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Channel log from 1 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

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02:28
<pentest>
Host OS Xubuntu 13.04 is the LTSP server. 1 wifi card connected to Internet. I have got wlan0 (addr:192.168.1.2) and virbr0 (addr:192.168.122.1). Thin Client Guest OS installed in Virtual Box. Is it possible to have Thin Client boot-up with this LTSP server plz using virbr0? Note I have 1 physical NIC and 1 virtual NIC.
02:31
<vagrantc>
should be.
02:33
<pentest>
thanks.. I think you answered before.. appreciate this.. a pointer will be helpful..
02:33
so what so I need to do to make virbr0 to run the dhcp server and how to choose this interface for the thinclient os
02:34
<vagrantc>
you'd just need to configure your server to be on virbr0, and dhcp to list on that range, and hand out the appropriate information (see /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf)
02:34
and then configure the client to network boot
02:35
the physical nic and virtual nics shouldn't matter, if you really just want to boot the virtual thin client
02:35
<pentest>
ok get that...
02:36
so you saying I do not need to point the thin client to use virbr0 interface
02:36
<vagrantc>
depends on how you have your networking configured...
02:36
your client and server need to share a network, and have the dhcp configuration on that network
02:37
<pentest>
yes indeed.. let me try couple of things first.. I will come back here..
02:37
<vagrantc>
i don't know what the default networking you have for your virtualbox thin client, but it shouldn't be hard to put that on virbr0 as well as your server
02:37
you might have to disable virtualbox's built-in dhcp server
02:38
<pentest>
right.. let me do this one by one..thanks
02:39* vagrantc uses libvirt instead of virtualbox these days
02:39* bennabiy nods
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<pentest>
I am just trying it out...
02:40
when you say libvirt..you mean KVM!!!!
02:41
<bennabiy>
heh
03:52
What is the packaging for ldm in ubuntu?
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07:31
<pentest>
guys I am stuck.. please help..here is the details
07:31
Host OS Xubuntu 13.04 is the LTSP server. 1 wifi card connected to Internet. I have got wlan0 (addr:192.168.1.2) and virbr0 (addr:192.168.122.1). Thin Client Guest OS installed in Virtual Box. dhcpd.conf edited with these values:
07:31
authoritative;
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subnet 192.168.122.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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range 192.168.122.20 192.168.122.250;
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option domain-name "example.com";
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option domain-name-servers 192.168.122.1;
07:31
option broadcast-address 192.168.122.255;
07:32
option routers 192.168.122.1;
07:32
Thin client virtual network is this: Attached to: Bridged Adapter, Name: virbr0.
07:32
When booting up says searching for server ip (DHCP)....No IP.No IP.No IP.
07:39
<Hyperbyte>
pentest, are you sure the virtual machine has network access?
07:40
Try booting some live Linux in the virtual machine and ping your dhcp server, also manually request a dhcp lease
07:40
<pentest>
oh for got to mention that I disabled the virtualbox dhcp server
07:41
<vagrantc>
is your ltsp server on virbr0 ?
07:41
<pentest>
good point ..let me check
07:41
should be .. the dhcpd.conf
07:41
<vagrantc>
and have you restarted dhcp since getting your server on virbr0?
07:42
<pentest>
jsut booted up the whole damn thing now..
07:42
<vagrantc>
pentest: what are the other options for networking the thin client?
07:43
pentest: i.e. Bridged Adapter vs. what?
07:43
<pentest>
one sec mate
07:43
I think I found the error...
07:44
just now booted up lubuntu in virtual box..bridged to virbr0
07:44
did not get any ip for eth0 in lubuntu
07:44
<vagrantc>
can you ping 192.168.122.1 ?
07:45
ah, yeah, no dhcp...
07:45
<pentest>
pentest@lubuntuclient:~$ ping 192.168.122.1
07:45
connect: Network is unreachable
07:45
so no
07:45
so this is the issue obviously
07:46
<vagrantc>
i know virtualbox and libvirt both use a type of network connectivity that doesn't allow access to the server itself, but allows access to the rest of the network, paradoxically
07:46
in libvirt, i think it's called macvtap ...
07:47
pentest: on the server: sudo brctl show virbr0
07:47
<pentest>
so when you say libvirt..you mean kvm right
07:47
<vagrantc>
no, libvirt works with multiple backends
07:48
<pentest>
bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces
07:48
virbr0 8000.000000000000 yes
07:48
<vagrantc>
including virtualbox even, it seems
07:48
<pentest>
okay
07:48
<vagrantc>
pentest: the thin client is booted?
07:49
because it looks like you have no interfaces on your switch
07:49
<pentest>
that is the quetion.. how can I boot up the thin client
07:50
the whole thing is in my laptop
07:50
<vagrantc>
pentest: i mean, is a virtual machine running that is connected to virbr0 ?
07:50
at least, in theory connected ...
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<pentest>
sorry mate.. I only start virtual box when I need to boot a machine,,
07:50
<vagrantc>
pentest: it should show devices under the interfaces column
07:51
well, it's awfully hard to troubleshoot your problem if you can't even try things :P
07:51
<pentest>
I am sure you read the big description that I put in at the beginning of this post..
07:51
<vagrantc>
anyways, i should sleep
07:51
<pentest>
thanks anway mate..
07:51
please
07:51
later
07:53
<vagrantc>
pentest: basically, boot a machine that's supposedly connected to virbr0, and see if an interface then shows up when you "brctl show virbr0"
07:53
pentest: also, check /var/log/syslog to see if it has any mention of the 192.168.122 network ... such as "network not available" or something
07:53
those are my parting suggestions...
07:53
<pentest>
but that 's exactly what I just dif..
07:54
thanks mate..
07:54
good night ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
07:55
<vagrantc>
if no interface shows up, then virtualbox isn't connecting your virtual machine to virbr0 ... unless it's using something like macvtap, which won't allow you access to the server.
07:55
which would explain it.
07:55* vagrantc waves
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<pentest>
it seems like..
07:59
so the I need to see how I can get connected to virbr0
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<Bejoy>
Can anyone suggest a windows remote desktop client that will connect to a Linux server ?
10:25
<Mava>
Bejoy: what are you searching at in the first case
10:25
<Bejoy>
Is LTSP intented for this ?
10:26
<Mava>
or.. what is the main goal? To connect to linux graphical desktop ?
10:27
<Bejoy>
Hi Mav, I have a linux server. I need to run applications on this server from a windows desktop.
10:27
<Mava>
aa
10:27
does your linux server run graphical desktop environment such as gnome ?
10:27
<Bejoy>
Yes.
10:27
It has gnome
10:27
<Mava>
k
10:28
<Bejoy>
Please understand that I am new to Linux and only has a basic understanding
10:28
<Mava>
two choices: use SSH to connect to the server, or install xrdp server to the linux server, xrdp is a "remote desktop protocol" daemon
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<Mava>
and after installing xrdp, you can connect to the server using remote desktop client in windows to connect the machine
10:29
<Bejoy>
If I install xrdp on the server, what corresponding client do I need to have on the windows desktop?
10:30
<Mava>
mstsc == remote desktop client =)
10:30
<Bejoy>
Do you mean I cann connect with windows remote desktop client itself ?
10:30
<Mava>
yes
10:30
<Bejoy>
Ok
10:30
<Mava>
but remember not to do the connections through the Internet
10:31
I have not examined how secure the connection is, so I really cant guarantee it is safe to run through internet
10:31
<Bejoy>
I have the server on the cloud, in this case what options do I have...
10:31
<Mava>
SSH
10:31
<Bejoy>
Ok
10:32
Thanks a lot Mava :-) Really appreciate the help.
10:32
<Mava>
any time, enjoy =)
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<willianmazzardo>
work_alkisg, hi … im trying to do what you said to me .. to umount /home and other stuff .. but /home is BUSY :S
12:21
i cant umount
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<gvy>
willianmazzardo, lsof | grep /home
12:37
<willianmazzardo>
gvy, ok ;) found it ;D
12:37
thanks
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<gvy>
YW :)
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<d[o_-]b>
alkisg: Any luck on getting that script back?
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<alkisg>
d{-_o}b_bennabiy: sorry, busy, that's why I said "after 2 days" :)
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<acesabe>
anyone got recommendation for 5 seat fat client ltsp server minimum specs?
13:31
and fat client ram minimums?
13:31
<alkisg>
server: anything that is newer than 5 years
13:31
clients: see your distro specs
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<acesabe>
ok
13:31
<alkisg>
server <=> switch: gigabit connection preferred
13:31
<acesabe>
yeah
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<alkisg>
(or, local copy of the nbd image)
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<acesabe>
probably go for that
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<bennabiy>
alkisg: sorry :) I was getting excited as I figured out the order to install the artwork and mint packages to get mint set up nicely
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<bennabiy>
I made a custom ldm-server package on my ppa, but what does it take to make the theme I put in there available as the default in my client? I set lts.conf LDM_THEME=<name>
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
If i added a theme to my ldm package, why is it not making it to my client?
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<acesabe>
I seem to remember having to overwrite the default .conf file in order to use custom theme/background
14:50
iirc
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
but it didn't even make it into the client image, let alone not being the default.
14:51
chroot I mean
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<edwin_>
good morning everyone
15:07
question
15:07
I have a thin client T5720
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when it's about to get to the part of login it keeps blinking
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it's like something with the graphic is not working
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anyone?
15:09
maybe something is lts.conf that I don't know
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<edwin_>
anyone?
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<acesabe>
check your logs during boot
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<bennabiy>
!SCREEN_02
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<ltsp`>
SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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<bennabiy>
what distribution are you using edwin_
15:14
?
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<edwin_>
sorry
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I went away
15:21
ubuntu 12.10
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is my distro
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<||cw>
that's weird, why's 12.10 EOL later than 13.04?
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<||cw>
edwin_: did that client used to work, is it a new one for you?
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<bennabiy>
Edwin_ can you post logs through pastebin? Does the client go through the normal steps, but not come to the LDM window?
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<slackish>
||cw: canonical changed their policy of how long normal ubuntu releases would be supported. that policy changed happened after 12.10 and before 13.04
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s/happened//
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<bennabiy>
slackish: Are you familiar with the ltsp-build-client process?
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<slackish>
bennabiy: I've done it. One point in time, I followed through the script. Whats up?
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<edwin_>
sorryyyyyy
15:52
I am back again'
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the system is up tp date
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yes to the steps
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yes to the familiar with build client a little bit
15:54
when it's tme to bring the X I can see the little wheels loading
15:54
and it keeps blinking like every second or two
15:55
I get the to see ubuntu 12.10 with the purple background
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<bennabiy>
slackish: I am building a client from my custom ppa of ltsp and ldm-server package (which contains a custom theme) and that theme is not making it into my client
15:55
basically an ubuntu / linuxmint chroot
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<edwin_>
I am going to test the client right now it has pupyy linux on it
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<bennabiy>
edwin_: you should press escape during that screen and see what it says, or try to drop to a shell
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<edwin_>
one sec
15:56
ok
15:56
<bennabiy>
Are you trying to boot a fat client?
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<acesabe>
bennabiy, sounds like the build script isn't honouring your ppa in the sources.list
15:56
check that if I were you
15:56
<bennabiy>
acesabe: that is what I was thinking
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would it access the sources.list.d ?
15:57
<acesabe>
had this issue with our local apt mirror not being used
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<bennabiy>
or just what is in sources.list?
15:57
<cliebow>
!seen jammcq
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<ltsp`>
jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <jammcq> on thursday?
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<acesabe>
I don't recall the solution
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<bennabiy>
thank you :)
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!bennabiy_todo
16:00
<ltsp`>
Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.
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<slackish>
Well, cool that it is answered. I would not of been much help
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<edwin_>
I just boot the thin client to puppy linux
16:01
all good
16:04* bennabiy scratches his head...
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<bennabiy>
Ubuntu booting a client to puppy linux...
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?
16:05
<edwin_>
no no
16:05
the thin client has puppy in it
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it boots ok
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<bennabiy>
sometimes those hp thin clients need to use somewhat of a fat client approach
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<edwin_>
I mean is that something must be wrong in the ltsp conf that the thin client cannot get to X terminal
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<bennabiy>
I use the st5742s and they are made for pxebooting
16:07
when you see the graphics trying to kick in, CTRL-ALT-F2 to shell and check the logs
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<edwin_>
ok hold on
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<bennabiy>
If you have enabled SCREEN_02 to be shell
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<edwin_>
let me do that right now
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updating image hold on
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<edwin_>
still loading image
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updating sory
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sorry
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<edwin_>
ok
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If I hit ctrl alt f2
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I get to the shell
16:25
if I hit f7 I see the ubuntu 12.10 with the little circles stock at the second
16:26
it has a via rhine network card
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<bennabiy>
so from the shell, check /var/log/syslog to see if anything is funny
16:28
you could pastebin it as well
16:28
!pastebin
16:28
<ltsp`>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
16:29
<edwin_>
ok
16:33
got it go be back later
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18:06
<edwin_>
anyone
18:09
<vagrantc>
!question
18:09
<ltsp`>
question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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<IAFP>
Good afternoon, dear'm not getting start service isc-dhcp-server
18:24
Message: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics
18:25
any tips?
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<||cw>
IAFP: and the syslog says?
18:39
<IAFP>
someone has the configuration file isc-dhcp-server
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<||cw>
IAFP: one should come with your distro's package
18:46
<other_other_joe>
I'd check syslog and see why it's choking
18:54
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: I am just needing to get the detection right on how to test for the three cases, and then it looks like I have most other things in place.
18:55
I tested which packages to install early, and which to do late, and made some adjustments
18:59
<edwin_>
I have a thin client that doesn't display correct
18:59
anyone?
18:59
I have tested this configuration with other equpment and it works fine
18:59
the thin client has uppy linux n it , it works fine too
19:00
If i switch to a shell it works
19:00
the thing is the graphic part
19:02
<alkisg>
edwin_: things to try:
19:02
<edwin_>
hit it
19:02
<alkisg>
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA ==> reports driver in use
19:03
<edwin_>
in server?
19:03
<alkisg>
LDM_SESSION=xterm in lts.conf ==> tests if there are problem with unity, compiz etc,
19:03
no, that one goes in a localxterm on the client
19:03
!localxterm
19:03
<ltsp`>
localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
19:03
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_02
19:03
<ltsp`>
SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
19:03
<alkisg>
Also, XSERVER=vesa might help to get an initial screen working
19:03
(again in lts.conf)
19:04
<bennabiy>
welcome alkisg :)
19:04
<alkisg>
Hey bennabiy, hi all
19:05
<bennabiy>
What time is it over there?
19:05
<edwin_>
ok let me try
19:05
<alkisg>
edwin_: also, when you say "it doesn't display correct", do you mean LDM? Or after login? And, how exactly "not correctly"?
19:05
10:05 pm
19:05
<edwin_>
before login
19:05
it keeps blinking
19:05
like every 1 o 2 second
19:05
<bennabiy>
edwin_ do you ever see the login screen?
19:05
<edwin_>
I get the to see the little wheel spinning
19:05
no
19:06
no with the thin client other computers yes
19:06
<bennabiy>
Did you try to customize your chroot after building it?
19:06
<edwin_>
no
19:06
<alkisg>
You don't have LDM_AUTOLOGIN set in lts.conf, do you?
19:07
/var/log/Xorg.7.log.old on the client will tell you the Xorg errors
19:07
<edwin_>
I have but with another mac
19:07
<alkisg>
Disable LDM_AUTOLOGIN temporarily in case you missed something there
19:07
<bennabiy>
alkisg: do you know if the ltsp-build-client scripts would honor my ppa on the server for grabbing packages?
19:07
<alkisg>
bennabiy: if you specify that in a --mirror parameter, yeah...
19:07
Or with --copy-sources something
19:08* alkisg doesn't ever use ltsp-build-client so he's fuzzy on the details there
19:08
<bennabiy>
ahh, thank you
19:08
I knew there was an option.
19:08
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: you know, mint might actually be done more simply with ltsp-pnp style stuff, the stuff that alkisg uses :)
19:09
<alkisg>
Mint would work out of the box there :)
19:09
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
except I do not use fat clients :)
19:09
<vagrantc>
since it basically builds a fat or thin client out of the running server
19:09
you can still use it for thin clients
19:09
<edwin_>
I just try a edubuntu ltsp and it works
19:09
something wrong in my conf
19:09
hehehehe
19:10
thats good I will be dealing with edubuntu anyway
19:10
thanks all
19:10
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
vagrantc: I guess it might work, but I fail to see the benefit when I am running all thin clients (which I do not need everything on the server taking up space in the clients ram)
19:11
<alkisg>
Fat chroots don't need more ram
19:11
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
alkisg: how does it work then?
19:11
<alkisg>
ltsp-pnp makes it easier to install e.g. properiatery drivers,
19:12
and to use localapps on thin clients...
19:12
A fat image is just bigger than a thin image
19:12
But both images aren't loaded in RAM
19:12
They get read "sector by sector" (NBD) or "file by file" as needed...
19:13
It's possible to have a 10 Gb image, and boot an 128 MB client with it
19:13
...just as it's possible to boot an 128 MB client from a 10 GB local hard disk
19:13
If you had a 10 TB local hard disk, it wouldn't mean it would boot slower...
19:14
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
Hmm. I might need to test it in a virtual situation before going live with it
19:14
This machine would have been a good test, if I didnt have to send it off so soon
19:15
alkisg: I will look into that, but for now I am using standard ltsp
19:15
<alkisg>
Sure
19:15
Whatever suits everyone
19:15
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
!ltsp-pnp
19:15
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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19:20
<alkisg>
!bot
19:20
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'bot', but I do know about these similar topics: 'supybot', 'pastebot'
19:20
<alkisg>
ltsp`: bot
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
!truth
19:23
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'truth', but I do know about these similar topics: 'test', 'tftp'
19:23
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
I thought he had the answers for everything
19:25
perhaps I did not speak loud enough...
19:25* d{-_o}b_bennabiy clears throat
19:25
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
!truth
19:25
<ltsp>
truth: I know many things... but one things stands out. #### alkisg and vagrantc are great! ####
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
alkisg: which seems to run faster in a thinclient? ltsp-pnp or stock ltsp?
19:34
<alkisg>
d{-_o}b_bennabiy: usually it's the same
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<||cw>
I don't know why it would have different performance
20:02
<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
just a question :)
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
hrm. looks like I need to make a custom ldm-theme package
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
alkisg: would the ubuntu packaging overwrite my theme I put in it?
20:14
<alkisg>
dpkg -S /path/to/filename tells you if a file belongs in a package
20:14
If it does, then it will get overwritten in package upgrades
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<d{-_o}b_bennabiy>
I packaged it in my ppa version of ldm
20:31
<other_other_joe>
!epoptes
20:31
<ltsp>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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<bennabiy>
other_other_joe: thank you! I knew there was something else I was forgetting
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<other_other_joe>
haha
20:45
happy to help
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20:52
<other_other_joe>
alkisg, I'm running into this epoptes https://bugs.launchpad.net/epoptes/+bug/977049
20:53
the 'module' object has no attribute error when I try to start epoptes on Debian 7
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<other_other_joe>
I'm running 0.5.6-1 and X11 forwarding though so I'll add to the launchpad
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<other_other_joe>
has anyone used epoptes with X forwarding successfully?
21:00
that is to say, running the epoptes daemon on the LTSP server and ssh -X'ing to the server in order to fire up the GUI?
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<bcdonadio>
When using ltsp-cluster, does the load-balancer receives all packets coming from clients, or it does only says to the thinclient on which server to connect?
21:32
<other_other_joe>
!REMOTE_APPS
21:32
<ltsp>
Error: "REMOTE_APPS" is not a valid command.
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<pentest>
back again to seek some help..
21:39
please see this post guys
21:39
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2178061
21:39
details and pics uploaded here...
21:39
would appreciate a hand
21:40
Virtualbox cannot get connect to virbr0 which was created by libvirt
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