IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:05
<sbalneav>
alibaba: The client can run the application, through localapps
00:05
but most people run all the apps on the server.
00:08
<johnny>
you don't need nfs mounted /home for regular ltsp usage
00:08
that's for a particular extension of ltsp..
00:08
<alibaba>
I read the 54 pages documentation yesterday very carefully and now I am not sure if LTSP is really the right choice. What I want to to is running all applications for ~5 users (in total) entirely on one fat host. Including the KDE desktop for everyone.
00:08
<johnny>
it is pretty recent (at least the supported version of it)
00:08
that's ltsp
00:08
that's exactly ltsp )
00:08
:)
00:09
sbalneav, looks like you might wanna get some advice here
00:09
alibaba, can you help us improve the docs?
00:09
<sbalneav>
alibaba: yes, if that's what you want to do, then ltsp does exactly that.
00:09
<johnny>
tell us what made you think what was the main function of ltsp
00:09
<alibaba>
Why not? But first I must understand.
00:09
<johnny>
vs .. an option
00:10
alibaba, you had trouble understanding the docs.. we want to make it so you can understand them :)
00:11
<alibaba>
Well, I am no Ubuntu user, I am a OpenSuSE user. OpenSuSE heavily uses KIWI. Yesterday I got the impression that nobody here knows kiwi-ltsp.
00:11
<johnny>
we don't..
00:11
not really
00:12
they decided to go some funny route with ltsp
00:12
so it's not quite ltsp anymore
00:12
altho.. it really should work just like ltsp in most use cases
00:12
just use their instructions instead of ours..
00:12
<alibaba>
I have no problem with NOT using kiwi-ltsp. The slimmer the whole thing is, the better.
00:13
<johnny>
i haven't had a reason to try open suse.. or suse of any kind.. last time i had it was suse6
00:13
i think..
00:13
nah.. i don't remember now..
00:13
<alibaba>
:) I would never touch something else.
00:13
<johnny>
i got the cd somewhere between 1998 to 2000
00:13
<sbalneav>
If you're looking for a kiwi guy, cyberorg's your man.
00:13
<johnny>
yeah..
00:13
talk to cyberorg .. he is the guy who mostly maintains it..
00:14
sbalneav, i think alibaba would be happy with regular ltsp on suse.. but i don't know if our suse plugins are enough up to date for that
00:14
<alibaba>
Where I stucked with my first try was, that it didn't load the config file.
00:15
The client dot his IP address, loaded the first linux kernel, then it looped waiting for a config.
00:15
Nobody could help, I only got diffuse answers...
00:18
<sbalneav>
johnny: not sure.
00:18
cyberorg's THE kiwi-ltsp guy, I'd keep an eye out for him...
00:18
!seen cyberorg
00:18
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: cyberorg was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <cyberorg> ftherese, that has nothing to do with ltsp, just follow instructions about network scanning, configure ltsp servers as client for scanner, all ltsp clients will be able to use that
00:19
<alibaba>
Can you describe me how a client of a fat host actually works with ltsp?
00:25
I understand in in this way, that the client boots a linux through PXE and then behaves identical to a usual Thin Client with embedded Linux, only that it uses something different than xdmcp. Is this correct?
00:25
Actually this is what I am looking for, nothing else.
00:26
<sbalneav>
We use our own display manager, LDM, which, for all intents and purposes is a graphical front end to ssh
00:26
we ssh -x into the server, and start the X session (gnome, kde, what have you)
00:26
12:30 midnight here, I'm off to bed.
00:26
night all
00:26
<alibaba>
Good night.
00:27
Somebody still here then? (here it is 7:30 in the morning! :)
00:33
johnny: What is the major difference between the "standard" ltsp and the "kiwi-ltsp" ?
00:44
What are the advantages of LDM compared to xdmcp ?
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01:11
<alkisg>
stgraber: would you agree on this? http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m6d58fa24
01:11
It uses an xprop instead of a file, so that localapps are not required to be enabled.
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02:54
<tessier>
Hello all!
02:55
I have a Term 1520 from disklessworkstations. I want to get dual-head working on it. Anyone know of any docs for this?
03:04
<Appiah>
what video driver does it use?
03:15
<tessier>
Intel
03:15
I think I have googled enough to get going...xrandr seems to be the trick.
03:15
Now I realize I can't even get X running so that I can run xrandr.
03:16
system-config-display set it up with Intel driver etc. But X seems to exit without any (EE) errors reported.
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03:16
<tessier>
Almost seems like it isn't happy with any of the defined or probed modelines or something.
03:17
<alkisg>
tessier: there are some XRANDR* lts.conf settings for that, but I think only Gadi knows their magic :)
03:17
So better come back when he's around, in 8 hours or so...
03:18
<tessier>
http://pastebin.ca/1699834
03:18
See anything wrong with that Xorg log?
03:19
<alkisg>
You'll need some stuff like XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 = "LVDS-1" and XRANDR_OUTPUT_1 = "LVDS-2 --right-of LVDS-1" in lts.conf, but I really don't know the correct parameters. See the ltsp logs in 23 Oct 2009 for a related chat.
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03:24
<alibaba>
Hello, I currently give ltsp (precisely: kiwi-ltsp) another try. Is somebody here who can guide me, please?
03:25
<alkisg>
alibaba: for kiwi-ltsp, or opensuse in general, I think cyberorg is your only chance. cyberorg ^^^
03:25
<Appiah>
or the kiwi-ltsp channel
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03:25
<Appiah>
or the suse forums
03:25
<alkisg>
or the mailing list :)
03:26
<Appiah>
dont they have a well documented wiki for that type of install?
03:26
<alibaba>
I hate mailing lists.
03:26
<Appiah>
dont be a hater man! :)
03:26
<tessier>
Ah. wm not installed.
03:26
<alibaba>
I don't want to find all my questions during next 10 years in google...
03:27
<Appiah>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP#Quick_start_guides
03:27
<tessier>
alibaba: But it is good for other people to find them.
03:27
alibaba: Because they may have the same questions
03:27
<alibaba>
Well, I re-installed this stuff now, but my tftp .../boot/ is empty. I remember there was a file inside.
03:28
tessier: A wll-documented project rises no questions. ;)
03:28
<tessier>
alibaba: No such thing
03:28
There is just way too much hardware and configurations out there
03:29
<Appiah>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start looks easy
03:29
think even I should give it a try on a VM
03:29
<alibaba>
where do I get images to be used by the clients?
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03:30
<Appiah>
if its anything like LTSP it should build the image
03:30
ltsp-build-client
03:31
but I'd suggest you do it the kiwi way .. whatever way that is O_o
03:31
<alibaba>
There is no standard image? :(
03:32
<Appiah>
umm
03:32
there's a standard way to build that image
03:32
I mean , the system gets updated
03:32
packages change
03:33
to come with a different pre-built image would just be a waste of space imho
03:34
some use i386 , some use amd64
03:34
seriously , what docs are yuo following alibaba ?
03:46
<alibaba>
Ha, cyberorg is in kiwi-ltsp....
03:49
I downloaded an OOO doc from novell.
03:49
<Appiah>
O_o
03:49
link please?
03:50
<vicd>
for example, i use OpenSuse as LTSPserver but Ubuntu as ltsp chroot
03:50
sorry my english
03:50
<Appiah>
may I ask why vicd ?
03:50
<alkisg>
vicd: is that with a kiwi image?
03:51
<alibaba>
I downloaded it yesterday, don't find the link again. But I can put the doc on my server for you...
03:51
<vicd>
kiwi to hard to modify
03:51
<Appiah>
or just say the name and I can find it
03:52
<alibaba>
The title of this doc is: KIWI-LTSP Documentation
03:53
<alkisg>
vicd: I *think* that the minimum specs for Ubuntu LTSP clients is 64 RAM, while kiwi needs 128 RAM. So in your case that would work with 64 RAM clients?
03:53
<alibaba>
https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/education/trunk/docu/kiwi-ltsp/
03:53
(found it again)
03:54
<alkisg>
brb
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03:54
<vicd>
alkisg: i don't think so, in both cases it needs more then 128
03:55
<Appiah>
installing suse now
03:55
gonna se how much trouble i'll run into when putting on ltsp
03:56
or if any at all :)
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03:56
<alibaba>
I am still not sure if ltsp is the right choice. I'd prefer something that boots through PXE a totally independend system and accesses then the host through a common interface (i.e. xdmcp or so). Actually the client should act like a bought "embedded linux Thin Client"
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03:57
<alibaba>
ltsp seems to have lots of dependices between server and client.
03:57
Or am I wrong?
03:58
<alkisg>
Yes, it needs distro integration
03:58
<Appiah>
what do you mean?
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03:58
<alkisg>
And even DE integration, for remote sound, usb sticks etc to work
03:58
<vicd>
alibaba: i recommend ltsp.org site to undestend how it works. i started there
04:00
<alibaba>
Well, the server will be a really strom machine. AMD64 Phenom II X4, 8GB RAM, 64-bit OS 11.1. The clients will be weak: VIA C7 1500MHz 32bit, 1GB RAM. As they only have to display a picture and deal with kbd/mouse this sould be enough.
04:00
Will this work?
04:00
<alkisg>
That's not weak, you should put localapps on them (i.e. tell firefox/flash to use the local CPU)
04:01
<alibaba>
They will have to do enough with the KDE desktop... ;)
04:01
<Appiah>
powerfull TC's you got
04:01
use localapps
04:01
like alkisg said , put firefox on the TC
04:01
<alkisg>
You can't efficiently watch a video with LTSP or any other similar remote technology
04:01
<Appiah>
and Video player
04:02
<alibaba>
Iwould be happy if one starts up at all. :|
04:02
<alkisg>
With a local vlc... right
04:02
alibaba: well.. you could e.g. have ubuntultsp up and running in 1 hour, to see how it works for you. Then, once you've seen it and had a little experience with it, you could try again the opensuse way...
04:03
You should even be able to try it with the live opensuse-edu dvd
04:07
<alibaba>
I do now the whole stuff again. I chose the 1-click install for SuSE 11.1 (as this is what I am running on the server).
04:08
<Appiah>
Suse base install is BIG
04:08
still installing
04:09
<alibaba>
It downloaded now kiwi-ltsp-bootimages.... Sounds good.
04:10
There is another system out there, using NX. This is really only a dumb client which accesses the host. Do you know it?
04:10
<ogra>
alkisg, i suppose you didnt see my ping about shutdown/reboot anymore yesterday .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPClientShutdownReboot is about two years old and might do what you want
04:11
<alibaba>
Actually I do not want to run anything on a client. I want to have everything to 100% in the host (makes administration much easier, I think).
04:11
<alkisg>
ogra: we still need to send a patch to gnome-session
04:11
<ogra>
why gnome-session ?
04:11
why not indicator-session
04:12
<alkisg>
ogra: I've sent a patch for indicator-session, but the developer said it'd be better if we send it to gnome-session instead,
04:12
so that e.g. if I press the poweroff button in my laptop, and I get the gnome logout dialog, it would still work
04:12
<alibaba>
ha, now I have two files in boot/ of tftp server.
04:13
<alkisg>
ogra: So now I'm trying to construct such a patch. It as simple as setting an xprop, but I've yet to find out where to put it... :(
04:14
(gdm_set_logout_action in gnome-session/gdm.c looked like a great place, but for some reason it's not working)
04:16
<alibaba>
I HAVE A LOGIN PROMPT NOW :D :D
04:16
<alkisg>
BTW, I tried the indicator-session approach, and it worked like a charm!
04:16
<ogra>
alkisg, because a) thats very old code for the old gdm version and b) gdm uses dbus (as *everything else* in the desktops nowadays) to find out about your credentials
04:17
<alkisg>
ogra: what old code? I'm trying to put that in the new gdm code
04:17
<ogra>
for the gdm version thats not used anymore
04:17
<alkisg>
It uses dbus, CK and PK..
04:17
<ogra>
new gdm does everything through dbus
04:18
<alkisg>
Sorry, isn't gnome-session in Karmic for the new gdm?
04:18
<ogra>
ah, then it might have been updated ... still
04:18
no dbus connection between client and server, no credentials
04:18
in future versions of gnome and kde not even the applets will work
04:18
<alkisg>
Right, so it always shows "restart" as enabled even if the user has no rights to reboot the server
04:19
But that's the CK part. Our patch goes later on, when the action is called...
04:19
<ogra>
since everything asks dbus first for info about CK ... the server side CK wont give them to you because it only allows local sessions to control anything
04:19
<alkisg>
ogra, right now, on Karmic, the restart menu is enabled for LTSP clients
04:19
<ogra>
you need to have dbus talk to the client CK to get enough permissions
04:20
<alkisg>
It isn't a permissions problem
04:20
<ogra>
yes, i told you yesterday ::)
04:20
it is
04:20
the restart menu option wont do anything
04:20
that it's shown is a bug
04:20
<alkisg>
ogra, I do have a working version of that
04:20
<ogra>
that it's not working is intentional due to the CK prob i talked about above
04:20
<alkisg>
The restart menu works fine here.
04:20
<ogra>
i mean without hacks
04:21
<Appiah>
alibaba: what did you do?
04:21
<alkisg>
ogra: ok, let'
04:21
<alibaba>
The client has a very weak onboard graphic via unicrome. The client started up but shows now something like standard VGA resolution.
04:21
<alkisg>
ogra: ok, let's get this from the start. I can't help in integrading the server/client dbus sessions. What do you propose that I do?
04:21
<alibaba>
Appiah: I installed again the 1-click setup on top of the old one. (Now I must look what it changed on my server...
04:22
<alkisg>
ogra: I *can* send a 2-lines patch in gnome-session that would make the menus work. Just those 2 lines.
04:22
<ogra>
alkisg, no idea, what i'm saying since two days is that 80% of the desktop will soon stop working
04:22
<Appiah>
what did you do last time when it did not work then?
04:22
<ogra>
applets talk through dbus, gnome-settings-daemon talks through dbus ... gconf will soon talk through dbus
04:22
<alkisg>
ogra: but why? gnome-session checks for PK, and if it isn't there, it doesn't ask for authorization...
04:23
PK isn't installed in the chroot
04:23
<ogra>
if nobody tackles the dbus situation the desktop wont work anymore anyway
04:23
<alkisg>
Why would it break then?
04:23
<ogra>
because CK wont give any permissions for non local sessions
04:23
<alibaba>
How do I configure a better resolution for the client, please?
04:23
<ogra>
you guys will run into bigger probs soon
04:23
<alkisg>
ogra: ok let me ask this the other way: what is going to change?
04:24
<ogra>
so instead of adding hack over hack someone needs to fix dbus anyway, else ltsp wont work anymore
04:24
alkisg, i told you above ...
04:24
<alkisg>
But ***currently*** gnome-session uses dbus, and it works
04:24
<ogra>
*all* communication will go through dbus very soon
04:25
<alkisg>
You mean other programs? Not the session problem?
04:25
<ogra>
bacuase you hack around the prob
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04:26
<alkisg>
ogra: well, I really can't help with dbus, I haven't even made a glib program yet. So should I go on with the patch, or should I completely leave it?
04:26
<ogra>
well, your patch helps short term
04:26
<alibaba>
Appiah: How far is your install process?
04:26
<ogra>
but for lucid or latest for lucid+1 the dbus prob has to be fixed, else gnome and kde will stop working
04:26
<alkisg>
ogra: I offer to do what I *can* do... I can't do any dbus work... maybe in a few years, when I'll be more experienced with g*.
04:26
<Appiah>
still installing suse
04:27
~600 packages left
04:28
<alibaba>
Appiah: Yes, SuSE needs longer as it installs more "complete" than all Debians I have seen. (My friend uses Ubuntu. I see no day where he needs apt-get. :))
04:28
<ogra>
bloated i would say rather :)
04:28
<Appiah>
I dont want more "complete" aka bloat
04:28
I want to install just the stuff I need :D
04:28
<alkisg>
ogra: I understand that that is really significant, and it would solve a lot of problems and hacks that we're using etc. But I can't help with dbus, so until sbalneav find the time to tackle it, I can only help with small patches... And I wouldn't want Lucid to go out with showing, but non-working restart/shutdown menus...
04:29* ogra only uses apt-get once after finishing an ubuntu install and then never again
04:30
<ogra>
alkisg, no, it wouldnt "solve a lot of problems" ... the desktop will stop working without it ...
04:30
it *has to happen* anyway
04:30
else ltsp needs to default to something like xfce or openbox
04:30
<alkisg>
OK. Still. Can't help there :) So I either do what I can, or nothing at all :)
04:30
<ogra>
right, do your patch ...
04:31
but be aware that it might be obsolete even before lucid releases
04:31
<alkisg>
I wish!
04:31
<ogra>
because the prob needs to be fixed within the next 6-12 months
04:31
<alkisg>
...but I'm not too optimistic about sbalneav finding the necessary time until Lucid... :(
04:32
<ogra>
well, as i said, the desktop *will stop working*
04:32
someone *has to fix it*
04:33
<alkisg>
I understand, but I can't help. If it breaks, all ***I*** can do is keep using older releases until it's fixed :(
04:34
<ogra>
you will have to :)
04:38
hmm, who is mgariepy ?
04:38
apparently sbalneav gave him/her branch access out of the blue
04:39
<alkisg>
I've seen some of his patches before, but I've never seen him here
04:39
<ogra>
ah, he is a colleague of stgraber
04:39* ogra hugs launchapd :)
04:39
<ogra>
*pad too
04:39
<alkisg>
Heh :)
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05:08
<zamba>
i'm looking for an exam mode for ltsp.. i want to boot up a computer similar to a kiosk mode, but instead of firefox i just want to give the users access to openoffice
05:08
i guess this is possible to get working, but how?
05:09
just access to openoffice and the possibility to save on an usb stick
05:12
<alibaba>
Appiah: Seems to work here now. :)
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<ogra>
zamba, use autologin in LDM and create an ~/.xsession that calls the apps you want
05:19
then copy it into the home of each user
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05:34
<alibaba>
How can I configure sound? As far as I remember, sound should be transported to the client even if an app ist operated on the server from it?
05:35
All I hear is a little (continuous) hisssssssss, so the sound is activated. But I hear nothing.
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<Appiah>
alibaba: :)
05:45
<alibaba>
What?
05:45
<Appiah>
well now you should check the suse wiki's and such
05:45
or the lts.conf
05:46
dunno how suse handles that
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06:51
<alkisg>
stgraber: I have the gnome-session patch ready and tested, should I send them the one based on the xprop version or on the /tmp/ldm-logout-action version? http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m6d58fa24
06:52* alkisg moves on to patch iTalc to correctly call logout via dbus...
06:56
<alkisg>
Btw, gnome-session only needed the following 4 lines in an already-existing patch file, 95_dbus_request_shutdown.patch:
06:56
if (g_getenv ("LTSP_CLIENT")) g_spawn_command_line_async("xprop -root -f LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION 8s -set LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION HALT", error);
06:56
if (g_getenv ("LTSP_CLIENT")) g_spawn_command_line_async("xprop -root -f LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION 8s -set LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION REBOOT", error);
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07:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
hello world!
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07:55
<zamba>
ogra: will usb stick work with that?
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08:37
<silvergti>
hello
08:39
can anyone give me some information about nbd-server and nbdswapd?
08:39
got a lot processes of these two running :(
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08:42
<Gadi>
silvergti: provides network swap space to your diskless clients
08:42
NBD_SWAP=False disables it
08:42
<silvergti>
Ok Gadi, thanks :)
08:43
but is it normal to have a lot of them running? some of them from September!
08:44
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:44
<Gadi>
silvergti: you will have a pair (nbd-server + nbdswapd) for each client booted
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<sbalneav>
silvergti: right. One thing to check is if you've got the keepalive statements in hosts.allow
08:46
paste your /etc/hosts.allow to the pastebot
08:47
<silvergti>
my hosts.allow only got this: nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
08:48
<ogra>
duplicate that line for nbdswapd
08:48
and restart openbsd-inetd
08:48
<silvergti>
like: nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
08:49
<ogra>
right
08:50
<silvergti>
restarting the service wont affect running sessions?
08:51
<alkisg>
stgraber, Gadi, sbalneav: Anyone willing to help a toddler on his first steps? E.g. I'd like to have this patch reviewed, and maybe committed...: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m7b7f935c
08:55
<sbalneav>
silvergti: shouldn't :)
08:55
As usual, no guarentees
08:55
<silvergti>
ok, i ill do it later, when people leaves :)
08:56
<sbalneav>
alkisg: seems fine to me.
08:56
<silvergti>
thanks for the help :)
08:56
<sbalneav>
alkisg: as for comitting, email it to me, and I'll do it for you a bit later.
08:57
dealing with the (fallout|issues) of our mail server migration from yesterday :)
08:57
<alkisg>
sbalneav: heh, I was worried about learning all this commiting stuff, but yup, emailing would be the best way! Thanks! :)
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<alkisg>
Patch for LTSP clients to properly reboot/shutdown: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
09:31
sbalneav, stgraber, ogra: the maintainer (chrisccoulson) told me he'd like an "OK" from someone in order to apply the patch... so if anyone wants to verify that the patch works, please do :)
09:31
<Appiah>
who are affected by this bug?
09:31
I have not seen a shutdown/reboot issue with my TC's
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<alkisg>
Appiah: Karmic?
09:35
Appiah: LTSP clients were never able to reboot from within gnome
09:36
<Appiah>
oh
09:36
<alkisg>
That patch makes it possible to reboot them from the gnome indicator-session applet
09:36
<Appiah>
_within_ gnome
09:36
<alkisg>
It also makes it possible to reboot them with a dbus call, eg. with iTalc
09:36
<Appiah>
:)
09:36
dont think any of my users even has that allowed
09:36
nice
09:36
have yet to try iTalc again *sigh*
09:37
<alkisg>
Appiah: unfortunately there's no policykit on the chroot, so checking for permissions isn't possible :)
09:37
That's why in Karmic those menus are enabled for everyone, even if they wouldn't have permission to reboot the server
09:38
But in LTSP the users are always able to reboot the clients from LDM, so there isn't a permission issue...
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<pyxus>
Hi, someone know how force a NIC detection?, when the client boot y receive the error message "Could not automatically detect the network card....", someone have the same problem?
10:49
<johnny>
that probably means the network card isn't in there..
10:49
network card driver that is..
10:50
you will probably need rebuild the initial boot file to include your network card driver
10:51
<pyxus>
thanks johnny, y see in the niclist file but i don't know what number is for my networkcard...
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<pyxus>
and I try adding the word "NIC=tg3" in the kernel command line but y receive a error in the IO option, do you know what is the correct value in the IO option? by default in the dhcpd.conf is IO=0x300
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<alkisg>
pyxus: what distro/version are you using?
11:14* alkisg has tg3 on his laptop, and works fine as an ltsp client...
11:14
<pyxus>
fedora 11 with ltsp 3
11:14
<johnny>
doubtful..
11:14
that's ltsp5
11:17
<pyxus>
ok, but i need use the version 3 because is a requeriment by a project in my school
11:23
thanks I will investigate more if is possible with this version... thanks to all
11:25
<alkisg>
pyxus: you might have understood something wrong in your project, afaik ltsp 3 and even 4 have been dead for quite some time.
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<pyxus>
ok, thanks alkisg I will ask my teacher if I can use the version 5
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<johnny>
there is no veresion 3
11:43
pyxus, your teacher must be talking about version 3 of something else..
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<Gadi>
johnny: there was a version 3
11:48
<johnny>
was
11:48
yes
11:48
<Gadi>
as well as a 2 and a 1
11:48
:)
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<dro>
i know this isn't a ltsp question but
12:10
I seem to be getting bus error often on 9.10
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when I try to run a program
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<ftherese>
I moved /home/{users} to a new drive and mount it nfs in order to have the users home directories shared across multiple servers. now I am getting an error with Gconf, "dbus-launch failed to execute" when I try to open firefox among other programs. It is not a serious error in the case of firefox, but is for other programs. I found what seems like the same problem on a discussion group, but didn't find the working solution.
13:18
What do I need to do? What nfs lock program needs to be running where?
13:20
rpc.statd/rpc.lockd? Portmap? on the nfs server? on the other servers? on the thin clients?
13:30
<sbalneav>
Where are you mounting the home dir? Back under /home?
13:31
Can you show your /etc/fstab on the pastebot?
13:31
!pastebot
13:31
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
13:31
<ftherese>
it is mounted in /home/shared/{user}
13:32
<sbalneav>
Well, then it's not their home dir anymore
13:33
their $HOME still points to /home/user, right?
13:33
<ftherese>
I changed all the user's home directories (usermod -m -d /home/shared/{user}
13:33
<sbalneav>
ooooh
13:33
bad move
13:34
When their accounts were all set up, it probably writes all the paths in their .files (i.e. .firefox, etc) to things like /home/user
13:34
you've now yanked all that away, and stuck it in a completely different place.
13:34
<ftherese>
well... most of the users are users I created after changing the home drive
13:34
dir
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<sbalneav>
ok, do THEY work correctly?
13:35
<ftherese>
and I created them with the home directory
13:35
nope
13:35
<sbalneav>
ok, so 3 things I want to see:
13:35
1) a paste of a line from getent
13:35
i.e. getent passwd user
13:36
2) your fstab entry for the mount
13:36
<ftherese>
infobureau:x:1006:1006:Infobureau,,,:/home/shared/infobureau:/bin/bash
13:36
<sbalneav>
3) ls -ld /home/shared/user
13:36
<ftherese>
I paste binned the first
13:36
second sorry
13:37
<sbalneav>
and I'm supposed to find it by mental telepathy? :)
13:37
<ftherese>
ah
13:37
<sbalneav>
Or are you gonna paste the link?
13:37
<ftherese>
I thought It would automatically put it here
13:37
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m4feb80fc
13:37
drwxr-xr-x 50 infobureau infobureau 4096 2009-12-03 20:14 /home/shared/infobureau
13:37
<sbalneav>
cifs?
13:38
<ftherese>
that would be another share
13:38
the server3.local:/home/shared /home/shared nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
13:38
<sbalneav>
ah. ok
13:38
<ftherese>
is the one where the home dirs are
13:39
do I need to mount it nolock or something?
13:39
<sbalneav>
ok, what's the exact error you're getting?
13:39
<ftherese>
I saw that at one point
13:39
<sbalneav>
no, heavens no
13:39
<ftherese>
ok
13:39
<sbalneav>
you NEED locking
13:39
<ftherese>
Le contact du serveur de configuration a échoué ; causes possibles : vous n'avez pas activé le réseau TCP/IP pour ORBit ou des verrous NFS non valides existent suite à un blocage du système. Voir http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ pour plus d'informations. (Détails - 1: La connexion à la session a échoué : Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session)
13:40
I went to that page
13:40
and it does address the problem with two possible solutions
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<ftherese>
but I don't know how to do the rpc.statd/rpc.lockd thing
13:41
<sbalneav>
What package did you install on the nfs server? nfs-kernel-server?
13:41
<ftherese>
and I tried the one suggesting setting GCONF_LOCAL_LOCK
13:41
yes, UBUNTU 9.x
13:42
<sbalneav>
No, you shouldn't need to set anything
13:42
have a check in /tmp
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<ftherese>
which tmp?
13:42
<sbalneav>
does the user have a <user>-gconf dir there?
13:42
the one on the nfs client.
13:43
<ftherese>
virtual-infobureau.AvoHW7
13:43
but no gconf
13:44
<sbalneav>
did you install the nfs-common package on the nfs client machine?
13:44
<ftherese>
the client server or the thin client?
13:45
<sbalneav>
dpkg -l | grep nfs-common
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<ftherese>
it is on the client server
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and not on the thin client
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<sbalneav>
Doesn't need to be on the thin client itself
13:48
just on the thin client server
13:48
<ftherese>
it is there
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<sbalneav>
ps -ef | grep rpc
13:50
on the thin client server
13:50
<ftherese>
statd 2059 1 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/rpc.statd
13:50
<sbalneav>
should have rpc.statd and rpc.mountd
13:50
<ftherese>
root 2500 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:02:54 [rpciod/0]
13:50
that's it
13:52
<sbalneav>
dpkg -l | grep nfs-common
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<ftherese>
ii nfs-common 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu1
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<sbalneav>
hm
13:59
I use NFS home dirs here all the time.
13:59
on the nfs server:
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<ftherese>
any ideas?
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<sbalneav>
ps -ef | egrep "lockd|nfsd|mountd"
14:01
<ftherese>
root 10 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:07 [kblockd/0]
14:01
root 2371 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 [cifsoplockd]
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root 14578 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 [lockd]
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<sbalneav>
the nfsd's aren't there?
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<ftherese>
that was all that I got listed
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<sbalneav>
on the nfs server:
14:03
dpkg -l | grep nfs
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<ftherese>
oops
14:03
I wasn't on the nfs server
14:04
on the nfs server:
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root 2531 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 [nfsd4]
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<sbalneav>
to the pastebin please
14:04
there's going to be a few lines
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<ftherese>
root 2532 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:03:51 [nfsd] * 8
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and root 2543 1 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:03 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd --manage-gids
14:05
along with the kblockd cifsoplockd and lockd
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<sbalneav>
No lockd?
14:06
there is a lockd?
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<ftherese>
there is a lockd
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<sbalneav>
Any messages on the thin client server in dmesg?
14:07
<ftherese>
[639141.631292] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -5
14:07
[655626.418580] gnome-panel[31950]: segfault at bc753 ip b7d66d70 sp bff5d4e0 error 4 in libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1600.1[b7af2000+3a9000]
14:08
I've got a constant stream of cifs errors
14:09
but nothing for nfs
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or lockd
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or gconf
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<sbalneav>
Well, I can't see that you've done anything particularily WRONG.
14:12
I would expect the ones you MOVED to not work quite correcly, but the ones created on the nfs home dir should certainly work correctly
14:12
<ftherese>
hmmm... on another program it reports that it is unable to connect to the gconf server
14:12
or something like that
14:13
and that program flat doesn't work right now
14:13
I'll be back in about 20 min. if you come up with any ideas
14:13
thanks for your help so far
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<sbalneav>
I'm assuming you've KILLED any existing running gconfs since you moved the home dirs, yes?
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: in ldm.c, after "x_session(); loginfo(_("X session ended."));", is X still running? Could ldm read an xprop at that point?
14:32
<sbalneav>
Yes.
14:33
<alkisg>
Danke :)
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<vagrantc>
all this talk of grub.cfg on ltsp-discuss reminds me of my grub2 branch i haven't merged in
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<sbalneav>
evening all
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fom the cafe :)
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19:34* sbalneav digs into the dbus code
19:36
<johnny>
sbalneav, what are you doing?
19:36
did you talk to dbus guys ? perhaps there should be an ltsp and dbus project meeting
19:37
<sbalneav>
Trying to learn a little . We prpbably should hve a meeing, but I don't know enough about dbus yet to be able to talk about it in the vaguest terms
19:38
So I'm trying to get myself to te poing where I can at least ask semi-intelligent questions :)
19:38
gah, hard to type with the netbook in my lap :)
19:40
dunno of you saw, but sabayon has a manual now :)
19:40
if you saw
19:42
<johnny>
sbalneav, so you do have d-feet and/or dbus-inspector right?
19:42
it's nice to play with to know what you can do
19:42
and of course.. dbus-send..
19:42
d-feet is a nice simple gui way
19:44
<sbalneav>
no, I'll have to look into that.
19:45
thnks fo the tip
19:45
aaaargh
19:45
I sound like clibw
19:45
<johnny>
d-feet is a good way just to get a good feel for what you're computer will let you do and script
19:45
<sbalneav>
cliebow
19:45
<johnny>
sbalneav, somebody wrote something applescript ish on top of dbus
19:45
as in.. it maps directly to dbus methods
19:45
the commands/functions of the language that is..
19:46
<sbalneav>
ok, kid's here, gotta go, back on in an hour
19:46
<johnny>
sbalneav, and a simple tool for you to look at
19:46
oddjobd
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<ehrenpr>
does anyone know how to rebuild the kiwi-ltsp image, after using the rebuilt image?
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