IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 February 2013   (all times are UTC)

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10:21
<ajith>
Hi Chan
10:21
I am facing problem with ltsp ubuntu cluster
10:22
which is configured on ubunutu and clients are unavle to login into their respective logins
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10:32
<ajith>
hi maekit
10:33
can please look in to thatr
10:33
do u have any idea about this
10:35
<markit>
ajith: are you talking with me?
10:36
<ajith>
yes
10:36
<markit>
"about this" what? I'm just entered, can't see what you wrote before
10:36
(and I'm not an expert in troubleshooting)
10:37
<ajith>
but just give any suggession ...
10:37
please look in to my problem
10:37
I am facing problem with ltsp ubuntu cluster
10:37
clients unable to login in to ltsp server
10:38
services are running fine...
10:39
you there
10:39
you there Markit
10:39
<markit>
I've never setup a cluster
10:39
was it working before?
10:39
<ajith>
do u have any idea about ltsp ubuntu
10:39
<markit>
"unable to login" means they have ldm login but are rejected?
10:39
<ajith>
this seems problem in ltsp not
10:40
do we have any specific service named 'ld,"
10:40
ldm
10:40
<markit>
are you able to log with those users in the server?
10:41
<ajith>
no
10:41
<markit>
with none?
10:41
<ajith>
none
10:41
no
10:41
<markit>
ltsp "normal" (don't know about cluster) authenticate users with standard pam authentication in the server
10:42
so you can't login in the server???
10:42
<ajith>
okay I am looking in to that wait
10:43
hey I have logged in a user name and it is giving me a msg saying "could not chdir to home directory"
10:45
you there
10:47
<markit>
yep
10:47
so you have troubles with your homes
10:47
permissions?
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deleted by mistake?
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are nfs and nfs is not working?
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etc.
10:54
!epoptes
10:54
<ltsp>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
10:55
<markit>
!socat
10:55
<ltsp>
socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
10:55
<markit>
anyone here has used epoptes remote assistence?
10:57
<ajith>
no man no idea
10:58
thanks for ur timw
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time* man
10:58
but really could not find the poroblem
10:58
i can say actually I am unable to create the home dir in /bash
10:59
it is creating home dir's in .sh
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I also changed user home dir and owned that...still the same problem
10:59
so...please look in to this and please help me out ...Mr.Markit
11:00
<markit>
but you were able to login some way,ok? also to sudo?
11:02
<ajith>
sudo i can login in command line
11:02
not in gui
11:02
<markit>
ok, and ls -ld /home gives you correct permissions in the home dir?
11:02
<ajith>
if i login thru cmd line it is giving me error "could not chdir to home directory
11:03
<markit>
and if you do a ls -l /home, you see your home folders?
11:03
ajith: become permanente super user with
11:03
$ sudo -s
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and then let's try to find out what is wrong, ok?
11:03
I need you to be superuser to do that
11:04
<ajith>
I am superuser able to create the dir's but not getting crerated in home dir
11:04
getting .bashrc...etc these things in my home dir
11:05
<markit>
ok
11:05
as I stated, could you please do a ls -ld /home
11:05
must be something like drwxr-xr-x 39 root root 4096 gen 26 13:15 /home/
11:06
<ajith>
okay i could not find that in my case
11:06
<markit>
what are your permissions for /home?
11:07
you need it to belong to root and have drwxr-xr-x
11:07
(except if you have valid reasons to do different, don't know about clusters)
11:07
<ajith>
same things as urs
11:07
but not finidng any users
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users home dir's
11:08
<markit>
you mean nothing under /home ?
11:08
<ajith>
yes
11:08
ya
11:08
<markit>
aren't that homes are taken from nfs or something like that?
11:08
did you set it up?
11:08
do you have an idea about how it works?
11:09
you should go in /var/log
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and check messages of syslog files
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for meaningful errors
11:10
do you have THIN or FAT clients, by chance?
11:14
ajith: I've to leave in a short time...
11:19
<ajith>
okay and thanks for ru support
11:19
ur*
11:19
<markit>
btw all that "slang" is irritating for non native english speakers like me
11:20
"your" not "ur"
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<ltspuser_56>
Hi
13:37
I have installed ltsp server and clients as directions provided by ltsp but it is still not working for me
13:38
is there anybody can help me and suggest what i have not done yet
13:38
??
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<markit>
hi Phantomas, I've a problem with epoptes remote assistence, works with vnc but not with screen
15:30
<Phantomas>
hey markit! You can't open a remote terminal you mean?
15:31
ah, no! What do you mean?
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<gp>
Where can I read about setting up an LTSP thin client? The only instructions I see are for the server
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<Hyperbyte>
gp, LTSP thin clients are diskless.
15:51
They boot over the network and do not hold any configuration/software themselves.
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Other than maybe setting them to PXE boot, there is nothing to be done on the clients.
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<gp>
So it just depends on the bios of the client?
15:51
<Hyperbyte>
All client software/configuration is done on the server.
15:52
BIOS of the client, firmware of the network card - whatever does your PXE boot. :-)
15:52
<gp>
Okay thanks
15:52
thought I needed a usb thumbdriver loader or something
15:52
*thumb drive
15:53
<Hyperbyte>
You do if your client doesn't support PXE boot.
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(network boot)
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<gp>
simple enough. thanks
15:55
<Hyperbyte>
You're welcome. :)
15:55
Company, school, or home setup? :)
15:56
<gp>
well right now I am just toying with it =)
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<Hyperbyte>
Are you considering deploying it somewhere?
15:57
Or just experimenting on a sunday afternoon? :)
15:58
<gp>
Just experimenting. Looks pretty cool and wanted to see how it works
15:58
<Hyperbyte>
:)
15:58
Yeah, LTSP is pretty awesome.
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<gp>
=)
15:59
<Hyperbyte>
I've deployed it at the company where I work, as well as at the radio station where I volunteer.
15:59
<gp>
Oh yeah?
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<markit>
hi, any general setup to force client navigation through a proxy in lts.conf?
16:11
argh, I've missed Phantomas :(
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<Hyperbyte>
gp, yeah, it's pretty awesome (and time saving in the long run) to do all configuration centrally. If a computer breaks, just replace it and you're done. Plus, you never have to troubleshoot software problems on workstations.
16:12
markit, what do you mean with "force client navigation through a proxy"?
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: exactly
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<Hyperbyte>
What do you mean by that?
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<markit>
manually setting i.e. firefox to do so is not very easy nor secure (user can change it)
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I've no idea :)
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<Hyperbyte>
Well those are two seperate issues.
16:14
You mean:
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a) configure a proxy automatically
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b) disallow http requests that bypass proxy
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<markit>
well, first need (of a friend of mine) is a)
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but I guess that sooner or later he will need b) too
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<Hyperbyte>
Those are two very different things. a) is done in your browser, also depends on what browser you use. In the case of Firefox, I believe it has global configuration where you can "force" certain settings. That question is not LTSP related though. Firefox guides are available on this topic.
16:16
<markit>
Hyperbyte: mmm I remember FF can have global settings, did not thought could have been also set as "immutable", interesting tip
16:17
<Hyperbyte>
b) is also not LTSP related, how you accomplish this depends on your network layout and your needs. You could for example, block a client's internet access completely, and only allow them access to the server. Then they can only reach the internet via the proxy on the server, otherwise not. This can become problematic if you need more than http though. Then you'd need to allow only specific internet access and disable the rest. Either way, that's what firew
16:17
"problematic" meaning it'd require firewall configuration. I guess it's not really problematic at all.
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<markit>
so nothing that ltsp takes care of (and can be configured through lts.conf)
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<Hyperbyte>
Firefox configuration is done through Firefox and not lts.conf
16:18
And the firewall on the server is certainly not configured by lts.conf. :-)
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<markit>
ok, I guess is a common need in schools, wondering if someone has developed an "easy to setup" solution for this
16:19
also possibly not involving a different host that acts as firewall
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<Hyperbyte>
markit, is your LTSP server also the network's router?
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(i.e., is it a two-nic setup?)
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: yes
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<Hyperbyte>
Then why would you need a different host that acts as firewall?
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That would even be more difficult.
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If you want to filter your network, it -has- to be done on the router.
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<markit>
I know, and also you could have a mix of fat and thin clients
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I see
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<Hyperbyte>
I assume you're running Firefox as a local app with the thin clients?
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: no, all fat but old pc could be connected and become thin, without any local app
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<Hyperbyte>
Well in that case you'd have to filter the local server too
16:29
Again, your firewall is your friend. ;-)
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<markit>
:)
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21:50
<toolz>
I've just come across lstp and I'm thinking it would be a perfect fit for my mothers tutor/homeschool business. I'm looking at a very very limited budget so I'm trying to find cheap thin clients that work smoothly
21:50
ltsp*
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<vagrantc>
toolz: how many clients are you talking, and what's cheap?
21:51
for real cheap, you can probably find an old computer that someone would give away for free
21:51
<toolz>
vagrantc: I'm thinking around 10 clients and cheap is I'm going to be getting refurb monitors for like 50$ and I'm hoping I can spend as little on thin clients
21:52
<markit>
hi vagrantc :) I'm just reinstalling a ltsp server for a school, using Greek repo, and probably I've found a bug. Something you can be interested or just have to wait for Alkis?
21:52
<toolz>
I'm looking at some great deals on geode based thin clients on ebay, some wyse products etc
21:52
<vagrantc>
markit: i don't know the greek-specific stuff, but if you explain your problem i can try to help out
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toolz: geode has some issues, depending on the generation
21:53
<markit>
vagrantc: I've KDE on the host, and usually ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --fat-client --mount-package-cache --copy-sourceslist --accept-unsigned-packages
21:53
would have installed the SAME DE
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while now I see it's installing gnome...
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<vagrantc>
on ubuntu?
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<markit>
kubuntu
21:54* vagrantc see's *ubuntu as one and the same
21:54
<markit>
I've installed kubuntu 12.04 as usual
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vagrantc: sure ubuntu = kubuntu, just wondered if you thought I was started with gnome and then installed kde on top
21:54
<toolz>
vagrantc: is there a list of hardware anyone has made that they have successfully setup ltsp?
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<vagrantc>
markit: you'll want to look at the fat-client plugin in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/
21:55
markit: that should have the logic for how it decides what to install
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toolz: not that i know of, really.
21:56
toolz: what lists i have seen are often outdated pretty swiftly ... a new software version of this or that might break the videeo driver, sound driver, etc.
21:56
<toolz>
vagrantc: do you know of anyone that has had success with extremely cheap thin clients?
21:57
<vagrantc>
toolz: i get all mine for free :)
21:57
<toolz>
vagrantc: yeah? how do you manage that?
21:57
<vagrantc>
toolz: do you need strictly thin clients, or will regular computers network booting work?
21:57
toolz: i work at a computer re-use and recycling organization
21:58
<toolz>
I would prefer thin clients, but honestly I can make anything work. Price is the real barrier, nothing else
21:58
<vagrantc>
well, any x86-based computer that can network boot can generally serve as a thin client for LTSP
21:58
(and even some arm-based ones, but that's for the adventurous)
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<markit>
vagrantc: dpkg -l | sed -n 's/^ii.*\<\(.*buntu-desktop\)\>.*/\1/p'
21:58
and is "" in my kde
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wondering if is different in "normal" (older) file
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<vagrantc>
markit: you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed?
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<toolz>
yeah, I was thinking about just getting some refurb'd atom netbooks or something, but that's 50$-100$USD more expensive than these geode thin clients...
21:59
<markit>
vagrantc: mmmm no
21:59
vagrantc: I've plasma-desktop
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<vagrantc>
markit: which is incompatible with kubuntu-desktop?
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markit: it sounds like you're not strictly running kubuntu...
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<toolz>
I see you guys have public meetups occasionally, when's the next one?
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<markit>
vagrantc: probably because I've added some kde backports to have the latest version... but as far as I remember was the same last time I installed ltsp
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<vagrantc>
markit: you could try --fat-client-desktop plasma-desktop
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<markit>
vagrantc: or maybe has been uninstalled because I uninstall some related packages like network manager?
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who knows...
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vagrantc: I will force with kubuntu-desktop, the problem is that is not able at the moment to "get" the host KDE if that kubuntu-desktop is not present
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I use a different system to check the DE in my scripts
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let me find it
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<vagrantc>
markit: you could force kubuntu-desktop and then do whatever you did on the server to the chroot and rebuild the image...
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<markit>
vagrantc: yes thanks I will do
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<markit>
just checked with my "system" and yep, I find kde-plasma.desktop there
22:04
that is a problem for my scripts too...
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vagrantc: thanks a lot for the help
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<vagrantc>
toolz: irc meetings, or meetings in person?
22:04
<toolz>
vagrantc: irc
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<vagrantc>
markit: glad to be helpful!
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<toolz>
vagrantc: unless you guys do like google hangouts or something...that'd be cool
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<vagrantc>
there's http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Meeting:Upcoming)
22:05
<toolz>
vagrantc: thanks
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<gp>
I was having trouble getting PXE information sent to the thin client because I am using a router for DHCP. I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP and have PXE working. My thin client is connecting but not booting up all the way yet. When I installed dnsmasq it set the resolvconf to use 127.0.0.1 for nameserver. How can I set this back to use the dns servers provided by the router?
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<vagrantc>
my inclination is usually to uninstall resolvconf...
22:25
though there might be a better way to get resolvconf submit to sanity
22:25
!dnsmasq
22:25
<ltsp>
Error: "dnsmasq" is not a valid command.
22:25
<vagrantc>
!resolvconf
22:25
<ltsp>
Error: "resolvconf" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
i remember there being some docs about making resolvconf play nice on ubuntu...
22:27
<gp>
Well it worked fine before I installed dnsmasq. So something there messed it up. I just cant figure out what so I can't go back to using the DNS servers provided by the router's dhcp
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<vagrantc>
gp: alternately, you can comment out the line: port=0
22:30
gp: oh, before you even got around to making the edits for dnsmasq?
22:30
i.e. the "Creating the dnsmasq ltsp.conf file" section?
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<gp>
Well I have dnsmasq setup
22:31
I was reading from another computer
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<vagrantc>
sure, but if you set it up according to those instructions, it will cause dnsmasq to stop serving DNS requests
22:31
<gp>
Right
22:31
Thats fine
22:32
I don
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I want to use the dns servers my router provides. I am just using dnsmasq for the DHCP Proxy feature
22:32
<vagrantc>
the simplest thing might be to allow dnsmasq to function as a DNS server, and it should use the DNS server's provided by your router.
22:33
<gp>
Well yea I guess that would be simple. If it gets me going I can piddle with it later =)
22:33
<vagrantc>
right
22:33
<gp>
thanks
22:33
<vagrantc>
if that doesn't work, then you have more work to fiddle with :)
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<gp>
I thought about that but it didn't sound good until someone else suggested it. Thanks =)
22:35
It worked