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Channel log from 26 April 2016   (all times are UTC)

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02:03
<susan>
iam seem moniter ip dcp client connected server
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02:22
<rac>
Good morning, I am having problems sharing printers on ubuntu ltsp-pnp 16.04lts. I've printer configuration in lts.conf, in client printer is able to print fine, but how shering printer to another client. if using ubuntu ltsp 12.04lts all clients can automatically print. Can anyone help me ?
02:23
lts.conf
02:23
[Mac Address] PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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04:04
<rac>
help
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04:48
<alkisg>
rac: do you have epoptes installed?
06:01
<rac>
yes, I have epoptes
06:01
<alkisg>
rac, ok, run this for me to take a look:
06:02
!vnc-dide
06:02
<ltsp`>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
06:13
<alkisg>
rac, never mind, time for me to go, another time maybe.
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07:40
<rac>
sorry, was I there are some problems in the office so could not reply to your message. Can we start again?
07:41
problem with client printer in ltsp-PNP
07:41
mr alkisg
07:44
if I print test with browser http: // localhost: 631 / printers / iP2700-series. printer goes well, but if printed with the document "Generic Printer"
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07:59
<rac>
mr alkisg : can you help me ?
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08:29
<laro>
Hello everyone, here I am again n_n`
08:30
<alkisg>
Hi laro
08:30
<laro>
I finally got fat clients workign with ltsp-pnp
08:30
thanks to you alkisg :)
08:30
but they can't access internet
08:30
<alkisg>
Nice!
08:30
You have a dual nic setup, right?
08:30
<laro>
yes
08:30
they resolve dns
08:30
<alkisg>
You need a script for natting
08:31
!nat
08:31
<ltsp`>
nat: To set up NAT in your LTSP server, set its internal IP to 192.168.67.1 and put http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/debian/sch-scripts.if-up to /etc/network/if-up.d/sch-scripts. This also takes care of flow-control issues, possibly increasing your network speed 10 times. :)
08:31
<alkisg>
Let me do that for you, it only takes 1 minute...
08:31
!vnc-edide
08:31
<ltsp`>
vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
08:31
<laro>
ok
08:32
hope that vnc works with my proxy
08:32
<alkisg>
Ah no
08:32
Do the other one
08:32
!vnc-dide
08:32
<ltsp`>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
08:32
<laro>
then I need the other one
08:32
<alkisg>
...and put the -proxy parameter too
08:33
laro: enter your password for sudo -i there...
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08:37
<alkisg>
laro: your clients should be able to access the internet, and your local network should be much faster now
08:39
<laro>
I dont have the gigabit switch yet
08:39
<alkisg>
...although you'll need gigabit connection from your server to your switch :)
08:39
<laro>
yep
08:39
what about the proxy ?
08:39
Do I have to go client by client setting it up?
08:40
thanks a lot btw, I dont know how could I have done that...
08:40
<alkisg>
From what I saw, the clients have internet just fine
08:40
<laro>
in browser, they get an "application blocked" message
08:40
<alkisg>
I wanted to put that if-up scripts to ltsp-pnp, but vagrantc had objections :)
08:41
<laro>
nevermind
08:41
well the one I set the proxy up is working fine
08:41
the other one has that message
08:41
<alkisg>
You can set system-wide settings with mandatory gsettings
08:41
I think gnome also has a menu for that, doesn't it?
08:41
<laro>
for example? ^_^'
08:42
<alkisg>
Go to the proxy menu and check if it has an "apply system-wide" button there
08:42
Not in firefox; in gnome
08:42
<laro>
no, it hasn't
08:43
I can set auto, manual, and scirpt
08:43
<alkisg>
Ah, it's mate. I don't know if it supports it via a dialog, or if you have to do it with mandatory gsettings.
08:43
It's not related to ltsp, so you can just google about "set proxy for all users gnome"
08:43
<laro>
oh ok
08:44
gnome and mate is the same?
08:44
<alkisg>
"for all users mate"
08:44
:)
08:44
<laro>
ok
08:44
thanks again
08:44
:**
08:44
<alkisg>
mate is a forked older version of gnome
08:44
np :)
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10:29
<alkisg>
lbssousa: hi, I'm interested in starting to support multiseat in ltsp, could you give me a crash course on which method is best to support?
10:29
I think the main ones are (1) xephyr based, the one you've sent your patches against xorg, and (2) different gpu per user, which linux, systemd, xorg, lightdm etc support out of the box, right?
10:30
I'm thinking that (2) will be much easier to support initially, won't it?
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15:19
<sbalneav>
Morning all
15:19
I'm forging ahead with finishing off my long-planned-for work in libpam-sshauth. Specifically, getting the ssh tunnel set exactly once.
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15:49
<sbalneav>
vagrantc:
15:49
10:19:55 sbalneav I'm forging ahead with finishing off my long-planned-for work in libpam-sshauth. Specifically, getting the ssh tunnel set exactly once.
15:49
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok!
15:50
sbalneav: i forget where we were at with lightdm-webkit-greeter*
15:51
<sbalneav>
ah, one sec...
15:51
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: maybe only lightdm-webkit2-greeter
15:51
<sbalneav>
right, only that.
15:51
<vagrantc>
not sure if there was anything else, too
15:51
<sbalneav>
He's done some updates
15:51
Now the theme is included in the base tarball.
15:51
<maldridge>
have either of you had issues where lightdm-webkit-greeter will fail to unload and you get a dead window left after the user has logged in?
15:51
<sbalneav>
No.
15:52
<maldridge>
hmm, maybe one in a hundred logins I'll have a user that gets lightdm stuff left open in thier session
15:52
<sbalneav>
We use lightdm-webkit-greeter in production every day.
15:52
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ah right, i remember there being a theme that was a git submodule or something
15:52
<maldridge>
same here, I wonder if this is an ubuntu-ism
15:52
<sbalneav>
Which version are you using?
15:53
<maldridge>
best way to check?
15:53
<sbalneav>
How did you install it?
15:53
From source?
15:53
<maldridge>
no, its whatever's the latest ubuntu package for 14.04
15:53
<sbalneav>
dpkg -l | grep lightdm-webkit-greeter
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15:54
<maldridge>
0.1.2-0ubuntu2
15:54
<sbalneav>
very old, and buggy.
15:54
<maldridge>
... that is ancient
15:54
<sbalneav>
https://launchpad.net/lightdm-webkit-greeter
15:54
I've fixed many bugs since then.
15:55
vagrantc: How much time do we have left to get new packages in the next debian?
15:55
I'd like to get lightdm-webkit2-greeter and this new version of libpam_sshauth in.
15:55
<maldridge>
sbalneav: I've noticed, on the 2.0 build we're using a different underlying platform which has the new version
15:56
I shall just hurry up and wait until I get my summer maintenence window
15:56
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the freeze has been pushed back to early 2017 ... obviously, the sooner the better
15:56
<sbalneav>
ok.
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15:57
<sbalneav>
I'll have the new libpam_sshauth going in a week or two. I'm coding now, then I'll be testing.
15:57
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so the upstream tarball still includes their silly theme?
15:57* vagrantc really wishes themes were separate from the code that runs them
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16:00
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Yes, but now it's not a git submodule.
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16:03
<vagrantc>
so it'll actually uidl with just the default git tree :)
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16:04
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: is lp:~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-pam-examples still the primary source?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: that was just a proof-of-concept of your prose descriptions turned into a package :)
16:07
sbalneav: don't think i've touched it in ages
16:08
it needed some reworking to work with current libpam-sshauth
16:08
(or some other breakage)
16:08
<sbalneav>
ok, cool, I'll work from there.
16:10
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i'd really like to figure out a configuration that can be used on the getty that doesn't give passwordless root access if root has no password
16:10
<sbalneav>
is libpam_sshauth doing that?
16:10
<vagrantc>
i don't know what's doing it
16:11
quite possibly a bad pam configuration, but i don't have an example of a good one for a getty
16:11
i *think* it also impacted the display manager in the same way ... root GUIs for all!
16:13
<sbalneav>
so, by root having no password, you mean /etc/shadow has root:!:... and not root::....?
16:13
Or * instead of !
16:14
<vagrantc>
it's been so long since i've tested
16:14
sbalneav: in your setups, does root typically have a password?
16:14
<sbalneav>
We still run with a root password, yes.
16:14
But if you want to have no password, you have to put SOMETHING in the field.
16:15
You can't have it empty.
16:15
So you have to put X or ! or * or something in the field that's impossible for any of the crypt routines to produce.
16:15
<vagrantc>
right
16:16
<sbalneav>
So if something's letting you log in with something in the field....
16:16
that would be... bad.
16:16
<vagrantc>
i don't think ltsp-build-client does anything special with regards to passwd.
16:16
<sbalneav>
I'd need to see the common-auth in /etc/pam.d
16:17
<vagrantc>
i know normally you can't login as root on the getty
16:17
<sbalneav>
You shouldn't be able to
16:18
unless there's a valid password set
16:18
<vagrantc>
root:!*:16913:0:99999:7:::
16:20
<sbalneav>
hm
16:20
out of curiosity, try changing it to:
16:20* vagrantc will try to reproduce it and get back with more details
16:20
<sbalneav>
root:*:16913.....
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok, so i strongly suspect pam_permit
16:39
which is obvious ... but i guess my question is why did we need it at all?
16:40
sbalneav: auth required pam_sshauth.so debug host=server nostrict shm_askpass
16:40
sbalneav: account required pam_permit.so
16:40
in /etc/pam.d/login
16:41
or, is the pam_exec line supposed to prevent from getting to pam_permit
16:56
sbalneav: with just:
16:57
auth required pam_sshauth.so debug host=server nostrict shm_askpass
16:57
session required pam_sshauth.so debug host=server nostrict shm_askpass
16:57
pamtest doesn't ask a password for root, but does for other users
16:58
and /etc/shadow: root:!*:16913:0:99999:7:::
16:59
on the server, /etc/shadow has: root:!:16838:0:99999:7:::
16:59
that said, without pam_permit, it doesn't actually log in on the console
17:00
sbalneav: well, if you've got any ideas, be happy to do more testing
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18:36
<bennabiy>
Has anyone else had an issue where thin clients do not have a proper window manager after generating image?
18:37
I am logged directly into the server and I can get on, but through LDM, no panel
18:40
<vagrantc>
what desktop environment are you expecting?
18:40
!panel
18:40
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'panel', but I do know about these similar topics: 'gnome-panel', 'reset-panels'
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18:57
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: This is 16.04 mate
18:58
ps shows that everything is running, but nothing shows except a desktop with icons
18:58
mate-panel is running, marco is running, but nothing displaying
18:58
This is with a newly generated home folder as well
18:59
only on the thin clients though, not directly on the server
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19:06
<bennabiy>
alkisg: any thoughts on why this would happen?
19:06
<vagrantc>
!reset-panels
19:06
<ltsp`>
reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u $USER gnome-panel
19:06
<vagrantc>
!gnome-panel
19:06
<ltsp`>
gnome-panel: to completely reset gnome-panels: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
19:06
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: that sounds like a similar bug i'd seen with gnome2 (which is basically the same as MATE)
19:06
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: thank you... will that work with mate-panels as well?
19:06
<vagrantc>
not sure
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: ok
19:07
<vagrantc>
i mostly was aware of other people encountereing it, didn't encounter it myself directly
19:10
<bennabiy>
hrm
19:10
didn't seem to work
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<Hyperbyte>
I've had the same issue with an x2go session
19:11
I fixed it by hacking a custom Xsession script that does gnome-session --session=fallback and then manually loads gnome-panel, etc.
19:12
LTSP clients worked, but not x2go logins.
19:12
You could investigate session scripts, maybe your LTSP use a different default session than the local logins.
19:13
Which is very possible, since one uses lightdm's settings and the other ldm's settings.
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<bennabiy>
I tried with default session, and MATE session
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<bennabiy>
I GOT IT!
19:19
It is a case of the screen thinking it has two monitors (I gforgot to do my LVDS fix)
19:20
so the panel etc is on the "other" screen
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21:05
<sbalneav>
!paste
21:05
<ltsp`>
paste: try !pastebot
21:05
<sbalneav>
!pastebot
21:05
<ltsp`>
pastebot: try !pastebin
21:05
<sbalneav>
!pastebin
21:05
<ltsp`>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
21:06* vagrantc watches sbalneav take the !pastebin rollercoaster
21:06
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/WQHZmQ7D
21:07
So, the next rev of the libpam_sshauth module actually queries the remote server
21:07
gets the uid and gid of the user.
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then, in the pam_exec script, it will do the ssh, and setuid the process.
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So we don't need to write the passwd out to a file like before.
21:08
Just one tunnel, created once.
21:08
<vagrantc>
that sounds better.
21:08* sbalneav so happy
21:08
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: that python snippet is what's called from pam_exec ?
21:09
<sbalneav>
Yes, it's what will create the tunnel.
21:09
Here's the cool bit.
21:09
If you're root, you can STILL USE the tunnel.
21:09
That's what we were missing before.
21:09
I'll be working on this the rest of the week.
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21:10
<sbalneav>
I haven't synced my changes yet, but that will come once I've tested.
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<syrius>
are there any command-line ltsp tools for querying connected thin clients?
23:00
enumerating rather..
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other than parsing 'who' output to associate the username w/ an ip
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