IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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10:32
<ner0>
hello, i'm sorry for asking such a question here but... does anyone know if there's an irc channel dedicated to rdesktop? or anyone that can help me with it's keyboard layout?
10:32
<andygraybeal>
morning guys
10:33
<ner0>
hi
10:33
<alkisg>
xfreerdp has MUCH better support for keyboard layouts
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10:35
<ner0>
thanks alkisg, the problem is that i'm using thinstation
10:35
<alkisg>
Ah ok
10:35
I could never get rdesktop to properly support greek, but xfreerdp worked out of the box
10:35
Maybe you can install it in the .iso
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10:36
<ner0>
idk, i don't even have an iso
10:36
mainly initrd
10:36
it's for pxe boot
10:37
<alkisg>
Install it on the server side then
10:37
Anyways, that's what I have to propose, I don't use rdesktop anymore...
10:38
<ner0>
the server is windows :/
10:38
rdektop is really annoying, I even tried "popular" layouts such as german and french and still it defaults to US english
10:38
<alkisg>
You can't boot to windows with just initrd
10:38
You need to have a chroot somewhere
10:39
<ner0>
no, i'm saying initrd is thinstation, then it sonnects through rdesktop tp a windows machine, in the rdesktop session that's where he gets the layout wrong
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11:27
<epoptes_user3>
hi i need help to install epoptes
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11:31
<cyberorg>
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2012/09/27/run-x2go-thin-client-using-kiwi-ltsp/ :)
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11:35
<khussein78>
I installed LTSP on ubuntu and when i start the client it reach trying to load pxelinux.cfg/default
11:36
then it gave no init found try passing init=bootarg
11:37
<alkisg>
12.04?
11:38
<khussein78>
11.04
11:38
<alkisg>
11.04 is unsupported AFAIK, why did you install an old version?
11:39
<khussein78>
this server was installed since one year
11:39
<alkisg>
And it was working? When did it break? What actions did you take before it broke?
11:39
<khussein78>
and LTSP was working but we left the project and now we want to use it again but it did not work
11:39
i don't know I changed
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11:40
<alkisg>
I think you should start by upgrading to 11.10 first, then to 12.04, and then start troubleshooting
11:42
<khussein78>
why I cannot try on this version
11:42
<alkisg>
It is unsupported by Ubuntu
11:42
It's very old and it receives no updates
11:42
By upgrading you get support for 5 more years
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11:43
<khussein78>
ok i got your point but if I want to troubleshoot in this version can you give me a good link how to do this
11:44
or how to do it on 12.04
11:45
<alkisg>
There's no "troubleshooting link" for initramfs/nbd problems
11:45
You can ask here and wait for answers
11:45
If you upgrade to 12.04, it might work out of the box
11:45
Or it might have other problems
11:45
But it doesn't make sense to troubleshoot a system _before_ upgrading it for 2 releases
11:45
First upgrade, then troubleshoot (here)
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<jahmon>
hi peeps, back again. any idea whether i can use kiosk mode in ltsp to launch my citrix ica receiver?
12:08
i have KIOS_EXE="/opt/Citrix/ICAClient/wfcmgr" in my lts.conf but it won't launch :(
12:12
<alkisg>
Does citrix ica receiver require something special, e.g. a local user, or a window manager running etc?
12:12
If not, you can start by duplicating the rdesktop screen script...
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12:16
<jahmon>
not sure, i was hoping i could just sub it in for my firefox exectuable but clearly not
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12:18
<garymc>
Hi Guys is there any way to content screen my users from all urls unless i add them to an allowed list?
12:18
Our old router used to do this but it broke and the new ones dont allow us to content screen
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<muppis>
garymc, I think you migth need to set up squid
13:00
<garymc>
is it difficult?
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<gvy>
maybe dansguardian or some other specialized proxy might be even better
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13:03
<muppis>
Maybe.
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<||cw>
garymc: there's some virtual appliances that are easy
14:24
but in general it's not hard. steep learning curve, but not hard.
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18:34
<muppis>
I'm pleased to the boot time in 1 Gbps network. :D
18:35
<alkisg>
Hehe
18:36
<muppis>
Never tried it before because haven't 1 Gbps nic in client.
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18:52
<vagrantc>
knipwim: was it you who did the success story thing on the wiki?
18:52
knipwim: we use multiple distros here at freegeek ...
18:53
seems like that should be a multi-select
18:54
and does servers mean number of LTSP servers, or number of application servers?
18:54
we also get an arbitrary number of clients on any given day ... we use it to boot arbitrary hardware
18:56
<muppis>
Hmm.. In Ubuntu 12.04 fat I plugged USB headset to hub. dmesg shows it was regonized, but doesn't appeat to sound devices... o.0
18:57
Ahh, took little time. No problem.
19:06
<alkisg>
vagrantc: Hyperbyte did it
19:07
<vagrantc>
Hyperbyte: ^^^^
19:11
<muppis>
Should I file bug? Got cups installed in fat (Can't remember is that default or not) and running aptitude safe-upgrade causes cups to be started under chroot and, if noticed by user, leaving chroot (entered with ltsp-chroot -m) lefts /opt/ltsp/amd64/dev/ mounted.
19:12
<alkisg>
muppis: did you set LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS before entering the chroot?
19:12* alkisg checks -m, sorry...
19:12
<muppis>
alkisg, nope.
19:14
<alkisg>
Hmm I'm not sure how much LTSP can do about disabling upstart services etc
19:15
It does put the bits required by the debian policy to prohibit services, but upstart ignores those
19:15
<vagrantc>
muppis: or use ltsp-chroot
19:15
<alkisg>
He said that he did, I also overlooked that at first
19:15
<vagrantc>
bad upstart!
19:15
file bugs on upstart
19:16* alkisg is happy that he's not using chroots anymore :D
19:16
<alkisg>
Too many chroot related problems, at least in Ubuntu...
19:18
<muppis>
How about grepping status from 'initctl list' -list and stopping them when leaving chroot?
19:19
<dead_inside>
alkisg i am just now kinda joining in to the conversation…. you no longer use chroots? like how are you making the client images then? or have I been out of the loop too long?
19:19
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp | echo dead_inside
19:19
<ltsp>
dead_inside ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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19:20
<alkisg>
muppis: maybe one way would be to divert initctl when entering the chroot
19:20
But that's error prone as well, upstart should have an official method to avoid starting services according to some sysadmin based policy
19:21
<vagrantc>
muppis: initctl list would probably also show server-side processes, no?
19:21
<muppis>
vagrantc, just tested. Does report only chroot's.
19:22
<vagrantc>
wow
19:24
<alkisg>
I think the best way would be to prevent services from starting, not killing them...
19:25
<muppis>
http://pastebin.com/LrJ9WZju
19:28
http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#id314 -- That could to the trick.
19:28
Making override -files while entering and removing them when leaving.
19:29
<alkisg>
For each service? And what if the server reboots and that point and the "exit" part doesn't get to be executed?
19:30
Then after ltsp-update-image, the clients won't start their services while booting
19:31
<muppis>
Could it get too complex if ltsp-update-image checks those files and removes them before start building?
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19:34
<muppis>
But now to the sauna.
19:36
<alkisg>
It's not the only problem
19:37
What if the user deliberately puts some override files?
19:37
What if a new service is installed, so no override file exists?
19:37
ETc
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