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Channel log from 23 November 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<alkisg>
So putting a line in dnsmasq.conf won't be a problem for him...
00:00
<cyberorg>
li-f-e currently works with/without another dhcpd running in the network, i would like to keep the same feature but move to dnsmasq for 11.3 release as it seems much more flexible
00:01
<alkisg>
Well, just change the line in dnsmasq.conf when you don't detect an existing dhcp server, then
00:02
I.e. when a *static* ip is defined, as opposed to a dynamic one
00:02
or something like that...
00:02
<cyberorg>
yup that should work
00:03
<alkisg>
(or ask an ip with dhclient and see if you get one)
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00:03
<alkisg>
(with a FAKE dhcp request...)
00:04
<cld>
anyone have experience using ltsp in a classroom?
00:04
<cyberorg>
i'll eat your head when i get to that :D
00:04
<alkisg>
ipconfig -n eth0 ==> fake request
00:04
<cld>
i am a preservice math teacher, and I'd like to learn more about using it
00:05
<cyberorg>
cld, http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/11/17/opensuse-edu-li-f-e-creating-open-minds/
00:06
thats got LTSP as well as tons of math applications :)
00:07
<cld>
i am curious about the clients. is it usually possible to convert any computer with a pci slot?
00:07
does the mobo bios have to support network booting?
00:07
<cyberorg>
cld, what kind of clients do you have?
00:08
<cld>
none
00:08
i am doing a project for school... i am in an education program
00:08
<cyberorg>
all mobos made in last few years with onboard nic are pxe boot capable
00:11
<cld>
cyberorg, do you know any sites with cheap client setups?
00:12
<cyberorg>
disklessworkstations.com is the main sponsors of LTSP :)
00:12
but you can use any old normal PCs, any CPU, 256MB RAM is recommended, more the better
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05:01
<Denbert>
I've installed a Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP server with 2 nics - It worked out of the box, but how do i implement it with an existing DHCP Server (My Firewall)?
05:18
<Appiah>
just look at the dhcp config
05:18
merge it with your firewall
05:22
<Denbert>
I asume its the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file I must edit
05:25
If I have an existing DHCP Server, wouldn't it be better to use one nic setup?
05:26
In order to be on same network
05:35
Right now I'm having this config: http://hegnstoften.net/pictures/Ubuntu_9.10_LTSP_Server_01.png
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08:11
<moldy>
hi
08:11
how do i store my alsa volume settings for the chroot?
08:15
<Appiah>
think I've seen that on the wiki
08:15
before it got moved
08:15
and I think pulseaudio controls that not alsa
08:22
<Gadi>
moldy: VOLUME=90 (VOLUME=all channel default)
08:22
moldy: or, <channel-name-in-caps>_VOLUME for channel specific
08:22
(in lts.conf, of course)
08:29
<moldy>
Gadi: i need to mute the microphones
08:29
<Gadi>
MIC_VOLUME=0
08:29
(normally)
08:29
unless the microphone channel for your driver is called something other than "Mic"
08:30
<moldy>
Gadi: thanks... i have to microphone jacks though
08:30
"two"
08:30
how would i find out the channel names?
08:30
<Gadi>
MIC_FRONT_VOLUME=0
08:30
you can find the channel names by running alsamixer in a shell on the client
08:30
(or alsmaixer -c0)
08:31
shell = either a shell screen or an ltsp-localapps xterm
08:32
<moldy>
in alsamixer, it's called "front mic" and "mic"
08:33
<Gadi>
so, MIC_VOLUME and FRONT_MIC_VOLUME
08:33
<moldy>
Gadi: ok, thanks
08:34
hm, does not seem to work though
08:34
are the "human readable" channel names in alsamixer really the same as the internal ones?
08:35
<Gadi>
should be. you can also do: amixer -c0 scontrols
08:35
<moldy>
ah wait, it seems to work for one channel... probably the front one is misnamed... thank you, Gadi
08:35
<Gadi>
but, make sure you are looking at the thin client soundcard and not the server ;)
08:36
<moldy>
yep, i am on a local client shell :)
08:36
<Gadi>
ok - try: amixer -c0 scontrols|grep -i mic
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08:38
<moldy>
ok, it works now -- great. thank you.
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08:51
<dro>
good morning guys
08:56
<rjune>
good morning.
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09:01
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:01
<rjune>
sbalneav,
09:01
Can't ubuntu automount a windows share ?
09:02
<sbalneav>
I have no idea
09:02
<rjune>
I know it does it for LDA, but can it be made to work to mount a share on a server?
09:02
Isn't SMB used for LDA?
09:02
<sbalneav>
Don't use windows.
09:03
<Gadi>
rjune: you mean local devices?
09:03
<rjune>
Gadi, well, yes
09:03
<Gadi>
only in rdesktop
09:03
<rjune>
LDA still == Local Device Access
09:04
<Gadi>
:P
09:04
<rjune>
so if I put a thumbdrive in the terminal, it shows up on my desktop
09:04
<Gadi>
in linux, we use ltspfs for that
09:04
:P
09:05
<rjune>
ah, ok.
09:05
<Gadi>
in terms of automounting a windows share, look at pam_mount
09:05
(you need creds)
09:10
<rjune>
yeah, I know.
09:11
<dro>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
09:11
<rjune>
I forgot ltsp wasn't using smb anymore
09:11
Thanks.
09:11
<dro>
n/m that uses smb
09:11
lol
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09:20
<dro>
are there any documents out there that show how LTSP can save a user money
09:21
something like total cost of ownership, from saving money from reusing older computers or thin clients, to even using less power
09:22
<rjune>
Not really current that I know of
09:23
Bye an Atom, get the power of a core2
09:23
Though from a marketing perspective, I think "desktop virtualization" is the buzzword to use
09:24
<irule>
but I mention virtualization and all morons shout xen, quemu, kvm!
09:25
<sbalneav>
dro: Not really, since each users' circumstances are different
09:25
irule: Well, those ARE virtualization technologies.
09:25
dro: Besides, we don't have a marketing department :)
09:25
<dro>
sbalneav: that makes sense
09:26
<rjune>
sbalneav, we need one. Gadi I choose you!
09:26
<dro>
I think I might try to put something together and then have our marketing guy make it look better
09:26
<irule>
just show them a hard drive price list and say -these terminal dont have a hard drive!
09:27
<Gadi>
awesome, rjune. So, as marketing director, my total compensation package should look like this.... ;)
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09:28
<sbalneav>
I don't think we need one. We're not selling anything. We're giving our stuff away for free.
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09:28
<rjune>
sbalneav, so?
09:29
If you don't care if anybody uses it, then you're right. If you want to attract users and potential developers, than paying attention to what you're saying and how your saying it is relevant.
09:29
<sbalneav>
So, we don't need to market it. People interested in using LTSP should do their own cost benefit analysis.
09:29
<rjune>
as well as the *right* kind of users.
09:29
<sbalneav>
I *dont* care if anyone uses ltsp.
09:29
<rjune>
ok then.
09:30
<sbalneav>
Well, do you? Or are you here for your own reasons?
09:30
<rjune>
Who is in charge of the project these days? is jim still head?
09:30
at one time I did. at the moment I'm not so worried about it, but that may change.
09:30* rjune is doing consulting again.
09:31
<sbalneav>
I don't think anyone's *in charge*, per se.
09:32
We seem to have gotten alonmg quite well for 10 years as a loose almalgam of hackers personally interested in LTSP. I'd hate to spoil the good thing we got going :)
09:34
<rjune>
heh
09:34
For quite a while you and jim have had your hands on the tiller, pointing things in the right direction
09:35
<sbalneav>
That's because it was just me and jim developing
09:35
now there's 5 or 6 people with their hands on the tiller
09:35
and that's fine by me.
09:36
I don't know about the rest of you, but personally, I think LTSP's one of the last, great truly "open" projects out there
09:36
no business plans
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<sbalneav>
no marketing
09:36
no management
09:36
no goald
09:36
goals
09:36
just a bunch of hackers doing cool things and having fun.
09:37
IMHO, "formalizing" things just sucks the fun out of ltsp. It turns it into work.
09:39
<irule>
its not that hard
09:40
just fire up openoffice
09:40
and make an impress presentation for chimps full of cute graphs from google images :)
09:43
almost no text, just a hard drive with a red stroke on top whenever you mention a terminal, then a page that says less moving parts, les money per year
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<irule>
and money is the bosses magic words! dead hard drives mean money well saved
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
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<irule>
hi
09:44
talking here about TCO
09:45
<alkisg>
dro: some general things about thin clients, TCO and climate there, by fraunhofer: http://it.umsicht.fraunhofer.de/TCecology/docs/TCecology2008_en.pdf
09:45
<irule>
its not that hard, just fire up openoffice and make an impress presentation for chimps full of cute graphs from google images :) ... almost no text, just a hard drive with a red stroke on top whenever you mention a terminal, then a page that says less moving parts, les money per year, and money is the bosses magic words! dead hard drives mean money well saved
09:45
<alkisg>
"If a desktop PC is replaced by a thin client and terminal server, the emissions of the workstation are reduced by more than 54 %. In terms of a complete system with LCD monitor the saving potential is 44 %."
09:46
120 pages about TCO and climate, enjoy...
09:46* alkisg never read all of it
09:47
<rjune>
howdy jim
09:48
<jammcq>
hey rjune
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09:49
<Indio>
hi all
09:49
good morning
09:50
is anyone here?
09:50
<dro>
alkisg: ty
09:50
Indio: i'm not, I'm hiding
09:50
<Indio>
:D
09:51
<irule>
Im here
09:51
<Indio>
can someone tell me if is possible to use an usb smart card reader from a thin client?
09:52
if i attach the reader to the server all works fine
09:53
but plugged in the thin client no...
09:59
<Gadi>
Indio: at this point, probably only if you run the program that uses the reader as a localapp and install pcscd in the chroot
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10:04
<Indio>
hmmm
10:04
thanks for the answer...
10:04
can you help me to do this?
10:05* Gadi is going into a meeting, but perhaps later today?
10:06
<Indio>
ok... i'm going to find some documentation about this
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10:42
<moldy>
hi
10:42
<Indio>
hi
10:43
<moldy>
i copied my sources.list from the host system into the chroot and ran aptitude update inside the chroot. yet, aptitude inside the chroot still does not find the package "mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de". why?
10:43
i can install the package outside of the chroot
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10:53
<Indio>
i'm sorry i cant' help
10:53
i waiting for an help about smart card readers
10:54
<johnny>
did you install pcscd ?
10:54
in the chroot
10:54
it probably requires more work tho, if you want to auth with the smartcard
10:54
as in.. programming..
10:54
<Indio>
hi
10:54
well i do not need to auth with smartcard
10:55
i only need to make a thinclient use a smartcard to produce signed email and documents
10:55
i have an ACR38 reader that plugged on server works well but not on the thin clients
10:56
<johnny>
i bet it will require custom work
10:56
to pass the data properly between client and server
10:56
<alkisg>
moldy: huh? what distro is that?
10:57
<Indio>
in my case i need only to get an application to use the card
10:58
1 application and 1 card
10:59
do you think that if i install reader driver, pcscd and the app locally using ltsp-localapps and chroot it will work
11:01
<moldy>
alkisg: karmic
11:01
<alkisg>
moldy: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install language-pack-de language-pack-gnome-de
11:01
(one of those two anyways...)
11:02
<moldy>
alkisg: well, i only want the firefox l10n
11:02
alkisg: since i run firefox as a local app
11:02
<alkisg>
moldy: well, ubuntu has all of them in language packs
11:02
<moldy>
alkisg: why do i see the package outside of the chroot then?
11:02
<alkisg>
So while I think you could do that in Debian, you can't in Ubuntu... afaik
11:03
It's a virtual package, not a real one. What do you get if you try dpkg -l that package?
11:03
sorry, dpkg -L
11:03
If there is indeed such a package, you can see the source it uses with apt-cache policy <packagename>
11:03
<moldy>
a listing of paths
11:03
<alkisg>
Hmmm weird, I don't have such a package for Greek firefox
11:04
OK, what do you get with apt-cache policy?
11:04
<moldy>
maybe it's different for german and greek
11:04
<alkisg>
I should be able to see the german package, though
11:04
I don't
11:04
<moldy>
i might have a different sources.list than you have
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11:05
<alkisg>
OK. What does apt-cache policy tell you?
11:05
<moldy>
i'm trying to install a nopaste utility right now :)
11:06
<alkisg>
sudo apt-get install pastebinit
11:06
E.g. here are the Greek firefox translations: alkisg@alkis:~$ dpkg -L language-pack-el-base | grep 'firefox.*jar'
11:06
/usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-el@firefox-3.5.ubuntu.com/chrome/el.jar
11:06
<moldy>
dpkg -L mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
11:06
http://pastebin.com/f38b4ec56
11:07
<alkisg>
That was apt-cache policy. Can you also paste dpkg -L?
11:07
<moldy>
ah, sorry
11:07
<alkisg>
And, dpkg -L language-pack-de-base | grep 'firefox.*jar'
11:08
<moldy>
http://pastebin.com/f249a4266
11:08
dpkg -L language-pack-de-base|grep 'firefox.*jar' ==> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-de@firefox-3.5.ubuntu.com/chrome/de.jar
11:08
<alkisg>
RIght
11:09
<moldy>
my point is, i don't want to bloat the client environment more than necessary
11:09
installing l10n for a whole system just because of firefox sounds like overkill
11:09
<johnny>
that's how it goes sometimes..
11:10
<moldy>
but even putting that issue apart, i'd like to understand why i see different packages outside of the chroot than inside it, with an identical sources.list
11:10
<alkisg>
moldy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=karmic ==> No matching package for 'mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de'.
11:11
<moldy>
alkisg: i guess it's from universe or multiverse or something
11:11
<alkisg>
And, the apt-cache policy you pasted confirms that it isn't in any repository
11:11
<moldy>
alkisg: so, it's a leftover from a previous version probably?
11:11
<alkisg>
I don't know...
11:11
<moldy>
i think that machine was upgraded from dapper, or possibly even from a version before dapper
11:12
<alkisg>
Could be then.
11:12
So afaik the only (correct) way to do it is to install language-pack-de in the chroot
11:12
<moldy>
ok, http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/dapper/mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
11:12
<alkisg>
Of course you could manually copy the files, but that's not a proper solution...
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<moldy>
ok, it's obviously a leftover from dapper. that explains it. thanks.
11:13
<alkisg>
Hey, weird, it's also there in Hardy. Maybe it's only there in LTS releases?
11:13
<moldy>
possible
11:14
i think that machine's history is dapper->hardy->karmic
11:14
<alkisg>
I don't think it's possible to upgrade from hardy to karmic
11:14
It has to pass through jaunty first
11:14
<moldy>
right, dapper->hardy->jaunty->karmic
11:14
i can never remember those names :)
11:15
<alkisg>
Hmmm yeah we also have it in LTS releases: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mozilla-firefox-locale-el
11:17
<Indio>
hi where ca i find ltsp-localapps in ubuntu hardy??
11:17
<johnny>
they don't exist
11:17
not officiallly anyways..
11:17
they weren't good enough by the time hardy was released
11:18
<moldy>
they are pretty awesome now, btw
11:19
i have 10-12 people sitting at ltsp terminals right now doing web multimedia (youtube, flash games)
11:20
<Indio>
hmm in what packages?
11:21
<moldy>
Indio: what do you mean? i am running karmic.
11:21
<Indio>
ltsp5?
11:21
<johnny>
Indio, you need to use a newer release than hardy
11:21
<moldy>
Indio: yes, of course ltsp5
11:22
<Indio>
hmm how can install ltsp5 on hardy
11:23
<johnny>
you do have ltsp5
11:23
on hardy
11:23
just not a new enough one
11:23
if you want a newer one, you should probably upgrade
11:23
<moldy>
one thing i notice: it seems i cannot shutdown/reboot a karmic client from within the gnome session. when i select shutdown/reboot, it just logs out the user and returns to ldm. why is that?
11:23
<johnny>
because tha'ts how it always worked moldy ?
11:23
we can't do any better until there is some sort of dbus interaction between client and server
11:24
which we haven't figured out yet..
11:24
we probably need to schedule a meeting with dbus guys..
11:24
<moldy>
johnny: i think the difference is that before karmic, it did not display the shutdown/reboot options inside the session
11:24
<johnny>
oh..
11:24
yeah.. i don't know how we hacked that
11:24
wasn't me
11:24
<moldy>
it's not a big issue, but it can be somewhat confusing
11:24
<johnny>
no more than anything else imo :)
11:25
<moldy>
i *think* it even rebooted/shutted down the server before, if you were logged in as an admin user
11:25
"shutted" is wrong, right? ah well :)
11:26
<alkisg>
moldy: there was a patch for fast-user-switch-applet about this
11:26
<johnny>
you had to have admin access still moldy
11:26
<alkisg>
Unfortunately, Karmic now uses the new indicator applet
11:27
<johnny>
/me wonders why ubuntu folks do what they do
11:27
<alkisg>
So the patch no longer applies... someone has to come up with a new patch
11:27
<johnny>
it doesn't make sense sometime
11:27
<alkisg>
(or, patch it properly so that reboot is really supported)
11:27
<johnny>
alkisg, that requires work on our side..
11:27
not theirs
11:27
or work on the dbus level really
11:27
<alkisg>
Yup. It can be done without dbus, though...
11:27
<johnny>
that's not how it should be done
11:28
it should be done with dbus
11:29
<alkisg>
johnny: how can you reboot a client with dbus?
11:29
<Indio>
can someone tell me the repository for an updated ltsp5 for hardy?
11:30
<alkisg>
!stgraber-ppa
11:30
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
11:30
<alkisg>
Indio: ^^^
11:30
<Indio>
this?
11:30
<alkisg>
Yes
11:31
<Indio>
ok i try it
11:31
<johnny>
alkisg, it sends the signal to the thing that actually does the work
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<alkisg>
johnny: do you know exactly what that is? I tried to look for such a dbus api, but I didn't find it...
11:32
<johnny>
hmm.. isn't there.. under devicekit power?
11:32
or hal.powermanagement
11:32
depending on which distro..
11:32
and how new
11:33
<alkisg>
Karmic... I can't find it
11:34
I see hibernate and suspend, but not reboot or shutdown
11:34
<johnny>
hmm.. weird.. got suspend, and hibernate
11:35
console kit has CanStop and CanRestart
11:37
<alkisg>
Ah, I got something in the session bus - in org.gnome.SessionManager
11:38
<johnny>
alkisg, it's all irrelvant anyways.. until we can find a way to show thin client hardware to remote login
11:38
by merging the system buses.. or at least having the thin client session *think* we have it merged
11:38
<alkisg>
I'd like that for italc as well, for standalone clients
11:39* alkisg tries the shutdown method...
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<alkisg>
Hmm, I got the gnome shutdown dialog...
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<alkisg>
Heh, requestshutdown() did it
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<johnny>
seems like it should be at the system bus huh
11:45
i have a feeling they're still working on the right things at the right places
11:45
hopefully trying to standardize it
11:45
between kde/gnome/xfce/etc
11:46
uggh.. yum is terrible
11:46
takes forever to do anything
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<marcelo>
hey guys
13:05
is it possible to install a ltsp kernel from ubuntu 9.10 in an LTSP running in Ubuntu 8.10 ?
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<alkisg>
marcelo: I think it might work...
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<marcelo>
where can I get the latest kernel ?
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<alkisg>
From the karmic repositories - but it may be easier if you just ask someone with ubuntu 9.10 to give his tftpboot dir to you...
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<sbalneav>
With a little bit of tweaking, I run a jaunty chroot on a hardy server.
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<akuepker>
anybody with experience running DisklessWorkstations 1420 terminals on Kubuntu 9.10? I get kicked back out to the login prompt 2/3 through the KDE setup.
13:57
<CAN-o-SPAM>
akuepker: ping _UsUrPeR_
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13:57* _UsUrPeR_ appears
13:58
<akuepker>
sorry. didn't quite parse.
13:58* _UsUrPeR_ reads above
13:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: do you see the LDM loading screen, or do you see a terminal?
13:59
<akuepker>
i believe the LDM loading screen. When I switch the "KDE splash" to basic, it gets about 2/3 of the bar across.
13:59
<sbalneav>
akuepker: have you checked in the user's $HOME/.xsession-errors file?
14:00
<akuepker>
yes. all sorts of errors, but only some I understand.
14:00
<sbalneav>
!pastebot
14:00
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
14:00
<sbalneav>
Can you p[aste it to there please?
14:00
and tell us the link?
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<akuepker>
will do
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: are you running your 1420?
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<akuepker>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d6d823132
14:03* _UsUrPeR_ reads
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<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: yep
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works fine, but I'rm runninng gnome
14:05
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: os?
14:05
<sbalneav>
hardy
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<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: did you notice any errors while building the chroot filesystem?
14:06
<sbalneav>
akuepker: Hmmm. Try putting LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file
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<akuepker>
I assume /var/lib/tftpboot/ ?
14:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
14:07
if no file exists, it should look like this: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m2db12e61
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akuepker: ^^
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<akuepker>
no change
14:10
same behavior
14:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: Let's try rebuilding the image.
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akuepker: mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp-old
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akuepker: ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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<akuepker>
rebuild running now
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<_UsUrPeR_>
let me know if a problem appears while rebuilding.
14:18
<sbalneav>
Getting the docs uploaded to SlowForge err SourceForge now :)
14:18
!docs
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<sbalneav>
I really, REALLY hate that "is" in there
14:19
REALLY
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<_UsUrPeR_>
!ltspbot`--
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:)
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!karma ltspbot`
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<ltspbot`>
_UsUrPeR_: Karma for "ltspbot`" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
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<mgariepy>
hi everyone!
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<sbalneav>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<sbalneav>
!docs
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!docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
14:26
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<sbalneav>
!s
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
There
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<mgariepy>
always playing with the bot ?
14:27
<sbalneav>
No
14:27
But the "is" in there kept bugging me
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it's not smart enough to sub "are" or whatever's appropriate
14:28
<vagrantc>
heh
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<sbalneav>
and seeing "docs is ..."
14:28
just offends the grammar nazi in me.
14:28
anyway, on to the REAL purpose of what I was doing:
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ltspbot: forget docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
14:29
<vagrantc>
back to the state of anarchy we all know and love
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn docs as For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
14:29
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
14:30
<sbalneav>
Now I just need to get the old pastebot back.
14:31
<akuepker>
hmm.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: any luck?
14:32
<akuepker>
found an error
14:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: ?
14:32
<akuepker>
3 lines ok to post here?
14:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
should be ;)
14:32
copy-pasta that
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<akuepker>
debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Passthrough
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debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 22) line 3)
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debconf: falling back to frontend: Noninteractive
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udev, tzdata, and sysv-rc
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update-rc.d: warning: keyboard-setup start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S)
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update-rc.d: warning: keyboard-setup stop runlevel arguments (S) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
did that dump out of the ltsp-build-client?
14:34
<akuepker>
yes
14:34
<vagrantc>
akuepker: this on debian testing or unstable?
14:34
<akuepker>
it's still running
14:35
should be a vanilla kubuntu 9.10 with apt-get install of LTSP5
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: you could put a php pastebot at sourceforge..
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<Denbertuz>
Installed a fresh Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP Server - with one NIC - Having integrated exixting gateway to dhcp3-server conf
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I'm receiving login screen, but no server responce?
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<alkisg>
sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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<Denbertuz>
Creating 4.0 filesystem...
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Wow - thanx, worked like a charm
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<alkisg>
;)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: any news?
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<akuepker>
_UsUrPer_: ran ltsp_build_client. same behavior
15:09
just finished. looking through the errors now
15:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm :/
15:09
<akuepker>
a fair number of the debconf errors about being 'unable to initialize frontend'
15:09
well, warnings, not really errors
15:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: Mind if I inquire as to your use of KDE?
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<akuepker>
our users don't like Gnome. We're support about 200 social workers with half dozen servers in 5 buildings.
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worked just fine under Debian to this point, but we wanted something a little slicker.
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<pyxus>
hi, someone know how detect why y dont recieve request from client machine?
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<pyxus>
y desactivate the firewall and in the log file message not register event
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<alkisg>
pyxus: what kind of request? dhcp request?
15:17
<pyxus>
yes
15:17
y try with virtual machine in the server an the request is ok
15:18
<alkisg>
distro/version?
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<pyxus>
fedora 11 whith ltsp ver3
15:18* alkisg has no clue about fedora
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<pyxus>
ok
15:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg / sbalneav: any ideas for akuepker?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: maybe an installation with ubuntu, then switch the windows manager after installation
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<akuepker>
recommend using the Alternatives CD for a LTSP5 off the CD?
15:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: correct. ubuntu 9.10 alternate
15:21
install kde after :)
15:21
<akuepker>
ok. will give that a whirl.
15:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
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<_UsUrPeR_>
akuepker: after the installation, shoot me an email to support@disklessworkstations.com . Let me know how things go.
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<akuepker>
will do
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<akuepker>
_UsUrPeR_: re-installed using Ubuntu 9.10 Alt w/ LTSP mode. same failures under Gnome as before under Kubuntu. Email on the way to you as requested.
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<mobster_s>
hi, anyone can help with login issue with thin clients on ltsp?
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<mobster_s>
hi, anyone can help with login issue with thin clients on ltsp? On the client I get the login GUI, but on entering a valid user/pass I get a black screen with just the mouse pointer. ctrl-alt-f1 will not work at this point, but on the login gui when I try it, I get login prompt. Using this I get login incorect even tho its a valid user. Anyone have any ideas I can try?
19:44
<johnny>
a valid user on your server?
19:44
did you change the ip or anything?
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<mobster_s>
not the IP, but I did change location from one building to another
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actually IP of second NIC did change
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<johnny>
run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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and perhaps ltsp-update-image -a i386
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<mobster_s>
yes I already tried that, no luck
19:46
tried that also
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<johnny>
then set a password on the chroot, rebuild the image
19:46
and login on the console
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and read /var/log/ldm.log
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<vagrantc>
don't bother setting a password, just use SCREEN_XX=shell
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then you don't have to rebuild the image
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where XX is an available tty
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<mobster_s>
login on the console= login to the server? or login to console of thin client?
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<vagrantc>
i think johnny was talking about debugging on the thin client
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<johnny>
i've had trouble with that screen var..
19:49
maybe that's just me tho..
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<mobster_s1>
sorry laptop died.
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last question was: login on the console= login to the server? or login to console of thin client?
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<mobster_s1>
anyone?
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