | grep LISTEN
08:56
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 859/smbd
08:56
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 859/smbd
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tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9102 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1416/bacula-fd
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tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1545/perl
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tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 877/sshd
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tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1346/cupsd
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tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1223/master
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<nosedrum>
tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 877/sshd
08:57
tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN 1346/cupsd
08:57
no nbd server
08:57
<robehend1>
ack, sorry nose, just got back.
08:57
<Uzzi>
nooooooooooooo!
08:57
<nosedrum>
np _UsUrPeR_ help me too
08:57
<Uzzi>
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
Uzzi: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
08:57
<robehend1>
try removing the "quiet splash" from your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/chroot/pxelinux.cfg/default file, and rebooting
08:57
<nosedrum>
very sorry for paste in chat
08:57
<robehend1>
that'll show us any errors
08:57
<nosedrum>
i'll pastebin for nexts
08:58
<mgariepy>
nosedrum, you have inetd and xinetd installed on you machine ?
08:59
<nosedrum>
yep
08:59
...
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<nosedrum>
ok so i have a nbd server problem
08:59
and it's configured in inetd and xinet
08:59
so i have to cut some
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<mgariepy>
i personally use inetd. you should try to start it then retry the telnet client
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<robehend1>
i've had good luck with inetd
09:03
mgariepy: Say, with the edubuntu-menueditor, is it possible to change the icons and such of links?
09:03
<mgariepy>
robehend1, nop
09:04
<robehend1>
ah, ok. darn
09:04
<mgariepy>
robehend1, edubuntu-menueditor is only managing the menus layout to hide and reorganize stuff.
09:05
<robehend1>
understood. I was hoping I could reorganize under a different header, is all. Then I could add just that header to the gnome-panel, and get rid of the "Places" menu
09:06
<Uzzi>
a client with etherboot doesn't find image
09:07
<nosedrum>
i have purge my /etc/inetd.conf
09:07
<mgariepy>
robehend1, places isn't a proper menu, only applications and system are.
09:07
<nosedrum>
and reboot my server
09:07
<robehend1>
mgariepy: thats what i figured. which is why it seems so difficult to get rid of ;)
09:07
<nosedrum>
/usr/sbin/nbdrootd only drive by xinetd
09:07
wee'll see
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<hahlo>
is nbd faster than nfs?
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<gsouque>
hi
09:10
what is the best way to install fglrx in the ltsp chroot?
09:12
<robehend1>
cant you install it via sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/chroot apt-get install fglrx ?
09:14
<gsouque>
it is the only pkg to install ?
09:14
<robehend1>
not sure, never used ati vid cards
09:14
try adapting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AtomIon to fit yoru needs. shows how to use the nvidia drivers for ION gpus
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<Uzzi>
all my ltsp users look "avaiables uploads". Can I denide this?
09:21
<nosedrum>
ok so i have a problem with xinet.d i think
09:21
see that
09:21
http://pastebin.com/bQaNCeD2
09:21
nbd server on port 2000 don't run after reboot
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<robehend1>
hmm
09:22
i couldnt help ya there, i just know how to configure the ports, not get nbd workin.
09:22
Uzzi: what do you mean "available uploads" ? Where is that seen?
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<cemc>
ltsp on ubuntu lucid uses nbd. can I revert back to nfs easily ?
09:24
or at all
09:24
I suspect something fishy with nbd, but I can't prove it ;) my thin clients randomly don't boot up properly and I don't know whty
09:25
<robehend1>
nbd proxy
09:25
let me get you the bugpage
09:25
cemc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034
09:25
<mgariepy>
nosedrum, maybe you should use inetd instead.
09:25
<robehend1>
cemc: last two comments give a fix, works great. Also, try LDM_DIRECTX = True to speed up boot. I'm getting sub 30 seconds
09:28
<highvoltage>
LDM_DIRECTX wouldn't have an effect on boot speeds though
09:28
<Uzzi>
robehend1, package update sorry :D
09:28
<robehend1>
ah
09:29
<cemc>
I AM using DIRECTX for other reasons
09:29
I'll try disabling nbd_proxy
09:29
<robehend1>
highvoltage: it doesnt? I've seen increased bootspeeds after disabling it
09:30
<highvoltage>
robehend1: enabling LDM_DIRECTX will increase performance once you've logged in, before that it has no effect
09:31
<robehend1>
Uzzi: You can turn it off in gconf, under Apps->Update Notifier , then uncheck the auto launch button.
09:31
<highvoltage>
robehend1: it merely disables the encryption/compression for your session to the application server, which isn't used during the boot process
09:31
<robehend1>
highvoltage: ah, ok. Must be my imagination on the boot speed increase.
09:32
<nosedrum>
OK
09:32
nbd server is up
09:32
(have to update /etc/services file)
09:32
but now i have black screen few seconds after ubuntu logo loading
09:32
....
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<robehend1>
remove quiet splash from your pxelinux.cfg/default file
09:33
<nosedrum>
ok i 'll try
09:33
have to ltsp-update-image or kernels ?
09:33
<robehend1>
nope
09:33
it'll just let us see any error messages
09:33
<nosedrum>
ok
09:34
i keep nbd_proxy=false ?
09:34
<robehend1>
mhmm
09:35
<nosedrum>
i try with
09:36
ok many error messages
09:36
about mounting
09:36
<mgariepy>
nosedrum, yeah keep nbd_proxy to false
09:36
<robehend1>
ok
09:36
<nosedrum>
al mounting nbd failed
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<robehend1>
pastebin your grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
09:36
<nosedrum>
and finally :
09:36
tekoholic: arget filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
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No init found. Try passing init= bootarg
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<mgariepy>
robehend1, nosedrum is using xinetd
09:37
<nosedrum>
i can paste my /etc/xinetd.d/nbrootd
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<robehend1>
ah, my bad
09:38
try doing that, nose.
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<nosedrum>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ujCAPsV0
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<robehend1>
well, it looks like its throwing the right port out there..
09:40
try putting nbdport=2000 in your pxelinux.cfg/default file, just to see what happens
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<nosedrum>
ok
09:41
same issue
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<robehend1>
hmm. I'm not sure then, sadly. Any reason why you dont want to use inetd ?
09:42
<nosedrum>
no reason
09:42
i can do that
09:42
<robehend1>
i only suggest cuz its what i'm using, and its working for me.
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<nosedrum>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=S8DwyzEx
09:43
aggre with that inetd conf ?
09:43
<robehend1>
loosk good to me
09:44
<Uzzi>
robehend1, I've a client that doesn't load init process.filename : /ltspIi386/nbi.img and after a splashy error Connection refuse (but this problems thare is other pc (that boot fine)too)
09:45
<robehend1>
Uzzi: pastebin your grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf and your pxelinux.cfg/default
09:46
<Uzzi>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/wx3b7Tc1 robehend1
09:49
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/5wTBY2es robehend1
09:49
<arvin_>
nosedrum: try using nbdroot=IP:PORT instead (remove nbd_port in case it's defined).
09:50
<robehend1>
Uzzi: are you using nfs or nbd
09:50
<Uzzi>
nfs
09:50
<robehend1>
Uzzi: ack, cant help ya. never used it :(
09:51
<Uzzi>
:(
09:51
robehend1, there is a particular ltsp config for etherboot?
09:52
an other client with etherboot doesn't find image then doesn't boot
09:52
<arvin_>
Uzzi: have you tried any client using PXE?
09:52
Uzzi: or only etherboot?
09:53
<cemc>
I'm confused about how the /var/lib/..../pxelinux.cfg/default file is generated. I see that it gets copied from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default when I run ltsp-update-kernels, but what generates THAT file?
09:53
<Uzzi>
i've gpxe, pxe and etherboot client
09:53
<robehend1>
Uzzi: no clue
09:53
<Uzzi>
one gpxe works fine
09:53
<robehend1>
cemc: ltsp-update-image.conf has the flags
09:53
cemc: er, /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
09:54
<cemc>
mine doesn't
09:54
I only have NO_COMP="...."
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<cemc>
but I DO have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
09:55
which does have BOOTPARAM_OPTS=...
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<Uzzi>
gPXE has not my device drivers (sis191)
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<arvin_>
Uzzi: You need to define the vendor class for etherboot.
10:06
Uzzi: one second
10:07
Uzzi: like this http://ltsp.pastebin.com/tF56ZmXZ
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<Uzzi>
I've problems with: a linksys lne100tx and a sis191
10:08
ok arvin_
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<arvin_>
Uzzi: did it work?
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<arvin_>
alkisg: I have a tough one for you.
10:55
On a ubuntu minimal server + LTSP standalone running only X and rdesktop, how many clients do you think you could run simultaneously on this machine: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-4091408-4151281-4151422.html
10:56
You may of course pull a qualified number out of your ass. :)
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<arvin_>
I'm thinking 50 easy, but 100? Would that be pushing it a bit?
10:57
<evil_root>
what servers you expecting the users to use? firefox, office?
10:57
and how much ram are you putting in it
10:57
services*
10:58
<arvin_>
It's that configuration and it's only running as slim of an X as minimal ubuntu + standalone will install, so no firefox, no nothing except rdesktop.
10:59
<alkisg>
arvin_: if the clients are only running X and rdesktop, you could boot thousands of clients (depending solely on your network speed and if you boot them all at once or not) on a simple home pc...
10:59
<evil_root>
if you run rdesktop as a local app, you could run even more
11:00
<arvin_>
alkisg: of course what I'm interested in is max load. The maximum amount of simultaneous connections.
11:00
<alkisg>
Suppose that a booting client needs to pull 20 Mb from the server. The server doesn't waste any CPU or RAM or disk for this, it just needs to be able to send 20 Mb * number of clients that boot simultaneously.
11:00
It's just network speed, no other load involved.
11:00
<arvin_>
Hmm
11:01
rdesktop is running locally on a ramdisk?
11:01
<alkisg>
So I'd prefer to use 10 very old PCs as servers instead of your expensive single one ;)
11:01
Yes, SCREEN_07=rdesktop makes it run locally
11:01
<evil_root>
yes
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<arvin_>
And X as well?
11:02
<alkisg>
Yes X runs locally
11:02
<arvin_>
So let me get this straight, my entire environment is running locally on the ramdisk?
11:02
<alkisg>
Yes
11:02
<arvin_>
Wow
11:02
<alkisg>
No
11:02
<evil_root>
except the home directory
11:02
<alkisg>
Not ramdisk, "networked disk"
11:03
For rdesktop there's no home sharing involved (from the ltsp server to the ltsp client)
11:03
<arvin_>
Aha, so it's running the applications from NBD.
11:03
<alkisg>
It's running rdesktop and X from nbd, yes
11:03
So the nbd traffic is the only bottleneck
11:03
<arvin_>
And NBD server is just using disk space, no RAM.
11:03
Right?
11:04
I mean for the client applications.
11:04
<alkisg>
It's using a little ram, which is insignificant
11:04
<arvin_>
That's very interesting.
11:04
You just pushed my costs down.
11:04
:)
11:04
<alkisg>
E.g. if you boot 50 clients per minute, and each of them needs 20 Mb to boot, ==> 50 x 20 = gigabit connection
11:05
If you want to boot 200 clients in a minute (and can't want 4 minutes for booting), put 4 pci-e nic cards
11:05
Something like that, not exact numbers, but you get the idea
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<alkisg>
After they boot they don't use nbd much
11:05
The main bottleneck is simultaneous booting
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<arvin_>
alkisg: that's not going to be the issue.
11:10
alkisg: the server will probably have constant load once it has been installed.
11:10
<alkisg>
You can boot thousands with a home pc then
11:11
<arvin_>
alkisg: So for 300 users I could use any server with a fast hard drive and say 2-3GB of RAM?
11:11
<alkisg>
You don't need a fast drive
11:11
It will cache all the needed data in ram
11:12
For thin clients the nbd image is quite small, it fits easily in the server's ram
11:12
bbl
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<arvin_>
alkisg: so RAM is what we need.
11:22
<robehend1>
Gosh I wish FedEx delivered faster. This 3com switch is driving me bonkers
11:24
<whale>
Hi. could you help me with usb access under windows. i have working ltsp-cluster (root and 2 app servers) on ubntu 10.04. under linux usb works fine but under windows doesn't. In ltsp-clusre control i have set for my terminal RDP_OPTIONS=-r disk:Devices=/media/root also RDP_SERVER and SCREEN_07. when I login to windows I can see in my computer ltsp126 drive but it is empty. Ho wo configure it properly?
11:25
<robehend1>
whale: did you try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
11:28
<whale>
robehend1: I'm not using lts.conf directly with ltsp-cluster. I'm useing options stored in postgrsql I set in web console. in fact these they are the same options like in this manual.
11:29
<robehend1>
whale: ah, makes sense. does cluster-control allow you to set options to your screen_07 = rdesktop setup?
11:30
<whale>
robehend1: unfortunatell not. you can only set ldm or rdesktop
11:30
<robehend1>
hmm, not sure then. not a cluster guy
11:32
<nosedrum>
re !
11:32
i'm back
11:32
<robehend1>
heyo
11:32
<whale>
robehend1: thanks. I'll try directly with lts.conf
11:32
<nosedrum>
my issue not resolve .... :(
11:32
<robehend1>
nosedrum: whats it doing now
11:32
<nosedrum>
i'm desesperate
11:32
ndb0: unknowwn pmatulisartition table
11:32
ndb0: unknown partition table
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<pmatulis>
nosedrum: huh?
11:33
<robehend1>
hmm
11:33
i'm a bit out of my depth on that, to be honest.
11:33
<nosedrum>
mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: Invalid argument
11:33
and same for each mount point
11:34
nbd-server is running
11:34
telnet works
11:34
i test with inetd and xinetd
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the only thing i can change is
11:35
nbd_proxy=false in default file
11:35
with it ==> ndb0: unknown partition tabl
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<robehend1>
without it?
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<nosedrum>
without ==> error: can't connect to nbd-server 192.168.254.4:2000
11:36
loop of message
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<robehend1>
i honestly have no idea. do you, alkisg?
11:36
<whale>
exit
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<nosedrum>
i have 82 ltsp server working like a charm in 9.04
11:37
and actualy i test the 10.04 upgrade
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11:38
<nosedrum>
but the upgrade seems to be a problem...
11:38
<robehend1>
ya, i really dont like to run updates of whole distros. I take the 'backup and reinstall' method
11:38
<nosedrum>
yes but backup reinstall method for 82 sites ..... oO
11:38
<robehend1>
eww, right
11:40
<nosedrum>
i'll put back my master image on my test server
11:40
go back 9.04 and test ltsp on each step
11:40
9.04 -> 9.10
11:40
9.10 -> 10.04
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<robehend1>
ya, otherwise i dont know what to tell you
11:41
<nosedrum>
i make many manipulation since begining of tests
11:41
i'll be back here with more details on issue declaration
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<robehend1>
luck
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<robehend1>
now to make an attractive ldm theme that isnt 800 gazillion megabytes
11:44
<pmatulis>
robehend1: yes, those take a while to load
11:44
<robehend1>
pmatulis: heh. have a nice image all done, but its 3.9 megabytes
11:45
<pmatulis>
robehend1: yeah, looks real pretty :)
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<nosedrum>
exit
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<robehend1>
dgroos: if you dont mind me asking, how do you lockdown your student desktops and such on your ltsp?
12:50
<dgroos>
hey robehend1--you don't have students who don't cooperate with your every suggestion? ;)
12:50
Let me tell you...
12:50
but gotta later, I'm in the middle of a class :D
12:53
<robehend1>
haha, would love to hear more when your back ;)
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<robehend1>
Gadi: Just the guy I wanted to see. What was that fix you had clobbered together to make Sabayon work? Something about tmp files or something
13:00
<Gadi>
heh "clobbered"
13:00
prolly more accurate than "cobbled"
13:00
<robehend1>
i enjoy the mental vision of someone, a hammer, and lines of code. what can i say
13:00
simple, simple tastes
13:00
<Gadi>
Sabayon creates a temporary profile file
13:01
I think something like /tmp/profie*.zip
13:01
er, /tmp/profile*.zip
13:01
when you open the profile for editing
13:01
so, while the profile is open for editing, I make my changes
13:01
but before I save, I delete that tmp file
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then, I save and quit
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<robehend1>
what if it wont let you open a profile to edit it, or make a new one?
13:02
<Gadi>
wont let you?
13:02
you mean it crashes?
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<robehend1>
yes
13:04
<Gadi>
is this after we made that surgical edit to that file
13:04
or is this a stock sabayon?
13:05
<robehend1>
heppens on both stock and edited
13:05
though could it be that I'm trying to run it via ssh -X ?
13:05
<Gadi>
yeah, that could be
13:05
<robehend1>
hmm, well that sorta sucks, since its on a kvm guest OS
13:05
and it does the same through the VNC connection
13:05
<Gadi>
it could be the VM
13:06
I have had issues with doing it through a VM
13:06
<robehend1>
hmm
13:06
<Gadi>
yeah
13:06
<robehend1>
darn. its such a handy program ;)
13:06
<Gadi>
Im not sure whats with VM graphics
13:06
but programs like Xephyr and stuff
13:06
seem to have a hard time
13:06
sometimes
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<robehend1>
well i have a standalone server install here, let me ssh into that and see if it'll x forward stock sabayon
13:07
<Gadi>
and sabayon uses Xephyr
13:07
one of the many pitfalls of this whole - make your profile changes in a test desktop in a window approach
13:07
<robehend1>
understandable though
13:08
<Gadi>
I guess
13:08
I still dont know why they dont just copy group policies on windows
13:08
<robehend1>
hmm. weird. when I launch it from the command line with a standard sudo sabayon, it'll crash when I try to edit a profile
13:08
<Gadi>
sure, its boring work to copy
13:08
<robehend1>
but if i launch it with gksudo, it works
13:08
<Gadi>
but at least its reliable
13:09
interesting
13:09
<robehend1>
let me try to make a new one. i dont know why using gksudo instead of sudo would affect it though
13:11
weird. works fine
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<Gadi>
wow
13:38
politics meets oss
13:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
?
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<robehend1>
hmm?
13:38
<Gadi>
so, I do some work for a school
13:38
<john_s>
can anyone give me advice about using an IME with local Firefox. I want to be able to switch between English and Japanese Character input
13:38
<Gadi>
at times
13:38
<robehend1>
Gadi: welcome to hell eh?
13:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: You have me intrigued. Please, don't keep me hanging
13:39
<Gadi>
and they said they had some slowness in a geography program
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so, I log in and fire up kgeography
13:39
so, I decide to put up a map
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<Gadi>
and, with my natural bias (and since the default was USA), I threw up Israel
13:40
with interesting results....
13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
?
13:40
<robehend1>
country doesnt exist?
13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
tell me you took a screen shot
13:40
<Gadi>
oh it exists
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<_UsUrPeR_>
There's no Palestinian portion?
13:40
<Gadi>
just, I suppose the border dispute that plagues the poor country cannot be avoided when making a map for kgeography
13:41
<robehend1>
ooo fun
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
is it a giat cross-hatch with the subscript "????????"
13:41
<Gadi>
nope
13:41
<robehend1>
i'm hoping for ponies, myself
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
lol
13:41
<Gadi>
I guess it is just one of those things to keep an eye on
13:42
I shouldnt bring politics into #ltsp
13:42
:)
13:42
<robehend1>
ha, a few days ago we had 20 minutes of the IT crowd
13:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
well they been brought dawg!
13:42
AWWW SHIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
13:42
<Gadi>
its just prolly not the program my kids will use in their school
13:42
:)
13:42
<robehend1>
im curious now, what came up?
13:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
Soviet Russia
13:43
<Gadi>
hehe
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
"Here there be dragons"
13:44
<john_s>
Any ideas re: local apps and IME settings?
13:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
john_s: start from the beginning
13:45
<robehend1>
john_s: never tried, sadly. Will it be for one thin client strictly beingo ne language, or switching alot
13:45
<Gadi>
john_s: what do you use on the server?
13:46
<john_s>
I am running Lucid with local firefox. My users alternate between japanese language input and english. I need it to work with local firefox
13:47
I figure I have to run ibus and maybe install language support in the chroot but I am not sure what i need
13:49
<Gadi>
john_s: you have it working on other apps that run on the server?
13:49
<john_s>
basically I need multiple language support for local apps
13:49
gadi: right, it works for server apps but not local apps
13:49
AFAIKT
13:50
<Gadi>
hmm... you will need at minimum the language support in the chroot
13:50
I would install that first and not install ibus in the chroot
13:50
and see if you can get it going
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<Gadi>
ibus is integrated with gconf, I believe
13:51
and all of its settings are in gconf keys
13:51
<john_s>
gadi: sounds reasonable. Do you know the command line way to install japanese language support? e.g. what packages need to be rolled in?
13:51
<Gadi>
if you install it locally, it will bring gconfd in along with it and you *may* have an issue with 2 gconfd accessing the same user's keys at once
13:52
<mgariepy>
ibus need to run on the server, an issue you might have with ibus is the ibus dialog position on firefox
13:52
<Gadi>
I believe there is a meta package
13:52
lets see
13:53
language-support-ja
13:53
that's prolly what you want
13:53
language-support-ja - metapackage for Japanese language support
13:56
btw, john_s: the answer to your email to the list lies in gconf
13:56
<john_s>
gadi: the meta package wants to install anthy, ibus, ibus-anthy etc
13:56
really?
13:56
that's great news
13:56
<Gadi>
ah, well I guess it is fine to install it
13:57
<john_s>
:-)
13:57
<Gadi>
the daemon will run server side
13:57
dont manually start ibus on the client or anything
13:57
john_s: are you familiar with gconf-editor?
13:59
if you can find out what gconf keys are added when you do "add input method" .... you can then set those keys as either default or mandatory for every user
13:59
<john_s>
gadi: yes a bit
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<john_s>
gadi: thanks for the help I'll let you know what I find out
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<Gadi>
good luck
14:02
幸運
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<robehend1>
anyone know of a way to change the color of just the text on a gnome panel, without changing the color of window text as well?
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<m4xx>
robehend1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=334747
14:28
does that help?
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<robehend1>
ah, yes. thankee
14:29
now to just make a decent "start" button thingy, and ill be set
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<john_s>
gadi: no dice on install the japanese language meta package in the local chroot
14:37
gadi: also don't see anything in gconf that would see to see what languages are loaded into input method tab of ibus preference ui
14:37
<Gadi>
john_s: nothing in gconf under ibus?
14:38
<john_s>
Gadi: only thing I see is a hot-key setting, I don't notice anything that says what language are available and loaded for use
14:39
<Gadi>
no preload_engines key?
14:41
john_s: also, maybe mgariepy can chime in again when he is available - French Canadians must deal with this all the time :)
14:41
<john_s>
Gadi: Yes there is a preload_engines key which is blank. Any idea what it should be set to to support english and Japanes
14:41
<mgariepy>
lol
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<john_s>
mgariepy: I am trying to set ibus to load japanese and english language support automatically for all users, any ideas?
14:45
<Gadi>
try: ibus-anthy
14:47
<mgariepy>
i know that ibus need to start on session opening
14:48
will you have some thin client in japanese and other in english ?
14:48
or you want it in english with ibus input method ?
14:49
we install ibus-gtk on the applications server
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<john_s>
mgariepy: I have english speakers who are taking a japanese class an need to switch between english and hiragana and katakana
14:50
<mgariepy>
and ibus-qt4
14:52
we have deployed this for a chinese organisation
14:53
<john_s>
I have ibus-gtk installed as part of the stock ubuntu lucid install what is the function of ibus-qt4??
14:53
<mgariepy>
how does the user start the japanese environemnt ? they choose japanese in ldm > language ?
14:54
<john_s>
mgariepy: They usually hit ctrl+space and the Anthy widget pops up, then they choses japanse input
14:54
at least thats how it worked under ubuntu Hardy
14:55
My problem is I seem to have to configure this per user rather than once
14:55
So I am looking for a way to tell ibus to always load the japanese language option
14:56
<mgariepy>
prout
14:56
wait a sec
14:56
<john_s>
ok
14:57
<mgariepy>
we have ibus starting on session starts i just need to find where it starts
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<cemc>
when, how and from where is the file /opt/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default updated?
14:59
<robehend1>
cemc: when you use the ltsp-update-image command
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<john_s>
I can start the ibus daemon with a script when users log on e.g. "ibus-daemon &" but the user doesn't have the choice to use Japanese input unless they go to system>pref>ibus and add it manually
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<cemc>
+/boot/
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<robehend1>
cemc: which can be configured via /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf file
15:00
<cemc>
robehend1: so if I put BOOTPARAM_OPTIONS="whatever" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf and run ltsp-update-image, tt should appear in /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<robehend1>
i believe so
15:01
<cemc>
BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS, sorry
15:04
<mgariepy>
john_s, maybe try with the xinput-all-ALL alternative and point it to ibus
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<cemc>
robehend1: it didn't update
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<mgariepy>
john_s, im-switch - set up input method for X Window
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<cemc>
robehend1: maybe I need a newer LTSP ? this is 5.2.1
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<robehend1>
cemc: ack, my mistake. ltsp-update-kernels updates the boot prompts, it looks. I'm going off of the Alkisg's nbdproxy fix, which included adding bootprompts
15:06
<cemc>
robehend1: I'm looking at that too, but it doesn't do what it says ;) apprently
15:06
<robehend1>
kill it with fire?
15:06
<john_s>
mgariepy: I am not familiar with "xinput-all-ALL"
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<john_s>
mgariepy: would that look like "im-switch xinput-all-ALL"
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<cemc>
if I'm not mistaken, ltsp-update-kernel will copy the default file from inside the chroot to /var/lib/.../default
15:06
but I don't see it updating the file
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<mgariepy>
john_s, what i've working on is a chinese environmet, so when ppl logs in they have the chineses lang set. the ibus load correctly alone, sinve you have an english env, when ibus start it doesn;t know what lang you want.
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<john_s>
mgariepy: correct unless I manually specify it via System>Preferences>ibus Preferences>Input Method
15:09
mgariepy: my issue is that I want to automate this for all users
15:09
so that they always have English and Japanese as methods
15:10
<mgariepy>
john_s, try : im-switch -v -z all_ALL -l
15:10
this will list the current and avalable input method
15:12
<john_s>
mgariepy: I see English Listed but not japanese. Interestingly I have japanese available under this user since I manually added it
15:12
So perhaps I am not understanding what is reported
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<mgariepy>
john_s, maybe this can helphttp://piao-tech.blogspot.com/2010/05/japanese-input-in-karmic-koala-kubuntu.html
15:14
http://piao-tech.blogspot.com/2010/05/japanese-input-in-karmic-koala-kubuntu.html
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<john_s>
mgariepy: thanks for your help. I'll look into this
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<mgariepy>
sorry i couldn't be of more help
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<john_s>
mgariepy: very helpful, thank you for your time, I appreciate it!
15:20
bye
15:20
<mgariepy>
cya
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<alkisg>
cemc: ltsp-update-image --force. Force regenerates the pxelinux.cfg/default file in the chroot too
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<robehend1>
thats what I'm missing. i thought i was on the right path
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<cemc>
oh, nice. that was it
15:35
alkisg, robehend1: thanks!
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<eddiek>
hi there. i need some help with installing local apps. i am trying to setup firefox and vlc and a flash plugin to run on the client device
15:51
<robehend1>
Gadi: any idea why telling Sabayon to use a different profile for all users isnt taking?
15:51
<eddiek>
can anyone help me please?
15:51
<robehend1>
eddiek: have you taken a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsFirefox
15:52
<cemc>
what does nbd_proxy=false do exactly? how do I know that it's working?
15:54
when I ssh to the thin client I still see an nbd-proxy process running
15:54
<eddiek>
yes. i have also run through the bug fix issue part. when i boot the client I cannot see vlc or firefox in the menus. also when i run ltsp-localapps firefox or vlc, they dont run either. i am very newbie to linux and ltsp.
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<robehend1>
eddiek: did you update the image after you installed the programs in the chroot?
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<eddiek>
im just running sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386_w_localapps now to make sure. is that right?
15:56
<robehend1>
if thats wat your chroot is called, yes
15:56
<eddiek>
yes
15:56
as the instructions suggest
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<eddiek>
hi there again. i have updated my image...still the same
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no vlc or firefox
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<robehend1>
even with you doing ltsp-localapps firefox ?
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<eddiek>
yes
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i think i am getting confused with lts.conf file. could that cause this issue
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<robehend1>
pastebin your lts.conf
16:07
ltsp.pastebin.com
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<eddiek>
what do u mean
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<eddiek>
oh i see hang on
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<robehend1>
ack, sorry edd, i've gotta go. If i can get back, i'll take a look and see what i can do
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