IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<isojussi>
in 8.04 and ltsp5, Root user can't manage user accounts from clients. from server they can do it, is there a way to allow this?
02:18
they can do it from terminal but not with gui
02:18
<nubae>
edit apparmour
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<zamba>
how does ltsp handle printers?
08:22
and especially usb and ltp-connected ones?
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08:51
<zamba>
my setup is as follows.. i want to use identical setup on all computers in my network.. but computers are often set up in "islands" where three or four computers share the same printer that's connected by usb or lpt to either of them.. in addition to this we have some computer labs where all the computers there share the same network attached printer.. is ltsp flexible enough to support this setup?
08:51
and still use only one image?
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<dmaran>
anyone having issues of late with local devices besides me? They used to work and now it doesn't seem that the udev rules are firing in ltsp. The devices are partitioned with fat32 and are picked up by both windows and my Arch install. Ideas?
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<dmaran>
And they are picked up in the chroot. just seem to not be mounted. Followed this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev and was A-OK until I got to the part about the udev rules.
09:19
Belay my last about the udev rules. They are on the client shown as Vfat.
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
09:57
<Lumiere>
'morning jammcq
09:58
<jammcq>
hey Jason
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<Lumiere>
I need a nap :)
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<dmaran>
Update on my problem w/ local devices I found a log of IRC chats that our issue seems to mimic here: http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20080616_pg3.html
11:20
Anyone know the outcome of this ?
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<droalt>
hello all
11:23
Gadi: you around?
11:23
was referred to you by a couple people in this channel yesterday. I have a question about rdesktop sound redirection with ltsp
11:24
anybody on?
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<droalt>
hi guys
11:30
Gadi: I was referred to you by a couple guys yesterday, they said you are the man for rdesktop ltsp sound redirection
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<droalt>
hello hanthana
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<hanthana>
droalt: hi
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<droalt>
hi slash
11:33
<Gadi>
droalt: hey - sorry - Im here but busy - Ill try to answer as quickly as possible
11:33
whats up?
11:33
<droalt>
ok brief description of the issue
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<droalt>
running ltsp on intrepid, modified lts.conf to run rdesktop to windows 2003 TS
11:35
everything works great except the ltsp clients have no sound in rdesktop
11:35
I have setup a test lab, consisting of two regular dell pc's to test before applying fix to production
11:35
so both have sound cards that work
11:35
<Gadi>
do you have ldm on one SCREEN and rdesktop on another?
11:35
<droalt>
and the ltsp server's sound works great when using rdesktop
11:36
<dmaran>
Still at a loss with local devices. It is enabled in lts.conf, fuse group is same, followed the wiki page on ts-ing local dev's got to here: ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
11:36
thenI get this: "/dev/fuse not writable" -- This is with all devices I have tried.
11:36
<droalt>
no, purely rdesktop
11:36
i'll put my lts.conf here
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<Gadi>
droalt: and is that how it will go into production?
11:36
<droalt>
yes
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<Gadi>
easiest fix:
11:37
edit: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
11:37
near the top of the shell script, but not the first line, add:
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<Gadi>
pkill pulseaudio
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or, better,
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<ogra>
Gadi mean as always ...
11:38
<Gadi>
pkill -9 pulseaudio
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<ogra>
killing poor daemons
11:38
<Gadi>
and save
11:38
ogra will fill you in on the theory
11:38
;)
11:38
<ogra>
he could also just apt-get remove it and run ltsp-update-image ;)
11:38
<nubae1>
instead of making the deamons nicer
11:38
:-)
11:38
<Gadi>
oh, and be sure to add to your rdesktop options:
11:38
-r sound:local
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<droalt>
ty I will try it now
11:40
use -r sound:local or -r sound:local:alsa or does it matter?
11:40
<Gadi>
it shouldn't matter
11:40
it should use alsa by default
11:40
<droalt>
Ty again, you were right ogra and nubae, Gadi is the man
11:41
<Gadi>
nah, if I were more the man, I would have all the right fixes for rdesktop merged upstream
11:41
so, folks don't need to hack around
11:41
but I simply cannot find the time
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<Gadi>
*sigh*
11:42
<droalt>
I understand man, I understand
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<droalt>
I currently manage 3 large school networks and it's killing me
11:42
<Gadi>
droalt: note: if you ever start using ldm and rdesktop on separate screens at the same time, this fix will kill sound in ldm
11:43
<droalt>
ty for the note, I'll remember that
11:43
<Gadi>
so, make a skull and crossbones note
11:43
<droalt>
they love how you can't "escape" terminal services
11:43
<Gadi>
hehe
11:44
<droalt>
I just think it's nice because in the past, they had to log on locally to a windows/linux box and then ts automatically opened. they would get confused really easily
11:44
ok well my first text box didn't work
11:44
<Gadi>
droalt: I forgot
11:44
after you edit
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run: sudo ltsp-update-image
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:)
11:45
<droalt>
np :)
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<droalt>
it works gadi, ty very much again
11:52
<Gadi>
my pleasure
11:53
<ogra>
.oO(apt-get remove would still have been cleaner and survive upgrades)
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11:54* Gadi didn't see ogra raise his hand
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<Gadi>
:P
11:55
<ogra>
heh
11:56
<droalt>
lol
11:57
apt-get remove pulseaudio in the chroot?
11:57
<ogra>
right
11:57
instead of killing it ...
11:57
the script you just edited would be overwritten if you would do a security upgrade
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<droalt>
interesting, might try that also
11:58
once I rebuild my test server with all my notes and write my howto
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<ogra>
Gadi, err ...
11:58
i *think* you could just use SOUND=False in lts.conf and not touch the chroot at all :P
11:58
<droalt>
lol
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<ogra>
since only the ltsp-client initscript spawns pulse on the clients
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and that only reacts on the SOUND variable
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<Gadi>
I was going to try that, too
12:00
but I am in a rush
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and know that pkill works
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:)
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<ogra>
indeed
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its an AXE ...
12:00* ogra calls Gadi Eugene
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<droalt>
lol
12:03
i made note of everything you guys said, and I will try each one
12:04
for the sound=false in lts.conf, is that for ldm?
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<ogra>
no, for the whole setup
12:05
an ltsp client basically runs two initscripts, one sets the client up, the other starts services ... (the second one would start ldm) ... both read the variables from lts.conf and act accordingly
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<droalt>
awesome
12:06
and I shouldn't need to rebuild the image after modifying lts.conf correct?\
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<ogra>
exactly
12:06
and lts.conf can switch things on and off on a per client base
12:06
i.e. if you would switch one client to ldm you could turn sound back on
12:07
removing pulse or editing the script are both pretty global hacks
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<droalt>
my lts.conf
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<Blinny>
If fuse is a group provided by a distant NIS master, will that introduce localdev problems?
12:07
<droalt>
[default] RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16 -d crutcho -r sound:local:alsa" RDP_SERVER = 172.16.0.16 SCREEN_02 = rdesktop SOUND = false
12:07
<ogra>
Blinny, likely if the goupid doesnt match the local one
12:07
<droalt>
that pasted well lol
12:07
<ogra>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:08
<Blinny>
ogra: There isn't a fuse local group in /etc/group - just the one provided by NIS
12:08
<ogra>
droalt, its easier to use our pastebot ;)
12:08
<droalt>
[default]
12:08
<Blinny>
ogra: However, the gid is the same on both boxes (obviously -- it's only one group)
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<ogra>
Blinny, /dev/fuse will have a group id
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<droalt>
RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16 -d crutcho -r sound:local:alsa"
12:08
RDP_SERVER = 172.16.0.16
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<Blinny>
Ah!
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<droalt>
SCREEN_02 = rdesktop
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SOUND = false
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<ogra>
right, that should work
12:09
<droalt>
cool
12:09
<ogra>
if you would want a single client use ldm you would set:
12:09
<droalt>
you see any problems running ltsp on a one nic setup instead of two
12:09
<ogra>
[MACADDRSS]
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SOUND=TRue
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<droalt>
cool
12:09
<Blinny>
ogra: Are you talking about the owner/group perms of /dev/fuse? They're both root
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<ogra>
SCREEN_02=ldm
12:10
Blinny, that wont work, fusermount is sguid fuse
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<Blinny>
So I need to chgrp fuse /dev/fuse
12:11
Will that stick?
12:11
<ogra>
no
12:11
its usually set by udev
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<ogra>
you would need to hack up the udev rules ofr fuse
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<Blinny>
In /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules ?
12:13
Damn. Appointment is here. Thanks for the info ogra. I'll bug you (or others in the channel) later.
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<ogra>
yeah, i have to go too
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<droalt>
ty ogra for your help
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<ogra>
(two days of constant pre-release install tests are exhausting)
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<droalt>
lol
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<droalt>
pre-release of what?
12:14
<ogra>
ubuntu
12:14
<droalt>
so you're a developer for ubuntu?
12:14
<ogra>
yes
12:14
<droalt>
cool
12:15
i have a ubuntu issue with my laptop, but I'll save it for #ltsp
12:15
i mean #ubuntu
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<ogra>
(we have our next release on thu and all images need to be testinstalled)
12:16
<droalt>
cool
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<ogra>
well, rather tiring :)
12:16
<droalt>
yea i bet
12:16
you have around 10 images right?
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<ogra>
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
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<droalt>
whoa
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<ogra>
the numbers are the testcases per image
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<droalt>
45ish
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<ogra>
or rather the different install methods that need testing
12:18
<droalt>
wow
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<ogra>
well, 45images but look for example at the server image ... it has 15 install variants
12:18
<droalt>
yup, i see that
12:19
did you test them all?
12:19
<ogra>
or alternate ... has 9
12:19
(one of tehm is LTSP :) )
12:19
<droalt>
yes edubuntu
12:19
will edubuntu work with a single nic setup?
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<ogra>
no, only the ones i built or am responsible for through my team
12:19
edubuntu turned into an addon CD
12:19
ltsp is on the actual ubuntu CD
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<droalt>
yes i know
12:20
i did a regular install of intrepid
12:20
built everything and set it up that way, with a single nic
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i'd like to try edubuntu but don't want to break things
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<ogra>
but yes, ubuntu LTSP will work with a single NIC, you need to change some settings manually though, but the installer tells you what
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<droalt>
yes, my single nic setup is working, just not sure if I add the edubuntu addons if it will break anything
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<ogra>
edubuntu is only different artwork and a set of edu apps nowadays
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<droalt>
lunch is calling.....lol
12:21
cool
12:21
<ogra>
ciao
12:21
<droalt>
ty for the info
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<ogra>
enjoy your lunch
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<droalt>
i will and i will be back
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i like to stay in here and help if I can, still new to ltsp though
12:22
btw
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<ogra>
we all were once :)
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<droalt>
the sound=false worked like a champ
12:22
ok lunch lol
12:22
<ogra>
right, thats what i thought
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<Blinny>
I see an old post from Scott about adding , MODE="0666" to 45-fuse.rules - we allow localdevs for everyone.. does this sort the issue?
12:34
<zamba>
my setup is as follows.. i want to use identical setup on all computers in my network.. but computers are often set up in "islands" where three or four computers share the same printer that's connected by usb or lpt to either of them.. in addition to this we have some computer labs where all the computers there share the same network attached printer.. is ltsp flexible enough to support this setup?
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<Nubae>
zamba: sure
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<zamba>
Nubae: how is this accomplished?
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<Nubae>
u can print on the server or to any printer connected to a thin client
12:35
using jetpipe
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<zamba>
Nubae: but i guess i need some individual configuration files for the different computers that tells them which printer to use?
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<Nubae>
right...
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lts.conf is your friend
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<zamba>
cool
12:36
so it's possible.. that's all i need to know :)
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<Nubae>
check the docs for more info
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!docs
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<ltspbot>
Nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<zamba>
yup
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<Lns>
zamba: you should only have to configure the printer once, on the server (ala lts.conf and in cups) and the clients should "just see it"
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<zamba>
Lns: well, the printer is connected to one of the diskless clients over lpt/usb
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<Lns>
zamba: right
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<zamba>
so i can't add something that's not there.. ?
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<Lns>
zamba: you want to configure lts.conf with the required parms to get a "network printer" via jetpipe to the client
12:41
<zamba>
Lns: ok
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<Lns>
set up the ltsp server's CUPS to point to it after you've rebooted the client
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<zamba>
ok
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<Lns>
from my experiences anyway, all the clients will see it once it's set up on the server, regardless of physically which machine it's attached to
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as long as you've configured everything right
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<zamba>
and then i have to set up stuff in lts.conf to define which printer should be the default for which system?
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<Lns>
no...afaik you set default printer on the server only
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<Nubae>
zamba: in lts.conf define each client using the mac address
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so u'd have [mad:add:ress:one]
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and so on
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<Nubae>
under that put in the settings from the docs
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<zamba>
Nubae: yup.. and under each of those sections i can define stuff like default printer and so on?
12:43
yup
12:43
<Nubae>
right
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<zamba>
cool
12:43
<Nubae>
well if u want default put that under [default]
12:43
<Lns>
Nubae: are there lts.conf options for default printer?
12:43
<zamba>
well.. depending on location the different thin clients should have different default printers
12:44
each user shouldn't have to go through a list of 10+ printers to find the one located right next to him
12:44
so i'm dependant on that i can set a default printer for individual computer
12:44
computers*
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<Lns>
All I see in docs is PRINTER_0_DEVICE, PRINTER_0_PORT
12:45
which is for the locally attached printer
12:45
I'd have to assume at user-level config you can change your default printer, though i've never actually done that
12:46
i always set up printers with my own account and it just reflects on everyone else's
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<zamba>
yup.. but my setup is using the same user account for every user, but in different locations
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<Lns>
zamba: i don't know if that's a good idea. Bad things happen when you use the same user account for multiple workstations at the same time.
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<Gadi>
zamba: try in lts.conf: CLIENT_ENV = "PRINTER=<queue>"
12:49
<zamba>
Lns: i've done stuff to circumvent that
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<Lns>
Gadi: always with the hidden options! =)
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<Gadi>
that may work depending upon your version of ldm
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<zamba>
Lns: i have a nfs mounted /home, but a tmp folder mounted on-top of that with unionfs
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<Gadi>
in future versions, you can set: LDM_PRINTER_DEFAULT
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<Lns>
nooice
12:50
Gadi: what about per-user cups config?
12:50
wouldn't that work?
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<Gadi>
that would go by user
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<zamba>
Lns: so every user only has the shared home directory as a "starting point" and everything they write back to it will be lost on the next reboot
12:51
<Gadi>
he wants it to go by machine
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<Lns>
Gadi: oh, right
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<Gadi>
LTSP deals with machines
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:)
12:51
<Lns>
Gadi: bah =p
12:52
<zamba>
do i need X on the server to run ltsp?
12:52
i know i need x libraries, but do i need a x server running on the server?
12:52
<Gadi>
no
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<zamba>
cool
12:53
so when choosing distro for the server, it's ok to use ubuntu server version instead of the desktop version?
12:53
<Gadi>
zamba: sure - but you need to install a desktop
12:53
like gnome, kde, etc
12:53
<zamba>
Gadi: yup
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<droalt>
you guys think that ubuntu is the best distro for ltsp?
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<zamba>
droalt: i really have no idea which is
12:55
but i'm comfortable with debian/ubuntu, so i stick to that
12:55
<droalt>
cool
12:55
i tried k12linux which runs fedora core 10 and I was not impressed
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<zamba>
or maybe i'll just run some virtualization on ubuntu server and then set up a guest os that does the ltsp stuff
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<droalt>
careful about virtualing ltsp, when I virtualized it with virtualbox, I had to switch back to using nfs
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<zamba>
i think i'll use xen
12:56
<droalt>
you might still have the same issue
12:56
of course switching to nfs is very easy
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<zamba>
but nfs instead of?
12:57
cifs?
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<Lns>
zamba: nbd
12:58
who was talking about ata over ethernet though last week...that sounded interesting
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<droalt>
something like, instead of having drives in a workstation, you have a drive controller that does ata over ip to a server?
12:59
cool, found a wiki about it
12:59
AoE
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in wow terms, that means Area over enemy lol
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<droalt>
oh cool
13:00
instead of pxe booting
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would nfs boot or AoE boot lol
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<zamba>
maybe i'll just run ltsp on the host then
13:01
what are the requirements on the workstations? are there any requirements at all?
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it should have a mouse and keyboard and display adapter?
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oh yeah, and a network card
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<Lns>
zamba: =p yes, there are some requirements
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most here would recommend at least 128mb RAM, a 100mbit nic, 8+ mb vidram
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<Lns>
PII/PIII + cpu at least for newer ltsps
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<zamba>
Lns: ok
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<Lns>
depending on if you want other features (localdev/localapps comes to mind) you'll want more ram/cpu
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just depends
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<zamba>
which a local app you'll need a disk drive, right?
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eh
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with*
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<Lns>
no
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<zamba>
hm, ok
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<Frestechcoor>
is there a brand of nic that works better for pxe booting?
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<droalt>
i don't think so
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<Lns>
Frestechcoor: shouldn't matter as long as the function is there
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<droalt>
I've had the best luck with intel onboard nics
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<Lns>
and isn't some insanely old version
13:11
realtek seems to work well too
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<droalt>
yup, anything that uses generic drivers
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<zamba>
dell computers work ok too
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<droalt>
yup, most of them have broadcom
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<zamba>
yup
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<droalt>
Frestechcoor: you having to buy nics?
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<zamba>
but if you have a nic that doesn't support PXE you have to do some magic with floppy booting first to get the network up, right?
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<droalt>
if so, these are cheap and work like a champ, d-link530tx+
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<Lns>
i've had some weirdnesses with broadcom - mainly taking a long time to process an initial dhcp reply during boot
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<Frestechcoor>
Probably I am looking into getting a lab setup at an elementary school using some old p II&III machines we have
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<droalt>
zamba: yes, or install a local image, or purchase a pxe nic
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<Frestechcoor>
Not all of them have nic's
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<droalt>
Frestechoor: do the motherboards have the pxe boot options?
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Lns: yes thats on my to do list, some clients using broadcom won't pxe boot, dhcp times out
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<Frestechcoor>
nope. I used a thinstation boot cd, which then tells the computer to boot off the nic. I have 5 or so machines working now.
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<droalt>
cool
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yes, without a doubt, try out the dlink530tx+
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they might cost $1 more than a off brand but they work
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they work in windows, linux, and macs
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<Frestechcoor>
thanks
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<droalt>
you're welcome
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also if you go with an offbrand, like Lns said, make sure they have a realtek chip
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woooo meeting time
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<zamba>
does ltsp-build-client use the apt cache when retrieving packages?
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and i'm running a 64-bit os.. but i need to build clients for 386.. will this work?
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doing a 'ltsp-build-client' without options will create /opt/ltsp/amd64
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<Lns>
zamba: man ltsp-build-client :)
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<zamba>
hehe
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--arch and --dist i guess ;)
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<Lns>
there ya go
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<zamba>
well, not exactly
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http://pastebin.com/m2a804683
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(server is running hardy)
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this is probably due to the fact that hardy is older than intrepid and thus "doesn't know" about it?
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<Lns>
zamba: why do you want a different chroot than what's on the server?
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<zamba>
Lns: because the server should be used for other things as well.. and i want the latest stable server with LTS
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whereas the desktop clients should be "cutting edge"
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thin clients, that is
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<Lns>
zamba: afaik it's generally and highly recommended that you use the same chroot as the server. different kernels and other software will have conflicts unless you really know what you're doing to fix it all up
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in other words, you're not going to get intrepid features on the client side if you're running hardy on the server fs and an ibex chroot
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at least not how you think
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<zamba>
hm..
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<Lns>
i might be wrong, but i remember hearing that before
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for instance - xserver version FOO in chroot might have many issues with x clients / libs on server with version BAR
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<zamba>
if i was able to virtualize it effectively, i'd just set up a guest computer as intrepid
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<alkisg>
zamba, the chroot only has an x-server, you can't get e.g. openoffice 3 if you have a jaunty chroot in a hardy server. Or are you going to use fat clients?
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<zamba>
alkisg: thin clients
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<alkisg>
zamba: so you don't need a different chroot, because it doesn't contain any "cutting edge" programs (other than a kernel and an x-server)
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<zamba>
alkisg: so in other words.. if i want to run intrepid on the thin clients, i have to run the same on the server?
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<Lns>
zamba: the thin clients are running all applications FROM the server.
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<alkisg>
Yes
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<zamba>
i thought it was a bit more "virtualization" and "chroot"-ing to it
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<alkisg>
(unless you use fat clients, or some virtualization platform etc)
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<zamba>
i see
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<Nubae>
yeah u can use fatclient to serve a different image
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<yanqui>
Lns: hey, it's Josh, you around?
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<Lns>
yanqui: hey dude
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what's the good word
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<droalt>
finally the end of the day
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I feel asleep during my meeting
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<droalt>
sup bobby
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<ineappleP>
anyone know where I can get the nvidia proprietary driver for 2.6.20 (ltsp 4.2) without having to setup lbe?
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<BugsBunnyBR>
hello, someone can tell me why I can't have autologin on my ltsp 5.0 server?? I put that in the lts.conf LDM_PASSWORD =pass LDM_USERNAME = user..what is wrong?
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