IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 20 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

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02:57
<luirro>
hi guys
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03:15
<bieb>
I need some help.. I am out of town and an update has cause likewise to stop authenticating against our active directory server. I won't be able to fix it until Monday.. How can I set the server so there is no user authentication? I would be happy if the thin clients were booted and went straight to the desktop. I am running Ubuntu12.04
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03:20
<bieb>
anyone here??
03:49
hello???
04:01
<Pecker>
people are here
04:01
but is that a ltsp question?
04:02
sounds more of liek samba or whaterver u use for active directory to me
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04:09
<bieb>
Pecker: the ltsp part is.. how can I setup a lab to autologin to a generic user to get around the AD issue until I get back in town
04:11
Pecker: is there something I can do in lts.conf? like LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True and give it a username and password in the conf file?
04:12
since I am not there, I can't post a generic set of login credentials..
04:13
I just want to be able to call someone from the Library.. and say.. "go reboot the clients" and when they reboot they go directly to the ubuntu desktop
04:17
Pecker: any idea if that would work?
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07:45
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning everyone
07:46
<alkisg>
Καλημέρα
07:46
<muppis>
07:46
<alkisg>
WTF-8
07:46
<muppis>
:P
07:48
I reallt should take a look my settings are they out of their mind or I've messed them up.
07:50
Oh, I think I suddenly founded why those chars are messed. Does these work: ö and ä ?
07:52
<alkisg>
Yey!
07:52
<muppis>
Recoding settings where wrong. :)
07:52
<alkisg>
...what now? In screen? Irssi?
07:52
<muppis>
In Irssi.
07:52
<alkisg>
Meh
07:53
<Hyperbyte>
I've just found out something awesome!
07:53
When I reinstalled my terminal server with Ubuntu 12.04 oh, eh - a month ago or so
07:53
<muppis>
recode_out_default_charset was ISO-8859-15 so Irssi sended chars to server as ISO-8859-15 but showed locally as UTF-8.
07:53
<Hyperbyte>
My SSH fingerprint changed....
07:54
I forgot to tell my backup server to accept the new fingerprint... as a result, I haven't made any backups of any company data in over a month ....
07:54
Don't tell my boss. :o
07:55
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, just wish you don't need make restores from that time before retention expires. :)
07:55
<Hyperbyte>
Heh
07:57
<muppis>
We use Bacula so need to worry about ssh keys only in few special cases.
07:58
<Hyperbyte>
I use rsync. :)
07:58
<muppis>
:D
07:58
<Hyperbyte>
My backup server has root access via ssh keys to all my other servers. It's the most dangerous server in my network. :P
07:59
(and the most secluded)000
07:59
<alkisg>
...shouldn't it be the other way around?
08:00
cron jobs running as root, sending data to the backup server with no root access?
08:01
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, that means that if someone happens to hack any server in my network, they can delete all my backups as well.
08:01
<alkisg>
Why, do you have to have the same account for each station?
08:01
(or ssh keys or whatever...)
08:01
<Hyperbyte>
No, but then you could still delete all backups for that one server.
08:02
<alkisg>
Not if you don't have ssh access
08:02
<Hyperbyte>
I hack server A, and delete all backups server A has made...
08:02
<alkisg>
You just need an interface there
08:02
<Hyperbyte>
I think the other way around is much more secure.
08:03
<alkisg>
E.g. you want to disallow the clients to delete backups? disallow them, only allow them to add backups
08:03
<Hyperbyte>
All my other servers have lots of applications running on them, lots of users running around on them...
08:03
My backup server is completely isolated... no user access, no remote access even.
08:03
<alkisg>
If the clients don't have an interface to delete data from the backup server, even if they're hacked, they cannot
08:03
<Hyperbyte>
There's no daemons running on there.
08:04
alkisg, yes, and now if they're hacked, they can't get to the backup server at all.
08:05
<alkisg>
Yes, I'm talking about the problem of your backup server being hacked, which is equivalent to accessing all the servers on your network
08:05
Single point of failure
08:05
<Hyperbyte>
Backup server is only physically accessible... still the best protection against any form of hackers.
08:05
<alkisg>
While otherwise, if one hacked the backup server, he couldn't access the clients
08:05
Hyperbyte: there's no such thing as "only physically accessible" when you're on a network
08:05
There's communication when the backups are made
08:06
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, well that's true. But still, without daemons running, it's difficult.
08:06
<alkisg>
A buffer overrun there can delete all your data from all backup server + clients
08:07
<Hyperbyte>
I highly doubt that.
08:08
<alkisg>
You mean that in the history of security issues, there's never been an issue where an attacker could gain root access by leveraging a problem with the network client?
08:09
... :)
08:10
<Hyperbyte>
So you're saying... if I SSH to you, you could gain access to my machine?
08:10
<alkisg>
Yes, if there's a vulnerability in rsync or in ssh or whatever clients you're using
08:10
<Hyperbyte>
ssh+rsync.
08:10
<alkisg>
rsync runs locally, so if I buffer-overflow it, I can run code as root on your backup server
08:11
<Hyperbyte>
Maybe I'm putting too much faith into ssh+rsync, but I still doubt what you're saying.
08:11
<alkisg>
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-600-1/
08:12
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, just take a look at Bacula. :)
08:12
<alkisg>
Sebastian Krahmer discovered that rsync could overflow when handling ACLs.
08:12
An attacker could construct a malicious set of files that when processed
08:12
by rsync could lead to arbitrary code execution or a crash.
08:12
Hyperbyte: more convinced now? It only took a few secs of googling.... :D
08:12
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, yeah, and how fast was it fixed?
08:12
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: from when the first attacker ever found it? Dunno
08:13
The problem might have been there for years until the developers were notified of that
08:13
<muppis>
alkisg, isn't that 4 years old?
08:14
<alkisg>
muppis: it's just an example, that it's possible
08:14
I wouldn't want to spend days looking at the rsync code to find something similar in a current release, I'm not interested in hacking Hyperbyte's server :)
08:14
<Hyperbyte>
Sure it has been possible in the past. At one point there was also some big vulnerability in SSH, but that was patched in what, 15 minutes?
08:15
<alkisg>
Sooo you people don't believe that (1) vulnerabilities can exist for years in a package, or (2) that hackers may know about them without the developers also knowing about them?
08:15
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, Bacula looks nice. :)
08:16
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, it is. :D
08:17
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, sure I do. I just don't believe that those kind of hackers come for my servers. I think if someone really tries, anything is hackable.
08:17
<alkisg>
"A security issue affects these releases of Ubuntu and its derivatives: Ubuntu 7.10 Ubuntu 7.04 " ==> that means that the vulnerability was there at least for 6 months
08:18
..11 April 2008? for a year at least
08:18
Hyperbyte: sure, I'm just saying that having a single point where everyone can gain root access to all your systems is worse than the opposite solution
08:19
I don't doubt that hackers aren't really interested in your data :P
08:19
Anyways, back to work... :)
08:22
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, but getting to that single point, would be insanely difficult. More difficult probably than hacking all servers individually.
08:22
Anyway, I think we could carry on this discussion for at least a month... let's not go there.
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10:41* alkisg wonders if he can make squid work transparently with the LTSP server having one NIC with one IP, or if I need to create multiple IPs in network-manager...
10:43
<muppis>
alkisg, possible, but you may need a switch with a specific firmware to make it happen, if even then.
10:43
My collague tried that and failed.
10:43
<alkisg>
muppis: firmware? where? On the ltsp server?
10:43
Ah sorry, switc
10:43
<muppis>
In switch.
10:43
<alkisg>
h
10:44
muppis: so with 2 IPs for the server (still single NIC), I'd have more chances?
10:45
<muppis>
I think the transparency is the trick and magic what needed get happening, because IP packets is needed forward thru squid without altering the headers.
10:46
Ofcourse it's more easier if you can alter the headers so outer web sees the servers IP, not clients one.
10:47
<alkisg>
While googling, I found this, which says it works without problems, but I was wondering if I could remove the second IP from the scenario... http://teladan98.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/transparent-proxy-server-with-one-nic/
10:50
<muppis>
That way it's possible as it alters headers of IP packet. If you don't mind that, it works but I think you had to use two IPs.
10:54
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Squid_Transparent_Proxy
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13:06
<davew_>
i need to set up menus for the student clients to use on a Ubuntu 10.04 ltsp system I downloaded edubuntu menu editor and profile manager and have followed the stated sequence for preparing a menu
13:08
but I have found tha no changes are made to the menu the test user uses. Having a client menu is quite important, so does anyone know anything about this or can recommend an alternative
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13:10
<davew_>
way around this.
13:11
<Hyperbyte>
davew_, thin or fat clients?
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13:55
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
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14:02
<alkisg>
I think it's the 5th time that he asks this question, someone talks to him immediately, and then he leaves... :O
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14:33
<knipwim>
alkisg: yes on yesterday's change
14:33
going to rename the example common-server.conf as well
14:33
and update the wiki :)
14:40
pushed and done
14:48
<alkisg>
knipwim: nice, ty
14:49* alkisg grepped for "common-server" but forgot to use `find`...
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19:23
<vagrantc>
thursday, june 20th ...
19:24
<jammcq>
thursday, june 21st
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<highvoltage>
hey there uncle jim
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<jammcq>
highvoltage: hey
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