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hi, i have been wondering is it possible with ltsp for the server to be hosted on the internet and the client/s to be elsewhere accessing via DSL?
well there is nothing in "ltsp" for that
someone people use nx for that
Also it'll be *very* slow, because remote X needs a lot of bandwidth
like vnc , remote desktop
i have a problem with local devices
freenx, rdp, vnc etc are better for low bandwidth
that i what i expected might bbe te answer
seems the device not the partition gets mounted when i insert usb
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pixie79, i have used both freenx and x2go, i have a feeling x2go is more developed and going into distros easier.
ok thanks sep, i will have a look at that as well
anyone know where the default debian boot splash image is stored?
and for that matter, which boot splash program is used in lenny?
google has failed me so far
tried a debian channel?
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no, not yet
given that I can't find much about it, I wasn't sure if ltsp did it differently some how
Pod2: do you mean the clients or the server?
Hmm boot splash.. never mind
clients. I've just started using ltsp5 and can't figure out where the boot splash image is
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Can somebody help me trouble shoot my setup? I have two servers (real and vm) and three thin clients (1 vm & 1 real PXE & 1 real with GPXE floppy boot). My results: Server vm->real clients work...real server->vm client works...Real server->real clients doesn't work.
what does not work?
my real server to real clients will not work
When testing using a vm on either the server end or the client end, everything works really well
well what in your "real to real" is not working
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thin clients will not boot
it times out when waiting for dhcp to give an address and then the error message is "Bad media, check your cable"
is the dhcpd running on the server?
how are they connected?
yes...when I hook up the real server directly to my laptop's vm, I succesfully boot via pxe
the server has 2 NIC.
1 facing my LAN and the other directly connecting to the thin client
the dhcp server is using a different subnet
no switch between?
what throws me off is that it works with a vm client but not on real clients
I would do a tcpdump on the server
see if it even gets a DHCP request and such
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ok ... I hate to be such a newb but how do I do that?
I'd use tcpdump
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and/or check dhcpd logs
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what's the preferred way to submit patches? merge requests via launchpad against lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk?
sbalneav ? ^
alincoln: I usually find the best way's patches attached to specific bugs, but that's just me.
alincoln: of course, asking in here always works :)
Appiah I'm downloading wireshark so I can see what's going on
sbalneav: if it's something that's not already filed as a bug, you want it filed then a patch attached?
What's your patch fixing?
--copy-sourceslist doesn't bring over stuff in sources.list.d/
er, i guess i could ask if that's by design. :)
I'd expect it probably should
paste the patch to the pastebin, let's have a looksee.
ok. i figured it was a reasonable first patch for me. will do.
sbalneav: Error: "pastebbot" is not a valid command.
sbalneav: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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damianos_: if you boot a real client with gpxe, and run dhcp net0, and then config, what do you see?
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hang on alkisg...I'm going to hook up the machine that floppy boots
damianos_: you can also put gpxe on grub very easily (I even have a package for this, for Karmic)
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Sorry alkisg I got a read error off the floppy. I'm rewriting it now and I will post back when I try again
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Alkisg: what exactly do I type in? Dhcp net0 + enter?
Damianos__: ctrl+b to get a prompt
then: dhcp net0
if that succeeds, you can see what the dhcp server gave you with: config
ok I did that and it says could not configure timed out
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Can you describe your network topology/
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"1 server there with 2 nics connected to that router and that switch ..."
no...the NIC facing the client is directly connected via ethernet
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pmatulis: any issues with me using the ltsp server as the iscsi server and client?
Damianos__: you have 1 ethernet cable connecting directly your client with your server?
Is that a cross cable?
It's just a cat5 cable
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or I should say just a regular off the shelf ethernet
dro: from a purely hypothetical view, i don't think there is a problem. of course it is not a perfect test of my writeup
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Damianos__: Then if won't work. You need a switch, or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable
pmatulis: ok I have limited space on my home server, i'll wipe it and create 2 small ubuntu vm's, makes sense to seperate them
ok...but I still don't understand why it works when connected to my laptop with a VM?
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How did you connect them? What was the topology?
Damianos: your laptop might be smart enough to "cross it" for you
most desktops will not do that
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I have a macbook with vmware...the vm has exclusive access to the ethernet port and I simply connected them with a standard ethernet cable....I also tried to run a vm from laptop to client with the same cable and the thin client booted
this is bizarre
Damianos: laptops that are newer can normally "cross it" for you
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Damianos: desktops or thin clients will amost never "cross it" for you
aaaah, ok ....there is a switch at the school,...I'll bring a couple of cables and try going through the switch next time
Damianos: make a cross over cable or buy one, you will need it, and they're cheap
If I turn off the dhcp server on an extra wireless router I have will that act like a switch?
Damianos: it might but it might also cause more issues
lol yeah you're right...I'll go look at that link about crossover cables
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Damianos: you know how to create your own cables?
Damianos: you live in the us? go to staples and buy one for $10
never done it but I'm always up for learning new stuff
would a hub work too or does it have to be a switch
Damianos: a hub would work but might also cause more issues
Damianos: I go by this rule, "doing it right the first time prevents me from having to do more work later"
Damianos: so if you use the right equipment, you won't create more unneccesary work for yourself
well maybe I should just hook it up to a switch and see if that works because in the end, that's how this will be deployed
Damianos: that might also dhcp issues
I'll grab a crossover and try that first
that would be best
thanks a million for the help guys...I'll be back later and let you know how it goes
then start looking into your dhcp options
Damianos: sounds good!
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can anyone help me resolve an issue with mount errors on the client when it boots?
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same as this
Usually you can ignore those, so possibly your problem is somewhere else
alkisg: ok, i'll keep hunting then.. clients boot sometimes, but not always.. and when they do boot, they boot really slow
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alkisg, sbalneav , others:
"YouTube is now offering the experimental option to view all YouTube videos using HTML5 in H.264 format. Supported browsers are Chrome, Safari, and the ChromeFrame plug-in for Internet Explorer. Captions, ads, and annotations aren't yet supported but are coming soon."
johnny: is that something new? Didn't they have such a site some months ago?
alkisg, perhaps.. but my guess is that they really are going to make it possible on the main youtube site
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|10:53||* alkisg centainly hopes so|
it seems that adobe is making some misteps by not optimizing for linux
ones they didn't realize they were making
johnny: it should also be possible to make a plugin to start flash player locally with the xembed stuff that someone mentioned a while ago. That would be much better imho.
as google isn't going to let adobe stop them from using linux and not sucking up every bit of battery power :)
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is any magic required to get ps/2 mice and keyboards working in ltsp5?
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No, they should work out of the box
they are actually usb but using individual ps2 converters (that came with them)
as usb they work fine
Pod2: what kind of thin client hardware?
the client is SiS550 based
they work fine in 4.2
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we've just set up a ltsp server here and it's great
using the backported 5.1.10 on Debian Lenny install
we want to run a script which terminates all the users processes before login
I used to do this with KDM config file
but with LDM I'm lost
beng: a script that would terminate the existing processes from the user who's logging in?
yes, but before they've logged in obviously
I think LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION lts.conf variable does something like that...
we use it to clear up an persistent processes a user has left lying around
I'll look at LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION
can't find any record of that in the docs
Google for it, it's undocumented :P
Also search with site:nubae.com, the ltsp logs are there
(the irc channel logs)
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alkisg, yeah all that stuffs in the appropriate scripts and it appears to work, nice one
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alkisg, it's not enough!
No? Processes are still left alive?
we need it to kill all the process regardless of whether there's someone logged in or not
we are looking for residual process, not just sessions
actually, we also need to sync with /etc/skel as the user logs in
we want no persistent user data or sessions
beng: well the script that handles it is named S15-userLoginCheck, so either modify it or put something similar in rc.d...
Yeah I reckon
I can't find how the scripts in rc.d are organised though
presumably file beging S are executed in order
S = start
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sorry, just found the docs
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or session? :D
I = before the greeter
we need our script to go there
and we need to run it on the server
Really? You don't even know the username of the user loggin in at that point...
sort of do, as it's autologin
You don't have an ssh connection at that point afaik
so I need to wait for the S stage
when username will be all sorted for me
okay, I've added line... let's see
Can anybody decipher for me what happened in this FC12 ltsp-build-client? http://pastebin.com/m3bc394ff
this is the third thing I did after 1) creating network connections and 2) yum update
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sbalneav: simple patch to allow --copy-sourceslist to move over files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m3579473c
since this may be used with ppas, --apt-keys becomes important
and afaict, --apt-keys requires that the key be in a file and the filename be passed with --apt-keys to work.
which doesn't seem right to me.
shouldn't it either take the direct output from apt-key export, or even take a key id?
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i guess i'm assuming that the ppa key is already on the server. this is probably safe.
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alincoln: so you're thinking of automatically exporting the keys from the server and importing them to the chroot?
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alkisg: well, i think it'd be best if --apt-keys was still needed explicitly, but it took key ids. then it would be a simple 'apt-key list' and put the ones you want in the build-client command
alincoln: if one wants to copy all the sources of the server, is there any reason for not wanting to copy all the server keys as well?
I.e. then he wouldn't have to specify keys by ID, just tell build client to "copy everything"...
alkisg: that's probably a fair solution
since the point is to echo the server's setup.
So maybe `apt-key exportall` could be used
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alkisg: ah, yes.
So the real question is, "in which use cases would one want to run `ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist`, but not copy sources.list.d, and/or not copy the server's apt keys?"
if there is a ppa that say.. contains a newer version of some that you want on the server, but not on the client?
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johnny: there are so many possible configurations where it would do the wrong thing, even though in default scenarios it will probably do the right thing.
johnny: largely permutations on the example you gave
i'd be happy with --copy-repos=universe,main,multiverse
ppa's, backports... someone who pulls a known set of packages from the newer version...
so without it, you make the admin go into the chroot and edit it manually? or you leave it in, and let the admin edit the sources manually in the strange cases.
you'd almost have to copy /etc/apt/preferences* too, to make it sane... and even then, it's all kinds of guesswork.
vagrantc, i think it is important to be able to copy stgraber's ppa
as early as posssible
so we should be able to inject repos in some fashion
johnny: sure, but there's numerous other ways to accomplish that.
copy-sourceslist is a shotgun approach.
yeah... as long as i can copy a specific list, i'm OK without it
it might solve the problem in many cases, but it has high potential for unintended consequences.
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but that's why i don't include it in debian :)
y'all are free to do whatever you want with ubuntu
alkisg: --extra-mirror ?
But what about the keys/
How would I find those files?
I'd tell the sysadmin to download them? Or make a deb with them?
whatever you think is easier
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could even include a plugin by default like: --use-ppa's
if it's a stable location
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Ubuntu has an "add-apt-repository" command, is that in recent Debian versions too?
It's supposed to handle more than just PPAs... :D
don't see add-apt-repository in ltsp-trunk...
but there's extra-mirror and early-mirror in both debian and ubuntu
No, I meant it's a normal command, unrelated to ltsp
alkisg: sure, but that's an example for a common thing people will add
vagrantc, i like being able to do it by the name of the repo.. and copy the keys for me too... for those i specified
alkisg: ah, no idea.
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with some predefined settings...
maybe none of it is stable enough, though.
add-apt-repository is there...
It adds a repo to sources.list.d/ and also fetches the key
Hmm or maybe it's an Ubuntu addition :D
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don't know about it in either case :)
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alkisg, got the two things fixed in the end
added lines to both S01 and S15 in the end
S01 does the sync, S15 slays selected processes
johnny: concerning the pre_set_timezone function
i've looked at the timezone call
cheers for the help, much appreciated, now I have a ltsp-5.0 rc script understanding
it only sets the $timezone variable, which is use in set_timezone()
beng, nice :)
so no recurrency
now, getting the keyboard to be UK not US
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Hmm extra-mirror doesn't allow for different dist/components...
sure it does
you can specify the whole line (minus the deb part).
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Ah, thanks vagrantc :)
it's maybe not the most elegant way from the user's perspective... though specifying the components separately is probably no better.
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I'm writing an extra long ltsp-build-client.conf with much documentation, and I'm hoping it'll be easy enough for the teachers to comment out any entries they want...
Of course some plugins _are_ needed (e.g. copying italc keys, ssh keys, squid settings etc) but way less than I imagined at start...
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alkisg: it's a pretty flexible system :)
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i used the server install for my ltsp server
would you guys recommend to install ubuntu-desktop or is there a smaller gnome option?
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i'm looking at the abominable localapp user/group pruning shell code and wondering if it wouldn't be cleaner, simpler, faster and more maintainable to re-write it in python, perl or C.
|15:26||* alkisg has some code for group handling in python...|
Python also has some libraries for passwd/group etc reading
What's the script name?
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alkisg: so kind, you are. :)
|15:36||* vagrantc wonders if this wouldn't be resolved by sbalneav's wonderful libpam-ssh stuff|
Sorry - I mean the _task_ was so hard that it's difficult to read it
The coder was excellent :D
alkisg: well, i called it abominable.
it is certainly a few iterations of cleverness, i'll grant... but every time i have to look at it my muscles tense up.
i had my hand in it at some point...
but this might be a case where the limits of shell and/or sanity are being pushed.
Why can't the same system users be used on both the server and the chroot? As part of the chroot creation process?
*system groups, mostly...
alkisg: because you may not necessarily be logging into the server that the chroot is on, for one...
alkisg: groups might be added after ltsp chroot was built...
Ooops. Didn't think of that.
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groups get added as part of package postinst (at least on debian/ubuntu), so you'd have to go through and change all teh chroot group permissions after installation...
i.e. group foo is added, so then you'll need to walk the whole filesystem looking for group foo if it's inconsistant with the server's group foo
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Yeah I assumed that if the server files were copied before the postinsts, then it'd be OK, but it's very possible that there are some groups in the chroot that are not on the server...
it's a messy problem all around
I've programmed a user export/import program in python
Python does make it much easier
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But of course I didn't have to worry about "Problem with AD. Space not permited here." or "# Read-only /etc cannot use usermod"...
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those things should be easier to handle in python than in shell
anyone want to help me make sense of this line:
sudo ietadm --op new --tid=2 --params Name=iqn.192.168.1.94:disk_c
Yeah... pwds = pwd.getpwall() spwds = spwd.getspall() grps = grp.getgrall() much better in python ;)
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johnny: I'm watching html 5 video on youtube, and it needs more CPU than flash player! :D
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what player is it using?
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I guess it has an embedded player, I don't see any know player references..
what happens when you right click on it?
This must be the player process: opt/google/chrome/chrome --channel=17832.36aa7b0.1208987919 --type=renderer --lang=el --force-fieldtest=AsyncSlowStart/_AsyncSlowStart/CacheSize/CacheSizeGroup_0/DnsImpact/_default_enabled_prefetch/GlobalSdch/_global_disable_sdch/HttpPrioritization/_no_http_prioritization/SocketLateBinding/_disable_late_binding/
It displays the standard chrome menu, "back, save as" etc
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anyone worked with the iscsi setup that pmatulis setup?
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