IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<tarzeau>
any news?
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<kwak>
anyone knows of a software that is like adobe visual communicator or video cue?
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<johnny>
i don't even know what that is..
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<kwak>
johnny, by googling you will get the info about it, it's a software to create videos/presentation with slides
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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour !
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<ltspadmin>
hope someone can help me with a dhcp offer issue. When booting clients up one at a time....I can get a a system to PXE boot, and the next system does not receive an offer.....but after waiting 3 mins..and rebooting...it does..in other words the offers are very slow..any ideas?
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<sep>
ltspadmin, any dhcp log output ?
04:24
<ltspadmin>
sep: give me one sec..im editing the dhcp.conf file one more time to see if i can resolve it.
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<ltspadmin>
sep: still around?
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sep: which logs did you need the /var/log/syslog stuff?
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<sep>
ltspadmin, if you dont see errors there i dont need it. you might consider increasing verbosity to get more output. you can also consider running tcpdump on the dhcp server to see what happen when the clients request a lease. and make sure you have free leases
04:52
<ltspadmin>
okay in the logs..what are we specifically looking for..then id be happy to post up
04:53
and also what is the dhcp lease suppose to be set to
04:53
??
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<sep>
ltspadmin, the range have free addresses to use.
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<ltspadmin>
hello...i have an issue with dhcp rquests from clients booting..after 3 mins or so, the next client can receive a request..but when sequentially booting up machines...no offers are made...can some aid?
07:08
im using edubuntu 8.04 with two nics
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and when actually logining in it takes at least 2 mins
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<Shawn_Powers_>
I'm writing an article today on LinuxJournal.com about LTSP 5. Are there any specifics any of you might want me to mention?
08:02
<cyberorg>
Shawn_Powers, http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP GUI project for LTSP, part of openSUSE Google Summer of Code 2008 :)
08:03
Shawn_Powers, you might also know Fedora9, AltLinux, openSUSE-Edu, Debian and Ubuntu all have LTSP5 integrated
08:04
<Shawn_Powers_>
wow, the gui looks great...
08:04
I've been an LTSP administrator for a long time, and have just been editing the lts.conf file
08:04
I remember wishing there was a gui a long time back
08:04
<cyberorg>
Shawn_Powers, they are dummies, the actual one would be something that ogra's mom can use ;)
08:05
<Shawn_Powers_>
:D
08:06
<cyberorg>
http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Easy-LTSP here is the development white board
08:06
<Shawn_Powers_>
I just started preparing for my summer upgrade to LTSP5 (probably with Ubuntu), and I was excited to see some great enhancements
08:06
<cyberorg>
student would start coding at the end of this month
08:06
<Shawn_Powers_>
very very awesome.
08:06
<cyberorg>
by september we should have something usable by everyone
08:07
<Shawn_Powers_>
I'm curious about "ldm" -- is this an LTSP thing, or an Ubuntu thing?
08:07
And is it difficult to tweak?
08:07
ie, if I want to force my users to use IceWM or some such thing?
08:08
(I haven't used LTSP in anything other than K12LTSP, so my understanding is a bit narrow)
08:08
<cyberorg>
LDM is a ltsp display manager, nothing there to tweak, it offers login screen with options of locales and desktop sessions to log in
08:08
<Shawn_Powers_>
I guess by "tweak" I meant can you specify sessions, or do they pull the info from the distro?
08:08
<cyberorg>
LDM provides X over ssh
08:09
it pulls all available sessions and languages automatically from the server
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<Shawn_Powers_>
hrm
08:09
That's always been a pain in my side. ;)
08:09
(not LTSP's fault of course)
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<cyberorg>
i advise you to give it a try before writing, a lot has changed since ltsp4.2 days, in fact it is a whole new approach to ltsp
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<Shawn_Powers_>
Well, it's not an article for the print magazine, but the website. And I intend for it to be a "first impressions" type thing.
08:12
I played with the Edubuntu version yesterday, and really liked what I experienced.
08:12
Especially with multimedia
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<cyberorg>
LTSP5 implementation on openSUSE won FOSS India award 2008 http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
08:13
Shawn_Powers, cool, we can do with all the attention the project can get
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<Shawn_Powers_>
Well, if it turns out well, be sure to Digg the thing as well
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<cyberorg>
upstream needs more distribution contributing and integrating LTSP5 in their distros
08:14
<Shawn_Powers_>
Also needs some folks to document
08:14
<cyberorg>
sure link it here and post of ltsp-discuss mailing list
08:14
<Shawn_Powers_>
(says the professional writer that doesn't contribute any code... sigh)
08:15
<cyberorg>
code is not the only contribution, blogging, writing, making people aware of it is a big contribution too
08:16
<Shawn_Powers_>
:) I'll also mention this IRC channel too -- would this be the "proper" place to send people with more questions?
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<cyberorg>
Shawn_Powers, of course, most devs hang out here
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<Blinny>
I'm looking for some help specifying refresh rate for my 1440x900 terminals
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<Blinny>
If I specify 1440x900 for X_MODE_0, everything works great except for a flicker when I move the mouse. Changing the refresh rate from '60 Hz' to '75 Hz' in Preferences->Screen Resolution solves the problem. Unfortunately, this is a per-user fix instead of a machine-dependent fix. How can I accomplish the same thing from lts.conf ?
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<cjsstables>
hello all. I have a quick question. Getting ready to set up an ubuntu ltsp server. I have 900 GB of space on 3 drives. In the partition schem where should I allocate most of the HD space? /home? /root?
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<Blinny>
cjsstables: Definitely /home - Consider that each of your users' entire environments will be now aggregated under one /home partition.
09:23
and by environments I mean their files, pictures, videos, etc
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<cjsstables>
ok thanks. I appreciate that information
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<fsgaston>
Does anybody know of some good companies that do remote management of linux servers?
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<tarzeau>
fsgaston: what country?
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<fsgaston>
Tarzeau - United States or anyone who can SSH in and speaks English
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<Blinny>
fsgaston: What sorts of things do you need?
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<rjune>
fsgaston: what's up?
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I'm in state even.
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<johnny>
hi/..
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<rjune>
fsgaston: are you still around?
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<ltspadmin>
hello. Im fighting with an 8.04 setup....I have two nics..and one has been set to a 192.168.1..254 the other to dhcp. I even set the /etc/default/dhcp-server3 LISTEN to the proper interface. Here is the issue - when clients boot..it takes 2 -3 minutes to receive any kind of bootp/dhcp info. however, after 3 mins after loading each system...the next one will come up. Can some one help me debug/fix the issue?
11:03
woops that 192.168.1.254
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<ltspadmin>
I just rebooted 4 machines..they come up fine. then aster the fifth...things hang again...weird...
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<Blinny>
ltspadmin: DHCP in 8.04 is configured in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf - that's what you're fiddling with, right?
11:04
<ltspadmin>
right
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<Blinny>
And the _clients_ have two NICs in them?
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<ltspadmin>
nope one..
11:05
two nics on server...and one nic per client
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<ltspadmin>
i know its a config mistake of some sort...but im pulling my hair out thinking about what it is.
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<Blinny>
So the client boots, DHCPREQUESTs an IP and then, on the screen you just see the little spinnyspinny ?
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<Blinny>
What's in /var/log/messages on the server during this transaction? How much time between the REQUEST, ACK and OFFER?
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<ltspadmin>
Blinny: what will happen is it "tries" to request for dhcp and times out...doesnt even make that far
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Blinny: and if i wait..2 or 3 mins...bamn its back again.
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<Blinny>
And /var/log/messages ?
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<ltspadmin>
id be happy to give you snippet in pastebin..will that suffice?
11:09
<Blinny>
Yes, the parts during a failed boot and a successful boot are what I'm after.
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<ltspadmin>
Blinny: here you are - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12250/
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<warren>
crap
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I've been using my ssh DSA key to get into launchpad
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<warren>
so even I can't escape needing to regenerate the key
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<Blinny>
ltspadmin: It looks like your server is still booting during the request process. Has the server finished booting?
11:13
Or is that 192.168.1.250 stuff from specifying the log server?
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<ltspadmin>
that is actually capturing the log info from the clients...192.168.1.250 is one of the clients.
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<Blinny>
I find it strange that it is exactly five seconds between every log message - one from the client, one from the server.
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I'll brb - gotta make a quick trip downstairs.
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<Blinny>
ltspadmin: What happens if you remove the log-servers option?
11:32
from /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, restart dhcp-server and then reboot the client
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ltspadmin: When you're done please pastebin your dhcpd.conf - and verify that you absolutely have no other dhcp servers on this switch/subnet
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<ltspadmin>
Blinny: that is a brilliant idea as well..i will actually connect a second laptop and see if there is any type of dhcp server on the network--that somehow magically appeared..
11:36
Blinny: Ill post that dhcpd.conf up now.
11:38
Blinny:http://paste.ubuntu.com/12256/
11:38
there you are
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<Blinny>
Right on. You also don't need the 'allow booting' and 'allow bootp' for ltsp.
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And, unless you're sending some NFS or kernel options that I don't see you don't need the option 128 and 129.
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<ltspadmin>
Blinny: so everything else looks okay to you?
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<Blinny>
Other than not needing lines 6-10, yeah
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<ltspadmin>
k
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i will check the network end of things now..
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<Blinny>
Dig. If I'm not here when you get back just ask away if your problem isn't solved.
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<gbolte>
hellp
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kljfaldskjf
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hello
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<shawnp0wers>
was that a cry for help, or a greeting. :D
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<gbolte>
heh it was supposed to be hello but the o and the p got mixed up
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:D
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<gbolte>
anyone know what patch ubuntu used to fix the issue with gvfs where gnome would show local device volumes from all terminals on all desktops
12:58
I want to take it and apply it to opensuse 11 to fix the same issue
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<gbolte>
I found the patch for gnome-vfs but not gvfs
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er nvm
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got it
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<Pawn_Showers>
Hello all, my short article on LTSP is on Linux Journal: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ltsp-5-making-thin-clients-phat
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<Pawn_Showers>
Feel free to participate in any ensuing comments that happen there, we have a pretty large readership
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Also, diggs are always appreciated, it garners even more attention...
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<sepski>
Pawn_Showers, nice
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<johnny>
you have have mentioned that it is almost completed on gentoo :)
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<dberkholz>
Pawn_Showers: nice
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<johnny>
reminds me.. i'm going to add config protect mask
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then that part'll be done
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<dberkholz>
johnny: you might add a Gentoo section to the bottom of http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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Pawn_Showers linked there
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<johnny>
ok
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<Pawn_Showers>
I *just* added the bit on Gentoo. ;)
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<sepski>
Pawn_Showers, nice write, you didnt mention debian edu / skolelinux, but that's ok it's practicaly a part of debian anyway
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<laga>
Pawn_Showers: one thing i love about LTSP 5 is the plugin-based build system. i've added a custom plugin to create diskless fat clients - it was very easy and works well.
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<sepski>
laga did you put it on the wiki ?
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<laga>
sepski: there is a plugin for (low)-fat clients on the wiki. my plugin ships with the ubuntu package because it's ubuntu specific.
14:29
it'll actually build a diskless mythtv frontend
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<Pawn_Showers>
If you have anything you'd like highlighted -- please, drop a comment. My artitcles have gotten lots of comment traffic lately...
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<sepski>
laga, nice :)
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<slapshot>
hi guys
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<jammcq>
hidy ho
18:22* vagrantc waves
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<davidj>
jammcq: Howdy!
18:48
<jammcq>
hey David
18:48
how's things?
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<davidj>
Been busy, calming down a bit now.
18:49
Any you?
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<jammcq>
busy beyond belief
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but in today's economy, that's a really good thing
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<davidj>
;-) Yes, it is.
18:52
A buddy of mine bought a small county hospital in the sticks, said he might be interested in talking to you.
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<davidj>
We'd been partaking of the fruit of the vine, and somehow your practice management system came up.
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<jammcq>
well, we're busy building it. of course things take much more time than we plan on.
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<davidj>
they always do, unless it's rolling out an LTSP 4 network. That's always quick. ;-)
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<jammcq>
well, it's quick, easy and predictable
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<davidj>
Is Harrison around?
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I've got an rpm question
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<jammcq>
umm, he doesn't hang around here much
19:00
btw, we're all heading to Portland Oregon on July 24th for a hackfest
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and of course, i'm looking forward to bts in Maine again
19:00* vagrantc eagrely awaits july
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<davidj>
I think I can make it to Maine, but not Portland. I've got a conflict at the end of July.
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<jammcq>
ah
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<davidj>
When are you coming to North Carolina?
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<jammcq>
heh, no plans at the moment
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<davidj>
bbl, got to get the kids in bed. Will you be around?
19:04
<jammcq>
yep
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<davidj>
jammcq: An old friend dropped in to say hello. I think I'm in worse shape than Ragnar was Saturday night ;-)
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<davidj>
jammcq: Think I'll mosey off to bed....
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<rjune_>
davidj !
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<mistik1>
hey guys
21:37
Well I just have a major suck fest with Ubuntu installer man
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It seems to me like it gets worse every time out
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<johnny>
this isn't exactly the right channel is it?
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<rjune_>
wow, did I misread that
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<mistik1>
I felt for a sec like I was installing Vista, 'Please wait while we run an overly complicated hardware detection routine that locks you machine up 90% of the way through the install process"
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<johnny>
please take that somewhere else mistik1
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<mistik1>
rjune_: You have a dirty mind my friend
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johnny: hush
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<johnny>
no.. you hush
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<mistik1>
How about not
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rjune_: How's the baby?
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<rjune_>
not such a baby anymore.
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<mistik1>
I bet ;)
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<rjune_>
neither one of them.
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one is four, the other two
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<mistik1>
boy time flies
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<rjune_>
yup
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<jammcq>
mistik1: hey buddy
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<mistik1>
what's going on Jimbo
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<jammcq>
busy as ever
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how you doin?
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<mistik1>
I hear ya
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I'm quite busy but the bux have not started flowing yet
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Plenty of coding though
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<jammcq>
hmm. cool. so you really are a programmer, eh?
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<mistik1>
heh, looks that way
22:44
;)
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I've been doing everything from Java to JS to C++ of late
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<jammcq>
wow
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<mistik1>
I'm reall loving Java man
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C++ is pretty cool too
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<jammcq>
yeah, I did some of that many years ago
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<mistik1>
Very powerfull stuff
22:47
I've been doing quite a bit of Socket programming in it
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<jammcq>
hmm, i'm doing some socket programming in Perl as we speak
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<mistik1>
cool
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jammcq: Man, After all these years I finally figured out autotools the other night
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Well enough to my work done
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<jammcq>
wow. I played with it, made it do some odd thing, and then flushed everything I learned, to make room for something else
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<mistik1>
Those macros are whacky
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