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Channel log from 27 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<nubae>
greets vagrantc ... any news on whether u're coming to Sevilla?
02:43
<vagrantc>
nubae: i'm going to check out the trains tomorrow ... i might spend a couple days here, a few days in sevilla, and maybe a few in granada before heading back
02:43
<nubae>
cool, Granada is really nice, especially the Alhambra
02:44
and if u like hiking, going up to Sierra Nevada is especially nice too
02:44
<vagrantc>
and it being the hottest time of the year, who would be foolish enough to go to sevilla or granada?
02:44
nubae: yeah, definitely hoping to get into the mountains ...
02:44
<nubae>
yeah, Sevilla is pretty hot, Granada will be better
02:44
<vagrantc>
speaking of hiking... there's a day-hike ... haven't really left the venue since i got here ... so gotta run
02:45
<nubae>
have fun :-)
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<nubae>
highvoltage, I'm actually working with jaunty... perhaps updating to karmic will fix things?
03:01
Thing is I was following instructions using openvnz from stgraber's wiki... I guess there shouldn't be too much difference if I upgrade virtual machines to karmic...
03:08
<highvoltage>
nubae: hmm, where did you install the ltsp-cluster packages from?
03:09
<nubae>
stgraber's ppa
03:09
Jaunty though
03:09
<highvoltage>
nubae: ah, yes, I believe there has been some upstream fixes since his ppa packages as well
03:10
nubae: if it's just testing, then it would be very useful trying out the karmic packages out on karmic
03:10
nubae: although I haven't tested it enough myself yet so I can't recomment it at all for a production environment
03:10
<nubae>
yeah, cool, will upgrade
03:11
its not production, I'm testing to see how it works, and then we deploy in September
03:11
hopefully its a solution that will work out for our older schools in our autonomous region
03:12
<highvoltage>
I had so many places I could use it a while back. Not sure where I'll use it now but I'm sure they'll pop up :)
03:12
<nubae>
in their infinite wisdom the newer schools all have cutting edge wireless connections :/
03:13
so they'll run wireless for a year maybe, then realise it doesn't work, and have to cable everything up...
03:14* nubae can't decide if wireless is a blessing or a curse
03:15
<highvoltage>
it's a blessing... but not if it's abused
03:17
<nubae>
well, the biggest issue is that it seems to be in fashion, so people think they are upgrading by eliminating a perfectly good wired infrastructure
03:17
which in the case of schools, is a really bad idea
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<highvoltage>
*nod*
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07:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
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<Q-FUNK>
howdy
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<ace_suares>
hey Q-FUNK
08:21
how are ya
08:21
<aalovesiti>
hello ace
08:21
can you help me?
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<ace_suares>
aalovesiti: i doubt but i can try
08:22
<aalovesiti>
iam use ltsp 4.2 on freebsd
08:22
<ace_suares>
eh i do linux and am unfamiliar with *bsd
08:23
and i use ltsp5 but i was using 4.2 long ago.
08:23
try me still.
08:23
<aalovesiti>
my point of sales client use nic 100mbps and normal running
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<Q-FUNK>
ace_suares: hey! not bad. yourself?
08:39
!g
08:39
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:41
<rbla1>
Hello, I am having a problem that I was hoping to get some help with. I have an Ubuntu LTSP server that is serving a "fat" client image to about 12 clients. Everything is working great, but most mornings when I come in to work at least half the clients are completely locked up and require a reboot. Does anyone have any ideas of why this would be happening or where I could look in the logs to pinpoint the problem?
08:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: sabayon seems closer now. It opened a window first, then crashed.
08:47
here's the logs:
08:47
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "sbalneav -- new logs for sabayon problem" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/455
08:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
not terribly descriptive this time :/
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<Gadi>
good morning, Q-FUNK
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<rjune_wrk>
!g
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<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:54* Gadi waves to rjune_wrk
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<rjune_wrk>
Howdy
08:55
<Gadi>
rbla1: when they lock up, is the keyboard responsive? (ie do the caps lock keys, etc produce lights on the keyboard?)
08:55
<ace_suares>
hi Q-FUNK hows the thin can business?
09:01
<vmlintu>
rbla1: how did you create the fat client image?
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<Q-FUNK>
ace_suares: no idea. I haven't worked for Artec in nearly 1 year
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<rbla1>
Gadi: yes the keyboard and mouse are responsive. I can move the mouse and even access TTY1 and log in with the keyboard, but everything else is completely unresponsive. vmlintu: I created the fat client image using the Fat Client Plugin. I followed the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
09:30
<ace_suares>
Q-FUNK: didn't know that
09:30
Q-FUNK: where you work now ?
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<vmlintu>
rbla1: Are the clients logged in or in gdm screen when they lock?
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<Gadi>
rbla1: next time it happens, log in on tty1 and check how much memory you have and such. If you are running services that are continuously logging, it could be that over night, the systems are filling up the available RAM with logs
09:41
you probably should uninstall syslog on the client entirely
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<Q-FUNK>
ace_suares: nowhere. haven't had a job since November and wasted most of the months that followed fighting government offices just to get my unemployment money.
09:42
<rbla11>
thanks Gadi i can't do anything once I log into TTY1 so no way of checking RAM, but I will uninstall syslog and see if that makes a difference.
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<vmlintu>
rbla11: try leaving top running on the client for the night
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<ace_suares>
Q-FUNK: too bad! But you are in Lithuania still /
09:46
<Q-FUNK>
finland
09:47
<ace_suares>
Q-FUNK: oh... do you know ruby on rails ? I am looking for someone to help me on a couple of projects. Not much money invlolved, but if you have time and skills...
09:48
<rbla11>
Thanks vmlintu. Will try.
09:48
<Q-FUNK>
ace_suares: I don't code :)
09:48
<ace_suares>
okay :-))) i only a little, too little for these projects i am afraid...
09:48
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "sbalneav -- The results of sabayon crash in /var/log/syslog" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/456
09:49
<vmlintu>
rbla11: just to check - is the server and network powered through the night?
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<rbla11>
Yes, everything should be on a UPS.
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<vmlintu>
rbla11: do you have cron jobs active? The fat client script seems to be doing some cleaning for them, but maybe it leaves something behind?
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<rbla11>
the only cronjob that runs on the client removes pdf files from the /tmp folder every minute. (* * * * * /bin/rm /tmp/*.pdf)
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<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "sbalneav -- more crashing results from sabayon -- This is run from terminal" (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/457
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<mhterres>
hey guys
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<mhterres>
hey, about a couple of years ago we tried to use some thin clients with AMD Geode processor and we had problems with video.
12:11
Anybody here use geode processors with LTSP ?
12:11
I need to know if the problem is solved
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<leio>
mhterres: what problems?
12:21
<mhterres>
well, when we tried to use it, X started with errors and we can't use the thin client
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<mhterres>
We talked with sbalneaves, but our client decide to use another client and the problem "disappear" :-)
12:23
but now we had another client that had a lot of geode thin clients and I was wondering if the problem was solved or continues
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<leio>
mhterres: what errors, I've not heard any such problems. I guess this is just generic then, not video (as in, mplayer, etc) specific?
12:33
mhterres: what Geode model (GX, GX2, LX)? etc
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<mhterres>
GX500
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well, X starts but I didn't work
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<Lns>
mhterres: there used to be issues with the geode chipsets - depending on your dist, if you update fully (chroot as well) you should be OK..although the geodes aren't incredibly powerful
12:40
I have a geode client in my office and it's kind of "meh" when it comes to smoothness, etc.
12:40
<mhterres>
Our client want to run local app in the geodes
12:40
GX500 with 128Mb
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he wants to run firefox 2.0 with java locally
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what do you think ?
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<leio>
doesn't firefox 2.0 eat RAM for lunch? That locally is, meh
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<ogra>
128M =
12:42
no go
12:42
even if firefox runs happily, java will kill it with that ramsize
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<mhterres>
I imagine that :-(
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<ogra>
and especially FF 2.0 wasnt very ram friendly, i'd even go with 3.0
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<mhterres>
yes
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and what do you think about 256 mb ?
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<ogra>
and for your initial question, geode generally isnt very well maintained upstream ... there are efforts going on but every intel client will be a safer bet
12:44
<mhterres>
I know
12:44
the problem is that the client already had a lot of geode clients :-(
12:44
<ogra>
256M might work
12:45
<mhterres>
well, I'll take a look in that
12:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
d'oh
12:45
<mhterres>
but ogra, the geode is working fine in LTSP now ?
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<ogra>
no, not all models and not on all releases/distros
12:45
it varies totally
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<mhterres>
and GX500 ? do you know ?
12:46
in the last ubuntu version
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<ogra>
not from the top of my head, Gadi might
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<mhterres>
heheh, is there some place where I can search for that ? in the wiki maybe ?
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<rjune_wrk>
ogra!
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<Lns>
mhterres: Just FYI, Geodes are really known for their underpowerdness - you probably won't have a great experience with FF (2.x especially) running as a localapp, even if you had 1GB RAM
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but there's no harm in trying I guess =)
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(bbl)
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<mhterres>
maybe I will :-)
13:12
hey, another question
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can I use a mic in the thin client ?
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<rjune_wrk>
sometimes.
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I've seen it work, and seen it not
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<mhterres>
well, I never seen it work
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:-)
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<rjune_wrk>
I don't know if pulse supports it
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<mhterres>
I need to discover it
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<devilbues>
hi did anyone managed to get rdesktop local devices working with windows 2008? Hi can see the usb device, but when I try to copy something from it, i get this error: "The device is not connected"
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<matttttt>
this isn't technically an ltsp question, but i've got a requirement for an ltsp server to allow some users lan access + internet access and some users just lan access. all need a browser so you can't just hide it from some users, can you create iptables rules for this and base it on a user group or something? or is there a better solution that i can do on the ltsp server w/out a router/firewall?
15:26
maybe force all http traffic that isn't lan bound (we have some web apps on the lan) through a squid proxy and require auth for it? that seems like a pain though.
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<rjune_wrk>
matttttt: yes, there is an iptables module to allow by user
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or by group too I think
15:27
If you already have a proxy, I would use it.
15:27
if you don't, by group might be the easy path
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<wesblake>
Hello all. I am having a very strange LTSP issue here at work, perhaps you can help? We have an ltsp server running a "medium" image (normal i386 image with heavy apps like Firefox, OpenOffice, etc running locally) that about 20 users run from. 19 of those users seem to be running just fine. However, 1 user in particular has had some issues - Very slow, firefox crashes when you open OpenOffice. We tried giving her different computers, deleting her user and profi
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<nahita>
hi
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ltsp 4.2 in TFTP Error 1
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why?
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