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<nubae1>
hey cyberorg.. did u ever manage to get latest ldm working?
08:30
<cyberorg>
nubae1, nope
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<Nubae>
cyberorg: I liked your idea of a blog about ltsp stuff... so I started my own :-)
09:09
<cyberorg>
we need planet.ltsp.org :)
09:09
<Nubae>
or news.ltsp.org
09:09
olpc has a cool site called olpc news... its quite successful
09:10
and LTSP has far more deployments... just no one knows about them
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<cyberorg>
Nubae, wheres the link?
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<frin>
I was wondering the same thing... you have a blog about ltsp too, cyberorg?
09:30
<Nubae>
cyberorg: theres nothing on it yet... just writing my first stuff now... but its here nubae.com
09:30
or nubae.net
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<cyberorg>
frin, no, not specifically about ltsp http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/ :)
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<Nubae>
love the fact that nubae.com wasn't taken
09:31
<frin>
thanks
09:31
<Nubae>
found an awsome blogging soft... Habari
09:31
<cyberorg>
frin, almost all posts are tagged, so you can find ltsp related stuff quickly
09:31
<Nubae>
means what's the news -- Swahili
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<frin>
cyberorg, seems to be mostly opensuse related tho :)
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<cyberorg>
frin, that is what i work on, ltsp and maintain compiz for opensuse :)
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<nubae>
cyberorg: whats the best way to get a script to execute within the thin client whenever a change is made to a particular file?
09:40
<cyberorg>
nubae, what are you trying to do?
09:43
<nubae>
ok... right now I'm grabbing non system users from the server, putting them into a dir that is nfs mounted and protected
09:43
I need to then scp that to the thin client and add to userconfig in /etc
09:44
right now I'm using a cronjob on the server
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and a cronjob on the client to grab that data
09:44
but it really should be done on change of the /etc/passwd file
09:44
if thats possible at all
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<cyberorg>
nubae, just run a script when you change anything manually
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<nubae>
I'd like to keep it automated
09:48
its going to be used by quite a lot of people, reminding them to do that is a little silly
09:48
<vagrantc>
nubae: libnss-extrausers ?
09:48
nubae: allows you to have supplimentary group/passwd files
09:48
<nubae>
I'll look into that, thats how local apps works?
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<vagrantc>
no, it was a proposal, but we did direct mangling of /etc/* instead.
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<nubae>
ok... the other option is to run a script on ldm startup
09:50
and maybe on user logout
09:50
but thats ugly... who knows how often that would be...
09:51
<vagrantc>
another approach which i played with briefly is to use localapps to run everything locally
09:51
including the window managers
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and desktop and such
09:51
<nubae>
that would make my script obsolete :-)
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<nubae>
did it work?
09:52
<vagrantc>
the only problem i had with it so far was that the localapp stuff didn't have a way to communicate that the session was ended properly.
09:53
but that shouldn't be too hard to set up.
09:53
it would require some code changes...
09:54
<cyberorg>
nubae, i think ldap will be much much simpler than what you are trying to do :)
09:55
<nubae>
cyberorg: it requires getting the user to install ldap on the server and client... which differs with every distro
09:56
not to mention still need to migrate all users from passwd, shadow, etc
09:56
this script requires no input... and works on different distros
09:57
I say that self critically having written the Ubuntu howto on ldap fatclients and ltsp
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<Skarmeth>
hi all
11:05
warren, can you give me some light?
11:05
I set up a LTSP5 server (F8 on server, F9 on client chroot)
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When I boot up a client, it get's on Run Level: prompt
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I have another LTSP5 server (F9 server, F9 client) working fine.
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<warren>
F8 is totally unsupported
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I haven't done any builds for it for many months
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<ogra>
and likely has a different upstart version
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<alkisg>
Hi, when LDM_DIRECTX=True, is there anything that may be compressing (without me knowing it) e.g. a video that gets sent to ltsp clients? Cause in theory, 1024x768x24bppx30fps=540Mbps, but in practice I can see video OK even with 100Mbps connections (single client)... Or, is there any way to count fps for benchmarks?
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<stgraber>
alkisg: the X protocol doesn't just send a bitmap of the whole screen
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alkisg: it sends the changes, so only your video player uses the bandwidth
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<alkisg>
stgraber, ok, but when playing a dvd, the whole screen changes
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stgraber, so I thought that it would require 560Mbps... And the weird thing is, if the clients have a graphics card like nvidia with the "nv" driver, I see in iptraf that 560Mbps are send, but the driver doesn't actually display them,
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stgraber, while if another driver is used (different card) only ~70Mbps are sent, and more fps are displayed... so I'm puzzled! :)
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I'm guessing that some drivers can "block" the traffic if they can't display all the frames, while others receive all the traffic but can't display all the frames... Either that, or something compresses the sent screen changes without me knowing it!
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<stgraber>
some drivers support XV some others don't
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nv doesn't, ati/intel/via/... does
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<alkisg>
***googling for xv... :)
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<alkisg>
Uh, I see, scaling... that would explain lots of things
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<stgraber>
yeah
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<alkisg>
stgraber, so to clear things up, if I playback a video with resolution 1024x768 (so no scaling needed/performed), then I'll be able to see the real bandwidth, right?
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<alkisg>
I mean, bandwidth <=> fps relevance
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stgraber, thanks, you helped me a lot!
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<warren>
Hmm. My art people want me to rearrange where things are displayed on the LDM interface.
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clock top right, hostname top left
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<vagrantc>
oh, fun.
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warren: just fork the greeter :)
14:35* vagrantc hopes it won't require forking
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<jammcq>
hey hey
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<ogra-maemo>
he could just implement a qt version :)
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warren: why is this so important ?
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<johnny>
your art people should go find higher hanging fruit
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<ogra-maemo>
heh
14:48* vagrantc thinks distro-wide consistancy is not a bad thing
14:49* ogra-maemo agrees .. especially documentation wise
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<johnny>
hmm.. but if fedora's gdm theme has it the way he wants ldm
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<warren>
ogra-maemo: they even did the coding work
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<johnny>
then consistancy on that side is important to
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<nubae>
ocrscript is kool... finally a decent ocr app in linux
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<nubae>
ocroscript even
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<ogra-maemo>
warren: well, if you need to, fork
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<warren>
No, it would look similar to gdm of like 3 years ago.
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<ogra-maemo>
though its a bit sad
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<warren>
(The current gdm looks terrible.)
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<johnny>
so.. fedora is using gdm patches now?
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<warren>
wait huh?
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johnny: I don't think we are
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johnny: you saw the gdm rewrite upstream as of ~7 months ago?
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I really hate it.
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but that's the direction GNOME upstream is going
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<johnny>
did that gdm rewrite actually get included?
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in gnome 2.24?
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<warren>
I don't know
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<johnny>
last i heard, it didn't
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<warren>
Fedora 9 has gdm-2.22.0
14:52* ogra-maemo just wants ldm to look like gdm in ubuntu atm, so they dont differ to much
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<johnny>
but that was really close to the deadline
14:52
ogra, what gdm does ubuntu use in intrepid?
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<ogra-maemo>
and we dont use the experimental version
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<warren>
Fedora 10 has... gdm-2.24.0
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<johnny>
oh
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what is wrong with new gdm?
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<warren>
I think gdm-2.22.0 looks terrible
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<johnny>
terrible?
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<ogra-maemo>
ubuntu uses 2.20
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as debian does
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<johnny>
how is upstream gnome handling this ?
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<warren>
ogra-maemo: Hardy or Intreprid or both?
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<ogra-maemo>
not sure what hardy had, but intrepid has it
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<Skarmeth>
warren, I was playing with LTSP5 (F8 Server, F9 Client), I get the initrd*, vmlinuz* and pxelinux* files from a working F9 Server and Client and I get at the same prompt (Enter runlevel: )
15:23
any clues about what can be triggering this issue?
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<Skarmeth>
I get a error about mounting /selinux and the prompt
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<johnny>
Skarmeth, didn't warren say that it wouldn't work?
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<warren>
i'll be back tomorrow, I really gotta concentrate
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<Skarmeth>
johnny, the part that should not work is the kernel/initrd preparation
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since I get a working pair, it should work
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or something new happem
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s/happem/happen
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<v-pro>
hello
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I guess the ltsp-manager is still under construction?
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<ogra-maemo>
until someone picks it up
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<v-pro>
ok
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<ogra-maemo>
there is a tool developed by suse you could try, google for easy-ltsp
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<v-pro>
any idea how it maps the active clients?
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<ogra-maemo>
i dont think it does, you need to know the MAC of each client
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<v-pro>
so there is no such info on the server?
17:00
I was thinking of making a light conferencing application using pulseaudio
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<ogra-maemo>
well,there is the dhcp leases
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<v-pro>
that is not very good
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it is a start but very accurate
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not
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<johnny>
i just use the hostnames
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<ogra-maemo>
you coould check for nbd connections (or nfs if your disttro uses that)
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<v-pro>
nbd connections could be one
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johnny: what do you mean?
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<johnny>
oh.. thats right. i'm still using thin-client-manager
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<stgraber>
v-pro: you can do that same way I do with iTalc, using avahi
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<johnny>
i wonder what mechanism it sues
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<stgraber>
it's the easiest for small networks
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<johnny>
uses*
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<v-pro>
stgraber: you develop iTalc?
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<ogra-maemo>
johnny, it scans the processlist for ssh connections
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<stgraber>
I package it in Ubuntu and did some patches
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<v-pro>
ok, my colleague is just one of the developers
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<stgraber>
ogra-maemo: btw, I'm working on some small patches to make demo mode to work fine when ica is running in the chroot. I hope to have an updated package to upload post-betafreeze
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v-pro: oh great, who's he ?
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<ogra-maemo>
cool
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<v-pro>
stgraber: Andrei Kruger
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<stgraber>
ogra-maemo: I'm also making italc-launcher use a more modular structure so we can replace avahi by anything else that gives us a list of IP. That way I can integrate it with ltsp-cluster.
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<ogra-maemo>
i got very far with ubuntu-mobile today, so i mmight actually have time for ltsp fixes post beta
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wow
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<stgraber>
ogra-maemo: great :) you can check https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ltsp-cluster-team for bugs we'd like to see fixed :)
17:08
most of them have patches or instructions on how to fix them
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<ogra-maemo>
we include the kde hack in the doc examples since gutsy
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feel free to add a postinst line to one of the cluster packages, but i wont add code that fiddles with user owned dirs in the main package
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<stgraber>
right, "hack". I used that bug because one of my boss told me that he's contacts with some KDE guys who promised us to fix any issue with LTSP :)
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<ogra-maemo>
well, the proper fix is to integrate ltspfs with hal
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<stgraber>
I don't see why KDE couldn't behave just like gnome (well, I have no idea how KDE handles that at all)
17:12
<ogra-maemo>
especially now that we have to have it on the client anyway
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<stgraber>
for now our hack will be to add a link to /media/$USER on the Desktop in our users profile
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ogra-maemo: right
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anyway, the next release we'll deploy to our customers will be Jaunty, Intrepid is only used for testing.
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<ogra-maemo>
the hack we ship is more elegant, check it
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it uses a .desktop file at least
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<stgraber>
oh, great :) Adding it to tomorrow's todolist. It's AFAICS the only difference between KDE4 and Gnome as of LTSP support for now.
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<ogra-maemo>
fusa should really go completely... not sure what to do about that
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its evil
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<stgraber>
yeah ... it should at least just go away without showing scary errors :)
17:16
having all users to click "Remove it from the panel" isn't really an option. I just added that gconf hack to our gnome session scripts .postinst but it'd be great to have it fixed for everyone
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<ogra-maemo>
the prob is that its hardcoded in the ubuntu default desktop setup
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<cliebow>
luciano rocks11
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<cliebow>
daniq!!!!
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<daniQ>
hi! i decided to visit
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<cliebow>
me too
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<daniQ>
: )
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<cliebow>
hows your littleone!
17:35
i saw you out and around the other day,, at the po
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<daniQ>
great...on the lean side but tall and very.very active
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i keep meaning to pop in and visit....Edmund hasn't seen parrots yet
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<cliebow>
heh.he'll see enoughfo a whole nursery school here ;-]
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<daniQ>
he is fascinated by gus,,,gus on the otherhand is totally unimpressed
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<cliebow>
heh..steals all the attentionfot Gus..i bet
17:39
your machine behaving?
17:39* cliebow cliebow turns chicen on barbie
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<daniQ>
so far...the ubuntu side is all old school
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<cliebow>
heh,bet you ever thought you.d say that 1
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leigh isdoing jazzercise tonight
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you should go..leave edmund here for an hour
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luciano rocks11
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<stgraber>
ogra-maemo: heh, I spend one day to end up with a 6-lines patch ... (original one was more like 60)
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but now we have working demo mode when the daemon and the teacher interface aren't on the same computer, package is building in the PPA now
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<cliebow>
stgraber:1!
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<stgraber>
so tomorrow's todolist is now: Get rid of ldm-cluster script and just set env variable for standard ldm and fix udev rules.d (these two were orignally panned for today :))
17:50* ogra-maemo hand stgraber a l
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<stgraber>
thanks :)
17:51* stgraber hands ogra-maemo a s
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<ogra-maemo>
lol
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<stgraber>
ogra-maemo: great work on the ubuntu mobile image, I just started it in kvm and it looks great
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<ogra-maemo>
oh, it boots in kvm now? cool... my locally built one didn't
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<stgraber>
yeah it did
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<ogra-maemo>
you should try it on a umpc :)
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it's really designed for touchscreens
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<stgraber>
those things are still quite expensive last time I had a look
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<ogra-maemo>
yeah
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<stgraber>
but I have a couple of touchscreen at the office that i could use to try it
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(serial crap that needs some manually generated xorg.conf ...)
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(and a patched xorg driver)
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<ogra-maemo>
i'll fix that in jaunty ;)
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<stgraber>
that's some elographics touchscreen, the driver was really broken
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<ogra-maemo>
i only cared for evttouch this release
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i'll care for the rest next round
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<stgraber>
going in infinite loops and handling only STREAM and RELEASE not CLICK which is really bad for a touchscreen
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s/CLICK/PRESS/
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<ogra-maemo>
yeah
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they all need love
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especiallly with hal-input
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<stgraber>
but well, that was only for some beta testing, if the customer confirms the order, we'll use a better terminal (test one was 200Mhz and 128MB of ram ...) and an USB touchscreen
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<daniQ>
jazzercize?
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<ogra-maemo>
usb evtouch isnt bad
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<daniQ>
i would love to leave Edmund there for an hour...
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my little one calls
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<ogra-maemo>
?
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<stgraber>
well, anything that I can use with hal would be fine :) I like autodetection for that kind of things
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<ogra-maemo>
oh, that was a real delayed answer it seems :)
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serial will be probleematic... bbut everything else will be fine
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<loather-work>
hi
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