IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 12 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<generic>
SOUND = true
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SOUND_DAEMON = alsa
00:00
is that ok what else i need to do plz guide its urgent kind of
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<johnny>
if sound works for other apps
00:01
then the problem is xine
00:05
<generic>
well on thin client it wont work
00:06
<Stax>
if ltsp was a chick, id shag it
00:07
<generic>
johnny what if my thin cllient has a hard disk attached on /dev/sda1 i boot thta machine as thin client now i want that disk to mount on my thin client
00:07
i did LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
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LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/sdb1:usb
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LOCAL_DEVICE_03 = /dev/sda1:sda1
00:07
usb and cdrom works but local disk wont >
00:07
any idea?
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<generic>
hey any other audio player on my thin client sound is disabled how i enable it
00:13
?
00:13
does sound card on my server is necessary?
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johnny ?
00:21
<johnny>
uhmm.. i don't know
00:21
i've yet to use sound with ltsp
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<generic>
hmm
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any cure
00:30
what to do?
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<Stax>
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03:38
<coolio>
hi just installed hardy ltsp, this was easy part, booted the terminals and now it halts at Busybox....anything else we should have done afterwards
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03:48
<original>
hello everybody
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:D
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<original>
esta alguem online??
03:49
ola?
03:49
hi?
03:49
ba?
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:-s
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<coolio>
no response weird
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<generic>
hey ltspbo
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ltspbot u there
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?
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<cdealer>
good morning all
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<Rucal>
hi
06:33
<Q-FUNK>
nantes_geek: how is your LTSP port to Mandriva doing?
06:33
cdealer: hi
06:33
<nantes_geek>
Q-FUNK: hi :)
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<jammcq>
g'morning friends
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<moldy>
hi
07:50
does anyone have experience with the gigabyte STA GA-C7V7-HD as an ltsp client?
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08:15
<generic>
ogra u there?
08:18
any one works
08:18
on mount local disk on thin client
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<moldy>
hmm, why is it so hard to find information on where to buy thinclients that work well with LTSP?
08:29
<generic>
hey mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed what this mean
08:32
<x86>
w00t! my first thin client arrived
08:32
no server yet
08:33
<moldy>
x86: which client did you buy?
08:33
i am desparately looking for information on which client i can buy in germany that is known to work well with ltsp...
08:34
the only clients that are reported to work well are not shipped to germany it seems :(
08:34
<x86>
I'm going to use the HP NeoWare c50
08:34
it comes with Linux installed on it's flash, and suppors XDMCP, so I figure it'll work just fine
08:34
I've not yet set it up though
08:35
<moldy>
i need to know how well driver support is for graphics etc.
08:35
<generic>
helo
08:35
<moldy>
i cannot afford to buy 10 clients just to find out that required apps don't work :(
08:35
<x86>
buy just one then ;)
08:35
if it doesn't work, return it for a full refund
08:36
<moldy>
i find it hard to believe there are so few experiences to build upon :(
08:37
<x86>
I'm sure there are more
08:37
this channel usually gets more active later in the day
08:38
I plan on running 8bpp and I don't really care how the graphics performance is to be honest ;)
08:38
<moldy>
i have been googling my ass off without finding any really valuable information :-/
08:39
unfortunately, i need flash to work well
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<x86>
ah
08:40
my clients wont even have internet access
08:43
<moldy>
i guess will just need to buy one :(
08:43
right now i am thinking about this one: http://www.reichelt.de/?;ACTION=3;LA=4;GROUP=EG43;GROUPID=813;ARTICLE=77994;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=16;SID=15j5bjJtS4AQ8AAHuUKaw73847de9a778de18790b485234148027
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<Daenyth>
Hi, I have a quick question. Is it possible to create a computer set up as a normal local machine on vc7, but with a connection to an ltsp server on vc8?
08:46
or the other way around perhaps
08:46
<generic>
hey i just install ltsp-server stand alone and ltsp-build-client now i am booting thin client gives error initramfs and a black screen after loading image
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09:16
<coolio>
installed hardy ltsp edubuntu today in our lab xeon 3ghz, 4b ram, 1gig nic but logging in is so slow and only 10 of the 20 actually connect to the server
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any thing we need to change
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<jamoola>
hi all
10:08
rjune u there
10:08
any one access local disk on thin client?
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<laga>
jamoola: generic is trying to do that ;)
10:10
<jamoola>
ya but he still wont do that
10:10
hesasking on ltsp but no one answer
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<coolio>
jamoola
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<jamoola>
yes
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<coolio>
seems we are the only ones alive
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<nate66s>
with ubuntu 8.04, how are we supposed to be doing autologin?
11:15
crap, nevermind
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<aruiz_>
hi there
11:24
could anyone tell me what's the SCREEN_01 value that I should choose for the current user login screen used in ubuntu 8.04's ltsp?
11:24
I'm using startx
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and it's not working
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rdesktop works though
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<aruiz_>
I want to have two screens one for rdesktop and another one for gdm
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<aruiz_>
mccann_: hey!
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:)
11:25
<mccann_>
hi
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<aruiz_>
mccann_: nice to see another gnome fellow around
11:25
<johnny>
it's not gdm
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it's ldm
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and don't use 01
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use 07 or 08
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<aruiz_>
johnny: I was guessing it was something different
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<johnny>
07 is ldm
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so try making 08 rdesktop
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<aruiz_>
alright
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<aruiz_>
brb
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<aruiz_>
setting it to SCREEN_08 didn't work
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<johnny>
ldm still comes up on 7 tho?
11:33
<aruiz_>
no it doesn't
11:33
<johnny>
you broke something
11:33
lol
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<aruiz_>
plus, since the rdesktop server is down atm, keeps rebooting the 8th screen
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<johnny>
well.. take out the 8 and make sure everything still works
11:33
<aruiz_>
johnny: as soon as I remove the SCREEN_08 section everything goes normal
11:34
<johnny>
hmm.. sorry.. i don't know what to say otherwise.. i don't use rdesktop at all
11:34
that's the only step i know about to use it.. is the SCREEN var step
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<aruiz_>
does SCREEN_07 = ldm works?
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<johnny>
sure.. but it's implicit
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so i never set it
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<aruiz_>
let's see...
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<johnny>
oh
11:35
no space iirc
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SCREEN_07=ldm
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<aruiz_>
johnny: as soon as I do SCREEN_08 = ldm, screen 07 goes blank
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so it seems that I need to specify both
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let's try
11:37
<johnny>
stop putting the space in there.. the lexer isn't very friendly to misteps
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<aruiz_>
okay
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<johnny>
if i could figure out how to adjust it.. i would..
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:(
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<aruiz_>
johnny: heh
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johnny: as soon as you specify some screen, the default one gets overriden
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<johnny>
perhaps not if you were to do
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<aruiz_>
SCREEN_07=ldm && SCREEN_08=ldm worked
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<johnny>
SCREEN_02=shell
11:41
that should always work
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so maybe it's an x thing..
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<aruiz_>
yeah, maybe
11:41* johnny glad he doesn't have to deal with windows crap
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<aruiz_>
let's try with rdesktop now
11:46
this is wierd
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as soon as I have both rdesktop and ldm working
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<aruiz_>
the rdesktop session hangs...
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<Grejao>
if i already have an dhcp at my network and install ltsp, will it generate conflicts
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?
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<johnny>
use the ltsp-server not ltsp-server-standalone package
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<stgraber>
you will need to configure your current dhcp server to send the next-server option and the filename option
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<stgraber>
if you can do that, you can install LTSP without a DHCP server, if you can't you then have a problem :)
12:34
<Grejao>
stgraber, i have my dhcp server under centos 5.1. i can configure it with specifications. Have any howto about this?
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<stgraber>
is that the standard dhcpd ?
12:35
if yes, all you need is :
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next-server 172.16.1.2;
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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replacing 172.16.1.2 with your LTSP server's IP
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<Grejao>
humm
12:37
ok
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<ByPasS>
quick question was the SCREEN_07 = shell was removed in v5 ?
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<johnny>
why would you use SCREEN_07=shell ?
12:38
<Grejao>
and /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 need to stay at my dhcp server or at ltsp server?
12:38
<johnny>
use 02
12:39
ByPass , maybe you should remove the spaces..
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<stgraber>
Grejao: ltsp server, this path is relative to the tftp server root
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<ByPasS>
well i want to have certain thinclients to log as console and not X
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<Grejao>
ok...
12:40
thanks for your help stgraber :)
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<johnny>
try SCREEN_07=shell
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<stgraber>
Grejao: with Ubuntu it basically means /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 as we have /var/lib/tftpboot as root for our tftp server
12:40
<johnny>
without the spaces..
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<stgraber>
Grejao: np
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<ByPasS>
johnny : right now i have this in lts.conf
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[00:e0:c5:6c:d4:fa]
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SCREEN_07=shell
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and it still boots
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[00:e0:c5:6c:d4:fa]
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SCREEN_07=shell
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oups sry
12:41
but it still goes in ldm
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<stgraber>
IIRC ldm doesn't run on SCREEN 07 but something like 03 or 04 (not sure, I never had the need to have a shell instead of it)
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<ByPasS>
ill try _02 as johnny said brb
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<johnny>
i don't think that'll help.. it'll still run ldm :(
12:43
<ByPasS>
umm
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<ByPasS>
yea it doesnt seem to deal with screen_XX no more
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<ogra>
??
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<ByPasS>
hi ogra, im just trying to setup certain thinclients into console only
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<ogra>
SCREEN_xx definately works
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<ByPasS>
umm
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then i have something setup wrong or missing
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<ogra>
are you sure the MAC is correct
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<ByPasS>
i have [default] SCREEN_07=shell
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atm just tomake sure its not mac relatedf
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<ogra>
well, that should definately work
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is this hardy ?
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<ByPasS>
8.04
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<ogra>
where do you have your lts.conf ?
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(on the filesystem)
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<ByPasS>
ive edited the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<ogra>
ha
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copy it to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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then try again :)
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<ByPasS>
O)HHHHHHHHHHHHH
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kk sec :D
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<ogra>
if you want to use the file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf you need to re-roll the image after every change (thats why we have added the tftp option)
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<ByPasS>
ogra is it possible that /var/lib/tftboot doesnt exist
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<ogra>
not really
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<ByPasS>
in chroot or just hte box
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<ogra>
especially not if your clients boot already
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the box
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<ByPasS>
oh sec i was chrooted
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<ogra>
:)
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<ByPasS>
i was sure i wasnt
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lol
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<ogra>
btw, did you read the notes at the top of the file when you changed it ?
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<ByPasS>
ogra : i guess ill have to since i played with 4.x and doing the same stuff which may be wrong
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<ogra>
well, if you had you would have nown about the changes in the setup :)
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<ByPasS>
ogra : now i get a shell no login but I can deal with that basicly i want certain thin to just SSH another server to replace
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<ogra>
you should have a logged in root accound on shell_02
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(tty2)
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<ogra>
thats what shell does
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<Blinny>
Any particular reason why I still have 'Switch User' on the gdm logout screen from my LTSP clients?
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<ogra>
because i suck :)
13:22
either nobody filed a bug or i missed that one
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<Blinny>
OoOP!
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<ByPasS>
ogra : well ctrl-c doesnt work in shell either !
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lol
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<ogra>
Blinny, sudo apt-get remove --purge fast-user-switch-applet
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as a quick fix
13:24
ByPasS, right, in script spawned shells there is no job control (it should actually have told you that at the top)
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<ByPasS>
i was just kiding yea i did saw ;)
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<Blinny>
ogra: The following packages will be REMOVED: fast-user-switch-applet* ubuntu-desktop*
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ogra: Something tells me I don't want to do that...
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<ogra>
you dont really care :)
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ubuntu-desktop is only used on installs or upgrades
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<Blinny>
Really? All this time I've been not removing packages because they said they'd remove ubuntu-desktop
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I thought that was a metapackage that included eeevvveerrryyytthiiinng with it - gdm/metacity/OOo/Firefox.. basically everything X
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<ogra>
you cn safely do that
13:28
no, it only goes alone
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<Blinny>
Will I have troubles in a year when I do the next LTS upgrade?
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<ByPasS>
good thing to know i didnt removed many packages because of it
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<ogra>
and as long as you use update-manager for upgrades it will be reinstalled if needed for a release to release upgrade
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<Blinny>
Perfect. You are teh awesome. Thank you.
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<ogra>
not me ... mvo is the guy who builds that ... i only read the docs ;)
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<Blinny>
I should try that.
13:31
The tough part is finding the _right_ docs.
13:32
Half the time I'll be following a howto or install guide, only to realize it's for Edgy or Feisty.
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<Grejao>
if i have an ltsp servers with many remote users, its possible to make remote access on a specific session desktop?
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<sutula>
Grejao: Like maybe vnc?
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<ogra>
you can use italc
14:36
install italc-client on the server, then you can connect to each individual session
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(from italc-master)
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<nate66s>
i need to lock down the desktop.. is sabayon the best option? or is not still not working well?
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<x86>
oh man, these thin clients already have Linux on them, and they boot into X and launch some ezConnect software, which I can setup to connect to a remote XDM server automatically, and reconnect upon disconnection...
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<ogra>
it works a lot better, but still isnt perfect and sadly is still the best option
14:38
<x86>
does that mean I wont have to PXE boot these things?
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<Grejao>
sutula, yes, exactly,,,
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<nate66s>
ogra: thanks very much
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<sutula>
Grejao: I tried italc without success on Debian Etch a while back, but will probably try it again. You can use VNC, but will have to arrange for each login to exist within a vnc session.
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<Grejao>
humm
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<ogra>
sutula, stgraber just integrated it with ltsp5 half a year ago it didnt work with new ltsp before
14:41
the latest version even has avahi autodetection of clients
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(not in ubuntu or debian yet)
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<x86>
this is going to be a lot easier just setting up an XDM server rather than having to setup a whole environment for these thin clients to netboot
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<sutula>
ogra: Good to know...hopefully it will be fairly painless before the school year starts in the fall :)
14:43
<Grejao>
i?m only studing ltsp for a possible call center project here at my job. LTSP have any admin painel to see all open sessions? it's possible to conect on a specific session by this panel? have any sofwtare that helps to manager ltsp server?
14:43
<ogra>
the 1.0.9 version shuld enter intrepid soon, we'll care for a backport in ubuntu
14:43
and i know there is close collaboration with the debian maintainer, so it should be in debian at the same time
14:44
Grejao, sudo apt-get install thin-client-manager-gnome
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you will find it in the System menu
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note that the vnc part doesnt work but it makes a good small GUI session manager
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<sutula>
ogra: Is that recent as well?
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<ogra>
sutula, we just dropped it from the default install
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since its unmaintained (thus the broken vnc part)
14:46
<aruiz_>
hi there
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<sutula>
ogra: Oh...so I won't bother vagrantc to put it in Debian :)
14:47
<ogra>
sutula, well, it just needs someon giving it some love
14:47
<aruiz_>
I just configured an ltsp server on the latest ubuntu, and it looks impossible to have a ldm and an rdesktop session at the same time
14:47
<ogra>
it as gnome and kde frontends and apart from the vnc part (which should just be dropped imho) its a good tool
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<aruiz_>
when I switch back to the rdesktop screen the X server is down
14:48
<ogra>
you can send messages to users, kill apps, lock the screen remotely etc
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<sutula>
ogra: I'll make a note, try to find a source package, and see if it's worth working on
14:48
<ogra>
its all pygtk and glade
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and a bit of python-dbus
14:48* sutula notes, neither of which he knows, but code is code :)
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<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thin-client-manager
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<sutula>
Thanks
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<Grejao>
if i have an thinclient without pxeboot and without floppy disk, what kind of connection i need that thinclient can do to connect at ltsp server? whats the protocol?
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<aruiz_>
Grejao, usb stick?
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<vagrantc>
Grejao: you'll need etherboot for the appropritae network card on whatever the boot media is.
15:01
CDROM, usb, flash card, whatever ...
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<aruiz_>
and boot bios support for that media
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<vagrantc>
yes, you can only boot from media that you can ... boot from :)
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<ByPasS>
ogra : is thin-client-manager-gnome kde friendly with the gnome files it installs ?
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since i kinda selected kde for the lockdown features > gnome
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<warren>
lock down features over gnome?
15:21
like what?
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<ByPasS>
some applications were made for that
15:22
id have to check im pretty sure it doesnt work on lastest kde 4 since the changes
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kiosktool err let me check my papers here ive found that long tiome ago im just restarting the project now
15:22
it was in 4.2 time tho
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<ByPasS>
kiosk admin tool
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lets you create certain grp or single user lcokdown settings in kde
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<warren>
GNOME has kiosk and lockdown settings but it isn't very well advertised or documented
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most of it is hidden in gconf
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<ByPasS>
yes that was my issue i had a hard time figure how to work properly with gconf
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was kinda looking at an ez solution altho it might have improved since in gnome tho
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anyway im working on shell based only atm to recycle some old thinclients
15:36
never tried and i need to get the network working :)
15:37
I will want a couple of X thins tho that are locked and that i can set to look win alike for dumbs
15:37
<aruiz_>
ByPasS, have you tried sabayon?
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<ByPasS>
heard of but i dont think
15:40
that reminds me of something
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i made research on locking down monthssss ago and I think ive saw that
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but most programs ive seen or project looked dead or so to me
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<aruiz_>
it's probably the easiest way to create a gnome lockded down profile and apply afterwards
15:43
<nate66s>
aruiz_: i'm actually trying to use sabayon now, but it's extremely unstable
15:43
<aruiz_>
that's true as well
15:43
:/
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<nate66s>
crashes every time i remove something from the panel.. :(
15:44
<aruiz_>
which version are you using?
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<nate66s>
whatever comes with hardy..
15:47
<aruiz_>
nate66s, it would be nice if you could file a bug
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<nate66s>
okay, i can do that
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<aruiz_>
bugzilla.gnome.org
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<nate66s>
k
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<nate66s>
aruiz_: got sabayon to behave a bit by removing tracker
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<aruiz_>
heh
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<johnny>
yes.. i mentioned it
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that bug is known
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i just can't afford to work on it atm
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i'd love to.. but :(
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<ByPasS>
umm cdpinger segfault in shell mode after typing on kb
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<Lns>
Q-FUNK, I just got back from that site, it's doing the same thing. I got a video of it booting up if that helps, i can upload to youtube
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<Q-FUNK>
even when replacing whatever with eveyrthing that's in my PPA?
17:17
<Lns>
yep
17:19
it's a strange bootup - it has the splash screen, acts like it's detecting video for X, goes BACK to a scrolling bar from the splash screen (but no "Ubuntu" word, just the progress bar) and then goes to a blank 80x25 screen w/blinking cursor in upper-left
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other ttys don't even give a login prompt
17:19
I didn't muck around in the BIOS at all, I dunno if there are any relevant settings to configure
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<Lns>
Q-FUNK, please let me know if there's anything else I can do - I cannot log into the chroot on the client as I don't get a login prompt on any ttys though..
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<Q-FUNK>
and that was ater rebuilding the chroot, after updating the packages?
18:05
<Lns>
yes :)
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<Q-FUNK>
any info on the brand of the bios and whether the settings correctly are for CRT output?
18:11
<Lns>
Unfortunately I don't have that info with me atm
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<ByPasS>
lns : does it use uslpash to boot ?
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<Lns>
ByPasS, ?
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the chroot?
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<ByPasS>
the thinclients when they boot
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is it using usplash...
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<Lns>
yes, usplash is enabled
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<ByPasS>
try disabling that
18:15
i have some thinclients that will not get to ldm
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if it is enabled
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<Lns>
ByPasS, are they geode chipsets?
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<ByPasS>
yes
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<Lns>
hrm
18:16
ok i'll do that
18:16
thx
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<ByPasS>
i havent worked further than that tho
18:16
<Lns>
k just disabled it... /me loves ssh ;) - now just have to wait to see if someone can test it on site
18:20* Lns wonders if anyone has a theme-cycling issue like him in Hardy
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<joebaker>
stax: Thanks - Just read your comment about the kubuntu splash screen showing up on the thin clients. I think I may have to do a complete re-installation.
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