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Channel log from 3 December 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<muppis>
ho
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<Gremble>
hey all, anyone see my woes with lbmount yesterday?
02:57
http://pastebin.com/pawsvyqx
02:59
sorry not yesterday wednesday
03:06
is the maintainer of lbmount ever around here?
03:15
<alkisg>
Most LTSP devs hang around here at US morning hours
03:16
You can try the mailing list or you can file a bug report if you want
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<Gremble>
alkisg, cheers
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<bigd>
hi together
07:41
alkisg ... thanks for your sugestion yesterday, helped me alot
07:44
btw ... changes to the lts.conf schould be activ after rebooting the clients, right? i always have to run ltsp-update-image
07:45
<Appiah>
in ltsp 5 you dont need to ltsp-update-image
07:45
a reboot of the client is enough!
07:45
<bigd>
for me not, thats why im wondering
07:45
LTSP 5.2.1
07:46
<Appiah>
pastebin your lts.conf
07:46
and tell us what option is not taking effect?
07:47
<bigd>
currentliy just [Default] LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True; LDM_USERNMANE = x; LDM_PASSWORD = x
07:48
but also wie the X86-Option the same ... need to update-image
07:48
<Appiah>
please pastebin it :)
07:49
<ogra_ac>
LDM_USERNMANE ??
07:50
<bigd>
[Default]
07:51
how do i paste? sorry, using an webclient
07:51
als the lines i mean
07:51
all
07:52
ogra_ac ...LDM_USERNAME of curse
07:52
<ogra_ac>
just wanted to make sure ;)
07:52
<bigd>
;-)
07:54
aaahh sorry Appiah ... thought you mean "paste in" ... forgot about the pastebin-site
07:56
http://pastebin.com/hgrTu2em
08:00
but i dont think that there is something wrong ... after the update-images everything works
08:00
it just "strange" that it takes that step
08:00
<ogra_ac>
where do you store your lts.conf on the server ?
08:02
<bigd>
in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and an symlink to that file from the tftp-directory
08:02
<ogra_ac>
doesnt work
08:02
tftp doesnt follow symlinks
08:02
store it in the right dir and you dont need update-image
08:03
<bigd>
you mean a copy instead of the link?
08:04
or were is the "right place"?
08:04
<alkisg>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
08:04
<ogra_ac>
under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/$arch/
08:04
<bigd>
ok, so replace the link with a copy
08:05
<alkisg>
No need to ever change the one in /opt/ltsp/i386
08:05
<ogra_ac>
right
08:05
<alkisg>
So no need to keep copying it - just this once
08:05
<ogra_ac>
and in the future only edit it there
08:05
<bigd>
ok
08:05
<ogra_ac>
the one in /opt/ltsp/i386 gets overwritten on boot by the one from the tftp dir
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<bigd>
hmm ... has this changed since ubuntu 8.04?
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<bigd>
i remember that i have done it there this way and it didnt work until i replaced the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc manually
08:08
anyway ... was not really a problem
08:10
<alkisg>
If it didn't work, then something else was the problem. It worked fine for me in 8.04.
08:10
(and in 7.10 and in 7.04 etc)
08:13
Gadi: is it possible to put the pulse starting just right after the user authenticates? This way we could have fat/thin sessions as options in ldm...
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<bigd>
is there a way to check with an script if corrently there is activ xsession? it turned out that checking if nbd is connected not allways works
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<ogra_ac>
alkisg, i proposed to even start pulse as the user to add security, but i think Gadi went for starting it with ldm startup
08:14
<Gadi>
alkisg: we can start it upon login, but then you wouldn't get the sounds that ogra is looking for
08:14
<Appiah>
bigd: mybad, I always assume people know what pastebin is
08:14
<bigd>
checking for running ssh-process seemd not "clean" enought
08:15
<ogra_ac>
Gadi, well, it would be a nice to have to have a11y support
08:15
<alkisg>
Gadi: you mean a "ldm is up" sound? Can't that be played with alsa?
08:15
<ogra_ac>
but that could be optional and be rules by an lts.conf var
08:15
yeah, that could indeed be done with aplay
08:16
<Gadi>
great! we could optionally play a fullscreen video upon login
08:16
<alkisg>
bigd: checking nbd seems saner than checking X. When the user logs out, X is restarted, so the check would fail there. At what point did the nbd check not work?
08:16
<Gadi>
ooh.... LTSP advertising
08:16
<alkisg>
Gadi++ :)
08:17
Let's name it LTSPooogle
08:17
<Gadi>
"Thank you for logging in. We know you have a choice of desktops, and we thank you for choosing ours...."
08:17
<ogra_ac>
Gadi, not a bad idea
08:17
i'll ask the ubuntu art team to make one
08:17
<Gadi>
maybe a talking lizard?
08:18
ooh... or that dancing baby!
08:18
<ogra_ac>
both !
08:18
<alkisg>
A talking and dancing baby lizard? Cool!
08:19
<bigd>
alkisg ... when the server shutsdown "hard" /dev/nbd0 seems to stay unchanged and the script stays in the checking-loop
08:20
but the nbd-proxy process is gone at that point
08:20
<alkisg>
bigd: I believe it will now that the connection is broken as soon as the client tries to read a single byte/sector from the server
08:20
Ah, as I said, I don't know about nbd-proxy
08:20
I tested it and it works *without* nbd-proxy
08:21
For nbd-proxy you should probably test a different device...
08:21
<bigd>
in case of an reboot it works
08:22
and you are right, after any IO activity /dev/nbd0 is gone to
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too
08:23
just thoght it would cleaner to check X as in our setup their MUST be always an activ X
08:23
<alkisg>
They never log out?
08:23
<bigd>
nope
08:24
<alkisg>
Check the xexit program that sbalneav wrote
08:24
You need to make sure it's loaded in RAM though, as you won't have nbd access
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!xexit
08:24
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Error: "xexit" is not a valid command.
08:24
<alkisg>
!sbalneav-ppa
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "sbalneav-ppa" :: (#1) https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa, or (#2) sbalneav's ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa and contains updated or backported versions for sabayon, ltsp-docs, gartoon, and others.
08:25
<alkisg>
!forget sbalneav-ppa 1
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!sbalneav-ppa
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "sbalneav-ppa" :: sbalneav's ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa and contains updated or backported versions for sabayon, ltsp-docs, gartoon, and others.
08:25
<alkisg>
bigd: in that ppa ^
08:25
The xexit package
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<bigd>
ill take a look, thx
08:26
<alkisg>
You may even modify its source so that instead of calling some script, to echo b in the sysrq file
08:27* alkisg wonders if it's possible for X to stay up and running on hard nbd disconnections...
08:28
<Uzzi>
Is it possible to set thin client grub2 for dhcp/ltsp server?
08:31
<bigd>
alkisg ... sure that xexit also gets triggerd if X crushs?
08:31
<alkisg>
bigd: that's what it was written for
08:32
I haven't tested it, but I trust sbalneav (he's one of the LTSP devs)
08:54
<korcan>
I am setting up a new ltsp server... I have firefox running locally, how do I get firefox to open attachemtns from a webmail client?
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<bigd>
alkisg ... doesnt work on first try ...
08:57
bad timing ^^
08:57
hmm ... seems xexit cant handle "frozen X"
08:59
korcan ... what exactly firefox does when you try to oben attachments?
09:04
<korcan>
says "you have chosen to open a pdf, what should firefox do with the file?" I want to be able to open it from there automatically
09:06
bigd: any ideas?
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<korcan>
bigd: any ideas?
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<robehend1>
Gadi: That python change did fix my Sabayon crashes yesterday. Thanks for the help
09:40
<Gadi>
robehend1: excellent!
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<bigd>
sorry korcan, was away
09:42
korcan ... firefox needs to know which app to use to handle pdf
09:43
like acrobat reader in windows
09:43
<Gadi>
korcan: at LTSP-BTS in the beginning of November, we hacked up ltsp-remoteapps to solve that issue
09:43
if you are using maverick, stgraber has a package in a ppa
09:44
<robehend1>
Gadi: Wait wait wait. So with ltsp-remoteapps, i can make my localapp firefox use the server's PDF reader when I click on a pdf in the downloads box?
09:44
<Gadi>
yup
09:44
<bigd>
wow
09:45
<Gadi>
its rather nifty
09:45
:)
09:45
and only a few scripts
09:45
<robehend1>
Gadi: There a doc page for this? I'd like to try to implement. It's one of my student's largest complaints
09:45
<Gadi>
maybe I can find someplace to upload a tarball
09:45
to drop files in in lucid
09:45
kinda ugly
09:46
maybe I can prod stgraber to make a lucid package
09:46
:)
09:46
<korcan>
Gadi, can you point me to the ppa? I am using 10.10
09:46
<Gadi>
sure, lemme find it
09:46
<robehend1>
that'd be fantastic. since my students seem incapable of understanding what a Downloads folder is..
09:46
<bigd>
that was my next question, how to get in in lucid
09:47
<korcan>
Gadi, next item is printing from firefox using server network printers
09:47
<Gadi>
korcan: thats easy
09:47
but hold on
09:47
<robehend1>
korcan: I just installed CUPs in the chroot, it saw the server's printers and worked great
09:47
<Gadi>
Experimental PPA builds for maverick are available at:
09:47
https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/experimental
09:47
there's his ppa
09:48
enablee it inside the chroot
09:48
and only update ltsp-client
09:48
in other words, apt-get install ltsp-client
09:48
<robehend1>
thats 10.10, correct
09:48
<Gadi>
otherwise, you will pull in his experimental ldm and such
09:48
yeah, that's 10.10
09:49
for 10.04, I can put a tarball up somewhere with the scripts to surgically replace
09:49
:)
09:49
korcan: all you should need to do for printing is to broadcast/share the printers on the server to the network
09:50
korcan: the cups client in the chroot (which should already be there? You don't need all of cups in the chroot) will then use the server's print queues
09:52
btw, guys, with ltsp-remoteapps, it isn't on by default (yet), so you should set REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf
09:52
<robehend1>
I just added all of cups, just in case. was one of those "we need this working 20 minutes ago" fixes
09:53
<Gadi>
once you have it going, local firefox will say "open with: ltsp-open" automatically when clicking on a mime type of any sort
09:53
ltsp-open will do the magic to open the appropriate app on the server
09:53
<robehend1>
pretty sure this just made my day.
09:53
<Gadi>
like, openoffice for doc, a pdf viewer for pdfs, etc
09:55
<robehend1>
now to convince my School board that between LTSP and Google Apps for education, we can really go green
09:55
..without convincing them that I've made my own job irrelevant
09:58
<korcan>
gadi, my chroot env says ltsp-client already installed
09:59
<Gadi>
did you apt-get update after adding the ppa source?
09:59
<korcan>
minor details :)
10:04
<Gadi>
anybody have a good spot for posting tarballs?
10:04
I don't want to clutter the wiki with something like this
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<korcan>
gadi, I install the ppa, updated the image.. when I clikc on a pdf it is doing the same thing...
10:09
open with... What should I tell it to do?
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<Gadi>
did you ltsp-update-image?
10:10
and reboot the client?
10:10
<korcan>
yes
10:10
let me do it again... just to make sure...
10:10
<Gadi>
did you set REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf?
10:11
<korcan>
yes in the images /etc/lts.conf
10:12
<bigd>
btw ... what time is it at your place?
10:13
<Gadi>
korcan: no, you should edit: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<korcan>
Gadi: that file does not exit on my system
10:15
<Gadi>
create it
10:15
it does not exist by default
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!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<Gadi>
it should look like:
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[default]
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REMOTE_APPS=True
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for starters
10:15
:)
10:15
<korcan>
I was updating the wrong lts.conf :)
10:16
<Gadi>
yeah - this one gets downloaded on boot
10:16
so you don't need to constantly update an image
10:16
<korcan>
ok, rebooting now
10:18
<bigd>
korcan, made the same mistake ;-)
10:18
+ i
10:21
a shame that xexit doesnt work
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<bigd>
!ldm
10:26
<ltspbot>
bigd: Error: "ldm" is not a valid command.
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<korcan>
Gadi: still not working...
10:33
<Gadi>
does it say open with ltsp-open?
10:33
<korcan>
no, how do I add that?
10:33
<Gadi>
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-open
10:33
doesn't sound like it update ltsp-client at all
10:34
try: apt-get install ltsp-client-core in the chroot
10:34
<korcan>
ok
10:36
rebuilding now :)
10:41
<bigd>
hmmm ... how can i check if a process is frozen?
10:42
<korcan>
Gadi: it worked :)
10:44
<bigd>
ps seems not relaible ... tells me state 4 for process that still run
10:44
4 = zombie
10:45
<alkisg>
bigd: why didn't xexit work?
10:45
<Gadi>
korcan: excellent!
10:45
<Kyle__>
bigd: ps is extremely reliable.
10:45
<Gadi>
korcan: ltsp-client is supposed to pull in ltsp-client-core, but I suppose they are not as tightly linked as I had thought
10:46
<bigd>
server shuts down, session freezes (on client)
10:46
nothing happens
10:46
<alkisg>
Did you change its code to make the client reboot?
10:47
(echo 'b' > the sysrq file?)
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<bigd>
i left it first to be sure that is works at all
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<alkisg>
It won't work without changing the code
10:47
The disk is not available so it cannot read any scripts to execute
10:47
(and even if it could, you'd have to provide the script)
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<bigd>
ah ok, that would explain it ;)
10:49
oh, damn, have to go
10:49
thx alkisg
10:49
ill try on on monday
10:49
happy weekend
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<korcan>
ok, now onto flash :) any ideas?
10:56
Gadi: Thanks for the remote apps help :) can you assist with getting flash to work?
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<Gadi>
korcan: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install flashplugin-installer
10:57
repeat with any other plugins you want
10:58
<korcan>
I did that already... I will try again as it seems that I need to do everthing twice ;)
10:58
<Gadi>
in the localapps firefox, go to: about:plugins
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<korcan>
gadi, it says flash is loaded, however it is not working
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<Gadi>
in what way is it not working?
11:07
oh, make sure that user doesn't have flash plugin installed in his home directory
11:07
<korcan>
the firefox plugins page shows it is installed and enabled...
11:07
<Gadi>
in fact, for the purpose of testing, close firefox
11:07
and mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak as that user
11:07
and launch ff again
11:09
<korcan>
I removed the .mozilla dir...
11:10
if I right click on a flash movie, it says "movie not loaded"
11:15
<Gadi>
are you on youtube?
11:15
what link?
11:15
http://www.google.com/search?q="movie+not+loaded"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
11:16
that seems to suggesst it may be related to the particular movie
11:16
or it could be firewall related?
11:22
<alkisg>
vagrantc: did you hear about the gpxe => ipxe.org name change?
11:22
<korcan>
gadi, it was a curl issue
11:22
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ugh. no.
11:22
<korcan>
I installed Curl in the image and it worked...
11:22
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/flash-10-1-r85-only-shows-movie-not-loaded-837876/
11:22
<vagrantc>
alkisg: did someone finally fork?
11:23
<alkisg>
vagrantc: not exactly, I hear that the copyright owner was trying to enforce his views on some subjects
11:23
So the main devs moved away to a new name
11:24
In gpxe git I see last commit happened in August, while in ipxe the development continues normally...
11:24
<korcan>
gadi, after adding the ppa ltsp-client it now boots to f8 (logged in root) instead of f7 (gui). any idea how to revert?
11:25
<Gadi>
korcan: did you put SCREEN_08 = shell somwhere?
11:25
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, i noticed a stalled out commit
11:25
alkisg: no mention on etherboot.org
11:25
<alkisg>
Right, I think that's on purpose :(
11:27* vagrantc saw that brewing
11:28
<korcan>
gadi, you are the man :) I am trying to get a new ltsp server up... copied the old lts.conf...
11:28
<alkisg>
Maybe it's for the best...
11:28
<korcan>
gadi, printing?
11:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: hope so... maybe i can actually get responsiveness regarding licensing
11:29
<Gadi>
korcan: on the server, set cups to share printers on the network
11:29
done
11:29
<alkisg>
vagrantc: http://ipxe.org/licensing - but I suppose you already know that - the problem is that it doesn't cover all the files, right?
11:29
Can some files, roms etc be left out from the debian package?
11:30
<korcan>
really? thats it?
11:30
ok
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: that works for a given rom, but doesn't actually cover the source code
11:31
<alkisg>
vagrantc: the source code is all gpl, isn't it?
11:31
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, i was working on a trimmed-down version to simplify licensing review ... only the roms supported by qemu*, for example... and then can add roms a few at a time
11:32
<alkisg>
Aren't only the ROMs in question?
11:32
<korcan>
gadi, what is the best way to get the login screen to not be split on dual momitors?
11:32
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but a significant portion of the build infrastructure was also unclear
11:32
<alkisg>
Ah, I see...
11:32
<Gadi>
korcan: unfortunately, the positioning of the current ldm is hard coded
11:33
korcan: it's been on the to-do list for quite sometime
11:33
but, now we may be making major changes to ldm, so...
11:33
<korcan>
Gadi: what file is it in? I have it working on my old ltsp server that you helped me setup over a year ago :)
11:34
<Gadi>
oh, yeah?
11:34
huh
11:34
umm....
11:35
<korcan>
Actually it was to another guy here, but he said you custom compiled it for him :)
11:35
<alkisg>
vagrantc: what's the usual tftp dir on debian nowadays? /srv/tftp?
11:36
<korcan>
Gadi: does X_VIRTUAL still apply? what about XRANDR... ?
11:36
<Gadi>
yup
11:36
all that fun stuff is still in there
11:37
for the greeter, I guess you can replace: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/ldmgtkgreet
11:37
but, I would backup the current one first
11:37
:)
11:37
<vagrantc>
alkisg: either /srv/tftp or /var/lib/tftpboot
11:37
<korcan>
ok thanks :) I will see if I copy it over if it works...
11:37
<vagrantc>
alkisg: depending on which tftp server
11:38
<alkisg>
vagrantc: dnsmasq
11:38
Should I go for /srv/tftp?
11:38
(non-ltsp installation, just nbd-server)
11:38
(single fat client)
11:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i don't think dnsmasq has a default
11:39
alkisg: put it wherever you want it :)
11:39
<alkisg>
Right, that's why I don't know where to put the files... :D
11:39
<rjune>
Gadi !
11:39
<alkisg>
OK, /srv/tftp it is, ty!
11:40
<Gadi>
juney!
11:41
<rjune>
how goes it?
11:41
Gadi, you got smokeping setup someplace?
11:42
<Gadi>
heh, do I dare ask what that is?
11:42
<rjune>
network tool
11:42
godaddy seems to be having issues
11:43
and I have a client getting pissy with me because it happened shortly after we updated their site to wordpress
11:45* Gadi stares blankly at rjune
11:45
<Gadi>
;)
11:46
<rjune>
*sigh*
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<korcan>
!lts.conf
11:55
<ltspbot>
korcan: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
11:56* Kyle__ scratches his head
11:56
<Kyle__>
Seriously? BSD tar doesn't have a flag for atime preservation?
11:57
<vagrantc>
why would you want to preserve that?
11:57
<Kyle__>
vagrantc: When I write backup scripts I usually want it.
11:58
vagrantc: Out of habbit I included it in a script I just banged out on an OSX box, and it wasn't happy, to say the least.
11:58
<vagrantc>
but the process of backing the file up would update the atime record... no?
11:59
<Kyle__>
vagrantc: Yes, but as I said, it's out of habbit. Generally you preserve atime/ctime/mtime all in one fell swoop in backup scripts.
12:00
Well, whatever you can preserve, depending on your tool. I think gnu tar preserves just about everything that it can when you tell it to, but it can only set those times to the past if you untar as root.
12:33
<Gadi>
hmm... sabayon still does weird things....
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12:34* Gadi longs for the good ole days of simple text files
12:39* vagrantc pines too
12:47* Kyle__ is starting not to believe this mac is really running at gigabit...
12:48
<Kyle__>
it's only 30 gig. Shouldn't take that long to transfer. Been almost an hour.
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12:57
<Gadi>
!seen sbalneav
12:57
<ltspbot>
Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <sbalneav> That's what I was thinking.
12:57
<Gadi>
grr...
13:00
<rjune>
Gadi, http://field-1.oriontechnologysolutions.com/smokeping/?target=WKVI
13:07
<Gadi>
rjune: smoking.
13:07
:)
13:08
thats quite the display of graphs you have
13:08
:)
13:15
<rjune>
i fixed it now
13:15
<Gadi>
ping
13:15
ping
13:15
ping
13:16
lol
13:16
sorry
13:16
feeling playful
13:16
and sabayon is driving me nucking futs
13:17
this program is so broken
13:17* Gadi shakes head
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<robehend1>
did it break again? nooooo
13:32
<rjune>
Gadi, is ok
13:33
<Gadi>
robehend1: it isn;'t crashing, it just isn't saving my changes
13:33
:)
13:34
<robehend1>
Gadi: Had that a few times before. I went into the try and try again mode
13:34
<Gadi>
I am making one change: Delete desktop icon
13:34
and saving
13:34
and it seems to not edit the temporary zip file
13:34
and just copies it back in place
13:34
weird
13:35
I don't understand why it seems to try to edit the temporary zip file rather than unpack it and then throw it away and recreate it if something is saved
13:36
<robehend1>
it is a quirky program, isnt it.
13:36
<Gadi>
unless I am missing something, the code is overcomplicated
13:36
<robehend1>
Now if only it wasnt so mission critical in many enviroments
13:36
<Gadi>
indeed
13:36
:)
13:36
let's see what happens if I delete the temp file out from under it
13:36* Gadi rubs hands together
13:36
<robehend1>
like a wizard!
13:38
<Gadi>
success!
13:38
lol
13:38
so, now to find where to put a delete in the code
13:38
bwahahahaha
13:46
<robehend1>
and then with all of these fix's, you'll have to get them rolled into the package and all kindso of other fun
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14:07
<Gadi>
robehend1: well, that's where knowing sbalneav helps
14:07
:)
14:07
<robehend1>
always a benefit
14:08
<Gadi>
still not sure where to safely add this hack, so for now, I will do it manually
14:08
until I can track down sbalneav
14:08
<robehend1>
so your having to delete the temp files before you save, to have them apply?
14:10
<Gadi>
there is a temporary zipfile in : /tmp/profile*zip
14:10
that is a copy of the zip profile from /etc/sabayon/profiles
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14:10
<Gadi>
for some reason, my edits don't get applied, and it moves that tempfile right back to the /etc/ dir unchanged
14:10
but, if I delete that tmp file
14:11
and then hit Save
14:11
it seems to work
14:11
<alkisg>
sudo apt-get install gadis-voodoo-package-that-miraculously-makes-sabayon-work, yey
14:11
<Gadi>
and it saves my changes
14:11
so, before I hit save, I can open a terminal and do: sudo rm /tmp/profile*zip
14:11
for now
14:11
:)
14:12
the code is so complicated, if I remove it in the wrong place, I may screw up something else
14:13
<robehend1>
fun stuff
14:13
well, another note to make on my list of things for Sabayon
14:13
<Gadi>
indeed
14:13
that program could use some retooling, but I aint volunteering
14:13
:D
14:14
<robehend1>
and i dont have the knowledge, sadly
14:14
<Gadi>
where are all them canonical devs doing enterprise desktop deployments?
14:14
:)
14:15
<robehend1>
i find less and less desktop linux, more and more linux servers. It seems its all going through windows pipes yet for desktop
14:15
cuz otherwise, you get the lovely "Where's mah Microsoft office!?" questions
14:16
<Gadi>
wow. it got late on me. gotta go before I turn into a pumpkin.
14:16
<robehend1>
have a good one
14:16
<Gadi>
A good weekend and a freilich Chanuka to those lighting
14:16
<alkisg>
Ciao Gadi
14:16
<Gadi>
cheers
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<keiffee>
hi all
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<alkisg>
Hi
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