IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 14 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

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00:48
<TheProf>
Hello. If I am trying to deploy more thin clients and want to lessen the load on the LTSP server, do I want to use localapps or thick clients? I'm not sure I understand the difference?
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00:59
<vagrantc>
TheProf: fat clients run all the applications locally, which genreally means integration between apps is better
00:59
TheProf: localapps run individual applications locally
01:01
but anything that requires authentication with either localapps or fatclients still oesn't work without a lot of manual configuration and ldap or something
01:02
<TheProf>
Hello vagrantc. Thanks for your reply. I'm going to be doubling the load on my LTSP (edubuntu) server. Generally people are going to be using Firefox and Libre Office. If those are the main applications do you recommend LocalApps or fatclient?
01:06
<vagrantc>
fatclients if your hardware can handle it
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01:08
<TheProf>
vagrantc: Yes my thin clients are all Core 2 Duo machines with 2 GB Ram so I believe they can handle it. Do you have a preferred HOWTO online you recommend?
01:09
<vagrantc>
!fatclient
01:09
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'fatclient', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients', 'fatclient-printers'
01:09
<vagrantc>
!fatclients
01:09
<ltsp>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
01:09
<vagrantc>
maybe there?
01:09
<TheProf>
Great thank you I'll check it out.
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08:08
<rickogden>
hi
08:09
I'm getting sporadic issues with LTSP fat clients stuck at the "negotiation" stage of booting. I've tried restarting the NBD server but that doesn't fix it. The only solution I've found is to reboot the whole server. Does anyone have any idea what it is?
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09:53
<alkisg>
rickogden: there's a bug for the current nbd-server version in which the server hangs and after that no client will boot anyomore
09:53
service stop nbd-server won't do it; you'd need to kill -9 it
09:54
The bug report contains a patch, but I think that the maintainer didn't like it much, didn't accept it upstream yet
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10:29
<rickogden>
alkisg: ah thanks
10:31
alkisg: I did try to restart the service, but as you said, it doesn't work… the annoying thing is if there are existing connections, won't that disconnect any already booted/logged in client?
10:32
also do I have to kill off every /bin/nbd-server process?
10:38
<alkisg>
Not really sure about the details, it's a bit rare, I didn't take the time to try to reproduce it etc. You might want to post to the nbd bug report for details.
10:39
<rickogden>
alkisg: will do, thanks
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15:44
<dawydiuk>
I've got an LTSP server setup with a single client account as all boxes should have the same desktop. Although, there are a few settings that are unique to each station. Specifically the LTSP clients will be using a serial port, which may be /dev/ttyS0 on one box, and /dev/ttyUSB0 on another. In addition each box needs access to an email account. Any suggestions on the best way to meet these unique requirements?
15:45
IIRC I think I can setup an environment variable based on MAC address to specify the dev entry corresponding to the serial port...?
15:45
<alkisg>
Most desktop environments and many applications don't work well with a single client account logged in simultaneously on the same server + home folder...
15:45
lts.conf supports mac based sections, yeah
15:45
<dawydiuk>
ahh didn't think of that
15:45
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
15:45
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
15:46
<dawydiuk>
cool feature pointing to the man page!
15:46
is there a way I can easily clone an account to copy the existing account into 15 unique accounts?
15:46
<alkisg>
cp
15:46
<dawydiuk>
geez
15:46
ok, I figured it was ltsp specific
15:46
<alkisg>
But of course some paths might need editing
15:47
<dawydiuk>
you just recursively copy the home dirs?
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15:47
<dawydiuk>
after creating said account..
15:47
<alkisg>
E.g. if you set the wallpaper to /home/user1/background.png, and you clone that to user2, it will still point to the user1 background.png
15:48
So other ways are logon scripts or mandatory settings etc etc, but none of them is ltsp specific
15:49
Finally, if users won't be saving any files/settings on their own (something like a kiosk), then you can have a local /home/username for everyone, not a server-based one
15:49
That would be ltsp specific...
15:50
<dawydiuk>
interesting on the /home/username it's stored on the local harddrive?
15:50
<alkisg>
Either local, or on a temp drive either in RAM or in an NBD device provided by the server
15:51
<dawydiuk>
thats cool… The setup will be similar to a kiosk in that I don't want them to save locally to the hard drive. They have a home account on a file server hosted via nfs so I'll look into setting that up, but thats a minor detail and not important now
15:51
awesome thanks. It's been about 6 months since I setup the server, so I'll need to review some of the details of configuring an account… When I set it up the biggest pain for me was all client accounts are read only(I like this feature), although it would be really nice from a configuration standpoint to make them writeable so I can login as a user and configure his account and verify it is working, then change it to read only.
15:52
how do you typically setup a user account, all command line on the server? Or is there an easy way
15:52
s/easy/easier/g
15:52
<alkisg>
That's doable, to set up one account and then clone it/make it copy-on-write for other clients...
15:53
I.e. the kiosk mode we were talking about above
15:53
In that case you set that up graphically, as usual
15:53
<dawydiuk>
so I can setup an ltsp client, login as that client and make changes and they will be saved on the server?
15:53
<alkisg>
Yes
15:53
<dawydiuk>
sweet!
15:53
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I want to disable shutdown for certain clients. I mean I don't want the user to be able to shut down the client, at all. I was thinking of renaming the "shutdown" command, if some lts.conf option is set. Would this work?
15:54
<dawydiuk>
this is configurable by account in ltsp.conf I'm assuming?
15:55
<alkisg>
dawydiuk: no, that's the default for ltsp, i.e. every change is saved on the server, while to do the cloning/kiosk mode, you'll need to script it
15:55
Hyperbyte: thin or fat?
15:55
Hyperbyte: also, session only, or ldm too?
15:56
<dawydiuk>
alkisg: Thanks, I must've disabled this feature. I'll comment it out. Thanks for your help!
15:56
<alkisg>
You can disable the session-side shutdown command with policykit, but LDM isn't policy-kit aware.
15:56
dawydiuk: you're welcome
15:56
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, fat and both in session and in ldm
15:58
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: session ==> policy kit, ldm ==> source patching
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, they don't use the shutdown command?
16:18
Just tried doing mv shutdown shutdown.disabled
16:18
LDM shutdown no longer does anything, from session when I do shutdown just logs out
16:20
Which is actually awesomely close to what I want. :-)
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<bcdonadio>
My thinclient is unable to mount the nbd image for some reason, although I can mount it manually with nbd-client. The configs at the dhcpd.conf seems to be right, and I've just regenerated all /var/lib/tftpboot configs. What am I missing?
17:19
<alkisg>
In busybox, `cat /proc/cmdline` and paste it here, and then `cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf` (or is it in /run?) and check ROOTSERVER and ROOTPATH
17:23
<bcdonadio>
alkisg, cmdline: "ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz", ROOTSERVER="189.42.2.4", ROOTPATH="189.42.2.4:/opt/ltsp/i386", filename="/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"
17:24
"nbd-client 189.42.2.4 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0" works just fine
17:26
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, hrm... somehow /etc/rc.local doesn't get executed on my ltsp-pnp installation
17:31
alkisg, hrm... looks like it was missing +x
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18:08
<gbit>
Hello, can I use LTSP to get a XDMCP connection on the dumb machine?
18:09
<vagrantc>
why XDMCP?
18:09
and "dumb machine" ??
18:10
<gbit>
There is a better way?
18:13
<alkisg>
LTSP is used to netboot dump machines, and have them connected to a service via remote X, which is very similar to XDMCP
18:13
But the client gets connected to the server, not the other way around...
18:14
<gbit>
0K, is that faster then XDMCP?
18:14
<alkisg>
The same
18:14
<vagrantc>
usually
18:15
<gbit>
than I can share gnome sessions to the thinclients users, is that correct?
18:15
<bcdonadio>
alkisg, there's anything more that I should check?
18:15
<vagrantc>
you can log into the serer and run sessions there, and dislay them to the thin client
18:16
<alkisg>
bcdonadio: your case seems it'll need a bit more time than I currently have, sorry... maybe someone else can help
18:16
<vagrantc>
although gnome3 doesn't tend to work well on thin clients
18:25
<gbit>
vagrantc, how about network drivers, on thinstation they have limited support for network drivers.
18:29
<vagrantc>
gbit: whatever is available in the host distro
18:29
<gbit>
thanks
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19:59
<other_other_joe>
!kiosk
19:59
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'kiosk', but I do know about these similar topics: 'kiosk-lucid'
19:59
<other_other_joe>
!kiosk-lucid
19:59
<ltsp`>
kiosk-lucid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
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<tecbian>
write in spanish?
20:16
iam from argentina
20:17
thanks
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20:20
<other_other_joe>
can anyone give me a quick rundown on how to get a kiosk up?
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21:06
<dawydiuk>
I created a new user, but when I try to login I get an error "No response from server, restarting". I see the user listed in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and and the permissions look fine. Is there some other step needed to create a new user in ltsp?
21:09
<vagrantc>
usually an ssh key mismatch
21:10
!ssh-keys
21:10
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'ssh-keys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'sshkeys'
21:10
<vagrantc>
!sshkeys
21:10
<ltsp`>
sshkeys: If you changed your LTSP server IP on Ubuntu, your clients will be unable to login. To fix this, you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
21:10
<vagrantc>
dawydiuk: you can ssh to the server with the same username and password?
21:11
other users work fine, or all users don't work
21:11
?
21:11
<dawydiuk>
hmm, your question leads me to believe I setup the user incorrectly… When I added the user I used adduser from within the chroot environment
21:12
previously added user is ok, new user added today does not
21:12
I would assume I couldn't ssh to the server unless the root filesystem of ltsp has the user.
21:14
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386; adduser test; exit
21:16
<vagrantc>
ah, yes, you need to add users to the server
21:16
<dawydiuk>
ok thanks. Will the update image create their home and other meta-data in the chroot environment?
21:16
<vagrantc>
no
21:16
that happens at login
21:17
if needed
21:17
<dawydiuk>
oh wow, thats cool
21:17
thanks for the info
21:17
<vagrantc>
i.e. localapps/fatclient
21:17
only time you typically mess with the chroot is localapps or fatclients
21:18
but users, packages, etc. all hapens on the server itself
21:19
<dawydiuk>
whats your recommendation for setting up each users email info, I plan on giving access via thunderbird?
21:20
That is ideally each person can click on a thunderbird link(already setup) and there email account will be loaded properly(not setup)
21:20
<vagrantc>
don't really use thunderbird
21:21
so not much idea
21:21
<dawydiuk>
do you use a web based mail client for LTSP?
21:21
<vagrantc>
there's nothig LTSP-specific about mail clients...
21:22
i use curses based mail clients, personally, but that's just me :)
21:22
<dawydiuk>
ahh, I used to use pine :)
21:23
the time consuming setup part for me is figuring out what meta-data files for a given application need to be modified to for instance specify username, password, outgoing server...
21:24
as my understanding is this, is all done in the chroot environment at a shell. This means I have to essentially reverse engineer how to do this from the command line if it's not documented for a given app. Am I on the right track, or is there a simpler solution
21:24
<vagrantc>
mozila products make that an ordeal in my experience
21:25
dawydiuk: you don't do any of that sort of configuration in an LTSP chroot environment
21:26
about 97.3% of the time, you just make your modifications on the server itself
21:29
<dawydiuk>
hmm
21:30
I like the 97.3% figure:) Say as an example I want to change the desktop of a user, currently I chroot find the folder for the window manager and change the dot config files. Whats the alternative method ?
21:31
<vagrantc>
are you running fatclients?
21:31
<dawydiuk>
yes
21:31
<vagrantc>
ah, tat's a bit different, then
21:32
<dawydiuk>
it's sounds like there isn't simpler approach for me then?
21:32
<vagrantc>
!ltsp-pnp
21:32
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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23:51
<bennabiy_again>
I have an epoptes question. I need to make a server also a client (I have my ltsp server, which is currently the master over a couple thin clients, which works fine, but need to be able to control the server as well from a different PC outside the ltsp network)
23:51
!seen alkisg
23:51
<ltsp`>
alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 5 hours, 35 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <alkisg> bcdonadio: your case seems it'll need a bit more time than I currently have, sorry... maybe someone else can help
23:52
<bennabiy_again>
!seen phantomas
23:52
<ltsp`>
phantomas was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Phantomas> bennabiy: I've tested it before commiting, but please let me know if logout works after you apply the patch