IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 2 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:54* alkisg wonders if we could have an udev hook that launches cdpinger and ltspfsd the first time some media is inserted, in order to save RAM for really low ram clients
05:55
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
05:55
<ltsp>
alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#3) implement LDM_[PRE|IN|POST]SESSION_CMD, or (#4) put IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels, or (#5) prefer kernels from img rather than dir, or (#6) LDM password hash, or (#7) check remoteapps in fat clients
05:55
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo as launch ltspfsd/cdpinger upon first media insertion
05:55
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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11:54
<PhoenixSTF>
hey guys, i am setting up ltsp-cluster for the 1st time, All my servers are going to be on KVM and I am wandering how much disk space I need in the root server?
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12:17
<markit>
PhoenixSTF: I've never deploied cluser, just about KVM want to make you aware about Proxmox project http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
12:17
(I use kvm in proxmox for my ltsp test machines)
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<PhoenixSTF>
markit, ty :)
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14:38
<markit>
alkisg: I'm in a hurry, but just to inform you... I've been able to make it work with sshfs, is ssh_follow_symlink that creates that lnusertemp error, that I was not able to solve
14:38
I'm going to return the server too school now, it's not perfect but works
14:38
<alkisg>
markit: didn't get it, so all is ok now?
14:38
Ah, good
14:39
<markit>
I've to understand how kde uses caching and subscribe to some dev mailing list to ask and ask for improvements
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even if probably they don't have the resources to fix it
14:39
I've also some scaring kde crashes of some service, but I've no more time
14:39
I'll tell the teacher just to ignore them :)
14:40
hope to be able to install HP multifunction printer and have it work
14:40
<alkisg>
HP printers usually work out of the box
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<markit>
yep, seemd so, but I had crashes of the entire server with previous install
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that I "fixed" installing their binary
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or installing the printer with their setup, not cups one
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I'll cross my fingers
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really is like walinking on eggs
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I'm more and more scared about this... is so stressful
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<imincik_>
hi, I would like to ask if anybody is using LTSP with Gnome 3. It is not a much about on the web.
15:01
<muppis>
Gnome Shell?
15:02
And with which distro?
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<alkisg>
There are many sessions available for Gnome 3: gnome shell, gnome fallback, unity, unity 2d... all of those work fine with LTSP, but those sessions that require 3D accelleration don't work on thin clients, only on fat LTSP clients
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15:47
<markit>
any awk or whatever genious that can transform a passwd file without the home field in one that has it?
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15:51
<markit>
found
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<imincik_>
I am trying to run Gnome Shell on Debian Wheezy thin client
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You say only only fat client setup is available ?
16:01
Why ?
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<alkisg>
!g
17:47
<ltsp>
g: Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:48
<alkisg>
imincik_: 3d accelleration over the network either sucks or doesn't work at all, so only gnome-fallback or unity-2d work on thin clients
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18:11
<imincik_>
thanks for information, but what latest ubuntu 12.04 which offers unity 3d as ltsp ?
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<alkisg>
It doesn't, unity 3d only works with fat clients
18:12
It's unity 2d that works with thins
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<imincik_>
so thank you very much for this confirmation
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<alkisg>
Debian wheezy does support ltsp fat clients, if you have good enough clients for that
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<imincik_>
Yes, I will go with fat clients
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Currently I am just going to buy them.
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Thanks a lot for help. There is not much to read about 3d support with ltsp
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<alkisg>
Google for 3d remote X
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LTSP just uses remote X, it doesn't do anything special there
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18:45* alkisg just tried virtualgl in a vbox VM, and the real Xorg crashed... :D
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22:21
<kieppie1>
hi all.
22:21
I'm new to LTSP, but have been using Linux (pref. Ubuntu, Debian) for a while now
22:22
I've recently completed my ERPXE setup (a KVM MV), & got a number of Raspberry Pi's - thinking of deprecating my fat dektops in favor of something along the lines of LTSP clients
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Can anyone please talk to me this if you have a similar setup, or maybe correct me if I have any incorrect assumptions?
22:26
I'm also curious re the more wizz-bang GUI interfaces over remote sessions, i.e 3D hardware-acceleration. it's not *quite* ripe AFAIK
22:26
so that would mean not compositing available for stuff like Unity desktop (& definately not even elementary gaming)
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<markit>
kieppie1: I've not such a setup, I can copy and pasted something has been discussed here some hours ago
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[19:48] <alkisg> imincik_: 3d accelleration over the network either sucks or doesn't work at all, so only gnome-fallback or unity-2d work on thin clients
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kieppie1: of course, you have to create a chroot of the architecture of raspberry
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and of course a thin client is ok for office usage, schools, but not games :)
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btw, I've ordered a raspberry myself from RS, still waiting it after 3 months, sigh
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<kieppie1>
yea - that's my experience too. does not mean it's not feasible, but not ready yeat or very, VERY tricky. in the KVM space, the SPICE project attempts to address this as VDi exists & persorms well in VirtualBox & VMWare
22:47
<markit>
even if has not enough ram to be useful OMHO, 512MB have costed 5$ more but...
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<kieppie1>
I got my RasPi's from Element 14 − 1st one took long on pre-order, but the other 5 arrived withing a week or 2 from order
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<markit>
anyway, I've gotta go, I saw your message just because I was going to close the program :)
22:49
bye
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<kieppie1>
Well, the RasPi is actually a pretty good case: the device has 3D HA, so it can handle client-side rendering pretty-well. if the server can do some sort of "pre-render" & compression & the (RPi) client presentation & IO
22:49
bb
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<Hyperbyte>
kieppie1, problem isn't in hardware accelleration, it's in availability of compositing
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Compositing is X server feature, which window managers and the like can use for 3d features
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Since window managers run on thin client server, and X runs on the clients, compositing needs to work over remote X. I think that's where difficulties begin.
23:11
Either way, European here too. G'night. :)
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