IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 28 November 2011   (all times are UTC)

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04:39
<bakytn>
Hello! After the last ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernels My thing clients are showing (initramfs) prompt and "Error: failed to connect to NBD server <ip>:2000"
04:42
it was working fine for couple of months
04:45
!initramfs
04:45
<ltsp>
bakytn: Error: "initramfs" is not a valid command.
04:45
<bakytn>
!echo initramfs
04:45
<ltsp>
initramfs
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06:22
<bakytn>
hey there! The stupid question....but please answer :D With NBD we have the .img file right which is then mounted to the remote machine (the client). The client should download that whole image?
06:23
because my .img file is now 2Gb's which is...large actually
06:23
and clients are loaded very long (more than 5 minutes)
06:23
<alkisg>
No, it's like having a network usb disk
06:23
<bakytn>
alkisg, hi! Thanks!
06:23
<alkisg>
The client only reads the "sectors" it needs
06:23
<bakytn>
got it!
06:23
<alkisg>
So the network disk can be many times bigger than the client RAM
06:23
ok :)
06:24
If you have fat clients, try re-enabling nbd compression, it helps a lot
06:24
I wrote about it in the fat clients wiki page
06:24
<bakytn>
I have thin clients but thanks!
06:24
<alkisg>
Thin clients with 2 gb image?
06:25
<bakytn>
:D
06:25
I don't know why it's so large right now
06:25
<alkisg>
Do you have a lot of localapps?
06:25
Or it's just 10 old kernels there? :D
06:25
NBD compression will lower boot times in your case too.
06:25
<bakytn>
I have about 10 localapps
06:26
<alkisg>
Right, so check the fat client page on how to enable nbd compression
06:26
!fatclients
06:26
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
06:26
<alkisg>
That should about half your boot time...
06:26
<bakytn>
btw! if I set multiple SCREEN_XX it would mount nbd as many as I have those screens?
06:26
<alkisg>
No, just once
06:26
<bakytn>
alkisg, I have a 1Ghz CPU (ARM) with 1Gb ram
06:27
and diskless
06:27
the FatClient would be okay for these deivces?
06:27
<alkisg>
Do you run firefox as a localapp? Is it ok?
06:27
<bakytn>
it was o.k.
06:27
<alkisg>
Then yes :)
06:27
<bakytn>
last time I tested :D
06:27
but my goal is to create a single app system with ICA client (Citrix)
06:28
so..was fighting with it
06:28
<alkisg>
You don't need a linux desktop at all then?
06:28
<bakytn>
I have no option ;(
06:28
<alkisg>
I mean, why have localapps or fat clients if you don't want a linux desktop?
06:28
<bakytn>
don't have time to mess with WinCE
06:28
<alkisg>
A tiny thin image should suffice for your needs
06:28
<bakytn>
yes...we decided not to use Linux desktop for now
06:29
<alkisg>
Sure, whatever suits you
06:29
<bakytn>
yes. I will reduce my image (probably just reinstall everything from scratch)
06:29
<alkisg>
I do think that a local linux web browser would be 10 times faster than citrix ica, but whatever suits your needs
06:29
<bakytn>
I was just curious about fat clients
06:29
will test
06:30
no, the idea is that...users would load their ThinClients and see the citrix ica (XenDesktop)
06:30
a VDI solution
06:30
<alkisg>
Yes, that's quite slow
06:30
<bakytn>
need to test
06:30
the best way would be to use their own boot servers
06:30
<alkisg>
X over lan can show video without dropped frames. Nothing else can, from what I've tested so far (I've tested citrix ica)
06:31
E.g. try to play a fullscreen youtube video with ica, and with a localapps or fat browser, and check the difference
06:31
Anyway, you need to test before trying the alternatives, so go ahead and test
06:31
<bakytn>
yeah I used to watch fullscreen flash videos when we used Linux desktops
06:31
alkisg, yes. test test and test..
06:31
Thanks! :D
06:32
<alkisg>
np
06:32
bakytn: a btw you could probably also use local VMs in your chroot
06:32
E.g. a single windows 7 virtualbox image (or whatever virtualization technique works on arm) that runs windows on top of it
06:33
And is served by ltsp
06:33
Keep that in mind for a future test
06:33
<bakytn>
what? any links?
06:33
this could save my life
06:33
<alkisg>
Nope, I haven't ever googled for it
06:33
I've done it though, but no idea if that's doable with arm
06:33
<bakytn>
interesting!
06:33
<alkisg>
Does arm processors support some VM that can run windows?
06:34
(apart from emulating a processor with qemu, which would be too slow)
06:34
<bakytn>
moment
06:35
you mean...that you installed VirtualBox to the chroot
06:35
with single vm?
06:35
for every client
06:35
<alkisg>
Yes, and create deleteable snapshots on the fly for each user with the same .vdi as the snapshot root
06:36
So I only need disk space for 1 .vdi
06:36
And when I want to install a program, I only install it once
06:36
And I can even give admin access to the clients, as their changes are lost on reboot (not their documents though)
06:37
KVM should work on ARM, not sure how windows will work over that
06:43
<bakytn>
hm
06:43
niiic
06:43
niiice
06:44
the main goal is smooth user experience and sound + microphone. (video is not critical)
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<steelrat405>
Hello all
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<steelrat405>
of course have a question hoping someone has a moment .... I am running a new Ubuntu 11.10 and ltsp 5.2.16 I am trying to get the system to auto login and bring up a rdesktop login. All I am getting is a black screen with a white pointer. If I boot in ltsp then run rdesktop from gui or commandline I am able to connect. Any guidence would be appreciated
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<andygraybeals>
did you disable that 3d desktop monstrosity?
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<steelrat405>
Since I do not know what you mean probably not
22:25
thanks for taking a second
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<alkisg>
Do you really want to login into gnome first, and automatically run rdesktop, or you want to run rdesktop without logging in?
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The second one is more common
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<andygraybeals>
compiz ... lemme see if i can remember how to get the bot to give us the instructions
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<steelrat405>
ideally all I need is to run rdesktop
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<alkisg>
Then don't bother with autologin
22:26
Just set SCREEN_07=rdesktop in your lts.conf
22:26
What's your lts.conf like now? Paste it to pastebin:
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!pastebin
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<ltsp>
alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<steelrat405>
my lts.conf is blank except for mac address, screen_07 with RDPserver now
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<alkisg>
Here's a start. Put this in your lts.conf:
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[mac:address] (or [Default])
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SCREEN_07=xterm
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Then reboot the client, you'll get an xterm. Run rdesktop etc from there
22:30
If you can login from there, you just put that command in SCREEN_07=rdesktop params
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<steelrat405>
http://pastebin.com/Unzuau9D lts.conf current making requested changes now
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<alkisg>
[default]
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#LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True  
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[00:E0:4C:19:AC:4A]
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==> that's a problem
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Empty sections are a syntax error
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(comments don't count as entries)
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So either delete [Default], or put a fake entry, e.g. FOO=BAR
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<steelrat405>
ok will delete and retry
22:33
came up to shell as expected : )
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<alkisg>
Good, now try to rdesktop from there, e.g. you might have networking problems
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<alkisg>
E.g. you may need to do NAT on your LTSP server
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<steelrat405>
quite possible since win server is not in same subnet just threw me off that I could boot into the ltsp desktop and run the rdesktop with no issues
22:36
when I run rdesktop I get a message that "Autoselected keyboard map en-us" then just sits there
22:38
ok bet your right finally timed out with unable to connect
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<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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<steelrat405>
Thank You I am working through that document right now
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<steelrat405>
That was it I am working now (except for screen resolution) but I think I can fix that as always thanks for the solution!!!!
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<alkisg>
You're welcome
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