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| 10:32 | <ner0> hello, i'm sorry for asking such a question here but... does anyone know if there's an irc channel dedicated to rdesktop? or anyone that can help me with it's keyboard layout?
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| 10:32 | <andygraybeal> morning guys
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| 10:33 | <ner0> hi
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> xfreerdp has MUCH better support for keyboard layouts
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| 10:35 | <ner0> thanks alkisg, the problem is that i'm using thinstation
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> Ah ok
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| 10:35 | I could never get rdesktop to properly support greek, but xfreerdp worked out of the box
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| 10:35 | Maybe you can install it in the .iso
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| 10:36 | <ner0> idk, i don't even have an iso
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| 10:36 | mainly initrd
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| 10:36 | it's for pxe boot
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> Install it on the server side then
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| 10:37 | Anyways, that's what I have to propose, I don't use rdesktop anymore...
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| 10:38 | <ner0> the server is windows :/
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| 10:38 | rdektop is really annoying, I even tried "popular" layouts such as german and french and still it defaults to US english
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> You can't boot to windows with just initrd
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| 10:38 | You need to have a chroot somewhere
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| 10:39 | <ner0> no, i'm saying initrd is thinstation, then it sonnects through rdesktop tp a windows machine, in the rdesktop session that's where he gets the layout wrong
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| 11:27 | <epoptes_user3> hi i need help to install epoptes
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| 11:31 | <cyberorg> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2012/09/27/run-x2go-thin-client-using-kiwi-ltsp/ :)
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| 11:35 | <khussein78> I installed LTSP on ubuntu and when i start the client it reach trying to load pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:36 | then it gave no init found try passing init=bootarg
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> 12.04?
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| 11:38 | <khussein78> 11.04
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> 11.04 is unsupported AFAIK, why did you install an old version?
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| 11:39 | <khussein78> this server was installed since one year
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> And it was working? When did it break? What actions did you take before it broke?
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| 11:39 | <khussein78> and LTSP was working but we left the project and now we want to use it again but it did not work
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| 11:39 | i don't know I changed
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> I think you should start by upgrading to 11.10 first, then to 12.04, and then start troubleshooting
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| 11:42 | <khussein78> why I cannot try on this version
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> It is unsupported by Ubuntu
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| 11:42 | It's very old and it receives no updates
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| 11:42 | By upgrading you get support for 5 more years
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| 11:43 | <khussein78> ok i got your point but if I want to troubleshoot in this version can you give me a good link how to do this
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| 11:44 | or how to do it on 12.04
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> There's no "troubleshooting link" for initramfs/nbd problems
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| 11:45 | You can ask here and wait for answers
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| 11:45 | If you upgrade to 12.04, it might work out of the box
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| 11:45 | Or it might have other problems
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| 11:45 | But it doesn't make sense to troubleshoot a system _before_ upgrading it for 2 releases
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| 11:45 | First upgrade, then troubleshoot (here)
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| 12:07 | <jahmon> hi peeps, back again. any idea whether i can use kiosk mode in ltsp to launch my citrix ica receiver?
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| 12:08 | i have KIOS_EXE="/opt/Citrix/ICAClient/wfcmgr" in my lts.conf but it won't launch :(
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> Does citrix ica receiver require something special, e.g. a local user, or a window manager running etc?
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| 12:12 | If not, you can start by duplicating the rdesktop screen script...
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| 12:16 | <jahmon> not sure, i was hoping i could just sub it in for my firefox exectuable but clearly not
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| 12:18 | <garymc> Hi Guys is there any way to content screen my users from all urls unless i add them to an allowed list?
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| 12:18 | Our old router used to do this but it broke and the new ones dont allow us to content screen
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| 12:59 | <muppis> garymc, I think you migth need to set up squid
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| 13:00 | <garymc> is it difficult?
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| 13:02 | <gvy> maybe dansguardian or some other specialized proxy might be even better
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| 13:03 | <muppis> Maybe.
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| 14:24 | <||cw> garymc: there's some virtual appliances that are easy
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| 14:24 | but in general it's not hard. steep learning curve, but not hard.
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| 18:34 | <muppis> I'm pleased to the boot time in 1 Gbps network. :D
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 18:36 | <muppis> Never tried it before because haven't 1 Gbps nic in client.
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> knipwim: was it you who did the success story thing on the wiki?
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| 18:52 | knipwim: we use multiple distros here at freegeek ...
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| 18:53 | seems like that should be a multi-select
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| 18:54 | and does servers mean number of LTSP servers, or number of application servers?
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| 18:54 | we also get an arbitrary number of clients on any given day ... we use it to boot arbitrary hardware
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| 18:56 | <muppis> Hmm.. In Ubuntu 12.04 fat I plugged USB headset to hub. dmesg shows it was regonized, but doesn't appeat to sound devices... o.0
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| 18:57 | Ahh, took little time. No problem.
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Hyperbyte did it
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> Hyperbyte: ^^^^
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| 19:11 | <muppis> Should I file bug? Got cups installed in fat (Can't remember is that default or not) and running aptitude safe-upgrade causes cups to be started under chroot and, if noticed by user, leaving chroot (entered with ltsp-chroot -m) lefts /opt/ltsp/amd64/dev/ mounted.
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> muppis: did you set LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS before entering the chroot?
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| 19:12 | * alkisg checks -m, sorry... | |
| 19:12 | <muppis> alkisg, nope.
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Hmm I'm not sure how much LTSP can do about disabling upstart services etc
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| 19:15 | It does put the bits required by the debian policy to prohibit services, but upstart ignores those
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> muppis: or use ltsp-chroot
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> He said that he did, I also overlooked that at first
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> bad upstart!
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| 19:15 | file bugs on upstart
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| 19:16 | * alkisg is happy that he's not using chroots anymore :D | |
| 19:16 | <alkisg> Too many chroot related problems, at least in Ubuntu...
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| 19:18 | <muppis> How about grepping status from 'initctl list' -list and stopping them when leaving chroot?
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| 19:19 | <dead_inside> alkisg i am just now kinda joining in to the conversation…. you no longer use chroots? like how are you making the client images then? or have I been out of the loop too long?
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp | echo dead_inside
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| 19:19 | <ltsp> dead_inside ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> muppis: maybe one way would be to divert initctl when entering the chroot
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| 19:20 | But that's error prone as well, upstart should have an official method to avoid starting services according to some sysadmin based policy
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> muppis: initctl list would probably also show server-side processes, no?
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| 19:21 | <muppis> vagrantc, just tested. Does report only chroot's.
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> wow
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> I think the best way would be to prevent services from starting, not killing them...
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| 19:25 | <muppis> http://pastebin.com/LrJ9WZju
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| 19:28 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#id314 -- That could to the trick.
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| 19:28 | Making override -files while entering and removing them when leaving.
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> For each service? And what if the server reboots and that point and the "exit" part doesn't get to be executed?
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| 19:30 | Then after ltsp-update-image, the clients won't start their services while booting
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| 19:31 | <muppis> Could it get too complex if ltsp-update-image checks those files and removes them before start building?
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| 19:34 | <muppis> But now to the sauna.
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> It's not the only problem
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| 19:37 | What if the user deliberately puts some override files?
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| 19:37 | What if a new service is installed, so no override file exists?
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| 19:37 | ETc
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