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Channel log from 1 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:05
<abeehc_>
i imagine you've set the server to use the proxy to start with? and so the non-localapps work?
00:05
its really hard to guess out of thin air not knowing your distro and desktop environment
00:06
for me i'd start with gnome-network-properties on the server then just hope the localapps inherit that
00:07
otherwise i imagine many apps have to be configured independently
00:07
there are many kinds of proxies i also have no idea if you are talking http proxy or what i just assumed http or socks
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05:48
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning!
05:52
<alkisg>
Good morning :)
05:56
<muppis>
Morning atleast. :)
06:02
<Hyperbyte>
Awwe... what's wrong muppy? :-D
06:03
<muppis>
Road rage at morning. Getting over it.
06:06
And still struggling with iSCSI.
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06:14
<Hyperbyte>
Where abouts do you live in Finland?
06:15
(minus the 's' there - I'm still waking up)
06:17
<muppis>
Link to Google Maps http://bit.ly/mTtzFQ
06:23
Of course, is not my exact position.
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07:11
<Hyperbyte>
Of course, else I might come and stalk you. ;>
07:12
I have a friend who lives in Oulu, but that's quite far from you I gather.
07:12
<muppis>
Be my guest. :)
07:13
Well, my wife and kids lived at Oulu last year, so that ain't so far away.
07:14
<Hyperbyte>
580 kilometers according to Google Maps
07:14
... give or take a little.
07:14
<muppis>
Around that. Takes 5 hours with car with no brakes.
07:15
<Hyperbyte>
Of course, living in the Netherlands near Rotterdam, any distance above 50 kilometers is far away.
07:15
<muppis>
:D
07:15
<Hyperbyte>
Care with no brakes sounds really dangerous though
07:15
** Car
07:16
:-D
07:16
<muppis>
I know, that's why I put it that way. I really meant no pauses.
07:16
D:
07:16
<Hyperbyte>
I know what you mean. :P
07:16
<muppis>
Good.
07:17
<Hyperbyte>
You know the difference between breaks and brakes right? =)
07:17
<muppis>
Distance from home to work is 48 km. :)
07:17
Yes. I'm little bit out of caffeine so I make typos more easily.
07:17
<Hyperbyte>
Heh... distance for me is 9 kilometers... although we're moving, so I'm upgrading to 12 kilometers.
07:18
I live in a city next to Rotterdam... work in Rotterdam, like most of the people living in my city.
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07:19
<Hyperbyte>
Traffic is insane, so electric scooter is preferred method of transportation for me. :)
07:19
<muppis>
That's good.
07:20
<Hyperbyte>
Going from my city to Rotterdam during rush hour would take an hour or so. :)
07:20
By car.
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07:20
<muppis>
And for me it just takes 30-40 mins no matter which time. :)
07:25
<Hyperbyte>
:-)
07:27
<muppis>
And if I don't care about speed traps and fuel economy, I could drive it in less than 25 min. >)
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07:46
<nosedrum>
hi all
07:46
i have a issue on client booting
07:46
ubuntu logo laoding
07:46
and resume to a blank screen
07:46
and can't conect to client with ssh
07:46
any ideas ?
07:47
<muppis>
Does ctrl-alt-f1 work ?
07:49
<nosedrum>
no
07:51
<muppis>
Remove words quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and reboot client.
07:51
Replace i386 with amd64, if you use 64 bit clients.
07:53
<nosedrum>
no it's 32 bit client
07:53
the users on phone reboot the client ( i remove quiet and splash)
07:54
no init found try passing init = boot arg
07:54
-> Busy box
07:55
i have try to :
07:56
ltsp-update-image -a i386
07:56
<muppis>
I was suggesting that next to do. :)
07:56
<nosedrum>
add IPAPPEND 3 to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default for possible double dhcp
07:56
but
07:56
/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
07:56
reveal only ltsp server as dhcp
07:58
i redo a tsp-update-image -a i386 to see
07:59
target filesystem don't have /sbin/init
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08:02
<alkisg_web>
nosedrum: do you get a busybox shell?
08:02
<nosedrum>
yes !
08:02
<alkisg_web>
ls /root
08:03
That's the root file system, you should see the chroot there
08:03
If it's empty, nbd wasn't mounted
08:04
And some more tests as I'm not monitoring the channel too much:
08:04
ps | grep nbd
08:04
=> see if nbd-client is there
08:04
mount => see if there's an nbd entr
08:04
y
08:04
nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0 ==> try to manually mount the nbd image
08:04
And, on the server:
08:05
ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img
08:05
grep i386 /etc/inetd.conf
08:05
sudo mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt
08:05
ls /mnt
08:05
Stuff like that, bbl :)
08:06
<nosedrum>
i can't connect to client
08:06
i tell the user
08:06
wait
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08:07
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img
08:07
ls: ne peut accéder /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
08:07
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# grep i386 /etc/inetd.conf
08:07
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
08:07
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# sudo mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt
08:07
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls /mnt
08:07
bin dev home media opt root selinux sys usr
08:07
boot etc lib mnt proc sbin srv tmp var
08:10
<Hyperbyte>
nosedrum, alkisg meant to run these commands on the client, not the server.
08:10
<nosedrum>
i do
08:10
with a user on site
08:10
the first
08:10
ls /root
08:11
-> cow rofs
08:12
<Hyperbyte>
Also, alkisg made a typo. /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img should be /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
08:13
But it exists, else you couldn't mount it.
08:13
<nosedrum>
on server :
08:13
ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
08:13
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 755212288 2011-09-01 10:07 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
08:13
sure
08:13
exists
08:14
<Hyperbyte>
What about the rest of the commands alkisg asked you to execute on the client? :)
08:15
<nosedrum>
nbd-client 192.168.96.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist*
08:15
on client
08:16
(sorry for slow but it's a lambda user on phone who make the commands ....)
08:16
(i don't precise it's a production site.... -__-)
08:17
so with ps -ef we can see:
08:17
nbd-client 192.168.96.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist
08:17
on client
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08:22
<nosedrum>
what can i do ?
08:22
i have try this
08:22
rm /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
08:22
ltsp-update-kernels
08:23
<muppis>
Why remove conf?
08:23
<alkisg>
nosedrum: try this: sudo ltsp-update-image --force (and -a i386 if you have amd64 server / i386 chroot)
08:23
<nosedrum>
yes i have to put -a i386
08:23
<alkisg>
After it finishes, if your client still doesn't boot, we'll need you to put some stuff in pastebin
08:23
<nosedrum>
ok i'll try with --force
08:24
ok
08:24
<alkisg>
--force has code that updates inetd.conf, updates kernels etc
08:24
Btw which distro version is this?
08:25
<nosedrum>
for info : http://pastebin.com/DXLtbAC9
08:25
the user is rebooting...
08:25
ubuntu 10.04
08:25
cat /etc/lsb-release
08:25
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
08:25
DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
08:25
DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
08:25
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
08:26
No change => Busy box on client
08:27
<Hyperbyte>
"Configuring inetd... Note: xinetd currently is not fully supported by update-inetd."
08:27
That's not a default warning, is it?
08:28
<nosedrum>
no idea
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08:28
<nosedrum>
think it's a possibility ?
08:29
<alkisg>
LTSP uses inetd by default, not xinetd
08:29
<Hyperbyte>
Type 'pidof inetd' on the server
08:29
<alkisg>
Run: aptitude why xinetd
08:30
(LTSP in Ubuntu, I mean)
08:30
<nosedrum>
pidof inetd
08:30
no answers
08:30
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# aptitude why xinetd
08:30
i ltsp-server-standalone Dépend ltsp-server
08:30
i A ltsp-server Dépend openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver
08:30
i xinetd Fournit inet-superserver
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08:31
<alkisg>
nosedrum: now try: sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd ==> BUT DON'T PRESS YES
08:31
Cancel it, and just paste the output
08:31
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd
08:31
Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
08:31
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
08:31
Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
08:31
Les paquets suivants seront ENLEVÉS :
08:31
<alkisg>
Because the `aptitude why` above doesn't justify why xinetd is installed...
08:31
<nosedrum>
debconf-utils* debootstrap* dhcp3-server* ldm-server* ltsp-server*
08:31
ltsp-server-standalone* ltspfs* squashfs-tools* tftpd-hpa* xinetd*
08:31
0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 10 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
08:31
Après cette opération, 3 924ko d'espace disque seront libérés.
08:31
Souhaitez-vous continuer [O/n] ? n
08:32
Annulation.
08:32
<alkisg>
Please do: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
08:32
So that the messages are in english
08:32
So it seems that xinetd was installed before you installed ltsp-server
08:32
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd
08:32
Reading package lists... Done
08:32
Building dependency tree
08:32
Reading state information... Done
08:32
The following packages will be REMOVED:
08:32
<alkisg>
But the reason for xinetd has disappeared since then
08:32
<nosedrum>
debconf-utils* debootstrap* dhcp3-server* ldm-server* ltsp-server*
08:32
ltsp-server-standalone* ltspfs* squashfs-tools* tftpd-hpa* xinetd*
08:32
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 10 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
08:32
After this operation, 3,924kB disk space will be freed.
08:32
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
08:33
Abort.
08:33
<alkisg>
Now, do: sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd
08:33
<nosedrum>
sorry for franch messages ^^
08:33
<alkisg>
And then: sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd
08:33
<Hyperbyte>
Actually, installing openbsd-inetd will remove xinetd
08:33
<alkisg>
Now it should only tell you to remove xinetd, not ltsp etc
08:33
Ah ok then
08:33
If they conflict
08:33
<Hyperbyte>
You can't have both, I learned that the hard way. :)
08:34
<alkisg>
$ apt-cache show openbsd-inetd | grep Conflicts
08:34
Conflicts: netkit-inetd
08:34
That doesn't conflict... let me see xinetd...
08:35
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# apt-cache show openbsd-inetd | grep Conflicts
08:35
Conflicts: netkit-inetd
08:35
seems to be the same
08:35
<alkisg>
Anyway, go on with the openbsd-inetd installation
08:35
<nosedrum>
with apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd before ?
08:35
<alkisg>
If it tells you that it will remove xinetd, go ahead
08:35
No
08:36
First install openbsd-inetd,
08:36
THEN install xinetd, if it's not already removed due to conflicts
08:37
<nosedrum>
seems to be ok
08:37
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# pidof inetd
08:37
5649
08:37
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# pidof winetd
08:37
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log#
08:37
inetd runs and winetd stopped
08:37
xinetd*
08:38
have to regenerate lstp-image before client boot tests ?
08:38
<alkisg>
sudo ltsp-update-image --force
08:38
(-a i386 etc)
08:38
<nosedrum>
sure
08:38
<alkisg>
It's the easiest way to reconfigure inetd
08:41
(11:36:08 πμ) alkisg: THEN install xinetd, if it's not already removed due to conflicts => of course I meant "then remove" :)
08:41
<nosedrum>
=> blank screnn
08:41
no boot
08:41
...
08:42
xinetd warning on image generation diseppear...
08:42
but client still not booting
08:44
in see nothing in syslog file
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08:48
<alkisg>
nosedrum: ok, let's move on
08:48
Remove quiet splash again from pxelinux.cfg/default so that you don't see the logo
08:48
<nosedrum>
yes please ! ^
08:48
<alkisg>
And, put the output of the following commands to pastebin:
08:48
cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default (after the editing)
08:48
grep filename /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
08:49
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
08:49
ip -oneline -family inet addr show
08:49
ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i368/sbin/init
08:50
After those, we'll need some commands on the client...
08:50
<nosedrum>
http://pastebin.com/ZMy4viwn
08:51
<alkisg>
i368 ==> typo above, I meant i386
08:52
And, image => images :D
08:52
Hehe /me needs to type slower...
08:53
<nosedrum>
sure
08:53
^^
08:54
results of commands seems to be good
08:54
<alkisg>
What's the output of the last command?
08:55
<nosedrum>
ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i368/sbin/init ?
08:55
<alkisg>
Yes
08:55
(corrected of course :))
08:55
ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
08:55
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ip -oneline -family inet addr show
08:55
1: lo inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
08:55
2: eth0 inet 192.168.96.1/24 brd 192.168.96.255 scope global eth0
08:55
3: vmnet8 inet 172.16.114.1/24 brd 172.16.114.255 scope global vmnet8
08:55
4: vmnet1 inet 192.168.146.1/24 brd 192.168.146.255 scope global vmnet1
08:55
<alkisg>
Nope not that one
08:55
The ls command
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08:56
<nosedrum>
sorry
08:56
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
08:56
ls: cannot access /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img: No such file or directory
08:56
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104364 2008-09-30 01:52 /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
08:56
<alkisg>
(11:52:21 πμ) alkisg: And, image => images :D
08:57
<nosedrum>
-___- i'm tired
08:57
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
08:57
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104364 2008-09-30 01:52 /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
08:57
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 755212288 2011-09-01 10:37 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
08:57
<alkisg>
$ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
08:57
The output of this?
08:57
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
08:57
Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
08:57
<alkisg>
So you're running an 9.04 chroot on a 10.04 server?
08:57
Why?
08:58
<nosedrum>
because i upgrade server
08:58
<alkisg>
It's adviced that you create a new chroot on server upgrades
08:58
<nosedrum>
ok let's go
08:58
<alkisg>
OK, do this:
08:58
<nosedrum>
this works on test
08:58
<alkisg>
sudo mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.904
08:59
<nosedrum>
but go
08:59
ok
08:59
<alkisg>
sudo ltsp-build-client -a i386 (and whatever else params you put there)
08:59
<nosedrum>
what params
08:59
?
08:59
just ltsp-build-client -a i386 is ok no ?
08:59
<alkisg>
It's ok
09:00
<nosedrum>
root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ltsp-build-client -a i386
09:00
/usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: invalid option -- 'a'
09:00
LTSP Build Client usage:
09:00
ltsp-build-client <options>
09:00
Regular options:
09:00
--dist set the distribution to be used for install
09:00
--extra-help display help for all available commandline options
09:00
--help display this help message
09:00
<alkisg>
--arch=i386
09:00
<nosedrum>
--mirror set the mirror location
09:00
ok running
09:00
many times
09:00
?
09:00
can i go smoke ?
09:00
:D
09:00
<alkisg>
Yeah, it'll take maybe half an hour
09:01
;)
09:01
But no you can't go smoking. I quit smoking so I try to force others to quit too :P (just joking)
09:05
<nosedrum>
xD
09:05
too late
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<nosedrum>
build client is to libudev0
09:10
still running....
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09:44
<nosedrum>
build client still running....
09:49
<alkisg>
What's your internet speed?! dial up?!
09:50
On my 6mbps connection, it takes 28 minutes, and I even install some extra packages
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09:59
<nosedrum>
on this site this is 512 kbps ....
09:59
but if you want to know i have 10 mbps there
09:59
xD
09:59
still running ....
09:59
oh !
09:59
just finish
10:00
what next ?
10:00
ltsp-update-image and boot client ?
10:01
still there ?
10:01
<muppis>
Yes.
10:01
<nosedrum>
ok
10:01
<Hyperbyte>
Yes.
10:02
<nosedrum>
so
10:02
build-client finish
10:02
just have to ltsp-update-image and boot the client
10:02
?
10:02
<muppis>
Yes.
10:02
<nosedrum>
ok i'll try
10:02
now
10:05
ok ! boot works !
10:05
but logon page is graphicaly decaled
10:06
ubuntu and logon box and trunced on left screen side
10:06
<Hyperbyte>
Do you use one or two monitors?
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<nosedrum>
i'm back
10:12
sorry
10:12
yes
10:12
the graphical problem
10:12
<Hyperbyte>
Wait stop!
10:12
You weren't smoking again were you?
10:12
<nosedrum>
nop !
10:12
^^
10:12
<Hyperbyte>
Okay, carry on.
10:12
:P
10:12
<nosedrum>
ok
10:12
the thin client
10:13
have two dvi output
10:13
i know we can disabled the second output
10:13
but how
10:13
don't remember
10:14
i just connect to client lstp session with VNC and see the desktop extended on two screen
10:14
<Hyperbyte>
How is the screen connected?
10:14
With a DVI->VGA adapter?
10:14
<nosedrum>
but physicaly there is only one screen connected to first dvi output , the second dvi output not connected
10:14
yes with dvi /vga adaptater
10:14
<Hyperbyte>
And there is no DVI->VGA adapter plugged in to the second port, is there?
10:15
Just an adapter, without a screen, maybe?
10:15
<alkisg>
nosedrum: can you login?
10:15
<nosedrum>
yes !
10:15
<alkisg>
OK, login and run:
10:15
ltsp-localapps xterm
10:15
On the xterm that opens, run:
10:15
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGSA
10:15
VGA
10:15
Is it an intel card?
10:16
(or, if you have ssh access to the client, or if you already know it's an intel card... etc)
10:16
<nosedrum>
no intel
10:16
ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
10:16
<alkisg>
What's the output of xrandr, if you run that on a normal gnome-terminal?
10:16
(on the client)?
10:17
Basically we need the output names
10:17
LVDS1, VGA1 etc
10:17
<nosedrum>
seems to be 1024x768 x 2
10:18
<alkisg>
If you run `xrandr --output THE_NOT_CONNECTED_OUTPUT --off`, is your resolution fixed?
10:18
If so, you can put it as a kernel setting
10:19
In pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address
10:19
bbl again :)
10:19
The syntax is video=LVDS-1:d
10:19
(: d => disabled)
10:20
<Hyperbyte>
ATI Radeon should turn off one output automatically I think?
10:21
nosedrum, is there a DVI->VGA adapter in the unused DVI port? Adapter without a screen attached?
10:21
<nosedrum>
so
10:21
<Hyperbyte>
Also, what happens when you connect the screen to the other DVI port and reboot? Does it switch to the correct resolution then?
10:22
<nosedrum>
VGA-0 and DVI-1 are detected connected by ltsp
10:22
i put a xrandr --output DVI-1 --off
10:22
=> solve the problem
10:22
so how can i put this à booting ?
10:22
at*
10:22
<Hyperbyte>
^^^
10:24
<nosedrum>
can i modify something in tls.conf
10:24
like:
10:24
[p3_a96]
10:24
LDM_USER_ALLOW=p3,admindsi
10:24
X_MODE_0=1024x768
10:24
<alkisg>
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
10:24
<nosedrum>
X_OUTPUT_DVI-1=off ????
10:24
lol
10:24
ok
10:25
then ?
10:25
<alkisg>
Beside quiet splash, put: video=DVI-1: d
10:25
without the space
10:25
I put the space before " d" just to prevent the smiley from showing
10:25
Save, reboot. Did it solve your problem?
10:25
<nosedrum>
above or bottom the line ? or on the line aside quiet ?
10:25
<alkisg>
(reboot client)
10:25
On the same line
10:26
quiet splash video=DVI-1:d
10:26
<nosedrum>
:d = disable ?
10:26
<alkisg>
d means disable the output, yes
10:26
It works on intel, but I'm not sure if it works on ati
10:27
<nosedrum>
just save file no update-image ?
10:27
<alkisg>
If it doesn't, you can still do it with lts.conf xrandr commands
10:27
No update-image
10:27
<nosedrum>
save file => rebooot client ?
10:27
<alkisg>
Just save
10:27
<nosedrum>
ok
10:27
<alkisg>
Yes
10:27
<nosedrum>
go tests
10:28
<alkisg>
...and bbl again :)
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10:30
<nosedrum>
doesn't work
10:30
i'll see with xrandr commands on lts.conf
10:30
more difficult is past
10:30
we'll go lunch
10:30
thx for all mens
10:30
i'll be back this afternoon for defenitive report
10:30
see u
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<TheMatrix30001>
Anyone have good links to find out how to push a firefox config to ltsp-localapps firefox
12:19
for all users
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12:34
<nosedrum>
something like that rsync -arv /home/user/.mozilla/firefox/<profile> /opt/ltsp/i386/home/user/.mozilla/firefox/<profile>
12:35
<TheMatrix30001>
users don't have directories on /i386/home?
12:36
that's on the image
12:36
these are thin clients not fat clients
12:36
<alkisg>
TheMatrix30001: is this about the proxy you were asking yesterday?
12:36
<TheMatrix30001>
yea
12:36
i need to set the system proxy
12:36
cause by default that's what firefox and chrome are using
12:37
<alkisg>
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type string --set '/system/proxy/mode' 'manual'
12:37
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type bool --set '/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy' true
12:37
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type string --set '/system/http_proxy/host' 'server'
12:37
gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type int --set '/system/http_proxy/port' 3128
12:37
Something like that works for fat clients
12:37
Localapps shouldn't be different
12:37
<TheMatrix30001>
ok
12:37
let me check
12:37
<alkisg>
Unless gconf isn't running and settings are not applied
12:37
ROOT = your chroot
12:37
Leave 'server' as it is
12:38
Don't change it at all, unless it's not your ltsp server
12:38
(fat clients and localapps know the ltsp server as "server" from their /etc/hosts file)
12:38
<TheMatrix30001>
its not
12:38
the ltsp server isn't running the proxy
12:39
<alkisg>
ok then put the ip there
12:40
!ltsp-update-image
12:40
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-update-image: If you use NBD (e.g. Ubuntu), every time you change something in your chroot (e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386), you need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the thin clients for the changes to take effect
12:40
<TheMatrix30001>
yea, know that part
12:45
<nosedrum>
how to translate the command " xrandr --output DVI-1 --off " in lts.conf ????
12:46
like X_OUTPUT_DVI-1=OFF ??????????
12:47
<TheMatrix30001>
sudo -i; rm -rf /home/*/.gconf/apps/panel
12:47
oops
12:48
wrong window
12:56
<alkisg>
nosedrum: try this: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="DVI-1 --off"
12:57
<TheMatrix30001>
alkisg, for the proxy, is it possible to make it use a wpad file?
12:57
<alkisg>
TheMatrix30001: sure, but all this isn't really ltsp related... better ask it in #ubuntu
12:57
<TheMatrix30001>
k
13:01
i actually can't use sabayon can i on ltsp
13:02
can i
13:02
<alkisg>
Why? Did you see that ltsp interferes with sabayon somehow?
13:02
<nosedrum>
alkisg: YOU ROX ! ;)
13:02
thx again
13:02
<TheMatrix30001>
sabayon writes the server, not the /opt/ltsp/i386
13:03
<alkisg>
nosedrum: you're welcome
13:03
<TheMatrix30001>
ah, it will work, i just have to use sabayon for server apps, not for localapps
13:04
<alkisg>
Right. For localapps you'll need some more work, to copy the settings etc
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<TheMatrix30001>
does this look correct then alkisg, http://pastebin.com/Z13B7jsL
13:17
i need help
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<roasted>
hey guys
13:18
just curious, should I have any DNS info stored in the LTS file?
13:18
I'm having a DNS issue, but ONLY with my clients. if I plug in my laptop to a cat5 line that goes to the thin client boxes, I can ping by hostname fine.
13:18
<TheMatrix30001>
i deleted an entire /home directory for a ltsp user, but when I try to use Firefox i get a Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible
13:18
how do i fix it, i thought if I logged out and deleted the entire /home/user directory
13:18
it would regenerate the file
13:19
also firefox is running as local app on a thin client
13:19
<Gadi>
roasted: try adding DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN to your lts.conf
13:19
I have found that in some of the versions, we don't have the initramfs code to update resolv.conf on the client from dhcp
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<roasted>
Gadi, any ideas offhand what the story is for 10.04 with the default LTSP version?
13:24
<Gadi>
roasted: try adding DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN to your lts.conf
13:24
:)
13:24
<roasted>
Gadi, I also have two DNS servers. Could I add both?
13:24
Gadi, I'm going to :P
13:24
<Gadi>
I think we only support 1 in lts.conf - but I forget
13:24
:)
13:24
<alkisg>
Multiple, space separated
13:24
<roasted>
DNS_SERVER=10.52.1.2,10.52.1.8
13:24
?
13:24
er
13:24
+ space
13:24
<alkisg>
DNS_SERVER="1 2"
13:25
<roasted>
DNS_SERVER=10.52.1.2 10.52.1.8
13:25
alkisg, when you coming to the states so I can pay off my beer debt?
13:25
:P
13:25* alkisg wonders if airline companies accept tickets payment in beers... :)
13:26
<roasted>
alkisg, hey, if they do, I'd make it happen!
13:28
is an update image alone good enough after adding the DNS entries?
13:28
<alkisg>
No need to update anything after modifying lts.conf
13:28
<roasted>
ah, k
13:29
hm, still having an issue.
13:30
it's so strange. I cannot ping by hostname on the clients, however, if I plug in my laptop to the SAME network the clients are plugged into (same switch) I'm fine.
13:30
<alkisg>
well, get a shell on the client and see what goes on
13:30
ltsp-localapps xterm
13:30
getltscfg -a
13:30
cat /etc/resolv.conf
13:31
<roasted>
resolv has the 2 DNS servers we use.
13:31
<Gadi>
are you on a .local domain?
13:31
<roasted>
yes
13:32
<Gadi>
check your /etc/nsswitch.conf 's hosts line
13:32
what does it say?
13:32
<roasted>
files dns
13:32
I edited it
13:32
<pscheie>
Gadi !!!
13:32
<Gadi>
thats good
13:32
pscheie: !!
13:32
<pscheie>
Are you coming to BTS in Oct.?
13:33
<Gadi>
roasted: check your default gateway
13:33
pscheie: I plan to :)
13:33
<alkisg>
When you did "cat /etc/resolv.conf", did you do that on the *local* terminal, or that was your server's resolv.conf?
13:33
<pscheie>
Cool!
13:33
<alkisg>
roasted: Also, see if you can ping with ip
13:33
<roasted>
Gadi, the gateway is different for each NIC because each NIC is on a different IP segment
13:34
servers are .2, gateways are .1
13:34
10.52.17.1, 10.52.17.2
13:34
10.52.18.1, 10.52.18.2
13:34
<Gadi>
the *thin client's* gateway
13:34
<roasted>
sec
13:35
<alkisg>
roasted: pause. run ltsp-localapps xterm. Did you get a local terminal? ALL the commands we mention should be ran in that.
13:35
Don't run anything in gnome-terminal or on the server
13:36
<roasted>
etc resolv - nameserver 10.52.1.2, nameserver 10.52.1.8
13:36
both on different lines of course
13:37
<alkisg>
Can you ping them?
13:37
(with ip)
13:37
(again from the local terminal)
13:37
<roasted>
what's weird is, I can ping www.google.com
13:37
but I can't ping our file server via name
13:37
er
13:38
wrong term
13:38
ping not permitted in xterm
13:38
icmp open socket - operation not permitted
13:39
<alkisg>
dig www.google.com
13:39
Do you get an answer from your dns server?
13:40
Or better: dig @10.52.1.2 www.google.com
13:41
<roasted>
I think Im missing some stuff in my resolv file
13:41
my last server had 4 lines, 2 being nameservers
13:41
search domain or something like that
13:41
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1626167
13:42
<alkisg>
(04:24:01 μμ) Gadi: roasted: try adding DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN to your lts.conf
13:42
<nosedrum>
another question
13:42
<alkisg>
But that only matters if you don't search for a full name
13:42
<roasted>
alkisg, he specified lts.conf
13:42
I'm talking resolv
13:42
<nosedrum>
when i want to apt-get a package un /opt/ltsp/i386 chrooted
13:42
i have to chroot /proc ???
13:42
<roasted>
sec, I need to fire up the old server and see what it has.
13:42
<alkisg>
roasted: whatever you put in lts.conf, ltsp client initscripts put them to resolv.conf
13:42
<roasted>
alkisg, oh, no kidding?
13:43
alkisg, you just earned yourself a keg my friend.
13:43
:P
13:43
<alkisg>
Yeah, that's what we're trying to tell you all this time :)
13:43
<nosedrum>
Because this kind of error:
13:43
the java command requires a mounted proc fs (/proc).
13:43
<roasted>
alkisg, I hadn't known that LTS and resolv are directly affiliated like that.
13:43
I thought they maybe both had to be set up to "talk" properly
13:43
my bad... let me fire up this server though quick and see what its setup was.
13:43
<alkisg>
nosedrum: put the whole command and output to pastebin
13:44
It's possible that /proc needs to be mounted, yes
13:45
<nosedrum>
http://pastebin.com/84ey8gUk
13:46
i don't remmeber the command for /proc
13:46
<alkisg>
nosedrum: while in the chroot: mount -t proc proc /proc; apt-get install -f; umount /proc
13:46
<nosedrum>
alkisg: thx a lot dude ! :)
13:49
<roasted>
bingo.
13:49
that was it
13:49
<alkisg>
roasted: you need to trust people here a little more :
13:49
:)
13:49
<roasted>
alkisg, believe me, I do. I just had no idea lts and resolv were related my friend.
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<roasted>
that said, I need to move on to the next thing.
13:51
as always, gadi, alkisg, thanks for your time
13:53
<map7>
Can I use qemu to boot from my LTSP machine?
13:55
<TheMatrix30001>
xdg-desktop-menu: No writable system menu directory found. when installing chrome
13:55
as localapp
13:57
!topic
13:57
<ltsp>
TheMatrix30001: I do not know about 'topic', but I do know about these similar topics: 'topics'
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<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix30001, do a search for that on the IRC logs. Asked before, solved before.
13:59
...
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<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix30001, do a search for that on the IRC logs. Asked before, solved before.
13:59
<TheMatrix3000>
yea, just did
14:00
<Hyperbyte>
:)
14:00
<TheMatrix3000>
didn't find anything for the exact phrase, looking for parts of it now
14:00
i like the new site
14:00
<Hyperbyte>
1st of august.
14:01
New IRC logs you mean?
14:01
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks. :) Made it myself. :)
14:20
<alkisg>
Can I put a vote on the non-scrollable header? /me hates it... :P :D
14:22
<Hyperbyte>
I will make it even smaller.
14:22
But seriously, will you throw away that 15" CRT you're using and buy a real screen please?
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<alkisg>
Nah, I love my 11" netbook
14:24
But don't make it smaller - just make it scrollable
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<alkisg>
The weird thing is that on android, google-chrome ignores the non-scrollable property, so it's more viewable on my 7" phone than on my 11" netbook
14:26
<pscheie>
Where are the IRC logs?
14:26
<alkisg>
See the /topic
14:27
<pscheie>
BTW, clicking on "more..." on the IRC paragraph on the Support page at www.ltsp.org returns an error
14:29
Oh, very cool! (IRC archive)
14:29
Hyperbyte, you make that?
14:35
<alkisg>
The whole wiki in sourceforge needs some love, it's one of the main subjects of BTS this year
14:35
<pscheie>
alkisg, are you coming to BTS?
14:35
<alkisg>
I hope so, but I'll only come if my UDS sponshorship is approved
14:36
I hope I'll know soon
14:36
<pscheie>
ah, right. You've got a bit of distance to cover to get there.
14:36
<alkisg>
Yeah, the tickets are too expensive
14:36
<pscheie>
Doh! Bought my plane ticket yesterday; today it's $15 less.
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14:37
<pscheie>
Oh well, my price was $15 less than it had been the day before.
14:38
<alkisg>
Haha
14:38
<pscheie>
Yeah, it's always a gamble.
14:40
<TheMatrix3000>
when i install a localapps image do i still have to install the application on the server too
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, that's not weird (the mobile browser ignoring non-scrolling)
14:52
I've set the header as a fixed page element, meaning it will always stay in the same position in the window
14:53
Your mobile browser doesn't handle webpages the same, it treats them as documents and renders them as once... lots of other things about positioning are ignored too.
14:53
pscheie, but yeah, I made that. :)
14:54
<TheMatrix3000>
look at this from Google Chrome as localapp
14:54
http://www.staples.com/Ameriwood-Tiverton-Computer-Workcenter-Expert-Plum/product_718420
14:54
ah crap
14:54
bad copy
14:54
<pscheie>
Hyperbyte, very nice. Good job.
14:55
<TheMatrix3000>
When running Google Chrome under a supported desktop environment, the system proxy settings will be used. However, either your system is not supported or there was a problem launching your system configuration.
14:55
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks. :)
14:55
<TheMatrix3000>
Google Chrome i guess doesn't support ltsp
14:55
haha
14:56
<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, are you crazy?
14:56
<TheMatrix3000>
nope
14:56
screenshot?
14:56
<Hyperbyte>
No.
14:56
It has nothing to do with Google Chrome not supporting LTSP.
14:56
<alkisg>
(05:53:22 μμ) Hyperbyte: Your mobile browser doesn't handle webpages the same, it treats them as documents and renders them as once... lots of other things about positioning are ignored too. ==> nah, I think it just ignores the fixed elements oon purpose, because of the small screen space.
14:56
Other than that, all other elements and javascript work as usual
14:57
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, my point exactly. It renders pages differently on purpose.
14:57
<TheMatrix3000>
then what would cause it?
14:57
http://screencast.com/t/T2gUVnOfao
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14:57
<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, LTSP clients are stripped-down versions of full Linux installations.
14:57
<TheMatrix3000>
yes
14:57
<Hyperbyte>
You're obviously missing something that Google Chrome wants.
14:58
<TheMatrix3000>
hmm
14:58
wonder what it is
14:58
<Hyperbyte>
Correct statement would be that Google Chrome's packages are missing some dependancies
14:58
<TheMatrix3000>
-f will install all then right?
14:58
<Hyperbyte>
Or, that Google Chrome doesn't work on LTSP as localapp out-of-thebox
14:58
But saying Google Chrome doesn't support LTSP is a bit ridiculous. :)
14:58
<TheMatrix3000>
haha
14:59
Google Chrome isn't Out-of-the-Box LTSP Friendly
14:59
<Hyperbyte>
I'm off!
14:59
<TheMatrix3000>
how's that
14:59
<tarzeau>
TheMatrix3000: it's not?
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14:59
<tarzeau>
TheMatrix3000: works like a champion here
14:59
oh i'm not using localapp
14:59
<TheMatrix3000>
firefox works
15:00
<tarzeau>
as localapp?
15:00
<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000: think gconf.
15:00
<TheMatrix3000>
haha, yea, I am using localapp
15:00
<Hyperbyte>
Now I'm really off... later.
15:00
<TheMatrix3000>
gconf is working
15:00
<tarzeau>
localapp would be much slower
15:00
<TheMatrix3000>
proxy settings work under firefox
15:00
<tarzeau>
what clients do you have?
15:00
firefox is much slower, and crashes often (with nfs homes, and remote)
15:00
<TheMatrix3000>
I have 70 1.8Ghz minimum with 2GB ram
15:00
<tarzeau>
and that's what you call thin client?
15:00
<TheMatrix3000>
my server is a Quad Dual Core Xeon
15:01
8GB RAM
15:01
so 8 cores, 8gb ram
15:01
using a RAID 10 NFS Server with 1TB
15:01
<tarzeau>
we got about the same amount clients, but more like 500/1600 mhz and 512/1024 mb memory
15:01
<TheMatrix3000>
for /home directories
15:01
on a gigabit ethernet
15:01
<tarzeau>
two servers load balanced in ldm each with 12 and 16 gb memory and 4 and 8 cores
15:02
<TheMatrix3000>
ha, nice
15:02
<tarzeau>
each machine 2-5 tb diskspace i think
15:02
<TheMatrix3000>
if i had more powerful servers, then i'd do less localapps
15:02
<tarzeau>
our users have separate machines to run jobs (like two workstations with 16+48 cores, 128 gb memory)
15:02
TheMatrix3000: how's your server not powerful enough?
15:03
<TheMatrix3000>
firefox my friend
15:03
<tarzeau>
TheMatrix3000: gigabit network?
15:03
<TheMatrix3000>
firefox and flash is the devil
15:03
<tarzeau>
TheMatrix3000: remove firefox and use google-chrome
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<TheMatrix3000>
do you allow flash on there tarzeau?
15:06
<tarzeau>
TheMatrix3000: yes
15:06
but we have two ltsp servers, and it's not like all our users look flash stuff all the time at the same time
15:06
most just write latex in emacs, and render it, read pdf documents, print stuff
15:06
read and answer emails
15:07
run oneliners in mathematica, maple, idl, matlab etc
15:07
<TheMatrix3000>
so you are saying just run chrome on the server
15:08
in your personal opinion
15:08
<tarzeau>
yes
15:09
i guess you use LDM_DIRECTX = True , right?
15:09
<TheMatrix3000>
no
15:09
<tarzeau>
no?
15:09
<TheMatrix3000>
i leave it encrypted
15:09
<tarzeau>
maybe you should
15:09
<TheMatrix3000>
we have private data on the network
15:09
cc numbers etc
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<tarzeau>
but it's YOUR network, isn't it?
15:10
<TheMatrix3000>
we have to meet PCI compliance
15:10
<tarzeau>
and we also have a windows server with RDP
15:10
oh then get a bunch more powerful servers or really run chrome/flash locally :)
15:10
<TheMatrix3000>
i plan on doing LTSP-Cluster soon so
15:10
<tarzeau>
why not stuff disks on the local things, and drop the ltsp part? :)
15:10
<TheMatrix3000>
centralized management
15:10
on ltsp is so nice
15:10
<tarzeau>
is it?
15:10
<TheMatrix3000>
and replacing PC's is a cake
15:10
yes
15:11
<tarzeau>
we have centralized managed workstations (with local disks)
15:11
<alkisg>
Why not completely fat clients, instead of localapps?
15:11
<tarzeau>
it's so nice!
15:11
<TheMatrix3000>
ah, i thought about that
15:11
<alkisg>
(ltsp-based)
15:11
<tarzeau>
TheMatrix3000: not so, here
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<TheMatrix3000>
we don't have hard drives in all the computers
15:11
either
15:11
so
15:11
<tarzeau>
buy them? they are cheap
15:11
<alkisg>
!fatclients
15:11
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
15:12
<alkisg>
You don't need hard drives...
15:12
<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg, we talked about fat clients before
15:12
<alkisg>
Over gigabit fatclients are actually faster than standalone clients
15:12
<TheMatrix3000>
haha
15:12
<alkisg>
Boot time = 12 seconds vs 50 seconds, on the same lab
15:12
ok
15:13
<TheMatrix3000>
so i can still modify chroot
15:14
<alkisg>
?
15:14
<TheMatrix3000>
when i restart the fat client it downloads the image right
15:14
doesn't need a hard drive?
15:15
<alkisg>
No
15:15
Fat clients are like localapps
15:15
It's just that everything is a localapp
15:15
So sabayon actually works, gconf works, file associations work etc
15:15
It's much easier to manage imho
15:15
<TheMatrix3000>
so i can use sabayon on the server
15:15
and it will affect all of the clients as well
15:16
<alkisg>
Not exactly. You install sabayon in the chroot.
15:16
<TheMatrix3000>
or do i have to an ltsp-update-image --fat-client
15:16
<alkisg>
You don't even need X on the server with fat clients
15:17
<TheMatrix3000>
so how do i make a sabayon config or gconf setting stick to all the fat clients at once
15:17
<alkisg>
You work directly in the chroot, however you want
15:17
<TheMatrix3000>
but when i restart a client it will redownload the chroot
15:18
<alkisg>
The chroot is a networked disk. It works like a usb disk. Only needed sectors are fetched, not all of it is downloaded at once
15:18
So you can have e.g. a 5 gb chroot, and boot a 512mb ram client with it
15:19
<TheMatrix3000>
ah, that explains why i see a download of 70mbps when someone opens firefox
15:19
lol
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<TheMatrix3000>
btw, backbone is gigabit
15:19
each client has their own 10/100
15:20
<alkisg>
Bandwidth-wise, a hard disk is faster than a 100mbps network
15:20
But in the server most of the chroot is cached in ram
15:20
So seek time is basically zero
15:20
That's why it's so much faster than local installations
15:21
<TheMatrix3000>
so if i have 1gb ram on a fat client i am fine
15:21
<alkisg>
Yup
15:21
It's the same as now, where you tried a localapps firefox
15:21
<TheMatrix3000>
and i can edit the chroot without having to do ltsp-update-image
15:22
<alkisg>
Fat clients have the same performance as localapps, more or less
15:22
See the wiki page for a how to
15:22
<TheMatrix3000>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
15:22
im already reading it
15:24
<alkisg>
Backup your whole /opt/ltsp dir before trying fat clients, so that you can revert with a simple mv
15:25
<TheMatrix3000>
man
15:25
lol
15:26
can you do ltsp-cluster with fat clients
15:26
<alkisg>
Cluster is for server load balancing, right?
15:26
<TheMatrix3000>
eh, more redundancy
15:26
<alkisg>
I don't think you'd ever need that with fat clients
15:26
<TheMatrix3000>
being able to turn off a client and turn it on if it stops working
15:26
<alkisg>
You can do load balancing and redudancy at the dhcp level, with multiple nbd servers in your network
15:27
<TheMatrix3000>
ubuntu doesn't do the dhcp
15:27
because we have multiple subnets
15:27
<alkisg>
Any pc with 1gb ram will do just fine for a fat client server
15:27
<TheMatrix3000>
using the same ltsp server
15:27
<alkisg>
So it's very easy to have multiple servers for redundancy
15:29
<TheMatrix3000>
also, the reason why we use localapps
15:29
is often times our people will have 15+ tabs open
15:29
with google documents that are huge spreadsheets
15:30
<alkisg>
localapps are the same as fat clients, so you'll notice no difference in the number of tabs etc
15:30
<TheMatrix3000>
like 30 sheets and a couple hundred rows
15:30
ok
15:30
but to update the fat clients i need to do the chroot update
15:30
then just restart the fat clients
15:30
<alkisg>
To create a new chroot, see the wiki page
15:30
<TheMatrix3000>
and they are good?
15:33
<alkisg>
One difference between localapps and fat clients is that when you click on a link that contains a spreadsheet, with fat clients it will open on a local openoffice, while with localapps you need to enable remoteapps and configure ltsp-open to open it on the server etc, it's more tricky
15:33
<TheMatrix3000>
ah ok
15:33
also if the ltsp server crashes the thin clients still run?
15:33
<alkisg>
If you boot a pc with an ubuntu live stick, and remove the stick, does it still work?
15:34
<TheMatrix3000>
never tried it
15:34
<alkisg>
If you boot a pc, and remove its disk, does it still work?
15:34
(the answer is no, since it will have no access to its disk)
15:34
(in all 3 cases)
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<alkisg>
There are methods to have nbd proxy servers (like xnbd) which provide even more load balancing + redundandy, and allow the ltsp server to be powered off, while the clients still work
15:40
But the proxy will need to be online
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<TheMatrix3000>
so 1gb ram on a p3 1ghz will work fine as a fat client
16:07
and be faster than it is now
16:08
<alkisg>
Fat clients are like local installations
16:08
So imagine that you inserted a local disk on that machine, and installed ubuntu on it
16:08
<TheMatrix3000>
and ran it from the ram and not the hd
16:08
<alkisg>
No, from the hard disk
16:08
If that will be faster than what you have now, then fat clients will also be faster
16:09
If not, nope
16:09
<TheMatrix3000>
but i dont have hard drives
16:09
<alkisg>
That's why I said "imagine"
16:09
<TheMatrix3000>
nor will i be able to order them
16:09
ha
16:09
ok
16:09
<alkisg>
Fat clients are as fast as local installations, more or less
16:10
So, a p3 1 Ghz will work, but won't be very fast with a recent ubuntu/gnome. It'll be faster with e.g. a debian/lxde.
16:10
<TheMatrix3000>
Ubuntu Desktop Edition 1 GHz x86 processor (Pentium 4 or better) 512 MiB of system memory (RAM)
16:10
<alkisg>
And a core 2 duo / 2 GB RAM will be very fast.
16:10
Try with a live usb stick
16:11
Or an external usb disk
16:11
You'll get an idea of how fast it will be..
16:12
<TheMatrix3000>
k
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<alkisg>
Remember, you've already seen how fast your clients will be, they'll be as fast as your local firefox runs.
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<TheMatrix3000>
and you are saying administration of the fat clients is easier?
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<alkisg>
From localapps? Usually, yes. From thin clients? Certainly not.
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<TheMatrix3000>
well since i use thin clients and localapps it would be easier
16:49
and it would make my chrome setup actually work and use the proxy right?
16:49
and applications should work or run better
16:49
because they are running from the local machine and not over the network and the server
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<TheMatrix3000>
?
18:27
alkisg, did you get my last reply?
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<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: I think it would take less time to actually create a fat chroot and test for yourself, than to try answer so many questions. :)
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<TheMatrix3000>
ok, can i run a fat-chroot and a thin-chroot at the same time
18:46
and italc works on fat clients better right?
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<jammcq>
pscheie: ping
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<john_s>
looking for help with alternate language support with local apps
20:29
<vagrantc>
john_s: and be patient :)
20:30
<john_s>
heh!
20:30* _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat
20:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anybody tried out localapps in 11.10 yet?
20:30
I just put in a bug - 839042
20:30* vagrantc is still using 6.0
20:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
it seems that masquerading does not work properly as it had in 11.04
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<john_s>
vagrantc: I've been trying to figure this out off and on since march. Running Ubuntu 10.04
20:31
<vagrantc>
john_s: there are many clever folks here, but they may not knkow the details of your problem enough to solve
20:32
john_s: with localapps, if you figure out the exact steps needed on a standalone box, then we can maybe figure out how to replicate those steps for localapps
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<vagrantc>
john_s: have you posted a thread on the ltsp-discuss mailing list?
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<john_s>
vagrantc: sorry, I was called away. Yes I posted back in march http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg39401.html
20:44
vagrantc: The steps needed on a standalone box are System>Preferences>Ibus Preferences> Input Method to add japanese language support. The a hot key combo to use it
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<Gadi>
john_s: have you tried: ltsp-localapps ibus-setup?
20:58
and see if it gives you the same thing as on the server?
21:00
<TheMatrix3000>
almost done building my new fat client
21:00
i guess its so much easier to build either thin clients or fat clients
21:00
not thin clients with localapps
21:00
lol
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: hi
21:03
<alkisg>
Hey :)
21:03
<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: almost done building that fat client, then on to test it in my subnet
21:04
alkisg: using fat clients italc will work too won't it
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<john_s>
gadi: Yes I can launch the ibus stuff via local apps, however the ipus widget reports "no input window" when I click on it. Which I take to mean that it doesn't "know" about the local firefox running in it's environment
21:04
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: If it works on thin for you, it'll work for fat too, and you'll even be able to control the login screen
21:05
<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: i have never been able to get it working on the thin
21:05
<alkisg>
Decide what best suits you first, and see about italc later. It doesn't matter much, thin or fat, for italc.
21:06
<Gadi>
john_s: the ibus widget runs on the server and will only know about apps connected to the server dbus
21:06
(ibus uses dbus)
21:06
you would need to launch a localapps version of the widget
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<Gadi>
that one will know about the localapps connected to the local dbus
21:07
dbuses are on parallel streets ;)
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<john_s>
gadi: I think I am doing that. Here's a pastebin of what I am up to http://pastebin.com/4t3quWXe
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<TheMatrix3000>
booting up the fat client now
21:44
alkisg: can I use Ubuntu Software Center from a FatClient to update the image
21:45
ha nope
21:45
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: no. I'd like to make the ltsp chroot bootable with vbox one day though, that would allow someone to use graphical programs to customize his chroot
21:46
You might have some success with read/write nfs or nbd, but I haven't tried it
21:46
<TheMatrix3000>
!flashplayer
21:46
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: Error: "flashplayer" is not a valid command.
21:46
<TheMatrix3000>
!flash
21:46
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
21:46
<TheMatrix3000>
!flashplugin
21:46
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: Error: "flashplugin" is not a valid command.
21:47
<TheMatrix3000>
!ltsp is useless
21:47
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
21:50
<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: how do i train the bot
21:51
<alkisg>
!learn learn as to add factoids to the LTSP bot, type: !learn factoid as text
21:51
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
21:51
<alkisg>
!learn
21:51
<ltsp>
alkisg: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
21:52
<alkisg>
Oooops
21:52
!factoids
21:52
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command.
21:52
<alkisg>
!learn factoids as to add factoids to the LTSP bot, type: !learn factoid as text
21:52
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
21:52
<alkisg>
!factoids
21:52
<ltsp>
alkisg: factoids: to add factoids to the LTSP bot, type: !learn factoid as text
21:52
<TheMatrix3000>
ha nice
21:52
ok
21:53
to update a fat client image i do a ltsp-update-image -a i386 -b fat-i386
21:53
right
21:53
<alkisg>
What is that -b?
21:53
<TheMatrix3000>
base
21:53
i have 2 images
21:53
<alkisg>
No, -a fat-i386
21:53
<TheMatrix3000>
one is thin client
21:53
oh ok
21:54
<alkisg>
You can use the fat chroot to boot thin clients, or even thin clients with localapps
21:54
You don't need many chroots (except for testing)
21:54
Just specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
21:54
<TheMatrix3000>
how does the thin client know its not a fat client then?
21:54
oh
21:55
ha, the thin client information works too
21:55
rofl
21:55
<alkisg>
What are your current fat client specs? CPU/RAM?
21:55
<TheMatrix3000>
ha, it tells me to use ltsp cluster control
21:56
its in a vm right now
21:56
Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz
21:56
cause that's what my pc is
21:56
<alkisg>
Ah, so it should be going fast
21:56
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
21:56
very
21:56
im going to limit it here in a sec
21:56
to 1ghz and 1gb ram
21:57
ha, shutdown actually works now
21:57
before it would only log you out
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<TheMatrix3000>
ok i hqf3 q p4ogl3m
22:03
ahaha, oops
22:03
ok, now I have a problem. When I log in I do not have any panels
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<alkisg>
!reset-panels
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<ltsp>
alkisg: reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u $USER gnome-panel
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<TheMatrix3000>
do i do that on the ltsp server, or while chrooted in the fat client
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<alkisg>
Erm, when you're working at a fat client, you're not chrooted
22:10
You run that command while working on a fat client, as the user that has the panel problem
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg, it does boot faster
22:15
ok need help
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can't run that command
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how do i get up a terminal session
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<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: you run that command in a normal session
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Where you're experiencing the probelm
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problem
22:18
You open gnome-terminal normally, and run that command normally
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No special terminal sessions involved...
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Ah you mean how to get a terminal without the panels :D
22:19
Press alt+ctrl+t
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Or, alt+f2 and write gnome-terminal
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Or right click on the desktop and create a launcher
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;)
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'night all
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