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Channel log from 10 May 2011   (all times are UTC)

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02:13
<muppis>
Hmm.. DVD doesn't mount. Well, I don't actually know is drive fully functional.
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<muppis>
And I use /media for HDD mounts in server.
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04:00
<andygraybeal>
morrningingign
04:07
<alkisg>
noon no on no on no on
04:07
<andygraybeal>
hehehehee :)
04:07
hows the conference going?
04:07
<alkisg>
Done, was fine, but the night drinks there were even better :)
04:08* alkisg likes the conferences that happen on islands :) http://www.greek-tourism.gr/syros/
04:12
<andygraybeal>
ihahaha :) awesome
04:13
i was thinking all night long last night abuot lxde.. and if you recommend i should remove gnome and gnome-based applications and go with lxde instead and the applications that are default in Lubuntu
04:13
syros :)
04:14
<alkisg>
I'd use lxde only on fat clients with 300-500 mb ram
04:14
<andygraybeal>
can you explain why you wouldn't be without gnome?
04:14
<alkisg>
For thin clients I don't think it makes a very big difference
04:14
<andygraybeal>
if it was a 1gb fat client?
04:15
<alkisg>
For fat with 1gb I'd use gnome because it has better support, because most people use it
04:15
No strong ideas behind it, just for better support
04:15
<andygraybeal>
okay, i undrestand. i don't want to switch to lxde and then switch back
04:16
but i was thinking the resourcefullness of lxde would be nice... in the long run
04:16
<alkisg>
Some people here do use lxde with ltsp and I don't think they reported any problems
04:16
Even logout etc work fine out of the box, whereas gnome-session rejected the relevant patch
04:17
<andygraybeal>
okay.
04:17
something i'm thinking about and how best to use our hardware
04:17
it reminds me of Windows :) and i don't like that!
04:17
run away run away!
04:18
<alkisg>
What reminds you of windows? lxde?!
04:18
<andygraybeal>
yea
04:18
maybe yuo could sway my mind
04:18
you seem surprised
04:18
so maybe i'm wrong
04:18
like older windows
04:19
<alkisg>
Well with unity etc I think you're closer to newer windows, android, mac os etc than with lxde
04:19
<andygraybeal>
yea
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06:58
<Ghidorah>
Does anyone know what an Invalid Card Number means when logging in on a Terminal
06:58
?
06:58
<Appiah>
where does it say that?
06:59
<Ghidorah>
After authenticating on LDM
06:59
<Appiah>
soundcard erorr perhaps
06:59
<Ghidorah>
Makes sense
07:00
<Appiah>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/684753
07:01
"(ignore that "invalid card" error for a while, it's probably a wrong
07:01
parameter in amixer)"
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<Ghidorah>
Awesome, at least I know that isn't what is causing my real problem :)
07:06
Does anyone know where authentication takes place on LTSP-Cluster? More specifically does it occur on the app or root server?
07:06
<dead_root>
that depends if you doing a cluster with ldap Ghidorah
07:06
<Ghidorah>
My goal is LDAP
07:07
<Appiah>
the appserver auths againsts ldap
07:07
<dead_root>
i believe the app server is what does the authentication,
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07:12
<Ghidorah>
I'm assuming I have to have an LTSP chroot on each app server. Is this correct?
07:13
<dead_root>
no
07:13
the image is on the root server
07:13
but you do keep all the applications you want your users to run on the app server
07:15
<Ghidorah>
man I head hurts lol. When does the load balancing occur?
07:15
my head*
07:15
<dead_root>
lol on the root server
07:16
<Ghidorah>
ah I guess that was a vague question
07:16
When does it pick which app server to use?
07:16
On terminal boot?
07:16
or application launch?
07:17
<dead_root>
you point the clients to the load balancer, when someone logs in, it queries the load blancer, the load balancer checks the app servers and sends the client to the one with the lowest load
07:17
so it picks the app server on user login
07:18
<Ghidorah>
Excellent. Do you know if Local-Apps are still possible with LTSP-Cluster?
07:18
<dead_root>
yes they are
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07:31
<Ghidorah>
dead_root: I'm having an issue with LTSP-Cluster where the client is getting the root server as the application server unless I manually specify an app server as the LDM_Server.
07:32
Have you encountered this before?
07:32
<dead_root>
do you have the load balancer on the root server?
07:32
<Ghidorah>
I have it installed
07:34
<dead_root>
and what does you /etc/ltsp/ltsp-cluster-control.config.php and /etc/ltsp/lbsconfig.xml look like?
07:35
<Ghidorah>
$CONFIG['loadbalancer'] = "172.16.18.1"; in ltsp-cluster-control.config.php
07:35
<dead_root>
and thats the ip of your root server?
07:35
<Ghidorah>
<node address="http://172.16.18.2:8000" name="ltsp-appserv01"/> in the lbsconfig
07:36
<dead_root>
yea those both look good
07:36
hmmm
07:37
in your chroot
07:37
do you have anything in /etc/lts.conf and /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
07:38
<Ghidorah>
No.
07:38
Rather
07:38
I have not modified them.
07:38
<dead_root>
good we want nothing in /etc/lts.conf
07:38
but can you tell me what is in /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
07:39
<Ghidorah>
I'm assuming that should be located on the the root correct?
07:39
<dead_root>
correct
07:39
<Ghidorah>
I do not have a /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
07:39
<dead_root>
probably /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.con
07:40
<Ghidorah>
SERVER=172.16.18.1 PORT=80 ENABLE_SSL=N INVENTORY=Y TIMEOUT=2
07:40
<dead_root>
good
07:40
is apache running on your root server?
07:40
<Ghidorah>
Yes
07:40
I'm able to get to the LTSP-Cluster Control Center
07:41
I have these settings configured on it
07:41
LANG='en_EN.UTF-8' XKBLAYOUT='en' TIMESERVER='172.16.17.1' LDM_DIRECTX='True' SCREEN_07='ldm' LDM_SERVER='%LOADBALANCER%'
07:41
<dead_root>
thats all good
07:41
in the control center, can you click on terminal logs and see if it even sees the clients booting?
07:42
<Ghidorah>
there are several entries
07:43
2011-05-10 10:36:59 2 00:0C:29:43:FE:17 172.16.22.201 172.16.18.1 172.16.18.1 Login screen
07:43
is one such login
07:43
err entry.
07:43
<dead_root>
ok click on the Control Center's settings tab, that does it show for the URL of the load balancer
07:43
<Ghidorah>
Load balancer URL (Default value : localhost:8001) 172.16.18.1
07:44
<dead_root>
try this command on the root server
07:44
/etc/init.d/ltsp-cluster-;bserver restart
07:44
shit
07:44
/etc/init.d/ltsp-cluster-lbserver restart
07:44
lol
07:44
dam fat fingers
07:45
<Ghidorah>
failed
07:45
to start :(
07:45
<dead_root>
really? what error did it give you?
07:45
<Ghidorah>
just [fail]
07:45
<dead_root>
lmfao
07:45
<Ghidorah>
I'm not sure where it logs its failure events at
07:46
<dead_root>
try looking at /var/log/ltsp-cluster-lbserver.log
07:47
<Ghidorah>
Cannot retrieve node 'ltsp-appserv01', error:<class 'socket.timeout'>
07:47
should ltsp-appserv01 be a resolvable host?
07:48
<dead_root>
it shouldn't need to, mine are not
07:48
did you install ltsp-cluster-lbagent ltsp-cluster-accountmanager on the app server?
07:49
<Ghidorah>
Both.
07:49
<dead_root>
can you do an nmap of your app server and see if port 8000 is open?
07:50
<Ghidorah>
Will do
07:51
8000/tcp open http-alt
07:51
open on ltspapp1
07:51
<dead_root>
well thats just weird
07:53
<Ghidorah>
shouldn't ltsp-cluster-lbserver be able to start whether or not the app server is up?
07:55
<dead_root>
i am not sure, never had a situation where the lbserver would not start
07:56
i got to run to a meeting though, if you are still having issues in a hour i will try to help more, sorry man
07:56
<Ghidorah>
Thanks for all your help!
07:56
Talk to you later.
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08:46
<Zarrku_>
you around alkisg
08:46
<alkisg>
?
08:46
<Zarrku_>
I was able to successfully install edubuntu 10.10 on the thin client
08:47
<alkisg>
Did you do anything specific? Or it just worked out of the box/
08:47
?
08:47
<Zarrku_>
I did not get an invalid card error
08:47
Worked right out of the box
08:47
<alkisg>
Please forget about that invalid card error
08:47
It's not related to your problem
08:47
<Zarrku_>
oaky
08:47
okay
08:48
<alkisg>
OK, so, boot the client with edubuntu, and put to pastebin (1) /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and (2) the output of lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
08:50
<Zarrku_>
do we type this in terminal?
08:50
what is put to pastebin
08:50
<alkisg>
http://pastebin.com/
09:06
<Zarrku_>
http://pastebin.com/J6szsL5L
09:09
Is that what you needed?
09:21
<alkisg>
Zarrku_: ok, now it's time to boot it as a thin client.
09:21
First of all, do other clients boot?
09:21
(thin clients)
09:21
<Zarrku_>
we only have the dell thin clients
09:21
<alkisg>
OK, then you can try with a virtualbox client
09:22
Because if something is wrong with your chroot, there's no point in troubleshooting specific hardware...
09:22
Install virtualbox on your server, create a client in bridged mode, and netboot it
09:24
(06:46:43 PM) Zarrku_: I was able to successfully install edubuntu 10.10 on the thin client ==> from the logs I assume it's 11.04
09:25
So keep in mind that you tested a different release
09:27
<Zarrku_>
I am able to boot a different machine via the ltsp on the 10.10 edubuntu server I am running
09:27
it is a different model Dell
09:28
<alkisg>
OK. So I assume that something was fixed from the 10.10 you have on your server, to the 11.04 you tried locally on your thin client
09:28
<Zarrku_>
the problem is the same in both 10.10 and in 11.04
09:28
<alkisg>
It doesn't make much sense. But ok. What do you have on your server now? 10.10/
09:28
?
09:29
<Zarrku_>
yes 10.10
09:29
it does the same thing on both version
09:29
when booted as a thin client
09:29
<alkisg>
OK. What does it do exactly? (besides the invalid card error, forget about that)
09:33
<Zarrku_>
it starts booting, gives the error invalid card at the 10.10/11.04 ' ' ' ' ..invalid card and then reboots and repeats over and over
09:34
in a loop
09:34
<alkisg>
It completely reboots? Or it just restarts X windows?
09:34
<Zarrku_>
just restarts
09:35
<alkisg>
OK. Try this:
09:35
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
09:35
There, put:
09:35
[Default]
09:35
SCREEN_07=shell
09:35
Reboot the client. What do you see?
09:38
<Zarrku_>
i will give it a try
09:38
hold on
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10:06
<dead_root>
Ghidorah did you issue ever get fixed?
10:07
<Ghidorah>
Nah, I decided the carpet bomb approach might work...
10:07
I'm reverting back to Ubuntu 10.04
10:08
I'm guessing you run LTSP-Cluster? Do you run it in a school setting?
10:19
<Zarrku_>
okay, alkisg. it booted into a shell
10:19
no errors
10:19
<alkisg>
Zarrku_: ok. Now, try: X -configure
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10:41
<Zarrku_>
type that in the terminal
10:41
or add it to the lts file
10:44
alkisg?
10:49
<alkisg>
Zarrku_: is it possible to do it a little more synchronized?
10:49
yes, type it to the terminal
10:53
<Zarrku_>
sorry man
10:53
i work on my its help desk
10:54
people scream help, and i get pulled away
10:54
<alkisg>
OK - at least don't hurry for my answers then, I also do various stuff. Wait for 10 mins or so, I'll see it eventually
10:57
<Zarrku_>
okay done
10:58
<alkisg>
Now it should tell you to try it, with "X -config <path to file"
10:58
Do that
10:59
E.g.: X -config /root/xorg-new.conf
10:59
...or something similar
11:01
<Zarrku_>
the screen blinked and is now all black
11:01
after typing inthe command
11:01
<alkisg>
No mouse?
11:01
<Zarrku_>
no mouse
11:02
<alkisg>
If you press alt+ctrl+f1, do you get a login prompt?
11:02
<Zarrku_>
no
11:02
<alkisg>
Very weird.
11:03
<Zarrku_>
i know huh
11:03
<alkisg>
OK, then do all the steps again, but after "X -configure", put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin
11:03
To do that more easily, "scp" can help you
11:03
E.g. scp /var/log/Xorg.*.log zarrku@server:
11:06
<Zarrku_>
you want the log fiel on the server, right
11:06
file
11:06
<alkisg>
The log file from the client
11:07
But it's difficult to put it to pastebin, e.g. you might not even have internet access on your client, that's why I suggested to run "scp" from SCREEN_07 on your client
11:08
<Zarrku_>
it has internet but i cant
11:08
use it
11:08
because theres no desktop
11:08
<alkisg>
Then, you can do: apt-get install pastebinit
11:09
pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:09
(if you have other numbers than 0.log there, put those too)
11:18
<Zarrku_>
cant install pastebinit
11:18
<alkisg>
apt-get update
11:18
apt-get install pastebinit
11:19
<Zarrku_>
somthing about cant reach ftp internal server
11:19
<alkisg>
Then maybe your client doesn't have internet and you need nat on your server
11:19
Do the other command, with the scp
11:25
<Zarrku_>
scp /var/log/Xorg.*.log isdept@gblinux: <-- server name
11:25
<alkisg>
No, use the word "server"
11:25
scp /var/log/Xorg.*.log isdept@server:
11:29
<Zarrku_>
no such file or directory
11:29
<alkisg>
ls /var/log/Xorg*
11:29
No such file there?
11:31
<Zarrku_>
ls can not access directory: no such file or directory
11:31
<alkisg>
Hmmmm
11:32
<Zarrku_>
ls: can not access : no such file or directory
11:32
is what the exact message is
11:32
<alkisg>
And you're absolute sure that those 3 things are true, right? (1) the client boots with 10.10 locally installed, (2) it cannot boot with 10.10 as an ltsp client, and (3) other clients can boot from the same installation
11:33
<Zarrku_>
yes
11:34
<alkisg>
It doesn't make sense. Well, next, I'd install ssh to the chroot so that I can access the logs after the client crashes
11:34
<Zarrku_>
I have a dell gx240 that boots fine
11:34
<alkisg>
There shouldn't be anything different in X initialization in 10.10 locally and 10.10 as a thin client
11:35
Unless you only tried 11.04 locally, and 10.10 as a thin client => in that case try a 11.04 chroot
11:35
<Zarrku_>
either one does the same thing
11:35
<alkisg>
Well the only thing I can advice then is to install ssh to the chroot so that you can get the xorg logs
11:36
<Zarrku_>
okay somethings changed
11:37
I am able to get a desktop log on now
11:37
<alkisg>
How did that happen?!
11:37
<Zarrku_>
I added a # in front of Xserver=vesa inthe lts.conf file
11:37
but
11:38
<alkisg>
Well I told you to use a clean lts.conf file, with only screen_07=shell there... :(
11:38
<Zarrku_>
i did
11:38
this is after
11:38
but
11:38
heres the problem
11:39
i stil cant load a ubuntu desktop
11:39
I can however load a XFCE desktop
11:39
with no problems
11:39
<alkisg>
Try disabling compiz on the server, let me get you the command for that...
11:40
<Zarrku_>
that makes no sense
11:40
<alkisg>
sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
11:40
Why it makes no sense?
11:41
<Zarrku_>
because isnt is still using the default lts.conf file
11:42
<alkisg>
lts.conf doesn't have anything to do with compiz
11:42
That's a gconf command, not related to ltsp
11:42
<Zarrku_>
let me try that command on the server
11:42
no not u
11:43
I was saying why would XFCE desktop work and not ubuntu
11:43
<alkisg>
Because of compiz
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(one out of many possibilities)
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<Xarrku>
alkisg can you please repost that command again
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<alkisg>
sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
11:46
Then just login on the client, no reboot necessary
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<Xarrku>
with XFCE
11:47
<alkisg>
With gnome
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<Xarrku>
kk
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it worked
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<alkisg>
Nice. I still wonder what happened with lts.conf though
11:50
<Xarrku>
im not sure
11:50
this has been very trying for me
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being a linux noob
11:50
<alkisg>
You did well though :)
11:51
Had enough patience to get through it
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<Xarrku>
Well I should say me and my boss
11:52
When I said we earily, my boss was talking to me
11:52
talking to you
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hes alot knowledgeable then me in linux
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but it stumped him too
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but thank you
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<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: are you involved in the ipxe packaging? I filed this wishlist bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626238
12:53
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i was, but stalled out on licensing and someone else basically took it over
12:53
alkisg: but yes, i saw your bug ... if i get a chance i'll propose a complete patch.
12:53
<alkisg>
Thank you :) It does belong in ipxe and not in grub, right?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: the tricky part is i think it's an architecture all package, but the bootloader stuff should only happen on i386/amd64
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<alkisg>
I was thinking that I could also file it against grub, i.e. to check if /usr/lib/ipxe/ipxe.lkrn is there, and if so, to use it
12:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, it belongs in ipxe
12:54
<alkisg>
Ok, good
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<vagrantc>
or an ipxe-specific package
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that's what /etc/grub.d is for ... to make it easy for packages to have add-ons
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<alkisg>
Isn't it possible to have a binary i386/amd64 package generated from the same source package?
12:56
<vagrantc>
yes, could generate a separate package
12:57
it seems like a small thin for a standalone package, but maybe that would be just fine
12:57
small thing
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<alkisg>
That's what I did in a draft gpxe-grub package I put in my ppa 1 year ago - but I put "Architecture: all" instead of i386/amd64...
12:58
(based on your package - I only changed a few lines)
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<vagrantc>
it's a tricky issue ... the justification for arch: all is essentially that it's data only ... i.e. it's not used directly, so the files could be usefully installed on any architecture
12:59
and then you could burn the roms or make an iso with them or whater
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whatever
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but for the /boot stuff, it's clearly architecture-specific
13:00
we'll see what waldi says (though he tends to be very terse)
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<alkisg>
Hehe the lightdm greeter is called "ldm-gtk-greeter" :D
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<vagrantc>
hrm?
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ldm-gtk-greeter has been around long before lightdm
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it's the default greeter
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<alkisg>
It's "ldmgtkgreet" in LDM, vs "ldm-gtk-greeter" in LightDM
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<vagrantc>
oh
13:43
has anyone experiemented with timeoutd to limit sessions?
13:44* vagrantc wonders if it logs out cleanly
13:45
<Hyperbyte>
Wait, this is interesting. I'm considering implementing a logoff and shutdown for thin clients after X amount of idle.
13:46
LTSP has something built in for this? Or is timeoutd something you're implementing?
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<vagrantc>
timeoutd is a package in debian (and presumably ubuntu)
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LTSP could make use of it
13:50
i'm looking at ways to have anonymous/kiosk style logins automatically log out after idle time and setting a session time limit
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so that someone doesn't walk up near the 2 hour limit, and get automatically logged off without warning
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<andygraybeal>
i would love to have this functionality
13:52
<vagrantc>
me too
13:53
there's nothing LTSP-specific about it, really ... though obviously useful in an LTSP environment
13:53
seems like a custom screensaver would be perfect
13:53
<andygraybeal>
report back to me on the progress :P first priority!
13:53
<Hyperbyte>
I was thinking about running a script on LDM startup, which sleeps for 5 minutes and then checks if someone is logged in yet. And if not, shutdown.
13:54
This wouldn't help with logging out users that stay logged in though, just with the ones logging out and leaving their PC on.
13:54
<alkisg>
A custom screensaver wouldn't be able to enforce time limits... only idle timeouts
13:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: still, that's useful
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<alkisg>
Indeed. Although it won't work in Ubuntu as it's patched to force a "blank" screensaver on ltsp clients :D
13:55
<andygraybeal>
yea, i would only want my stuff to log out of two days idle, or something.
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<alkisg>
That timeoutd looks very good though
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<vagrantc>
using "timeout" in a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ i can enforce the time limits
13:56
well, it works, although it didn't seem to give notification
13:56
timeoutd works
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<andygraybeal>
i'm very happy you guys are talking about this - my users have wanted it for forever.. and i reseaarched it a while ago.. and i couldn't get it to work right
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<Hyperbyte>
Wait. Your users actually WANT automatic logouts?
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<Hyperbyte>
Mine want to leave their PC's on all the time, logged in if possible, to save them from having to start it up in the morning.
14:01
I absolutely hate them for that. Heheh.
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<abeehc>
!compiz
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23:02
<niki>
fat client can use local disk as storage ?
23:02Nick change: niki -> Guest63265
23:03
<Guest63265>
fat client can use local disk as storage ?
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<vagrantc>
Guest63265: yes and no...
23:07
Guest63265: i wouldn't recommend it
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<Guest63265>
vagrantc: why ? I need to use my client with local hardisk ..can we do it using fat client
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<vagrantc>
you loose many of the advantages of centralized management ...
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<Guest63265>
vagrantc : k but let me know if possible ?
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<vagrantc>
yes, it's possible.
23:11
no, there's no documentation for it.
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Guest63265: how many times have you asked this question?
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<Guest63265>
vagrantc : tell me whether it is possible or not
23:27* ball falls over
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