IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
ecolinux: are you looking to get LTSP supported in archlinux?
00:05
ecolinux: i've gotta run, but we can talk later.
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<ecolinux>
on archlinux there are no support for ltsp
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<jimjimovich>
Anyone have an idea why a client would be picking up the wrong boot server IP and trying to boot from another client?
05:35
<muppis>
Misconfigured dhcpd or there's an other one?
05:39
<jimjimovich>
seems like one client is booting as fat and had dnsmasq running. very odd
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<muppis>
12.04 ?
05:41
<jimjimovich>
yes
05:41
I added LTSP_FATCLIENT=False to his mac address specifically and now it's booting normally. Just strange, because LTSP_FATCLIENT=False is the default
05:42
<muppis>
Odd.
05:43
Resolv is replaced with dnsmasq and looks like it's behaving badly in fat because it should listen localhost only.
05:44
<jimjimovich>
Thankfully, the guy who's machine was acting badly called me ... it booted into Unity and he got all confused :)
05:44
<muppis>
:D
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<alkisg>
LTSP_FATCLIENT _isn't*_ false by default
06:20
It defaults to true when there are xsessions available at /usr/share/xsessions
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06:31
<cyberorg>
alkisg, this is probably why we have removed /client/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/20fatclients
06:32
https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=ltsp-suse-hacks.diff&package=ltsp&project=server%3Altsp
06:36
<alkisg>
cyberorg: why? It's reasonable to assume that if the user installed a DE in the chroot, he'd want to use it...
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<cyberorg>
no, we always had icewm and twm installed in chroot, dont want users to get that by default, default should be FAT_CLIENT=False
06:38
<alkisg>
You can blacklist those then, ignore them, as gentoo did with the default xorg session file
06:39
<cyberorg>
yeah, or could just drop 20fatclients and let admins who want FAT_CLIENT set it to true
06:39
<alkisg>
Of course, it depends on how many fat installations you get
06:39
Here, 90% of schools prefer fat
06:39
As they have at least a couple of newer clients
06:39
Only 10% of the schools have strictly thin client labs
06:40
<cyberorg>
either way is fine, but i didn't want some clueless admin to get twm and think that is what LTSP is all about
06:42
at least when they set it to true manually they know what they are doing, makes sense if majority are building fat clients, our prebuilt image is thin client image
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<muppis>
When running lsof at server, is it normal it complains about user fuse's, like gvfs and ltspfs?
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<zavag>
alkisg: Αλκη καλημέρα ...
07:51
<alkisg>
zavag: καλημέρα, πάμε στο #ts.sch.gr...
07:52
zavag: δηλαδή γράψε: /j #ts.sch.gr
08:03
<Hyperbyte>
OH NO! IT'S A FULL SCALE INVASION! QUICK, GRAB THE GARLIC AND THE WOODEN STAKES!
08:05
<Mava>
=D
08:05
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, wooden stakes wouldn't help to greeks.. ;)
08:05
And they probably likes garlics also..
08:10
Puuh..
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08:12
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, they'd probably go bankrupt order the bread to eat with the garlic, and then come to us for financial aid....
08:12
*ordering
08:13
<muppis>
Ouch.
08:17
<alkisg>
We don't need your financial aid... but yeah have some garlic around, it makes your blood taste so much better... booo... :P
08:17
Meh too busy to come up with anything witty... :D bbiab
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<mealstrom>
hi guys
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<Hyperbyte>
Hey hey
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<muppis>
Which was the way gain access to other users X session?
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<ecolinux>
hello i try to make ltsp packages for archlinux . i try to make firt an lstp-client package but i don't know i what i choose for $DISTRO
12:25
<knipwim>
hmm, what $DISTRO?
12:25
<Hyperbyte>
muppis:
12:25
!xauthority
12:25
<ltsp>
xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pgrep -nx 'ldm|kdm_greet|lxdm-greeter-gt|dbus-daemon')/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
12:26
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, thanks.
12:27
<ecolinux>
knipwim, http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Packaging/Client in plugins part
12:27
<knipwim>
ecolinux: lsb_release -i | awk '{print $3}'
12:27
for archlinux
12:27
ecolinux: and also, that part isn't quite finished
12:29
ecolinux: it is for the most part, but haven't gotten around to finishing it
12:29
I can do that in a few hours (when I'm not at work)
12:31
ecolinux: for archlinux the $DISTRO part means there could be an archlinux specific file, for arch specific logic
12:31
but there isn't one right now
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<ecolinux>
ok
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<ecolinux>
i don't make a package in fact
12:33
:(
12:34
<knipwim>
< ecolinux> hello i try to make ltsp packages for archlinux ?
12:36
but anyway, I have more time later today...
12:37
<ecolinux>
yes i try to make this but l don't know what i need for ltsp-client-vendor-functions and in /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/
12:37
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, funny. Returns nothing.
12:39
<ecolinux>
knipwim, you are an dev of lstp ?
12:39
<knipwim>
ecolinux: yup, and the writer of that packaging doc
12:40
<ecolinux>
ok
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<ecolinux>
l don't know distros order to adapt for archlinux
12:43
I have to give so ...
12:46
knipwim, thank you anyway
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<knipwim>
ecolinux: i'm free in a couple of hours, i can help you better then
12:49
<rickogden>
hmm, I'm using iPXE to load the LTSP client and it seems to be ignoring lts.conf, anyone else experienced this?
12:50
<ecolinux>
knipwim, but I'm not sure I have the skills to help you write a code for archlinux
12:50
knipwim, you know archlinux very well ?
12:51
<knipwim>
not at all, but you do?
12:51
i can help explain how ltsp works, and how it should integrate in arch
12:51
so if you know arch, we can combine our powers!
12:52
<ecolinux>
ok but my english is not good
12:52
<alkisg>
rickogden: are you using dnsmasq in proxydhcp mode?
12:53
<ecolinux>
knipwim, and I do not want to waste your time ...
12:53
<rickogden>
alkisg: I'm not using that, I'm using the ipxe script to point at the pxelinux.0 file
12:53
<alkisg>
rickogden: ah, it' s the same thing then
12:54
I.e. your router doesn't send the boot filename
12:54
So the client asks the router about the filename in order to locate lts.conf
12:54
<rickogden>
alkisg: nope
12:54
<alkisg>
And can't find it
12:54
So it probably looks for it in <tftp>/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, or even in <tftp>/lts.conf
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<rickogden>
alkisg: it is there
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<alkisg>
We should change that and use the nbd/nfs rootpath to locate lts.conf instead...
12:55
rickogden: it is there in both places?
12:55
<rickogden>
I'm using ltsp-pnp
12:56
so I could put it in /etc?
12:56
<alkisg>
rickogden: find /var/lib/tftpboot/ -name lts.conf
12:56
What's the output of that?
12:56
<rickogden>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
12:57
which is correct
12:57
<alkisg>
So it's not in the paths I mentioned
12:57
See the exact paths I said
12:57
<rickogden>
ah
12:57
<alkisg>
Anyway make symlinks for all these locations
12:57
<rickogden>
yeah I'm using the amd64 client
12:58
<alkisg>
in <tftp>/lts.conf, <tftp>/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, and <tftp>/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
12:59
<rickogden>
alkisg: thanks, doing that now
13:00
<ecolinux>
knipwim, you speak french?
13:00
<alkisg>
$ cat /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/05-getltsconffile:
13:00
#Finally, if $filename isn't set, we want to default to "/ltsp/i386/lts.conf"
13:01
...which isn't correct, it'd be better to default to /ltsp/<arch>/lts.conf, but anyway.
13:02
<rickogden>
alkisg: ah! Fantastic thanks :)
13:04
possibly isn't helping I'm using http rather than tftp
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<alkisg>
Hehe, well, you can't get lts.conf over http with the default setup
13:05
So in that case sure put it in /etc
13:06
<rickogden>
yep, thanks :)
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<rickogden>
alkisg: does getltsconffile just get the lts.conf and move it to /etc/lts.conf?
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<alkisg>
rickogden: yes
13:14
You can change it to use wget if you like
13:14
<rickogden>
alkisg: that's what I was thinking, write my own :)
13:14
<alkisg>
rickogden: name it 05-mygetltscfgfile
13:15
Since it starts with "m" > "g", it'll override the other one
13:15
And you won't have to worry about updates overwriting yours
13:15
<rickogden>
yeah :)
13:16
is there a global variable on the client which holds the IP/hostname of the LTSP server?
13:16
<alkisg>
SERVER
13:17
In 04-server
13:19
<rickogden>
thanks :)
13:22
<ogra_>
isnt /etc/hosts also pointing to server (non capitalized)
13:22
or was that dropped
13:23
iirc something like:
13:23
ping server
13:23
or ssh server
13:23
should just work
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<Hyperbyte>
ogra_, no, that's still current
13:46
<ogra_>
ah, good
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<alkisg>
ogra_: that's generated afterwards, in 09-hostname
13:51
So in 05- it's too early to rely on it
13:51
<ogra_>
oh, yeah
13:51
i missed that bit, sorry :)
13:52
alkisg, btw, did yu have to pay taxes for your tab ?
13:52
<alkisg>
ogra_: nope, none at all
13:52
How much did you pay?
13:52
<ogra_>
bah
13:52
13:53
<alkisg>
Heh. Benefits of Greece... customs employees are too lazy to bother checking for taxable boxes :P
13:54
<ogra_>
thats why your country is doing so brilliant economically i guess :)
13:54
geamr custom officers will be fired if there is a comma missing in the report about my tax payment ;)
13:54
*german
13:55
and i catually had to pay 50ct for each day of "storage" they had to do for me
13:55
<alkisg>
If only countries economy crisis were caused because of countries... :)
13:55
<ogra_>
heh, yeah
13:55
well, governments are parts of cuntries ...
13:55
<alkisg>
The worst thing is that people assume that greeks are to blame for their crisis
13:56
Governments are only to blaim for incompetence
13:56
<ogra_>
i'm sure corruption is to blame too
13:56
<alkisg>
Global economy crisis aren't caused by small governments like greece's or spain's or italy's etc
13:56
<ogra_>
nah
13:56
definitely not
13:58
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, sure, blame the rest of the world. :(
13:58
Typical. Damn Greeks.
13:59
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: don't forget to eat some sugar, your blood will taste better then :P :D
13:59
<Hyperbyte>
Heheheh. :-D
13:59
<ogra_>
ltsp-vampires ?
14:00
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I hope you're not suggesting that we have the power to overcome the whole system that breaks countries economies because of some ...stocks, right?
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I have no idea what I was suggesting. I don't know anything about this financial crisis thing and I like to keep it that way. I was just rattling your cage a bit. ;-)
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<||cw>
customs are so inconsistent all over the world. I wonder if anyone has any estimates on tax income loss in customs that's anywhere near accurate
14:59
<knipwim>
ecolinux: i'm home! but don't speak french
15:01
alkisg: you are my model-greek citizen when i try to tell people not all greek people are to blame for the crisis
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<ogra_>
||cw, well, it surprised me to see that they arent the same across EU ... the are no taxes for shipments inside the EU (thats its purpose) so i could have sent it via greece and wouldnt have paid a thing
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<ecolinux>
knipwim, sorry j'etais partij'etais parti
15:20
I was left
15:20
;)
15:21
<knipwim>
no worries, on the phone now
15:22
<ecolinux>
knipwim, but I do not feel capable even with your help can make these changes
15:23
knipwim, and I do not want to waste your time ...
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<knipwim>
it's my time to waste
15:30
<ecolinux>
knipwim, i know that but I do not want you to lose your time for something that would exceed my skills
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<ecolinux>
knipwim, given the differences between the scripts between different distributions, this seems insurmountable for me
15:33
i am packager and not a dev
15:34
<knipwim>
ecolinux: wait a sec, still on the phone
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<knipwim>
ecolinux: why do you want to package ltsp for arch? do you want to use it yourself?
15:47
if yes, than you have sufficient information to learn the stuff you need to learn
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and I, and others in this channel are patient enough to help you
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<monteslu>
anyone here using k12linux + Centos6/RHEL6/SL6 ?
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warren, you're alive !
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:)
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<knipwim>
ecolinux: and we designed it so, that multiple distibutions can use it without much change
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<ecolinux>
for me and all interested Archer
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<monteslu>
I'm having trouble with jetpipe and centos6, not sure what kicks it off. Have it configured in lts.conf, even modified the script to write to syslog, but not getting anything
15:54
<knipwim>
ecolinux: so you're able to test and motivated
15:54
<ecolinux>
knipwim, I tried to see a little clearer, alone.
15:54
<muppis>
monteslu, I got problems with jetpipe as well. Trying to implement usb/ip to replace it.
15:54
Ubuntu 10.04 here.
15:55
<monteslu>
muppis, i was considering writing a nodejs script since I don't do well at python :)
15:56
<ecolinux>
knipwim, thank you
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<knipwim>
ecolinux: ok, i'll try to think of an ideal approach to start packaging it
15:57
to make it seem less insurmountable
15:57
<muppis>
monteslu, doea CentOS use upstart?
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<monteslu>
muppis, i think so
15:58
maybe that's why im not seeing an init script
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<muppis>
monteslu, jetpipe is started by ltsp scripts. I asked because I made an Upstart conf for usb/ip to share specified usb device to server. Almost got it working.
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<monteslu>
muppis, very cool. I'd like to use when you get it worked out
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<muppis>
monteslu, I can share it already. Server part is not ready and daemon at client doesn't start automatically, but I'll fix them.
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<muppis>
monteslu, http://pastebin.com/b7dHRh1a
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<monteslu>
muppis, thanks
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<ecolinux>
a little question: can i use for examples android tablette client ? just an idea....if tablette have an ethernet port ...
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<||cw>
depends on how you define client
16:33
most ARM devices won't PXE boot, if that's what you mean
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but it is possible to serve an ARM image to ones that will
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<ecolinux>
||cw, ok but on windows 7 tablette ....it is possible ??
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or on wifi
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<||cw>
a win7 table is just a PC, so it should be. wifi can't really PXE
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you can install your image to the tablet and modify it to join the wifi though, technically.
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ecolinux: these are advanced topics though, if you become familiar with ltsp using normal desktop pcs, which doesn't take long to do, then you would easily see the path you'd need to achieve these things
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you certainly do not want to start off by doing arm PXE or wifi clients
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even if that's the only kinds of things you want to work
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<ecolinux>
it is just an idea ....
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;)
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<||cw>
and one that's been fleshed out and somewhat documented.
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however, LTSP's primary purpose is to get x86 clients to pxe boot and connect back the server for an X session, or to a vnc or rdp server.
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the X session and vnc and rdp systems are just that, not special to ltsp.
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<ogra_>
all ARM devices using a recent u-boot bootloader will PXE boot just fine
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<ecolinux>
i try wnc but not very secure
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<ogra_>
(though its a fake PXE but the server doesnt care usually :) )
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<||cw>
is that level of security really that important on a lan?
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<ecolinux>
omeone have experiences of this configuration?
16:51
on wifi yes
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<knipwim>
ecolinux: http://pfichtner.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/pxe-boot-using-wifi/
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<ecolinux>
knipwim, thanks
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<knipwim>
i've never done it, but that's basically the approach ||cw talks about
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<monteslu>
just got nodejs running locally on an ancient thin client. I love ltsp :)
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<roasted>
ltsp is amazing
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<monteslu>
indeed
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<roasted>
I just had a lunch conversation with another school district and they were telling me about their windows thin client setup.
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It's been a project for the last 3 years, whcih still has yet to be fine tuned despite having a full time tech support specialist working entirely on this project alone.
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They were a bit dumbfounded when I said I stopped in an LTSP server to serve 70 clients within a day's time and fine tuned it remotely for the next few days. Since then it's ran flawlessly for the last 12 months with minimal issue.
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stopped = dropped
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the only thing I'm trying to crack with LTSP is exactly how to get XFCE to work as the default environment.
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<monteslu>
I've set up my kid's school as volunteer 10 years ago with ~100 clients. Only upgrade about every other summer with very little maintenance
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<roasted>
I'm having a lot of difficulty finding up to date (12.04) documentation on it
17:10
when you upgrade, are you talking regular system updates? or actual distro upgrades?
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<monteslu>
distro
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<roasted>
nice
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<monteslu>
I've gone through various versions of ubuntu, fedora, centos, old school redhat
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kind of a rough on this year though with printing issues, but I'm finally forcing myself to understand the internals a little better
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<||cw>
ecolinux: a bit closer to what you want http://karimlalani.blogspot.com/2010/06/ubuntu-ltsp-over-wifi-tp-link-tl-wn422g_15.html
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<ecolinux>
thanks
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<roasted>
welcome, alkisg
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vagrantc
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<alkisg>
Hello
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<vagrantc>
?
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<roasted>
pyro
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alkisg: I did find the xubuntu.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions the other day, but plugging it in to lts.conf didn't really make a difference besides the xubuntu splash screen.
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<alkisg>
roasted: did you `cat` it?
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<roasted>
alkisg: I just LS'd it when I was in /usr/share/xsessions and saw it
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<alkisg>
You needed to cat it in order to see its exec line
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<roasted>
cat /usr/share/xsessions... then it's response = LDM_SESSION="responseofcat" ??
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<alkisg>
Something like that, yeah
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<roasted>
sounds good. I'll give that a go when I get to the server tonight.
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appreciate it
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<alkisg>
$ grep ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/*
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/usr/share/xsessions/blackbox.desktop:Exec=blackbox
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/usr/share/xsessions/gnome-classic.desktop:Exec=gnome-session --session=gnome-classic
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/usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop:Exec=gnome-session --session=ubuntu
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/usr/share/xsessions/gnome-fallback.desktop:Exec=gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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Etc etc, you need to see the xubuntu line there
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<vagrantc>
so on ubuntu 12.04 you still have to specify full path?
18:27
it's not the desktop file option anymore?
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<alkisg>
Not sure if the change made it to 12.04
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<roasted>
I assume cat gives me the equivalent of grep ^Exec?
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<vagrantc>
er, the specifying the desktop file name was post 12.04
18:28* alkisg is using the wheezy ltsp version :)
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<vagrantc>
heh
18:28
alkisg: you're all manner of complicated :P
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<alkisg>
roasted: yes, cat is a bit similar to grep
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<roasted>
gotcha
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: any progress on the packaging update?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: no time ... if you could propose a patch it would be easier
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sorry :(
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: is there anything else needed besides the udev files, and the changelog?
18:30
np, no worries
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All I needed was the `ltsp-config dnsmasq` 2-nic fix, so it's rare, not too significant...
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: that should do it
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<alkisg>
Cool, sounds easy enough
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<knipwim>
vagrantc: what's the difference between ltspfs, ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core in the debian packages?
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<knipwim>
ah, same for ubuntu
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gentoo only has ltspfs, both for client and server
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<vagrantc>
knipwim: ltspfsd is the client-side package, with all the udev hooks and everything. ltspfsd-core is the actualy binaries, without the hooks that make it run automatically, and ltspfs is the server-side code.
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with the way we redid the udev rules, we could probably ditch ltspfsd-core soonish
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<knipwim>
and the diff between ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone?
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<shawnp0wers>
just stopped in -- but I know that one. :)
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<vagrantc>
it's basically just package dependencies ... and i think it installs an extra configuration file.
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<knipwim>
check
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<shawnp0wers>
standalone includes the dhcpd server
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<vagrantc>
and more, on debian.
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<vagrantc>
knipwim: standalone is all the dependencies to get all the standard LTSP features. ltsp-server just gives enough to boot the thin client.
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in fact, if you don't have recommends enabled, just enough to build an LTSP chroot.
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<alkisg>
Those are nice answers that belong to the wiki :)
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<knipwim>
working on it :)
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making links to the distro packages for each package description on the wiki
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<alkisg>
I'm building a localized version of the Ubuntu 12.04 live CD, with gnome-fallback which is more user friendly etc
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And I'm thinking if I should prefer the -generic kernel, or the default generic-pae
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For ltsp-pnp... I think it makes more sense to go with -generic, I think there are more clients that don't work with -pae than servers with >= 4 GB RAM...
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Sounds reasonable?
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<muppis>
Yes.
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<alkisg>
Thank you muppis :)
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<muppis>
Clients more than 4 GB RAM are probably 64 bit as well. :)
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<vagrantc>
knipwim: there are slight differences between the debian/ubuntu packaging ... but we're closer now than we've ever been
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<knipwim>
probably, but i'm not going that far in describing the differences
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<knipwim>
ecolinux: ok, i've made some progress, the approach should be more lined out
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wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Packaging
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<ecolinux>
knipwim, good job....!
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knipwim, i go see that
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<ecolinux>
knipwim, for informations the cache for package of archlinux is on /var/cache/pacman/pkg
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knipwim, i don't know if this help you
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<ltspuser_13>
Hello!
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<ecolinux>
hello
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<ltspuser_13>
Anyone have experience running a vmware view client on top of ltsp?
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<ecolinux>
someone use archlinux ??
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<joulez>
hi, can someone tell me what SCANNER=True actually does?
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