IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 20 February 2014   (all times are UTC)

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06:34
<work_alkisg>
!sudoers
06:34
<ltsp_>
sudoers: Not recommented for security reasons: RCFILE_01="echo USER ALL=NOPASSWD: /path/to/program >> /etc/sudoers". USER and /path/to/program can also be ALL.
06:42
<vagrantc>
eeyk
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10:51
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
10:51
<ltsp_>
alkisg-todo: (#1) LDM password hash, or (#2) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#3) "support logind for fat clients"
10:51
<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-todo 3
10:51
<ltsp_>
The operation succeeded.
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12:40
<squoter>
guys
12:40
can anyone help me?(
12:40
<alkisg>
!ask
12:40
<ltsp_>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
12:40
<squoter>
9 pc's - i help me
12:41
oh
12:41
okay)
12:41
9 pc's have preview in epoptes, 1 - not have. why?
12:41
<alkisg>
squoter: let's go again... from the server, and from that pc: x11vnc -connect plinet.ioa.sch.gr
12:42
<squoter>
hi alkisg)))) this is another school)
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12:46
<alkisg>
squoter: are you talking about comp10?
12:47
<squoter>
i must run vnc on pc without preview?
12:47
yes
12:47
<alkisg>
Someone is working there
12:47
Tell him not to get scared :)
12:48
squoter: can you open a terminal on comp10?
12:48
I don't see any menus...
12:48
Maybe that's the problem, that the session has not correctly started
12:49
Something else hanged, and the menus and epoptes-client wasn't loaded
12:49
<squoter>
reinstal epoptes?
12:49
<alkisg>
No
12:49
Can you open a terminal?
12:49
<squoter>
in 10 pcs?
12:49
<alkisg>
No, in comp10
12:49
<squoter>
i can run vnc
12:49
<alkisg>
Press Alt+F2 there
12:49
<squoter>
okay
12:49
<alkisg>
And run gnome-terminal
12:50
Not from epoptes
12:50
Physically, go there and press alt+f2
12:50
<squoter>
yes
12:56
<alkisg>
squoter: if he logs out and then back in, does it work then?
12:57
<squoter>
now works
12:57
thank you so much!!!
12:57
<alkisg>
I didn't fix it
12:57
I run it manually
12:57
(02:56:55 μμ) alkisg: squoter: if he logs out and then back in, does it work then?
12:57
So, try that ^ and tell me
12:58
Tell the user to logout and then to login again
12:59
<squoter>
no(
13:00
not work
13:01
<alkisg>
Then it's a problem with lxde in 13.10 not running things in /etc/xdg/autostart... or a problem in that specific installation
13:01
When epoptes-client runs manually, everything is fine
13:01
So it's not a problem with epoptes
13:02
<squoter>
ok, i reinstal it)
13:02
<alkisg>
ok :)
13:02
<squoter>
thank you so much!!!
13:02
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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13:47
<the_owl_0v0>
Hi all! - I have a client with a LTSP setup working in both his main office and a seperate one in a recently opened branch office - is it possible to "join" them to allow a user set up at one office to login to their accout at the other, and possibly send print requests between offices? - many thanks!
13:50
BTW they ar running on ubuntu 13.04 and both offices have ADSL with a static IP
13:53
testing 123 - is there anybody there???
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13:53
<the_owl_0v0>
hello?
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
!ask
13:56
<ltsp_>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
Have some patience my dearest Owl.
13:57
Whatever you're going to do, realize that over ADSL it'll be horribly slow. No matter what you do.
13:57
<the_owl_0v0>
many thanks Hyperbyte! - could only see my own posts and thought something was wrong! - with the list of users on the right was thinking the screen should be flying along.. :-)
13:58
<Hyperbyte>
Nah, LTSP is developed and supported entirely by volunteers... most of us are at work now... including me actually. ;-)
13:59
<the_owl_0v0>
me too, just got this question dumped on me by the client! :-/
13:59
<Hyperbyte>
Well, it's going to be slow.
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14:00
<Hyperbyte>
Depending on what they need exactly, you could consider sharing the files & printers, or sharing entire desktops.
14:00
You could set up x2go for example, to enable users to log into their actual desktop in the other office.
14:02
<the_owl_0v0>
I thought the speed would be an issue, but SSHing into the home directories seems to come up quite quickly, as to file transfers. Was hoping to be able to use the local server to PXE and run the session then just log in and access account files and resources on remote system - without going down the freeMX route - have you seen this done or poissibly point me in the direction of info I may have missed?
14:02
Thanks again! :-D
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14:11
<the_owl_0v0>
BRB, just been called into the clients office!
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<BurnedBrainZ>
hi all
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14:43
<the_owl_0v0>
Back!
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14:43
<the_owl_0v0>
hi Burned Brain!
14:44
great name!
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14:49
<gp>
Good morning. I am using some Intel Atom thin clients. I cannot seem to get the graphics driver installed for the clients to work properly because I cannot set the correct resolution for the monitors. How can I go about correcting this?
14:50
<BurnedBrainZ>
hi!
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15:55
<ltsp-server>
manrique verga
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16:06
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: so that fix should work for fatclients?
16:06
work_alkisg: the logind support?
16:07
<workingcats>
vagrantc, i saw him remove the todo for that earlier
16:12* vagrantc will try to upload 5.5.1 today, then
16:13
<vagrantc>
oh, that's an ldm fix
16:15
<workingcats>
<ltsp_> alkisg-todo: (#1) LDM password hash, or (#2) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#3) "support logind for fat clients"
16:15
<alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 3
16:15
that's all i know i'm afraid
16:16
<vagrantc>
yeah, taking a look at it now ...
16:17
work_alkisg: seems to hard-code XDG_VTNR=7 ... but if you run LDM as SCREEN_08, shouldn't that be XDG_VTNR=8 ?
16:17
otherwise, what a pleasantly simple fix.
16:17
or workaround
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16:40
<cliebow_>
so nowadays to install ltsp is nothing more than aapt-get install what?
16:42* cliebow_ cliebow reads on..
16:43
<vagrantc>
apt-get install ltsp-server/ltsp-server-standalone
16:43
ltsp-build-client
16:43
will work on debian and ubuntu
16:43
you may also need/want to run ltsp-config on various bits
16:43
/w/ 14
16:44
<cliebow_>
who s working opensuse?? anyone??
16:44
<vagrantc>
i think that's cyberorg
16:44
nott sure who else
16:45
but they do things a bit differently
16:45
<cliebow_>
hehe!
16:45
<vagrantc>
!kiwi
16:45
<ltsp_>
kiwi: The opensuse/kiwi implementation of LTSP is a bit different than in other distros, so the best way to get support is in the #kiwi-ltsp irc channel. See also http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
16:45
<cliebow_>
passing that on to my partner in crime here
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: so, I pushed a fix for logind at ldm-trunk instead of ltsp-trunk :)
16:53
I haven't tried running LDM at vt8 to see if it needs a different XDG_VTNR
16:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm just guessing that's what that does...
16:54
<alkisg>
Btw in 14.04, X is launched with "-seat seat0", and the systemd wiki mentions that it's needed, but I saw that it works without it, so I omitted it for backwards compatibility
16:55
I saw some commit about "forcing all X sessions to be active unconditionally"
16:56
OK let me do a quick test about vt...
16:57
<vagrantc>
it'd be easier for me to just upload a patch to ldm, rather than a new upstream... but not much
16:58
i think all the translation diffs are nno-ops
16:58
er, no-op
16:59
<alkisg>
Should I enable the translation commits, to see if something new has arrived? They'll get pushed in... 9 hours from now
17:00
<vagrantc>
could enable them for a day ... though i'll probably just upload a patched 2.2.12
17:00
although maybe i'll wait.
17:00
may as well enable them
17:02
<alkisg>
Btw I think now with systemd, xprop running as root is killed after 10 seconds or so, so the logouts are slow...
17:02
Maybe we could run `killall ltsp-localappsd` on logout...
17:05
<cliebow_>
vagrantc:did you ever write up your macbook dhcpd.conf?
17:05
<vagrantc>
no, i didn't
17:06
<cliebow_>
heh..no prob..just was talking about it
17:06
<vagrantc>
shouldn't be too hard to sanitize it
17:06
just need to take tthe time
17:07
<cliebow_>
righto
17:08
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup setting the correct XDG_VTNR is indeed needed... do we have the vt number somewhere, or should I use ${SCREEN_NUM#0} ?
17:08
...or ${DISPLAY#:} ...
17:09
Hmm, in screen-x-common, we do TTY=$(tty)...
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17:11
<alkisg>
...but that's not available in X95-*...
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17:15
<hydruid>
Is this still an active project?
17:15
<alkisg>
Yup
17:15
<cliebow_>
you bet!
17:15
<hydruid>
alkisg: oh wow your name brings back some memories!
17:15
alkisg: cliebow_: ty
17:15
<alkisg>
Really? I don't remember you, sorry...
17:15
<cliebow_>
8~)
17:15
<hydruid>
alkisg: it's okay I probably had a different nick
17:15
treyh or thunsucker
17:15
<alkisg>
Ah, ok
17:16
<cliebow_>
im active..just no help
17:16
<hydruid>
:P
17:16
I have a customer that can't afford new PC's but has an epic server farm.......LTSP came to mind
17:17
<cliebow_>
i lost my lab to 1:1 about five years ago im school
17:17
<hydruid>
so just thought I'd pop in here and say hello as I spin up a new VM
17:17
cliebow_: yes most of my customers are schools, I feel your pain. Did they go the apple route?
17:18
<cliebow_>
yep..piles of ipads everyewhere..
17:18
<hydruid>
cliebow_: similar story here........
17:19
<cliebow_>
State of Maine
17:19
<hydruid>
oklahoma here...
17:19
cliebow_: Do you guys utilize E-Rate?
17:19
<cliebow_>
yes..
17:20
<hydruid>
cliebow_: I work for an E-Rate vendor :P
17:20
cliebow_: what do you think about them combing P1/P2 next year?
17:20
<cliebow_>
ahh yes..dont know that term
17:21
<hydruid>
cliebow_: priority 1/2 or Internal Connections / Basic Maintenance
17:22
<cliebow_>
hant been involved in erate...basically a tech..running openldap..acmt..
17:22
<hydruid>
cliebow_: :P
17:22
<alkisg>
vagrantc: pushed
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: hopefully there's no issue with XDG_SEAT being hardcoded to seat0 ?
17:41
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I think there will be if we have multiple active seats,
17:41
but e.g. xfreerdp and shell don't count as active seats...
17:42
and we never supported multiple LDM screens anyway...
17:42
And, since all those hacks will go away in ltsp 6... I don't think it's worth the trouble to spend more time in this
17:42
<vagrantc>
well, we haven't supported multiple LDM sessions for ages
17:43
but yes, i agree
17:43
<hydruid>
alkisg: when will LTSp6 be out?
17:43
<alkisg>
hydruid: dunno, the ltsp developers count is pretty low these days :)
17:43
<hydruid>
:P
17:44
<vagrantc>
we're all too distracted
17:44
<hydruid>
alkisg: I was around for the end of 4.x and beginning of 5.x
17:44
the user list in this channel certainly is low
17:44* alkisg jumped on the ltsp wagon in 2007-8...
17:46
<hydruid>
alkisg: I think I did around 2010
17:46
<alkisg>
That was waaay after ltsp 5...
17:47
<vagrantc>
ltsp5 came out in 2005, and I think became recommended in 2006/2007
17:47
<hydruid>
alkisg: hmmm maybe it was earlier then, or perhaps Ubuntu didn't have the 5.x package yet
17:47
<cliebow_>
i was in around 2001 and am hanger-on since 2008
17:47
<vagrantc>
ubuntu was the first major distro to include ltsp5
17:47
<alkisg>
When I started, with Ubuntu 7.04, noone was using ltsp 4...
17:48
<vagrantc>
or, back then i think it was called ltsp muekow
17:48
alkisg: people are still using ltsp4 :P
17:48
<cliebow_>
that was a Scottie-ism
17:48
<alkisg>
I mean, here :D
17:48
<hydruid>
:P maybe it was longer ago then I remember
17:48
i think my original install might have been on 10.04
17:49
<cliebow_>
rhel3 i think here..bolted for ubuntu at 4.2
17:49
4.2 rocked
17:50
<vagrantc>
all it lacked was enough energy to maintain it :)
17:50
<cliebow_>
yes..
17:51
well..sound was problematical..
17:51
<vagrantc>
we barely keep ltsp5 going, and 98% of the work is already done by the distro
17:52
<cliebow_>
we need more ketchup..
17:56
<hydruid>
hmmmm
17:57
updated my chroot and when running ltsp-update-image, it complains that "/opt/ltsp/amd64......" doesn't exist
17:58
<vagrantc>
did you build an i386 chroot?
17:59
<hydruid>
vagrantc: yes
17:59
looks like an old bug from 2008
17:59
had to add "-a i386" at the end
18:00
<vagrantc>
this must be a very old install...
18:01
<hydruid>
about 2 hours
18:01
fresh install on fully patched ubuntu 12.04 LTS
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