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Channel log from 6 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

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<joules>
hi, whats peoples impression with newer DE's with rendered (composite) graphics? This network (100mbit) struggles a bit with kde4.
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<bakytn>
Hello guys! In a testing period I would like to be able to edit chroot environment without running ltsp-update-image everytime I make changes.
06:08
I know that using NFS would work. But how to tell thin clients to use NFS instead of currently using NBD? Configurations? or should I completely rebuild my ltsp?
06:15
<work_alkisg>
!release
06:15
<ltsp>
release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
06:15work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
06:21
<bakytn>
alkisg, sorry, it's Ubuntu 12.10 chroot is i386 not sure about LTSP version
06:21
I am following this tutorial now, hope it'll work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
06:27
where is i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup is located in latest version of LTSP?
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06:37
<alkisg>
bakytn: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server on the server, export /opt/ltsp/i386 in /etc/exports,
06:37
and then sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
06:37
There you'll see many entries. The first one is NBD, the second NFS. Switch them.
06:38
The UbuntuLTSP wiki is extremely out of date, it either needs a maintainer or someone to delete it :)
06:40
<bakytn>
alkisg, so there's no need to update ramfs then?
06:40
alkisg, cool, trying.
06:41
alkisg, getting just a black screen
06:44
<alkisg>
!quietsplash
06:44
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
06:44
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
06:44
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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06:46
<bakytn>
alkisg, btw alkisg, while you are here, please can you direct me on how to customize the login screen? what I want is to have 2 inputs on the same page (login, password)
06:47
<alkisg>
bakytn: you'd need to recompile the ldm greeter (it's in .c)
06:47
Or just wait until ltsp6 and lightdm...
06:48
<bakytn>
alkisg, cool, sorry for this shameless question..when is ltsp6 coming?
06:48
<alkisg>
Noone knows; but next week we're supposed to have a hackathon to start ltsp6
06:49
<bakytn>
super!
06:49
<alkisg>
I imaging it'll be there for the next debian stable version, and maybe in ubuntu too if the MIR stuff doesn't make all devs leave ubuntu...
06:49
<bakytn>
alkisg, yeah I heard about MIR..
06:50
alkisg, about NFS. it was loading almost fine until it stuck on "cannon create /etc/hosts: Permission denied"
06:50
full line: "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm 93: /usr/share..."
06:51
full line: "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm 93: /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm: cannon create /etc/hosts: Permission denied""
06:52
<alkisg>
It should be writeable at that point, I don't know why it isn't, it needs troubleshooting
06:52
(debugging the ltsp code)
06:54
<bakytn>
can the problem be in nfs? here is the line: "/opt/ltsp/i386 *(no_subtree_check,no_root_squash)"
06:57
add rw option working fine
06:58
phew.
06:58
<alkisg>
No, you shouldn't do that
06:58
I'm guessing the problem is in the tmpfs mount over the nfs mount
06:58
Maybe it's not working with overlayfs and it needs to have aufs forced...
06:58
With NFS rw you're letting the client "destroy" your chroot
06:59
<bakytn>
alkisg, got it
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07:58
<bakytn>
do you know why I am able to login with login/password but can't sudo from ltsp session? (note: I am in sudoers)
07:58
I can't change my password either
07:59
<muppis>
Trying to do it at server or client?
08:00
<bakytn>
muppis, at server
08:01
muppis, or...better with example: I boot with thinclient to LXDE session. Run terminal (not a localapp) and then try to passwd (to change my password)
08:01
muppis, I played with LTSP a lot before (a year ago ro so) and haven't faced any issue
08:02
release is: Ubuntu 12.10 am64, chroot is i386 with lubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu desktops installed
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08:04
<muppis>
Odd.
08:04
<bakytn>
muppis, that's not normal right? I mean..may be tehre something changed in one year
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<muppis>
With thin client you should be able to do things at server like you're locally logged in, as you might already know that. :D So no, that's not normal that you can't change your passwd or do sudo.
08:09
Unless you didn't mistype something in sudoers file.
08:21
<bakytn>
muppis, no I didn't..
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10:02
<bakytn>
how to enable encryption? I set LDM_DIRECTX=False on lts.conf and tcpdump is not showing encryption information (Ubuntu 12.10 amd64, chroot i386)
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10:21
<bakytn>
is LDM_DIRECTX actual on latest versions of LTSP?
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<zajactom>
wow! so many people loged in ;-) greetings to all
10:23
<bakytn>
hey!
10:23
can you help me with this: http://pastebin.com/9Rzngf2C
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<zajactom>
I wish, but that is way above to my knowladge ;-)
10:36
<markit>
bakytn: yes it is
10:37
<bakytn>
markit, thank you for your response! but how can we explain that ti's not encrypted?
10:38
<markit>
bakytn: ?
10:38
with LDM_DIRECT = true you have NOT encrypted
10:38
<bakytn>
markit, I am setting LDM_DIRECTX=False and was expecting that whole traffic to be enrypted
10:39
<markit>
ah, sure, it should (and slow down a lot)
10:39
have you rebooted the client?
10:39
<bakytn>
markit, yes!
10:39
<markit>
and how can you tell that is not encrypted? should go through ssh tunnel AFAIK
10:39
<bakytn>
markit, is it really really feasible to try to encrypt everything? or there any other security options in ltsp
10:40
markit, I was using tcpdump sudo tcpdump -i eth0 host <thin client ip> and port 22
10:40
markit, I was running it right form the server
10:40
<markit>
bakytn: I need performances not security, so I'm not expert on this... the only option I've used is ldm_direct=true
10:40
<bakytn>
markit, ok
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10:40
<markit>
and you don't see traffic with tcpdump?
10:41
<bakytn>
markit, I see traffic only when I login and logout
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<markit>
mmm I'm at work, can't test in my home ltsp installation
10:42
try without port 22
10:42
maybe they connect encrypted with a different port?
10:42
<bakytn>
markit, yeah I thought so too but didn't check :)
10:42
markit, one moment
10:44
markit, I see the traffic but not sure if it's "encrypted" or not
10:47
<markit>
bakytn: I've cheked my notes
10:47
you are right, you have to check port 22
10:47
may I see your lts.conf (pastebin)?
10:47
have you put ldm_direct under [default] ?
10:47
<bakytn>
http://pastebin.com/hpXv055P
10:48
wait. is it LDM_DIRECT or LDM_DIRECTX?
10:48
it's the latter one on all docs I found
10:49
<markit>
LDM_DIRECTX
10:49
I was lazy typing
10:49
<bakytn>
the: "X_MODE_0 = 1024x768" part is just for me to verify that lts.conf is processed
10:50
<markit>
as far as I remember, LDM_DIRECTX=false is the default in any case
10:50
so that's really odd
10:51
<bakytn>
markit, yeah.
10:51
<markit>
and you are sure that that lts.conf is processed (maybe somewhere else you have LDM_DIRECTX=True ;P)
10:51
<bakytn>
markit, it's NFS, but I don't think that it could somehow related
10:51
markit, good question. one moment
10:51
<markit>
is it FAT or Thin client???
10:52
<bakytn>
markit, how to find out? lol I mean..it's just a ltsp-build-client
10:52
markit, it's thin client I guess
10:52
<markit>
ok, because fat don't produce ldm traffic
10:52
afaiu
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<bakytn>
markit, then I wouldn't see the ldm traffic when login/logout right?
10:53
<markit>
you still see ldm traffic at login/out
10:53
<bakytn>
I have another lts.conf which is on /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
10:53
<markit>
because authentication is done against the server in any case
10:53
<bakytn>
markit, yes I see ldm traffic at login/out
10:54
<markit>
bakytn: are you using ubuntu or debian? version?
10:54
<bakytn>
markit, ubuntu 12.10
10:54
<FrozenZia>
Argh. Hey all. Trying to follow instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp and getting an error already when just trying to add the Greek schools ppa. Tips?
10:54
<bakytn>
FrozenZia, hey, which error?
10:54
<markit>
bakytn: and you are editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right?
10:54
<bakytn>
markit, yes.
10:55
<markit>
bakytn: last test, reboot the server ;P
10:55
sorry, I've no more ideas on this issue
10:55
<bakytn>
markit, :-P
10:55
markit, why not.
10:55
<FrozenZia>
bakytn: Exception in thread Thread-1, then a bunch of references to python files, then "ValueError: cannot convert float NaN to integer"
10:55
<bakytn>
markit, remembering some Windows times
10:56
FrozenZia, do you have right Python?
10:56
<markit>
yep, good format c: also
10:56
<FrozenZia>
12.04 fresh install. What should it be?
10:56
<markit>
bakytn: btw, I've ltsp on 12.04, even if I dubt that 12.10 is a problem (except some bug on ldm_directx part ;P)
10:57
<FrozenZia>
bakytn: 2.7.3 looks to be the version
11:02
<bakytn>
FrozenZia, looks ok
11:04
<elias_a>
FrozenZia: Nice to seeyou around! :)
11:04
<FrozenZia>
hmmm... Bug #1063350... checking this out...
11:05
elias_a: hello hello hello!
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<bakyt>
reboot didn't help lol
11:07
markit, you don't have possiblity to quickly test this? :D
11:07
anybody has any possibility to test LDM_DIRECTX=False?
11:08
<markit>
bakyt: I'm 80 Km far away from my home, sorry
11:09
<bakyt>
markit, ok
11:09
<markit>
bakyt: I guess you have graphical traffic on port 6007, right?
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<bakyt>
markit, is it udp?
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<markit>
or can you check when moving mouse/windows if you have a burst of traffic ?
11:10
bakyt: don't know if udp or tcp, my notes don't tell me
11:10
probably I was using wireshark on the server just to check what is happening
11:10
you will have NBD traffic (the "hard disk" one) and the X-Window one
11:11
X-Window one should be on ports like that
11:11
<bakyt>
markit, I am using NFS for now
11:11
no traffic on 6007
11:11
ok let me use wireshark
11:13
<markit>
nfs not only for homes? you using "the debian way"? no ltsp-update-image?????
11:13
then you don' thave to modify THAT lts.conf
11:13
but the other one
11:14
in any case, do a # find / -name lts.conf and modify all the ones you find
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<markit>
bakyt: if you use "the debian way" (no NBD), the right file is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
11:16
AFAIR
11:16
<bakyt>
markit, how to find out if it's a Fat or Thin?
11:17
<markit>
there should be a ltsp-info maybe
11:17
try ltsp-TAB completion from bash
11:17
and see if there is a name that suggests to give info back
11:19
<FrozenZia>
bakyt: confirmed that that bug (and the Q&D-workaround that just got posted about 5 hrs ago) was my problem (and solution!)
11:19
<markit>
or go on the client, open some programs and see if in the server you can see such processes
11:20
<bakyt>
markit, ltsp-cluster-info is just showing ip and other general info
11:21
markit, man, if I got LibreOffice installed on chroot it means that it's fat client right? :D
11:21
markit, if it were installed on server. then it would be thin client right ? (as calculations would be made on server side only)
11:22
<markit>
bakyt: yep, very probably
11:22
<bakyt>
markit, so my server os is: Ubuntu server edition with no desktops installed
11:22
markit, so it means that I have FAT CLIENT
11:22
<markit>
YES
11:22
<bakyt>
markit, ok. now it makes sense.
11:23
<markit>
ltsp-build-client should produce a thin chroot by default
11:23
<bakyt>
markit, yes, when I first tried to login it was showing a command prompt (shell)
11:23
<markit>
maybe the default is different in 12.10?
11:24
<bakyt>
markit, no no it makes sense. I installed lubuntu-desktop on chroot and NOT on server side
11:24
markit, so it 100% fat client then.
11:24
<markit>
in any case, run libreoffice from the client and with # ps axu see if the process is there
11:24
if not, you are sure on FAT
11:24
<bakyt>
markit, no process on server (of course)
11:24
markit, I am FAT (OMG)
11:24
:D
11:24
thanks man
11:24
<markit>
you are welcome
11:25
at least it has a rational explaination ;P
11:25
no format c: needed ;P
11:26
<bakyt>
markit, I think fat clients rules...more reliable and less problems to my mind. the only thing is you need to get better devices that's it
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<FrozenZia>
Question about LTSP-PNP... If I have some instructions about "normal" ltsp which say to install something in /opt/l
12:06
tsp/i386/usr/local/bin/...
12:06
but I'm using Ltsp-pnp -- then I'm thinking I just install said file into /usr/local/bin, isn't that right?
12:07
(and then create a new client image with ltsp-update-image)
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<alkisg>
FrozenZia: right
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ltsp-update-image -c /
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<FrozenZia>
...and if I make changes to lts.conf, does that also require a ltsp-update-image?
13:44
I was thinking that not.
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<FrozenZia>
Question becomes, can I use RCFILE-parameters in my lts.conf with ltsp-pnp?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<mgariepy>
good morning sbalneav
15:28
how are you?
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<jammcq>
hello friends
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<jammcq>
hey ogra_
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