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Channel log from 3 September 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
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<elias_a>
For those of you who read Finnish - there is going to be a hands on LTSP-workshop in Kokkola, Finland 5.-6. October: http://educoss.blogspot.com/2009/08/ltsp-tyopaja-kokkolassa-5-6-lokakuuta.html
02:07
vmlintu: You are most welcome :)
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<Appiah>
any smart way to disable the users from making a shortcut to gnome-terminal ?
03:00
or creating shortcuts to anything
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<zamba>
how do i set the default keyboard layout for my thin clients?
03:50
XkbLayout in lts.conf, got it :)
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<nubae|work>
hey folks, Ive been tasked at work with finding a good local side http filter... u guys know of anything?
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<zamba>
nubae|work: dansguardian, maybe?
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<Jenna>
squidguard rocks
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<nubae|work>
local
05:05
not server side
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<zamba>
ah
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<nubae|work>
I guess there must be firefox extensions... but thought people actually using stuff in schools would know
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<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
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<cyberorg>
nubae|work, see opendns.org
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<nubae_>
cyberorg, its a solution but not a very viable one... I dont believe opendns can block somecommondomain.com/subfolder/theoffiendingmaterial.html
07:53
the only way would be blocking the entire somecommondomain.com, which we cant really do
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<nubae_>
installing firefox extensions as root is another way
07:53
but easily bypassable by installing a firefox proxy
07:54
then there is forcing everyone through a remote controlled proxy server...
07:54
not sure to what exten that is possible
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and... whats probably best, is some program that does that is installed by root, and where firefox extensions cant bypass it
07:55
nor can proxies...
07:55
its a pretty screwed up task... totally political in origin.
07:55
<ogra>
dansguardian or squidguard are your best bets but both are very maintenance intensive
07:55
<nubae_>
In the schools we already have server side filters
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but with the new netbooks they are giving the kids, when the kid goes home, he could find questionable content
07:56
<ogra>
oh, fun
07:56
<nubae_>
this should be a job of the parent of course
07:56
<ogra>
well, gchildcare was some good attempt, but its still young
07:56
<nubae_>
but... we'll get blamed if anything happens... u can already see the headlines can't u?
07:56
ah yes, a co worker mentioned it
07:56
<ogra>
and the maintainer currently works on quickly
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so not much development is going on atm
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<nubae_>
well, seeing as this is a requirement, we could throw him a hand
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ie... help with coding/adding filters, etc
07:57
that is what we get paid for after all
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and I'd much rather be coding than writing documentation (snivle)
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its pretty unfair the amount of documentation work vs real work we get to do
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for every damn thing we do, we have to write a big evaluation document, mentioning in it all the available options
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then what the pros and cons are of each
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<ogra>
there is also an old SoC project i once mentored the guy didnt finish ...
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<nubae_>
and finally a theoretical assesment
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<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/willowng
08:00
its a supercool idea but needs some massive work
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<nubae_>
after that, then we can start installing exisiting stuff... if nothing is found, the very last thing we get to do is code :-(
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<ogra>
its supposed to be a gnome app, hooking into your desktop as an intercepting proxy
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<nubae_>
but I guess thatrs like that in all areas
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<ogra>
as backend it just uses a bayesian filter
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<nubae_>
jobs I mean
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<ogra>
so its learning standalone
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<nubae_>
looking now
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<ogra>
like a spam filter
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additionally you can have white/blacklists for complete domains
08:01
but as i said, far from being ready and untouched since quite a while
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<nubae_>
oh, ok, well if mentored it, must be good... so... how much work u think required?
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in hours if possible
08:02
so when u say massive... can u quantify that a little more?
08:02
<ogra>
no idea, really, grab the code and consider yourself
08:02
<nubae_>
ok, if they put a gun to your head... and had to give an answer... :-)
08:02
<ogra>
its not even up to date with recent dbus ... all thats existing needs to be adjusted first
08:03
really, no idea, for me who knows the code it would probably one ubuntu release cycle if i really could demote any time into it
08:03
<nubae_>
I cant go and start looking into code unless the time is there to do something with it
08:04
<ogra>
for someone who doesnt know it but works fulltime on it i guess it boils down to the same amount of time
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<nubae_>
an ubuntu release cycle = 6 months then?
08:05
<ogra>
3 months of development
08:05
3 of stabilization
08:05
10mio users reporting bugs :)
08:06
<nubae_>
hmm... might get away wtih 3 months
08:06
would that be with or without mentoring :p ?
08:08
ogra: as a side thing... I'm buidling up tutorials/courses for ubuntu related stuff here, as part of the larger linux-for-education moodle project: http://www.linux-for-education.org/course/category.php?id=25
08:09
<ogra>
would have to be a python programmer who knows a bit about gnome infrastructure
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<nubae_>
to those people who u think might be interested, woudl be nice to spread the word a little
08:09
get some help
08:09
<ogra>
nice, good luck with that
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<nubae_>
for example, porting the recent devsummit stuff
08:09
ogra would end up being me
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and I'd like to think I'm getting the hang of pygtk, pycairo, and pango
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<ogra>
willow also needs dbus and indeed some background knowledge about http and iptables
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<nubae_>
I developed the pyclic app: iptables and http wouldnt be a problem... dbus... i''m still not entirely sure how exactly it works, but I have a fair idea of what it does
08:12
http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/pyclic/ <--- git though so u'll not like that part very much
08:13
I'd be willing to give it a go if my work says yes... would u be willing to mentor me?
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<Gadi>
mornin, nubae_
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<ogra>
Gadi, perfect timing, nubae_ just said git :)
08:19
bzr bzr bzr :P
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<nubae_>
btw... probably old news to u guys, but I discovered a way to use git and bzr over port 80 today
08:20
was tremendously happy everything but 80 is blocked at work
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<Gadi>
hehe
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<nubae_>
documented here: http://www.linux-for-education.org/course/view.php?id=80
08:24
ogra, I wouldn't hassle u much.... promise :-) (grin)
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<ogra>
:)
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<nubae_>
we could put limitations on it, like say.... all questions must be via email... no wasting your time over irc
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<Gadi>
I think we should "earn" the ability to waste ogra's time
08:34
<nubae_>
heh
08:34
<Gadi>
:)
08:35
<nubae_>
well if its for a good cause :p
08:35
<Gadi>
kinda like "ogra-bucks"
08:35
<nubae_>
the new developer tender
08:36
<alkisg>
Hmmm 3 bug reports in arms gives you 1 ogra-hour?
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<nubae_>
bah, bazaar says it can import git code, but it iies
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lol
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<Gadi>
alkisg: that's a lot of ogra
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<nubae_>
and I dont have enough ogra-dollars to ask about why it doesn't work :-(
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flubber... am I gonna have to read the entire bazaar user guide
08:39
I guess so... that should at least earn me an ogra-buck, if not 2
08:41
gadi-bucks should have a pretty good exchange rate with ogra-bucks though :-)
08:41
kind of like the euro to the pound
08:42
<Gadi>
more like the euro to the italian Lirre
08:42
:P
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<ogra>
hey, dont mess with the lira ... it had grteat values :P
08:46
*great even
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<stgraber>
ogra: hey, are you coming to BTS this year ?
08:47
<ogra>
stgraber, still waiting for feeback from management
08:47
its in a bad time once again
08:47
<stgraber>
yeah, like a week before release :)
08:47
<ogra>
milestone release ahead ... and only i have the HW to test
08:48
i need to find a replacement to do my work, which isnt easy
08:49
<Gadi>
ogra: convince them to buy you remote controlled arms that you can operate from Maine
08:49
<ogra>
Gadi, that would be a very long serial cable :)
08:49
and a robot to switch SD cards
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<Gadi>
nah - internet based robotic arms
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<ogra>
heh
08:49
<Lumiere>
ogra: telnet ofc
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<Gadi>
just password protect those bad boys
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;)
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<Lumiere>
bbiab
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<Q-FUNK>
now that the GX2 support is fixed in xf86-video-geode, you guys can go ahead and remove your fallback to -vesa
08:53
it works again for karmic and squeeze
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i.e. geode 2.11.4.1 and up
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<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: !!
08:54
I tested it for you
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though it sounds like you already did
08:55
:)
08:55
yeah, in Jaunty it fell back to vesa
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but when I specified Geode, it seemed to work fine (with std 19" monitor)
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<stgraber>
I updated the code in the Debian package, that'll be fixed for Ubuntu with next upload
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<Gadi>
I have logs if you want them
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:08
Ah, gadi and stgraber.
09:09
I've got some additions for scanner support. Any objections if I push? They're just mods the the ltsp starup script.
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: does it rely on inetd?
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<sbalneav>
no
09:16
In newer saned versions, you can start saned -a
09:16
which runs saned in standalone mode.
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<Q-FUNK>
I wonder why someone needs to specify geode, though
09:18
the driver should autodetect the chipset
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Gadi: does your log say what X tries to match the chipset with, if you don't specify geode?
09:20
!s
09:20
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:26
<stgraber>
sbalneav: please push
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<sbalneav>
hokie. 5 minutes.
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<Q-FUNK>
stgraber: actually, same question. what does X try to match you with, if you don't specify geode?
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09:38* ogra grins http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/02/photo-and-descriptio.html
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<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: it fell back on vesa - I only have the log from when I specified "geode" not the one from not specifying
09:41
you'll have to wait till I get home tonight
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for that one
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
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<alkisg>
My router supports QoS based on some types of "traffic behaviors" like BE, AF1x, AF2x, AF3x, AF4x, and BF. How can I characterize traffic in Linux? E.g. specify that web traffic => BE and ftp traffic =>AF1x? Or I didn't understand this at all?
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<jammcq>
good morning homies
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<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: wait, I remember: GX2 and GX1 have conflicting PCI ID mnaufacturers.
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<sbalneav>
Patch pushed. Please see my post in ltsp-develop.
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<ogra>
what did you break ?
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<sbalneav>
I don't *think* I broke anything? Did I? :(
10:33
It seemed to build OK for me.
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Or are you just giving me a hard time? :)
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<ogra>
just joking
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<sbalneav>
heh
10:40
Hey, I fixed sabayon. I do have *SOME* successes :)
10:40
<ogra>
would be funny if you could break something with these few lines :)
10:40
why do you make it depening on a lts.conf var ?
10:41
put in a udev rule ... if a scanner is plugged in it automatically is usable :)
10:41
no need to tinker with lts.conf
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i mean, your change just fires up saned ... that could happen on plug events
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<stgraber>
Q-FUNK: it goes with vesa if I don't force it
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<nubae|work>
ogra, why dat:- we use /usr/bin/python not
10:46
"/usr/bin/env python
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: I added sane-utils to karmic's depend for the next upload. (I'll need to see if I need an exception ... it's actually a regression from a very old LTSP but well ...)
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<nubae|work>
whats wrong with the second option?
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<ogra>
debian policy
10:48* nubae|work rolls his eyes
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<nubae|work>
:-)
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<sbalneav>
ogra: yeah, probably should do it that way, but this, I felt, was "safest"
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<ogra>
/usr/bin/python is guaranteed to be controilled by the distro
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<sbalneav>
stgraber: cool
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<ogra>
while /usr/local/bin/python might break in intresting ways ... whatever you have there as /usr/local/bin/python
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<sbalneav>
Thanks. It's a fairly small addition. Squeeze it though as a bugfix :)
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<ogra>
nubae_, why do you roll your eyes ?
10:49
stgraber, why would you need any exception ? you just add a dep of something thats even on the CD by default
10:50
deps dont need exceptions
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<stgraber>
ogra: I'll need one for the new ltsp
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ogra: as we don't currently have sbalneav's code in karmic
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<ogra>
pfft
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<nubae|work>
I think its the mention of the word debian policy...
10:50
somehow it makes my spine tingle...
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<stgraber>
ogra: but I can likely hide that behind a few bug fixes ;)
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<jammcq>
nubae|work: that's your spidey senses
10:51
tingling
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<stgraber>
or call that a regression from 4.x making it a bufix release and not requiring a FFe :)
10:51
<ogra>
nubae_, well, python in your env could be set by $evil_mail_attchment_you_clicked ;) its a lot safer to use a proper path
10:52* nubae|work would never click on an evil mail attachment
10:52
<nubae|work>
but I get the point...
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<ogra>
but 80% of your users would ;)
10:53
because they won the lottery !
10:53
<nubae|work>
well... they are linux users....
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<sbalneav>
80? I wish it was that low
10:53
<nubae|work>
though teachers and kids
10:53
<ogra>
ok
10:53
<nubae|work>
so yeah
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11:12
<Q-FUNK>
stgraber: on which Ubuntu release did you make your test that required specifying "geode" in xorg.conf?
11:12
Gadi: same question :)
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11:16
<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: jaunty
11:17
<Q-FUNK>
I might have a patch to xserver-core to make it work. stay tuned.
11:17
<Gadi>
sbalneav: don't we need to specify SANE_NET_HOSTS env var in the session, too?
11:18
<sbalneav>
Gadi: By default, it appears to be putting "+" in the saned.conf
11:18
But, it might be worthwhile adding that.
11:18
<Gadi>
right, but SANE_NET_HOSTS handles USB stuff
11:19
<sbalneav>
Not sure I follow?
11:19
<Gadi>
unless all the usblib/devusb crap was worked out
11:19
well, back when I did scanner stuff in 4.2....
11:19* Gadi pulls his armchair close to the fire
11:20
<sbalneav>
heh
11:20
You and me both.
11:20
<jammcq>
SANE_NET_HOSTS is just so your client program (xsane) knows where to find the scanner
11:20
<Gadi>
correct
11:20
but, it used to be...
11:20
<jammcq>
but you can also do 'xsane -h ws001'
11:20
and other things like that
11:20
<Gadi>
that you needed to specify device
11:20
and the device kept changing
11:21
<sbalneav>
Now it seems to autodetect nicely
11:21
<Gadi>
but, if you just set SANE_NET_HOSTS to just the hostname
11:21
<sbalneav>
At least it did for me with my little scanner at home.
11:21
<Gadi>
it figured stuff out by itself
11:21
or some such
11:21
<jammcq>
hmm
11:21
<Gadi>
automatically
11:21
<ogra>
like magic ?
11:21
<jammcq>
"kept changing" ?
11:21
<Gadi>
sbalneav: did you run xsane from command line with an argument?
11:21
or did you just run Xsane and it found it?
11:22
<sbalneav>
I ran it with an argument to point it to the ws.
11:22
<Gadi>
"kept changing = usb device location depending upon when udev discovered it
11:22
<jammcq>
oh
11:22
<Gadi>
right
11:22
<jammcq>
but that's server-side (thin client being the server in this case)
11:22
<Gadi>
so setting SANE_NET_HOSTS will make it so you can run it graphically with no argument
11:22
:)
11:22
<jammcq>
yeah, I suppose
11:23
<Gadi>
anyway, it was necessary magic back in the day
11:23
<jammcq>
for my needs, I have a python program that looks up in a database to see which scanner that user should be accessing
11:23
<Gadi>
and should prolly be added to CLIENT_ENV
11:23
on the client
11:23
<sbalneav>
Well, I can certainly add that in.
11:23
<jammcq>
and the python program acquires the image from the scanner. no xsane in my case
11:24
<Gadi>
sbalneav: prolly in an ldm/rc.d/X* script
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<sbalneav>
Sure. "If SCANNER=True then..."
11:25
I'll have a look at that after I get back from Lunch
11:26
<Gadi>
thx
11:26
not using inetd sure does save on lots of inetd tweaking
11:26
:)
11:26
also, if you don't wrap a conditional around saned, you should prolly 2>/dev/null
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<Gadi>
so it doesn't get ugly when someone enables scanner with no saned
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, good point.
11:30* ogra would still just wrap all of it into udev rules so you dont have to flip switches but it just works
11:37
<sbalneav>
Well, we'll make that round 2 :)
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12:47* nubae_ just sent a heartfelt email asking for volunteeerism.... wonders if he'll get it, wonder's if they'll get it...
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12:55* Nubae tries to pull a git branch via bazaar...
13:05
<stgraber>
Q-FUNK: karmic and jaunty
13:05
and looking at the code, intrepid
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
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<Q-FUNK>
stgraber: I'm trying a small patch to xserver-xorg-core on karmic and pushing it to my PPA. can you check later whether it fixes auto-detection and skips the need for any xorg.conf?
13:20
<stgraber>
I can test that next time I'm around my Geode box (hopefully tonight)
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<ftherese>
Why would ltsp-update-image execute normally yet not create any image files in the tftpboot directory?
13:27
the first server I set up works just fine
13:28
this is the second one I have set up, and I did it the exact same way, and the update-images script takes just as long as it should but where are the images? not where they belong?!?
13:29
The first one I have set up works just fine
13:29
<Gadi>
images are created in /opt/ltsp/images
13:29
and thats where they belong
13:30
images are exported with nbd - not downloaded via tftp
13:31
<knipwim>
johnny: gentoo provides a latest-iso.txt in their distfiles arch dirs!
13:31
<johnny>
ltsp-update-kernels does tftp ftherese
13:32
.txt ?
13:32
so..what about a latest-stage3 orwhatever?
13:34
<ftherese>
ok
13:34
<knipwim>
http://mirrors.kernel.org/gentoo/releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-iso.txt
13:34
<ftherese>
Gadi
13:35
<Ahmuck-Sr>
you can't get a horse trainer to volunteer to fly a plane
13:35
<knipwim>
redirected from distfiles.gentoo.org
13:35
<ftherese>
why does the first server... which works... have the whole tftp directory populated /var/lib/tftp.../ltsp/i386/initrd.img
13:36
and the servers that do not work, and which state File Not Found on PXE boot, not contain the img files?
13:36
<knipwim>
sorry, http://mirrors.kernel.org/gentoo/releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3.txt
13:36
<Gadi>
thats an initramfs
13:36
not an image
13:36
that gets updated with ltsp-update-kernels
13:36
or ltsp-build-client
13:36
<ftherese>
well... it doesn't...
13:37
<Gadi>
then you did not run either of the above
13:37
<ftherese>
should I just scrap the whole /opt/ltsp dir
13:37
I DID RUN THEM
13:37
SEVERAL TIMES
13:37
<Gadi>
and you can run ltsp-update-image until your blue in the face, and it won't help
13:37
<ftherese>
I have run all the ltsp-update-sshkeys
13:37
ltsp-update-kernel
13:37
<Gadi>
are you missing the entire tftpboot directory?
13:38
<ftherese>
no... I have the directory
13:38
all the way up to i386
13:38
but the only thing inside is my lst.conf file
13:38
lts.conf
13:38
<Gadi>
ah, so you don't even have pxelinux installed
13:39
you must have uninstalled something by accident
13:39
on that server
13:39
<ftherese>
like what and or how?
13:39
<Gadi>
one sec - I'll find you a pkg name
13:39
<ftherese>
why would that have happened on two servers that I set up, and not on one of them?
13:40
I set the all up at the same time and the same way
13:40
well... one of them is actually set up in french
13:40
i mean two of them
13:40
and the first is in english
13:40
but that shouldn't matter
13:42
I set them up using ubuntu jaunty ltsp server option
13:42
<Gadi>
so, do you get an error when you run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
13:42
<ftherese>
no error
13:42
<Gadi>
try: sudo ltsp-update-kernels --arch i386
13:43
(are you on a 64-bit machine?)
13:43
<ftherese>
no 386
13:44
that's odd
13:44
it says unrecogniezed option
13:44
spelled right of course
13:44
<Gadi>
oh, sorry - my mistake
13:44
ltsp-update-kernels doesn't take that option
13:45
<ftherese>
it is only for build
13:45
<Gadi>
is /opt/ltsp/i386 present?
13:45
<ftherese>
yes
13:45
<Gadi>
hmm...
13:45
and ltsp-build-client worked with no errors?
13:46
<ftherese>
correct
13:46
I am considering deleting the whole /opt/ltsp though
13:47
and just trying to rebuild
13:47
<Gadi>
yeah
13:47
try that
13:48
its very strange
13:48
ur not low on disk space are you?
13:48
<ftherese>
nope
13:48
fresh install of everything
13:49
df shows only 29% disk use
13:52
should I just rebuild then... that is a very large pain, but if it solves the problem it is worth it.
13:54
<alkisg>
ftherese: do you have /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0 ?
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<ftherese>
checking
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<ftherese>
alkisg: nothing in boot either... strange
13:56
<alkisg>
ftherese: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l syslinux
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<ftherese>
alkisg: three lines of strange information followed by the list which includes ii syslinux version 2.3... Bootloader for Linux/...
13:59
<alkisg>
ftherese: hmmm ok try: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
14:00
<ftherese>
ok
14:00
<alkisg>
dpkg-reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.28-15-generic
14:00
dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.28-15-generic
14:00
or whatever your kernel is
14:00
to see what kernel you have in the chroot: dpkg -l linux-image*|grep ^ii
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<ftherese>
no package corresponds to linux-image?
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<alkisg>
there's a star there, *
14:02
<ftherese>
I used it
14:03
<alkisg>
Urm... try (in the chroot): dpkg -l linux*
14:03
and upload the result to pastebot.ltsp.org
14:03
If you don't have a kernel installed, yeah, ltsp-update-kernels wouldn't do anything...
14:03* alkisg wonders why, and what else would be missing
14:04
<ftherese>
oooo
14:04
it is weird
14:04
I'll upload it
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<ltsppbot>
"ftherese" pasted "Problems with ltsp packages and update-image" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/499
14:06
<alkisg>
ftherese: did that setup *ever* work?
14:06
<ftherese>
the first time yes
14:06
<alkisg>
It seems like you never installed a kernel, that the ltsp-build-client was interrupted or something...
14:07
<ftherese>
bizzare
14:07
<alkisg>
(I mean *after* the ltsp-build-client...)
14:07
<ftherese>
no
14:07
it never worked I guess... but I installed a bunch of packages like openoffice and firefox etc
14:07
<alkisg>
OK if you want you can try to install a kernel - otherwise just delete the chroot and re-run ltsp-build-client
14:07
<ftherese>
our connection to the internet is not very fast
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<ftherese>
I'd like to try installing the kernel
14:08
<alkisg>
Don't you have the alternate cd, to use as a source, instead of downloading the packages from the internet?
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<ftherese>
hmmm... I guess if I knew how to do that I would
14:08
<alkisg>
(ubuntu? version?)
14:08
<ftherese>
I am just so used to it grabbing things from the internet
14:09
jaunty
14:09
xubuntu
14:09
alternate
14:09
but I have to use the ubuntu desktop, because the menu items don't work right for localapps in xfce4
14:09
ubuntu-desktop is installed on the server
14:10
<alkisg>
Umm.... that's too many restrictions for me :)
14:10
<ftherese>
what do you mean?
14:10
<alkisg>
I mean that you'd need the advice of someone more experienced than me
14:11
<ftherese>
I have one working server
14:11
it is just peachy
14:11
I wanted to set up three identical ones
14:11
<alkisg>
Anyway, just try installing the kernel for starters: (sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386)
14:11
mount -t proc proc /proc
14:11
apt-get install linux-image-generic
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<ftherese>
ok
14:13
I'll let you know when its done installing... be back in about 15
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<alkisg>
(but if you wanted 3 identical ones, why don't you just scp the whole /opt/ltsp ?)
14:14
<vagrantc>
ftherese: you might want to explore using something such as "approx" to cache your packages.
14:14* alkisg uses apt-cacher
14:15
<vagrantc>
ftherese: i don't know if ubuntu supports it, but debian has --copy-package-cache and --copy-package-lists options to save the expensive internet downloads on the server side so you can re-run it without having to re-download everything
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<alkisg>
It does. Also there is a command line to ltsp-build-client to enable the alternate cdrom as a source, but I don't have it handy...
14:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: ping
14:20
<Ahmuck-Sr>
ack
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<Q-FUNK>
stgraber: ok, I built patched X servers in both Karmic and Jaunty via my PPA. in combination with geode 2.11.4.1, it should auto-detect a GX2 without any xorg-conf. you can confirm on LP bug #423866 whether it worked for you.
14:41
<bf>
alkisg: ok... could you tell me real quick how scp works?
14:41
that sounds very useful
14:41
<Guest48231>
man scp
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14:42
<cg_uira>
Hi, someone to know how to boot ltsp from tftp server?
14:43
<Guest48231>
cg_uira: what OS are you running?
14:43
<cg_uira>
debian
14:43
<Guest48231>
what version?
14:44
<cg_uira>
lenny
14:44
<Guest48231>
bam -- http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
14:44
if you have already gotten past that point, ensure firewalls are diabled, make sure dhcp is being served properly
14:44
also: make sure tftp is installed :)
14:44
err tftpd
14:45
<cg_uira>
I have a tftp-pxe server on debian lenny
14:45
<Guest48231>
is your client getting an IP address on boot?
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14:46
<vagrantc>
the server recommended for debian LTSP is tftpd-hpa or atftpd
14:46* vagrantc can't chat much at the moment, though
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<cg_uira>
Guest48231: yes, but I want that one option of boot menu of pxe will be ltsp
14:47
I want have chain boot for ltsp
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<cg_uira>
_UsUrPeR_: Do you understand what I want to do?
14:52
<vagrantc>
cg_uira: you might have luck using dnsmasq's pxe menu support...
14:53
alkisg knows more about it than i do
14:54
dnsmasq can actually do both dhcp and tftp
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14:56* _UsUrPeR_ did not understand
14:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
sorry for misleading :)
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<cg_uira>
vagrantc: thank, I'm going to check it out
14:57
<vagrantc>
i don't really understand what you mean by chain boot, though
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<cg_uira>
vagrantc: I have a pxe server with many distributions of linux in the menu boot
15:00
then, I want that ltsp server be one of those options
15:01
<alkisg>
cg_uira: there are many ways to provide a menu.
15:01
<Gadi>
sounds like he has the menu
15:01
<alkisg>
One is a pxe menu. Another, more usual and more powerful, is a pxelinux menu
15:01
<Gadi>
do you just need the entry?
15:01
<alkisg>
The first one is displayed *before* the tftp server is contacted, the second one afterwards
15:02
Which one do you want?
15:06
<cg_uira>
alkisg: is a pxelinux menu
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<alkisg>
OK. So you'd just put another label & menu entry there...
15:07
Here's an example from a menu I have handy: http://pastebin.com/f301f7dc6
15:08
If you're using debian, you'd need something like the "LABEL Jaunty-ltsp (nfs)" entry
15:09
<cg_uira>
alkisg: but, the information in the ltsp label redirect to one ltsp server?
15:09
or is for install the server?
15:09
<alkisg>
You mean that the pxe server is on a different machine?
15:10
<cg_uira>
I want that redirect to my ltsp server already install in my net
15:10
yes
15:10
<alkisg>
It's easier to have 1 dhcp server and many tftp servers
15:11
Hmm....
15:12
You could easily do it with pxe menus, instead of pxelinux menus, because the work before the tftp stage. But now...
15:12
<Gadi>
cg_uira: the ltsp kernel and initrd need to live with the pxe server
15:13
if you have one pxe server, you would need to keep track of which kernel version goes with which ltsp server
15:14
unless the pxeserver also houses your chroot image
15:14
<cg_uira>
but, my pxeserver is one virtual machine, and my ltsp server is another machine
15:15
I want that my client machine will have options for boot ltsp or another linux distribution
15:16
<alkisg>
cg_uira: if you don't mind for it to be a simple menu (nothing fancy), and using dnsmasq, that can be done with pxe menus
15:17
But you'd need dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server
15:18
<Gadi>
alternatively, just copy the initrd and vmlinuz from the ltsp server to the pxe server
15:18
and add an: nbdroot=<LTSP server IP>
15:18
to the pxelinux.cfg menu
15:18
entry
15:18
<alkisg>
nfs, i think...
15:18
(debian?)
15:18
<Gadi>
ah
15:19
<alkisg>
nfsroot=<ip>:/path
15:19
<vagrantc>
cg_uira: did you write the menu structure you have already, or was it someone else?
15:19
<Gadi>
hmm... that would be in the root-path entry, I think
15:19
ah or that
15:21
<johnny>
somebody should write service discovery support for that
15:21
that would be neat..
15:22
<alkisg>
I think pxe supports that...
15:22
...but just the specs, no software :)
15:22
<johnny>
new spec then?
15:22
obviously not the oldest spec..
15:26
<alkisg>
I think it's the 2.1 pxe spec? not sure, it's been some time since i glanced at this spec...
15:27
<cg_uira>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/m1b090c5c
15:27
this is my structure in /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
15:30
<alkisg>
cg_uira: are you willing to be copying the kernel/initrd.img to your pxe server manually ?
15:34
<cg_uira>
alkisg: yes
15:34
<alkisg>
cg_uira: then you could just use nfsroot=<ip>:/path...
15:35
See the jaunty (nfs) entry in the pxelinux.cfg/default I've posted, and just include an <ip> there.
15:37
LABEL LTSP
15:37
KERNEL vmlinuz
15:37
APPEND ro initrd=initrd.img boot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386
15:38
<cg_uira>
192.168.0.1 is the ip address for my ltsp server?
15:38
<alkisg>
yes
15:38
<johnny>
fedora 12 alpha is nice
15:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc correct me if something isn't right for debian ^^^
15:39
<johnny>
there is kms support in nouveau now
15:39
<cg_uira>
alkisg: ok, thanks, I will try this
15:39
<johnny>
even for my 4 year old chip
15:39
<alkisg>
Is nouveau in the kernel tree?
15:40
<johnny>
i think so
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: looks good
15:40
<johnny>
the 2d performance is still not all that good tho
15:40
<alkisg>
I think it still uses dkms in karmic.... and I don't think it has replaced nv yet :(
15:41
xv is good, though
15:41
<johnny>
they replaced nv in fedora 11
15:41
it just sucks that you can't use both nouveau and nvidia :(
15:41
<alkisg>
Both? Why?
15:42
<johnny>
for the kms support, while still having 3d in X
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<alkisg>
Ah right. Is kms so important? Or is it just for the boot screen? (/me doesn't have any card that supports kms ...:()
15:42
<johnny>
well.. atm it is mostly just for the boot screen
15:43
that's certainly not the long term goal
15:43
wayland X server runs everything from kms
15:43
if more work happens in the kernel.. i wonder what will happen in nvidia..
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<johnny>
especially if X on linux relies on features only available via gpl exported symbols
15:44
<alkisg>
I'm sure they'll find a way... wrappers etc
15:44
<johnny>
they can't do kms now tho..
15:45
that's what all the posts on nvnews.net by nvidia employees
15:45
<alkisg>
It's a little early, isn't it? Give them time...
15:45
<johnny>
they say they can't at all.. not that they can't yet
15:46
<alkisg>
Is GPL => LGPL => Proprietary linking possible?
15:46
Or it all has to be gpl?
15:46
(where lgpl would be the wrapper)
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<bf>
scp is taking even longer than I would have thought
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<Appiah>
does get_hosts script work on LTSP5 ?
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<bf>
hello?
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I am wondering why some of my light terminals are booting to Ubuntu without ps2 mouse support
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is there a package missing or something?
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<bf>
keyboard works
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but not the ps/2 mouse
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usb mouse works
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<Lns>
What's everyone's favorite ldap editor?
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(and please don't say 'vim' ;) )
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<jammcq>
vim
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err
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yeah, vim, for EVERYTHING :)
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<Q-FUNK>
nano
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<sbalneav>
Vim
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And after that...
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vim
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Or maybe gq
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or vim
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<Q-FUNK>
and sometimes vim
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...unless elvis is there.
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but then again nano.
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