IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 June 2011   (all times are UTC)

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05:39
<NeonLicht>
Hos is /srv/tftp/ populated during the LTSP installation, please? I can't find it in the docs.
05:39
s/Hos/How/
05:41
<Appiah>
populated?
05:41
/srv/tftp? what distribution are you running?
05:41
<NeonLicht>
Yes. How are the LTSP files end up being there?
05:41
<Appiah>
suse? centos? fedora?
05:41
<NeonLicht>
I run Debian Squeeze.
05:41
None of those. I run Debian Squeeze.
05:41
<Appiah>
well I never used debian for ltsp
05:42
are you looking for the tftp files?
05:42
<alkisg>
ltsp-update-kernels copies the kernels from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot to your tftp dirs
05:42
Previously debian had /var/lib/tftpboot
05:42
<NeonLicht>
Thank you, alkisg!
05:42
<alkisg>
Now according to FHS they're switching to /srv/tftp
05:42
<NeonLicht>
Yes, but now it has moved it to /srv/tftp/ and tftpd-ha
05:42
<alkisg>
Both work for ltsp
05:43
You can use either /srv/tftp or /var/lib/tftpboot or even both of them
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05:43
<alkisg>
ltsp-update-kernels will copy the kernels to any of those 2 dirs, if it finds them
05:43
<NeonLicht>
Perfect, alkisg, update-kernels has populated it! Thank you! :)
05:43
<alkisg>
You're welcome
05:44
<NeonLicht>
I'm on a different place, alkisg, solving different problems, hehe.
05:44
<alkisg>
Hehe
05:44
<NeonLicht>
And finally, after update-kernel the clients are booting :)
05:46
I was looking for the way to put them there, Appiah.
05:46
<Appiah>
ok
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<TheMatrix3000>
hey guys
05:57
<NeonLicht>
Well, today you've saved my live again, alkisg. Thank you! :D
05:58
I can go for lunch now, hehe.
05:58
<alkisg>
Hehe, bb
05:58
<NeonLicht>
Hi, TheMatrix3000.
05:58
And bye for now, I'm hungry! :)
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06:55
<Gnoze5>
alkisg , yellow!
06:56
<alkisg>
Green :
06:56
:)
06:56
<Gnoze5>
err we have a client that has a web app that only runs on ie
06:56
annoying
06:56
<TheMatrix3000>
ahahahah
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07:18
<Gnoze5>
wine client side on ltsp..
07:18
err
07:18
what a horrible solution
07:19
<Appiah>
and it works fine on non-ltsp? :)
07:19
I bet it's the wine/ie that causing the problem
07:19
<TheMatrix3000>
do you have a windows terminal server
07:19
look at ltsp-cluster site they did something like pushing ms office to the ltsp clients
07:20
<Gnoze5>
I have already managed to get windows ts working with ltsp no problem
07:20
the issue here is licensing
07:20
Appiah i was not complaining about ltsp i was stating that having wine on the client side is a bad solution
07:21
but one that im resorting too
07:21
*to
07:21
<Appiah>
what kind of web app is it?
07:21
something using activex?
07:21
<Gnoze5>
something in asp.net
07:21
and it simply wont run on other browsers
07:21
we tried everything
07:23
<Appiah>
Is it a somewhat recent application or something old?
07:23
<Gnoze5>
its not that old
07:23
the company who developed it actually have a lot of other web apps that work fine with other browsers
07:24
<Appiah>
ouch :)
07:24
<Gnoze5>
its like they hired some stupid MS poisoned college kid to try and develop the worst possible web app
07:24
<Appiah>
long time since I used IE on wine.. what version of IE can you get in without problems?
07:25
<muppis>
Appiah, I think 6 is newest one without problems.
07:25
<Appiah>
hmm and the rest of the versions you will have to hope on winetricks...
07:25
<muppis>
Or less problems than newers.
07:26
<Gnoze5>
im running ie6
07:26
with an old version of wine
07:26
on 10.04
07:26
wine 0.9.59
07:26
i tried a few
07:26
apparently starting one wine 0.9.2 ie and winserver suck out the life of the cpu and mem
07:26
and i can confirm that
07:26
it works
07:27
everything works
07:27
but every single bit of the resources is abused
07:27
i tried using an earlier wine version but dependecies go bust
07:27
this yet another legacy that i promise ill document
07:29
<Appiah>
you could try git wine
07:29
gitwine or atleast a more recent version
07:29
1.2.3 is stable
07:29
1.3.22 dev version
07:31
(only know from playing games in wine) but 1.3.x kicksass compared to 1.2.x and older version
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07:58
<fossala>
If I used mpd on ltsp would it play on all clients?
08:04
Just check and it plays on the server and no clients.
08:13
<sunscreen>
hey, just stumbling around ftp.hp.com and found this ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/thinclient/
08:13
any one know what it is.. looks more like a fat client to me
08:14
but then hp are a bunch of fucking retarded monkeys that smashed over the head repeatedly by there primate mothers
08:14
<mgariepy>
it's probably the os running on their thin client
08:15
<sunscreen>
as you can see i am in bad mood with hp today .. ;)
08:15
<mgariepy>
how come ?
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08:16
<sunscreen>
cant get any software in a competent fashion for this machines recovery partition
08:16
<mgariepy>
sunscreen, i have some t5745 and they work great with ltsp
08:17
<fossala>
sunscreen, Ive got a t5730 that works perfectly
08:17
<sunscreen>
yea i did boot this one on ltsp it worked very well.. its DC5700 microtower
08:17
but it needs to go back to factory for the customer
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08:26
<fossala>
Is there a way of checking how much ram/cpu a thin client is using?
08:27
obviously top/htop shows the servers.
08:29
<Gnoze5>
htop as local app
08:30
<alkisg>
i.e.: ltsp-localapps xterm => top inside that xterm
08:30
<Gnoze5>
fossala alkisg always gives the best explanations...
08:31
<fossala>
ahh thanks
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08:40
<TheMatrix3000>
yep
08:40
alkisg, takes something complicated, and just plain out puts it as simple as it can be
08:40
<fossala>
alkisg, are you a ltsp dev?
08:50
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: haha thanks, I think that's the best compliment I got as a teacher. fossala: let's say junior dev, nowadays I help more in IRC than in actual code.
08:51
<TheMatrix3000>
well, alkisg, helping on IRC is extremely valuable to the community, expecially in the open source community where your knowledge can be shared, and shared and so on
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<tl1000s77>
Can I make my ltsp clients authenticate without ssh?
09:03
<alkisg>
Not without modifying the LDM source code. How would you authenticate?
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09:19
<tl1000s77>
against active directory
09:21
<alkisg>
That would happen on the server, not on the clients
09:21
E.g. install likewise on the server, and then the clients would be able to login to their ltsp server using their normal ssh method
09:22
<Gnoze5>
i did it
09:22
finally
09:22
god
09:22
argh
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09:47
<pedronveloso>
if I was to install wine as a local app, where should I place the wine prefix?
09:47
<alkisg>
The wine prefix would be the same either as a local app or not
09:48
I.e. $HOME/.wine in both cases
09:48
So you wouldn't need to modify it
09:48
<Gnoze5>
alkisg lets say he wants to run ie as a local app
09:48
where should the prefix be?
09:48
<alkisg>
In $HOME/.wine
09:49
<Gnoze5>
not in the chroot?
09:49
<alkisg>
Wine would be installed in the chroot, not IE
09:49
IE is installed in the user home dir in any case
09:49
Programs in wine get installed in the user dir
09:49
<Gnoze5>
what happens when he runs IE?
09:49
<alkisg>
The local wine runs IE from the user home
09:49
<Gnoze5>
but the home is on the server
09:50
isnt that bad practice?
09:50
<alkisg>
Localapps access $HOME with sshfs by default
09:50
Why bad practice? That's how localapps work
09:50
<Gnoze5>
ok
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09:50
<Gnoze5>
because in this case we are talking about binaries
09:51
i mean firefox is installed as a local app in cheroot and the bins are on the local image
09:51
the only thing that is fetched via the sshfs is the user settings
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09:51
<alkisg>
I don't get the problem. Sshfs is much more secure than nfs/nbd, so binaries under ~/.wine would be safer than a local firefox served with nfs/nbd
09:52
<Gnoze5>
security is not my concern here
09:52
the binaries will be constantly flying over the network
09:52
when they could be locally
09:52
<alkisg>
There's no local disk
09:52
<Gnoze5>
or are they just passed once?
09:52
but theres local memory
09:52
<alkisg>
Either with nbd or nfs or sshfs, they'll go over the network
09:53
<Gnoze5>
is but they go once over the network
09:54
<alkisg>
I still don't get the question/problem. You're saying that nbd/nfs behave differently from sshfs wrt disk caching?
09:56
<Gnoze5>
im not stating anything im trying to understand :)
09:57
<alkisg>
Wine needs to read the binaries
09:57
It can either read them 'locally' from the 'chroot' with nbd/nfs, or 'remotely' with sshfs
09:58
Not much difference there
09:58
But the main problem is that the wine "binaries" like IE are per-user
09:59
So you can't really put them in the chroot, they're like user settings
09:59
A small exception is portableapps which do not require installation
09:59
You can put those anywhere (either in the chroot or on the server), and just make symlinks if needed
10:00
The wine prefix should *still* be left untouched
10:00
In order for the user settings to be per user/private
10:01
<Gnoze5>
i want all the ies for example to work the same way
10:02
if i use the home i have to have a prefix per each user
10:06
<alkisg>
You mean that you want all users to have the same wine settings?
10:06
All of them to have read/write access to the same dir?
10:06
<Gnoze5>
thats something i would like tol avoid
10:06
<alkisg>
Aside from file sharing and path problems, what if a person put a virus there?
10:07
Right, that's why the wine prefix should be different per user
10:07
<Gnoze5>
thats why my first thought was, why not have the prefix on the local image
10:07
that way on boot its passed to the user
10:07
and thats that
10:07
if they change it they change it
10:07
<alkisg>
The user doesn't have write access to the local image
10:07
<sunscreen>
heheh it take a little while for the penny to drop with ltsp-localapps
10:08
<Gnoze5>
does he need write access to run ie?
10:08
<alkisg>
Not sure, try it: chown -R root:root .wine
10:08
<Gnoze5>
well if wine is installed as a local app an it works
10:08
it shouldnt need read access
10:11
*write
10:11
sorrt
10:11
*sorry
10:11
lol
10:11
<sunscreen>
mgariepy, fossala ..i discovered some options in a unlikely bios menu.. advanced -> power on options (at a glance you think power management options) .. they had the f11 boot option and recovery mode set to non visible/disabled.. ah well Hp escaped my hammer there to live another day :)
10:11
<Gnoze5>
sunscreen youre the guy with the problem with the hp mthin client?
10:11
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: Normally wine needs write access to the wine prefix, like windows needs write access to C:\Documents and settings\user. E.g. to store registry settings under HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
10:12
<Gnoze5>
alkisg with that I agree
10:12
hm .
10:12
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: there are 2 ways to do something similar to what you're thinking:
10:13
<sunscreen>
i dont have a ltsp problem with it i just mentioned it to mgariepy that i tested it under ltsp and it worked well :) i was having ot beef with accessing the recovery manager/partition which had me on a while goose chase trying to find the software to create the hp recovery disc
10:13
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: 1) copy ~/.wine to the user home dir from some master dir on each user logon (or when he runs wine), or
10:13
<Gnoze5>
alkisg im listening
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10:14
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: 2) to make a hack and have system.reg and drive_c/windows and drive_c/program files etc symlinks to a read only folder, and leave the rest in the user dir
10:14
<pedronveloso>
alkisg, like the script in here? http://bootpolish.net/home_howto_installies4linuxonltsp
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10:14
<alkisg>
That's like "faking" a real windows installation where the user has write access to some parts, but not everywhere
10:14
<Gnoze5>
hm
10:14
point 2 makes sense
10:15
<pedronveloso>
point 2 would be this one right? http://bootpolish.net/home_howto_installwineonltsp
10:15
<Gnoze5>
pedronveloso you mean the script at the end?
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10:15
<Gnoze5>
(we are in the same room but for discussions purposes...)
10:16
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: something like step 6 there, yes
10:16
But it's more difficult to maintain it than it sounds
10:16
<Gnoze5>
hm
10:16
<sunscreen>
next thing i want to do is change the boot splash
10:16
for ltsp
10:17
<Gnoze5>
sunscreen you can change ldm theme
10:17
<pedronveloso>
alkisg, no, it actually sounds a lot complicated to maintain :P
10:17
<alkisg>
Hehe
10:17
<Gnoze5>
sunscreen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange
10:17
<sunscreen>
yeah. except our users never see ldm they just cut straight to rdesktop
10:17
<alkisg>
Indeed, wine isn't easy for multi-user installations
10:18
<Gnoze5>
oh
10:18* alkisg once thought to make another package based on wine that would emulate "point 2" better
10:18
<Gnoze5>
alkisg should have done that package lol
10:18
<alkisg>
Then I just stopped using windows apps in my classrooms :D
10:18
<Gnoze5>
we actually want to limit IE to a specific site
10:18
<alkisg>
(at least non-portableapps)
10:19
<Gnoze5>
for other normal browsing we want users to use firefox of course
10:20
im so sick of the MS lock-in police
10:21
alkisg thanks btw...
10:21
<alkisg>
np
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10:31
<sunscreen>
hm
10:31
is usplash/xsplash part of ltsp?
10:34
# apt-cache search usplash
10:34
startupmanager - Grub, Usplash and Splash screen configuration
10:34
<-- that safe to install in the chroot
10:35
<Gadi>
sunscreen: if you are using ubuntu, they use plymouth
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<sunscreen>
kk
10:44
debian here Gadi, its available as a package
10:46
<tl1000s77>
If I wanted to run a script when logging into a thinclient, where would I put that script?
10:47
<alkisg>
One place is /etc/xdg/autostart on the server. It's not LTSP specific.
10:47
<tl1000s77>
Great. So anyone logging into a thinclient would launch that script upon login?
10:48
<alkisg>
Anyone logging into a thin client *or even* on a graphical session on the server
10:49
<tl1000s77>
none of the files in the autostart folder are executable
10:49
<alkisg>
They don't need to be, the xdg spec says they're supposed to be .desktop files
10:50
<tl1000s77>
Okay, where would I put a bash script to run on login?
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<abeehc>
bam
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<abeehc>
that's where my mount script is too
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<alkisg>
tl1000s77: bash scripts can be called from desktop files
12:32
Just look at an existing desktop file there, and see the "exec" line
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12:39
<TheMatrix3000>
can i remove gnome-screensaver
12:39
from an ltsp server without any issue
12:40
<abeehc>
i just removed the execute bit from the binary and switched to xscreensaver
12:40
and this gconftool-2 --type boolean -s /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/screensaver/start_screensaver false
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12:56
<sunscreen>
ooo!! i want raid at home now ;(
12:56
<abeehc>
how do you go without?!
12:56
<sunscreen>
slowly
12:57
<abeehc>
haha
12:57
i don't use it for speed, anywhere
12:57
fault tolerance is a little more important; and get ssd for speed i'd think
12:57
<TheMatrix3000>
how do i customize the user bars for everyone
12:58
<abeehc>
TheMatrix3000: gnome?
12:58
<TheMatrix3000>
i have SSD drives on my computer
12:58
yea
12:58
under gnome
12:58
on ltsp
12:58
i need to remove the fastuserswitch panel for everyone
12:58
and push out the user logout icon to everyone
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<sunscreen>
ah yea its just a convenient side effect of modern raid i suppose. performance drives raid 1 @ sata 3 is going be better then sata2 entry level drives
12:58
non raidy
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<abeehc>
TheMatrix3000: i never had a lot of fun with that, but this does work http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-8.html.en#gconf-14
12:59
<sunscreen>
uh oh
12:59
that cant be good
12:59
Failed to read file /opt/ltsp/i386/sys/power/state, creating empty file
12:59
[==========/ ] 4226/38523 10%
12:59
Failed to read file /opt/ltsp/i386/sys/power/wakeup_count, creating empty file
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<TheMatrix3000>
what happend
12:59
eek
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<TheMatrix3000>
is there a separate chat for ltsp-cluster
13:03
how do I modify the panels for all ltsp users, i need to remove the fastuserswitch panel and put the logout icon in there
13:04
<abeehc>
http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-8.html.en#gconf-14
13:18
<tl1000s77>
does anyone know how I can setup a shell script to run on logout?
13:19
<HeMan>
when I try to update my chroot I get "invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "reload" failed.", can that be solved in any easy way?
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<HeMan>
I'm running Ubuntu 11.04
13:22
<alkisg>
Did you try setting LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false?
13:25
<HeMan>
ah! no, missed that
13:26
<alkisg>
Also try mounting /proc in the chroot, it helps sometimes
13:26
There should be an /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot available in natty, you can also use that
13:29
<TheMatrix3000>
Ok, still can't figure out why the "User Switcher" Panel applet crashes on LDAP users but doesn't on local users when logging into LTSP
13:29
<HeMan>
ltsp-chroot is there!
13:32
now it complained that some of the kernel modules weren't there becaus I run -server- kernel on the server and -generic- on the clients
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<TheMatrix3000>
abeehc, i don't understand how that would change the ltsp side of things
13:41
would i have to edit the image being distributed, or just the ltsp server itself
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<abeehc>
assuming you are doing thin clients, only on the server
13:44
fatclients chroot is different I'd imagine
13:48
<tl1000s77>
How can I run a shell script when a user logs off of a thin client?
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<TheMatrix3000>
abeehc,
13:53
the reason why I ask
13:53
is that for some reason fast_user_switch panel crashes on certain users
13:53
but not on all
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<Gadi>
TheMatrix3000: try: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --set --type list --list-type string /apps/panel/global/disabled_applets "[OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet]"
14:03
<sunscreen>
nearly got plymouth working
14:03
ltsp complained it could not start it though.. but if i do plymouthd plymouth --show-splash it works :D
14:15
hmmm
14:15
that init.d script on plymouth seems doge
14:17
<Gadi>
sunscreen: it is usually started in the initramfs, I believe
14:17
have you updated the initramfs and done ltsp-update-kernels?
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<sunscreen>
i did update-initramfs -u from chroot
14:18
<Gadi>
you still need an: ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot
14:18
so, it updates the initramfs served to the client
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<sunscreen>
oki done
14:19
let me try
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<TheMatrix3000>
ah i think i just found magic
14:24
lol
14:24
so i need sudo apt-get install gconf-editor
14:24
and i can set up network proxy though ltsp
14:24
so that users will have to authenticate to a proxy to browse the internet
14:27
<sunscreen>
TheMatrix3000, i am searching for a solution that will allow me authenticate a user to web interface in order to add there ip to firewall to allow access for rdesktop
14:28
<TheMatrix3000>
that would be more difficult than i can comprehend
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<sunscreen>
yep i think i will have to design such a system my self its trivial really hard part will be allowing firewall modifications by php but then there is probably a php lib for that
14:33
or a module
14:33
i am just too lazy.. lol more concerned with my precious splash screen har har
14:34
who cares if it works it must look shinny :)
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<TheMatrix3000>
lol
14:34
i made my login screen pretty
14:34
did it on a bored weekend
14:35
ok, on ltsp, when I use the "User Profile Editor" and modify a panel, I try to save it and it crashes
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<TheMatrix30001>
anyone have any advice for that?
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<sunscreen>
try run it with strace/gdb
14:43
i don't know if they are installed
14:44
<TheMatrix30001>
what does that mean?
14:44
what is the command
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<sunscreen>
man ptrace and strace
14:44
man gdb
14:46
I cant get ldm up for some reason today
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<TheMatrix3000>
ah
14:56
if i edit something in gconf-editor it will work right
14:56
instead of editing the key's manually
15:16
ah, but then how are users by default getting the applet
15:16
ok, time to go to ubuntu chat huh
15:20
<sunscreen>
ahh
15:20
sun of a gun
15:20
Gadi, when i did ltsp-update-kernels
15:21
it reverted my setup as if its on nbd when i am using nfs i guess it has ---nfs option and --nbd option
15:22
hm no
15:22
wtf
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Restarting Network Block Device server: Stopping Network Block Device server: nbd-server.
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** Message: No configured exports; quitting.
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nbd-server.
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ok
15:41
that broke it
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<vagrantc>
sunscreen: typically, it doesn't use the nbd-server stuff from the nbd-server package, but uses an entry in /etc/inetd.conf
15:42
sunscreen: and yes, manual edits to pxelinux.cfg/default will be overwritten when running ltsp-update-kernels
15:42
there are ways to configure it to get it to add the changes you want
15:42
but not well documented
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<sunscreen>
if you even mention the nbdport in there it will attempt to boot from nbd rather then nfs right?
15:44
append ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.77:/opt/ltsp/i386
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<vagrantc>
sunscreen: you need boot=nfs
15:45
if you want nfs root
15:45
it hard-codes boot=ltsp_nbd unfortunately.
15:47
<sunscreen>
aah ok tnx for clearing that up, so does it need the ip address or does it know by the fact its connected to the server some how
15:57
CUmmon ltsp-update-image !!
15:57* sunscreen prods it along with a sharped pencil
15:57
<sunscreen>
complaining about its unreadable files in /sys/ :)
15:58
pfft
16:00* sunscreen cp default default.bak
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<Gadi>
sunscreen: if you run nfs, do not use ltsp-update-image
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<sunscreen>
er doh.. yeah alkisg already told me that before, i got confused which one needed it .. but why, is it bad?
16:04
<Gadi>
it assumes you want nbd
16:04
and modifies stuff for nbd
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<sunscreen>
stuff being boot options ..
16:05
or worst?
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<Gadi>
yeah, boot options
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<sunscreen>
kk
16:09
intel 830 driver cant support 32 bits
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how pathetic
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<Gnoze5>
what?
16:10
is that really true?
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<sunscreen>
its what Xorg.7.log just told me
16:10
i had X_COLOR_DEPTH=32
16:11* sunscreen trys 24
16:11
<Gnoze5>
whats the max it supports?
16:11
<sunscreen>
ah you just reminded me i need to run hwinfo
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<sunscreen2>
yay
16:19
SubVendor: "Intel(r)Broadwater-G Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS"
16:19
SubDevice:
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highest resolution 24bit
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Mode 0x035a: 1600x1200 (+6400), 24 bit
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<sunscreen2>
i guess developing ltsp is easier for you guy under nfs
16:27
cause you dont have to keep rebuilding the image
16:29
brb
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<sunscreen2>
sweetness on a stick ;)
16:31
now in 1024x768 @ 24bit ;x
16:32
and plymouth worked well
16:32
i think the only remaining thing on the snagging list is the window manager is using compositing and drawing the icons/panels background black rather then transparent
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<sunscreen2>
TheMatrix3000, 3000 matrix's later and neo is still trying to master cmd.exe to fight the machines
16:38
bit like me with ltsp :D
16:40
ltsp reminds me of a over the netowork lfs kinda
16:41
i know its probably nothing like it but... it is just with out the tool chain aspect because the package manager is there
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<sunscreen2>
hmm
16:53
just seems to affect openbox
16:53
ah no
16:53
hmmm
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<Gnoze5>
hmm net split
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<sunscreen2>
woot
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<sunscreen2>
somethings screwy, now in openbox session .. no transparency issue
17:17
ah no it is
17:17
except now its white instead of black
17:24* sunscreen2 updates gtk
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<sunscreen2>
interesting installing gnome-dev triggere 501mb of related lib upgrades
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<sunscreen2>
http://img690.imageshack.us/i/ballsx.png/
18:35
freaking intel
18:35
pissing me off now
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<sunscreen2>
ok i have a very effective work around for intel users struck by the regression in Xorg 2.15.. real fing simple
20:13
apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
20:13
reboot
20:13
not sure what gets used in its place but it works perfectly
20:13
probably xorg-video-vesa
20:14
andwhen your talking about gpu with 8mb of ram .. does even actually mater any way lol
20:15
if the glove fits wear it on that one, i say ;)
20:17
all that run around now made me bloat up my thin clients fs with unescesary bull crap.. the intel devs can have the accolade of wally's of the year for that one
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<alkisg>
Would anyone object if I committed a SCREEN_07=xterm screen script to be used mainly for troubleshooting?
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<muppis>
If it works, why should?
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<cyberorg>
alkisg, there already is LDM_DEBUG_TERMINAL
22:49
<alkisg>
cyberorg: that's after ldm logon
22:50
So people using e.g. only rdesktop can't troubleshoot xrandr problems
22:50
(of course they could, but not as easily as specifying an xterm screen script)
22:51
<cyberorg>
alkisg, ok, it would be nice to get xterm along with ldm before login too
22:52
<alkisg>
There's no window manager at ldm so there's a chance the user won't be able to logon then, if xterm gets over the username entry field
22:52
Also it's possible that someone doesn't have ldm at all (like in the rdesktop case)
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<cyberorg>
or custom keybinding that brings up local xterm from anywhere, X/LDM/logged in session?
22:56
<alkisg>
I don't know how to program X keybindings (I know about gnome keybindings, but those aren't suitable)... but even so, the sysadmin would again have to declare that keybinding in lts.conf, otherwise it would be a security issue
22:57
So if it's only for troubleshooting, and one does have to change his lts.conf, why not make it a separate screen script?
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