IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 June 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:57 | <luirro> hi guys
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| 03:15 | <bieb> I need some help.. I am out of town and an update has cause likewise to stop authenticating against our active directory server. I won't be able to fix it until Monday.. How can I set the server so there is no user authentication? I would be happy if the thin clients were booted and went straight to the desktop. I am running Ubuntu12.04
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| 03:20 | <bieb> anyone here??
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| 03:49 | hello???
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| 04:01 | <Pecker> people are here
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| 04:01 | but is that a ltsp question?
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| 04:02 | sounds more of liek samba or whaterver u use for active directory to me
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| 04:09 | <bieb> Pecker: the ltsp part is.. how can I setup a lab to autologin to a generic user to get around the AD issue until I get back in town
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| 04:11 | Pecker: is there something I can do in lts.conf? like LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True and give it a username and password in the conf file?
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| 04:12 | since I am not there, I can't post a generic set of login credentials..
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| 04:13 | I just want to be able to call someone from the Library.. and say.. "go reboot the clients" and when they reboot they go directly to the ubuntu desktop
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| 04:17 | Pecker: any idea if that would work?
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| 07:45 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning everyone
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> Καλημέρα
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| 07:46 | <muppis> | |
| 07:46 | <alkisg> WTF-8
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| 07:46 | <muppis> :P
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| 07:48 | I reallt should take a look my settings are they out of their mind or I've messed them up.
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| 07:50 | Oh, I think I suddenly founded why those chars are messed. Does these work: ö and ä ?
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Yey!
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| 07:52 | <muppis> Recoding settings where wrong. :)
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> ...what now? In screen? Irssi?
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| 07:52 | <muppis> In Irssi.
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Meh
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| 07:53 | <Hyperbyte> I've just found out something awesome!
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| 07:53 | When I reinstalled my terminal server with Ubuntu 12.04 oh, eh - a month ago or so
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| 07:53 | <muppis> recode_out_default_charset was ISO-8859-15 so Irssi sended chars to server as ISO-8859-15 but showed locally as UTF-8.
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| 07:53 | <Hyperbyte> My SSH fingerprint changed....
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| 07:54 | I forgot to tell my backup server to accept the new fingerprint... as a result, I haven't made any backups of any company data in over a month ....
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| 07:54 | Don't tell my boss. :o
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| 07:55 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, just wish you don't need make restores from that time before retention expires. :)
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| 07:55 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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| 07:57 | <muppis> We use Bacula so need to worry about ssh keys only in few special cases.
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| 07:58 | <Hyperbyte> I use rsync. :)
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| 07:58 | <muppis> :D
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| 07:58 | <Hyperbyte> My backup server has root access via ssh keys to all my other servers. It's the most dangerous server in my network. :P
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| 07:59 | (and the most secluded)000
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> ...shouldn't it be the other way around?
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| 08:00 | cron jobs running as root, sending data to the backup server with no root access?
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that means that if someone happens to hack any server in my network, they can delete all my backups as well.
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> Why, do you have to have the same account for each station?
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| 08:01 | (or ssh keys or whatever...)
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> No, but then you could still delete all backups for that one server.
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> Not if you don't have ssh access
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| 08:02 | <Hyperbyte> I hack server A, and delete all backups server A has made...
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> You just need an interface there
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| 08:02 | <Hyperbyte> I think the other way around is much more secure.
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| 08:03 | <alkisg> E.g. you want to disallow the clients to delete backups? disallow them, only allow them to add backups
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| 08:03 | <Hyperbyte> All my other servers have lots of applications running on them, lots of users running around on them...
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| 08:03 | My backup server is completely isolated... no user access, no remote access even.
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| 08:03 | <alkisg> If the clients don't have an interface to delete data from the backup server, even if they're hacked, they cannot
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| 08:03 | <Hyperbyte> There's no daemons running on there.
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| 08:04 | alkisg, yes, and now if they're hacked, they can't get to the backup server at all.
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> Yes, I'm talking about the problem of your backup server being hacked, which is equivalent to accessing all the servers on your network
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| 08:05 | Single point of failure
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| 08:05 | <Hyperbyte> Backup server is only physically accessible... still the best protection against any form of hackers.
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> While otherwise, if one hacked the backup server, he couldn't access the clients
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| 08:05 | Hyperbyte: there's no such thing as "only physically accessible" when you're on a network
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| 08:05 | There's communication when the backups are made
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| 08:06 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, well that's true. But still, without daemons running, it's difficult.
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> A buffer overrun there can delete all your data from all backup server + clients
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| 08:07 | <Hyperbyte> I highly doubt that.
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> You mean that in the history of security issues, there's never been an issue where an attacker could gain root access by leveraging a problem with the network client?
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| 08:09 | ... :)
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| 08:10 | <Hyperbyte> So you're saying... if I SSH to you, you could gain access to my machine?
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> Yes, if there's a vulnerability in rsync or in ssh or whatever clients you're using
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| 08:10 | <Hyperbyte> ssh+rsync.
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> rsync runs locally, so if I buffer-overflow it, I can run code as root on your backup server
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| 08:11 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe I'm putting too much faith into ssh+rsync, but I still doubt what you're saying.
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-600-1/
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| 08:12 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, just take a look at Bacula. :)
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> Sebastian Krahmer discovered that rsync could overflow when handling ACLs.
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| 08:12 | An attacker could construct a malicious set of files that when processed
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| 08:12 | by rsync could lead to arbitrary code execution or a crash.
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| 08:12 | Hyperbyte: more convinced now? It only took a few secs of googling.... :D
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| 08:12 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, yeah, and how fast was it fixed?
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: from when the first attacker ever found it? Dunno
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| 08:13 | The problem might have been there for years until the developers were notified of that
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| 08:13 | <muppis> alkisg, isn't that 4 years old?
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| 08:14 | <alkisg> muppis: it's just an example, that it's possible
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| 08:14 | I wouldn't want to spend days looking at the rsync code to find something similar in a current release, I'm not interested in hacking Hyperbyte's server :)
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| 08:14 | <Hyperbyte> Sure it has been possible in the past. At one point there was also some big vulnerability in SSH, but that was patched in what, 15 minutes?
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Sooo you people don't believe that (1) vulnerabilities can exist for years in a package, or (2) that hackers may know about them without the developers also knowing about them?
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| 08:15 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, Bacula looks nice. :)
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| 08:16 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, it is. :D
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, sure I do. I just don't believe that those kind of hackers come for my servers. I think if someone really tries, anything is hackable.
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> "A security issue affects these releases of Ubuntu and its derivatives: Ubuntu 7.10 Ubuntu 7.04 " ==> that means that the vulnerability was there at least for 6 months
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| 08:18 | ..11 April 2008? for a year at least
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| 08:18 | Hyperbyte: sure, I'm just saying that having a single point where everyone can gain root access to all your systems is worse than the opposite solution
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| 08:19 | I don't doubt that hackers aren't really interested in your data :P
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| 08:19 | Anyways, back to work... :)
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| 08:22 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, but getting to that single point, would be insanely difficult. More difficult probably than hacking all servers individually.
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| 08:22 | Anyway, I think we could carry on this discussion for at least a month... let's not go there.
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| 10:41 | * alkisg wonders if he can make squid work transparently with the LTSP server having one NIC with one IP, or if I need to create multiple IPs in network-manager... | |
| 10:43 | <muppis> alkisg, possible, but you may need a switch with a specific firmware to make it happen, if even then.
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| 10:43 | My collague tried that and failed.
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> muppis: firmware? where? On the ltsp server?
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| 10:43 | Ah sorry, switc
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| 10:43 | <muppis> In switch.
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> h
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| 10:44 | muppis: so with 2 IPs for the server (still single NIC), I'd have more chances?
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| 10:45 | <muppis> I think the transparency is the trick and magic what needed get happening, because IP packets is needed forward thru squid without altering the headers.
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| 10:46 | Ofcourse it's more easier if you can alter the headers so outer web sees the servers IP, not clients one.
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> While googling, I found this, which says it works without problems, but I was wondering if I could remove the second IP from the scenario... http://teladan98.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/transparent-proxy-server-with-one-nic/
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| 10:50 | <muppis> That way it's possible as it alters headers of IP packet. If you don't mind that, it works but I think you had to use two IPs.
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| 10:54 | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Squid_Transparent_Proxy
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| 13:06 | <davew_> i need to set up menus for the student clients to use on a Ubuntu 10.04 ltsp system I downloaded edubuntu menu editor and profile manager and have followed the stated sequence for preparing a menu
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| 13:08 | but I have found tha no changes are made to the menu the test user uses. Having a client menu is quite important, so does anyone know anything about this or can recommend an alternative
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| 13:10 | <davew_> way around this.
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| 13:11 | <Hyperbyte> davew_, thin or fat clients?
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| 13:55 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> I think it's the 5th time that he asks this question, someone talks to him immediately, and then he leaves... :O
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| 14:33 | <knipwim> alkisg: yes on yesterday's change
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| 14:33 | going to rename the example common-server.conf as well
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| 14:33 | and update the wiki :)
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| 14:40 | pushed and done
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> knipwim: nice, ty
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| 14:49 | * alkisg grepped for "common-server" but forgot to use `find`... | |
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> thursday, june 20th ...
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| 19:24 | <jammcq> thursday, june 21st
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| 20:23 | <highvoltage> hey there uncle jim
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| 20:37 | <jammcq> highvoltage: hey
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