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Channel log from 28 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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03:23
<mvip>
does anyone have any good guides on how to get local devices running (flash drives and printers) on ubuntu 7.04
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<ogra>
mvip, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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<ari_stress>
good afternoon :)
06:12
hi guys, is it true that not ALL pxe enabled network card works with LTSP?
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08:11
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:12
<Guaraldo>
morning, sbalneav...
08:12
<sbalneav>
Morning Guaraldo
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<matteoit81>
hi all!
08:46
I've installed edubuntu and I'm trying to make it work with ltsp
08:47
I've been on the official ubuntu guide
08:47
and followed the instruction to install the server and make thin clients work
08:48
the problem is that the clients don't get the ip address from the dhcp
08:48
i've tried to restart the dhcp server but it fails
08:49
anyway
08:49
<sbalneav>
Then you've got a problem with your dhcpd.conf
08:49
<matteoit81>
maybe
08:49
but I think it should be ok
08:49
<sbalneav>
No, not maybe, for sure :)
08:49
<matteoit81>
well
08:50
I've set the ip of the main machine as static
08:50
<sbalneav>
What's the IP address of the network interface on the server the terminals are connected to?
08:50
<matteoit81>
192.168.1.100
08:50
<sbalneav>
Please do a ifconfig -a, and paste that to the pastebot
08:50
!pastebot
08:50
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:54
<matteoit81>
I'd like to, but right now I don't have the computer with ubuntu here. I just would like to ask you: after setting correctly the dhcp server, have I to do something else to ltsp. I mean, I know that I have to make single configuration for any client (screen resolution...), but just to make it work for the first time. next: have I to use dhcp3 or there is some other that is better?
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<sbalneav>
No, if you've configured things correctly, it should work. I know you've got a problem right away, because you've given the host a static IP that's inside the default dynamic range that the server hands out addresses on. Also, by default, the configured file hands out addresses on 192.168.0.x, so you'll have to change that in the dhcpd.conf file as well.
08:57
On edubuntu, this file sits in /etc/ltsp
08:59
<matteoit81>
no it's not in the range
08:59
<sbalneav>
As for your other question, some people have used other dhcp servers, specifically dnsmasq, I think, but most people involved with ltsp preferr the standard ISC DHCP3 server. It's configureable, well known, and it's the one you'll get the most help with.
08:59
<matteoit81>
my range is from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.99
08:59
<sbalneav>
So you've changed it already?
08:59
<matteoit81>
yes
08:59
<sbalneav>
Well, you didn't tell me that.
09:00
So how am I supposed to know :)
09:00
<matteoit81>
sorry
09:00
but the problem is not the configuration file
09:00
but the server
09:00
<sbalneav>
Sure it is
09:00
<matteoit81>
I mean
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<sbalneav>
otherwise, the dhcpd server would start.
09:00
<matteoit81>
if I make it restart
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it fails
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<sbalneav>
right
09:00
that's because it doesn't like the config file.
09:00
look in /var/log/daemon.log
09:01
dhcpd logs it's errors there.
09:01
<matteoit81>
ok
09:01
so what address should I set for the server machine?
09:01
<sbalneav>
But if dhcpd doesn't start, it's because there's either an error in the file, or you've defined an IP range that doesn't have a configured card on the server.
09:02
You can set whatever address you like, so long as dhcpd doesn't hand out addresses for that ip.
09:02
<matteoit81>
I switch on ubuntu and I try
09:02
<sbalneav>
by default, it hands out addresses in the range of .20 to .250
09:02
if you've CHANGED that, then fine.
09:02
<matteoit81>
thanks
09:03
<rjent>
would anyone have time to help me configure my dhcp for pxe boot then other range for non pxe?
09:03
<matteoit81>
yes
09:04
<sbalneav>
rjent: That's fairly complicated, why would you want non-pxe cards at a different range from pxe cards?
09:05
<rjent>
well because, when our upstream dns acts up I have to have a listing of each ip in /etc/hosts
09:06
<sbalneav>
ok, but why can't they just be all in one range?
09:06
<rjent>
Well I only want enteries for thin clients
09:07
<sbalneav>
Ahh, so you're not wanting to differentiate between etherboot and pxe, you just want STATIC hosts to have a different range from DYNAMIC hosts?
09:09
Is that right?
09:10
rjent: hello?
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<rjent>
sbalneav: I would like pxe and etherboot to share a range
09:13
sbalneav: why is it when my upstream dns acts up if I just list the ip's one on each line in /etc/hosts all is well?
09:13
sbalneav: what is odd is if I put an entery like 172.16.3.38 tc-3-38 it fails
09:14
<sbalneav>
ok, so, you've got some hosts, windows or linux boxes with their own IP addresses set in ONE range, say, 100 to 150, and you want all the thin clients to have the range 50-99, say?
09:14
<rjent>
sbalneav: yes
09:14
<sbalneav>
What version of LTSP are you using on what distro?
09:14
<rjent>
sbalneav: I am puzzled why when I put just the 172.16.3.38
09:14
in it works
09:14
older hang on and I will try to see
09:15
<sbalneav>
If you're doing something that requires host names, then you'll need something in /etc/hosts if your dns is down, otherwise hostnames won't resolve.
09:16
Simple way to handle that is just to have a local DNS mirror.
09:16
<rjent>
well I run an internal but this issue happens when the provider dns has troubles
09:17
<sbalneav>
Are the host names defined in the local dns?
09:17
<rjent>
no
09:17
<sbalneav>
Why not? Then you wouldn't have the trouble :)
09:18
Usually, you don't rely on an upstream dns provider for your own local hostnames, just for the external internet addresses.
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<rjent>
Ok agreed. Could you share a small bash script to generate the ip addresses?
09:20
<sbalneav>
Which, for dns entries?
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<sbalneav>
or for /etc/hosts?
09:20
<rjent>
no I will just list an entry for each ip in range in the /etc/hosts
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<sbalneav>
ok, what's the range, and what's the format of your hostnames?
09:22
<rjent>
172.16.1-3.1-254
09:22
<sbalneav>
ok, and how do you want hostnames to look?
09:23
tc-<subnet>-<ip>?
09:23
<rjent>
blank for now since that works better for some reason
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<sbalneav>
That's wrong
09:23
<rjent>
I can tweak
09:23
<sbalneav>
You shouldn't put empty hostnames in /etc/hosts.
09:23
That will break things.
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<rjent>
well with entries of 172.16.3.1 tc-3-1 it will die still on occassion but with 172.16.3.1 (blank here) all well
09:24
<EXP2>
in ltsp5 how you can add a local scanner?
09:24
<sbalneav>
rjent: Well, I'll write you a script that generates names, after that, you can do what you want.
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<sbalneav>
EXP2: I don't think we've done anything like that yet, but doing a chroot /opt/ltsp/i386, and installing the sane libs, and saned, and then coming up with an rc script for the thin client to run should work.
09:26
<rjent>
sbalneav: I think some version of ltsp3
09:28
<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "Generate hostnames" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/292
09:29
<sbalneav>
there you go.
09:29
<rjent>
sbalneav: ltsp has served the site very well. Newer rollouts now include at the site include using debian-live for a thick client experience.
09:29
Thanks ltspbot and sbalneav
09:30
<sbalneav>
Obviously, you could use that to generate dns entries as well.
09:41
<rjent>
well I have put blank entries in the hosts and all is now well on booting. :)
09:42
<sbalneav>
That's broken, but whatever :)
09:42
<rjent>
well kdm does not like it. Interesting
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<gonzaloaf_work>
hello, I use ltsp 4.2, what do I have to do if I receive the message that the Ethernet Card was not detected at booting? then I receive a kernel panic, the NIC is a integrated intel intel 82562g
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<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: That a newer card?
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<sbalneav>
Could be that there's no driver for it in the 4.2 kernel.
10:18
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, Yes is a newer card, I suspected that, is there a way to add the module to the kernel?
10:18
<sbalneav>
Well, you'd have to get the kernel kit, and a driver that would work on the older kernel version that ships with ltsp4.2
10:19
jammcq'd be the guy to help you out with that.
10:26
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, ok lets see if he's available now
10:26
no hes not connected :(
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<rjent>
sbalneav: do I need to have entries in the dhcpd.conf for hostname as well?
11:15
I would like to have ip.3.38.mg for 172.16.3.38
11:15
I have option host-name = concat ("ip.", (binary-to-ascii (10, 8, "", substring (leased-address, 3, 6))), ".mg"); but this is not what I want yet.
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<sbalneav>
You could just use the option get-lease-hostnames true
11:22
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, there is no documentation for the procedure you told me before right?
11:23
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: Check on the wiki.
11:23
It might be on there.
11:23
I've been working on LTSP5 for so long now, I've forgotton everything about 4.2 :)
11:24
<rjent>
I think (binary-to-ascii (10, 8, "", substring (leased-address, 3, 6))) substrings out the last octect but how do I get the third octet
11:24
<sbalneav>
rjent: man dhcpd.conf, look for get-lease-hostnames
11:24
you don't need to set them, it will look them up.
11:25
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, do you think is time to migrate?
11:26
<sbalneav>
What's your server? Debian or Ubuntu?
11:27
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, Ubuntu
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<sbalneav>
What version?
11:28
Feisty?
11:30
<ByPasS>
Sbalneav : is the SCREEN_07=shell directive still supported in ltsp5 ?
11:30
<sbalneav>
ByPasS: Yup, or, remember that you've automatically got a login available to you on screen 1
11:31
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, 6.06
11:31
<sbalneav>
you just have to set a root pasword in the chroot.
11:31
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, I'm sorry 6.10
11:31
<ByPasS>
sbalneav : i want some thinclients to autologin + execute a script (console) upon booting is that possible to your knowledge ?
11:31
<sbalneav>
How many of those newer cards you got?
11:31
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, like 40
11:32
<sbalneav>
Hm.
11:32
Well, Feisty's by far the best version of LTSP in Ubuntu, and gutsy's gonna blow the doors off feisty in terms of performance.
11:33
So, as I see it, you got two options:
11:33
1) migrate to feisty, and upgrade to ltsp5, which will work for you, no problem, or...
11:34
2) if you don't feel like re-doing some of your architecture at the moment, return the cards, and get some older ones that will work with ltsp4.2
11:34
or, one supposes:
11:34
3) Try to get a newer 4.2 kernel compiled.
11:34
I'd pick 1), but I'm biased :)
11:35
ByPasS: Sure, it would take a little bit of scripting on your part, but it could be done.
11:36
<rjent>
will it hurt or help to have a host file in ltsp/i386/etc ?
11:37
<sbalneav>
rjent: Won't hurt, you'll just have to keep it maintained.
11:37
I think /etc/hosts is a generated file, though
11:37
You'd have to check the bootup scripts.
11:37
<rjent>
Well I think this might help my when I get the dns issues.
11:38
I think the site dns server should know it is master on 172.16.xxx.xxx but that zone is not created
11:38
<sbalneav>
rjent: In my opinion, and I'll be blunt, I think you're going about this in the wrong way.
11:38
<rjent>
I am ok with blunt.
11:39
<staffencasa>
ByPasS, you can use the --kiosk plugin to do that and then change the .xsession file output to reflect the program you want to run
11:39
<sbalneav>
I think you should set up a proper dns server on your site, with the hostnames in the dns, and proper forwarding to the external one.
11:39
<rjent>
I want good answers, I can add sugar and coffee myself so I like straight dialog. :)
11:39
agreed I am going to look at setting the dns to know it should be master on 172.16.xxx.xxx
11:40
<sbalneav>
Your problem is a dns issue. You're incurring a lot of extra work to try to provide a secondary backup to the primary dns
11:40
<rjent>
agreed
11:40
<sbalneav>
So in the end, you're going to have to maintain 2 solutions: 1) the dns, and 2) your backup.
11:41
<rjent>
ok well I though I could get away with just listing all ip's in the dns servers host file but no luck
11:42
<sbalneav>
No, you'll have to set up a proper dns. If you want examples, I can paste my dns files, which do exactly the kind of thing you want. You can use them as a template.
11:42
Then, you can modify that little script I pasted to generate bulk dns entries.
11:42
Put your static hosts in too, and you're done.
11:43
then the dns is under your conrol.
11:43
<rjent>
Yes please paste
11:43
<sbalneav>
gimme a few minutes to collect/organize/anonymize :)
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<sbalneav>
rjent: What's an email address? I'll tar these up, and email 'em to you.
11:55
rjent: also, what's an example domain name for me to use for you, I'll customize 'em a bit so you'll have less work.
11:55
<rjent>
.mg
11:56
<sbalneav>
ok, and an email?
11:56
<rjent>
in private chat
11:57
<sbalneav>
if you're trying to /msg me on it, remember that on freenode, you need to have an auth before you can msg
11:57
I'm not seeing it.
11:57
<rjent>
rjent@rjent.pair.com
11:57
<sbalneav>
k, gimme 2 minutes
11:57
<dan__t>
HI.
12:00
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, what about the MODULE_01 to MODULE_10 directive of lts.conf? I realized that in the directory of the kernel that my ltsp 4.2 clients are using there is the e100.ko driver
12:01
<sbalneav>
You could try it, but if it's not autodetecting the ethernet port, chances are that driver's old enough not to recognize the card.
12:01
Won't hurt to try, though, will it? :)
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<dan__t>
rom-o-matic.net > *
12:09
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, I can download the new driver. compile it, put it in the kernel's drivers directory, and use the MODULE directive
12:10
<sbalneav>
well, you'd also have to get it in the initrd as well.
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<sbalneav>
because you can't mount the nfs share until you bring the network card up.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, ooohh right, you are so right
12:12
I can use my ubuntu's 7.04 driver
12:12
can you help me with that?
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<sbalneav>
Sorry, no. Like I say, I've pretty much forgotton everything about the older 4.2. jammcq knows about that, maybe shoot him an email.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, ok
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<rjent>
sbalneav: here is what I have started
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#zone "16.172.in-addr.arpa" {
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# type master;
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#};
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do I need a file "172.16.zone" ?
12:20
with the ltsp entries?
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<sbalneav>
sent you some sample files.
12:21
probably 80% edited to what you want
12:24
rjent: Get it yet?
12:31
<rjent>
yes
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<sbalneav>
If you change to "echo" line in that little script I sent you to:
12:32
echo "172.16.$I.$J IN A tc-$I-$J"
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That will generate dns entried for you
12:36
err, sorry
12:37
tc-$I-$J IN A 172.16.$I.$J
12:37
<kusznir>
Hi all: Got another quick question about the lts.conf for LTSP 4.2: Can I include another file from it?
12:38
<sbalneav>
man dhcpd.conf seems to indicate so.
12:39
include "/path/to/file"; seems to be the syntax
12:39
I've never tried it myself, personally, though, so YMMV
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<rjent>
sbalneav: do I need to list in forward and rev?
12:52
each unit or just rev?
12:53
to avoid looking up 172.16.xxx.xxx
12:53
<sbalneav>
Well, you should list both.
12:53
Well, it will do the lookup anyway
12:53
It will just fail.
12:54
So rather than have it fail, better to just return a name :)
12:56
<ByPasS>
sbalneav : this is kinda odd, I dont have that default virutal term 1 and if I specify SCREEN_07=bash it seems to be stopping after *Starting NBD-Client process Connection Activating nbd-client ... if i press ok i get a prompt but cant login with any logins
12:57
<sbalneav>
What version of Ubuntu you using?
12:58
<ByPasS>
feisty
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<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot?
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
13:04
<rjent>
sbalneav: You provided excellent support on my issue. All is now well :)
13:05
sbalneav: may I ask where you work?
13:05
<sbalneav>
Legal Aid Manitoba
13:05
I'm the systadmin here.
13:05
<rjent>
Where is Manitoba?
13:05
<sbalneav>
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
13:05
<rjent>
You should also be working as a linux consultant.
13:05
<ltsppbot>
"ByPasS" pasted "ltsp.conf" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/293
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<sbalneav>
Pension's better here :)
13:06
Besides, I have this place running so well, they allow me to idle here in the channel, and help people out.
13:07
<rjent>
:) Well I offer humble appreciation for you idle time help.
13:07
<sbalneav>
I'm one of the LTSP developers, and Legal Aid was one of the early adopters
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<rjent>
I have a couple of places that I work that still as ltsp, most of my current work is based on debian-live
13:07
<sbalneav>
ByPasS: Yeah, you've got SCREEN_01=shell
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<rjent>
s/as/has/
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<sbalneav>
There's a getty running on tty1 already.
13:08
so you've got a shell running on top of a getty .
13:08
<ByPasS>
sbalneav : oups I only have SCREEN_07=shell now sry
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<sbalneav>
Well, do you have the shell on F7?
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<ByPasS>
if i hit enter yes but no user can login
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I get past *Starting LTSP Client
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<sbalneav>
Shouldn't need a login
13:16
should just be a shell prompt.
13:16
Shell on the local thin client.
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<ByPasS>
i get a prompt then
13:16
<sbalneav>
ok
13:17
<ByPasS>
er
13:17
i mean a login prompt
13:17
<sbalneav>
On F7?
13:17
or F1?
13:17
press ctl-alt-f7
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what do you get?
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<ByPasS>
I boot the client I get the console spam log
13:18
Up to
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*Starting LTSP CLient.... OK
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<sbalneav>
ok, you're booted.
13:19
what happens when you press control-alt-f7?
13:22
ByPasS: I'm leaving work in 10 minutes, if you want help, answer faster :)
13:23
<ByPasS>
*Starting NBD Client process : Connection .... Activating.... ndb-client
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I dont see the OK part for that last line
13:23
and I get a login prompt right underneath it
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<sbalneav>
ok, thats on tty1
13:24
<ByPasS>
let me reboot
13:24
<sbalneav>
I'll say it one more time: What happens if you press control-alt-f7
13:24
No
13:24
Don't reboot.
13:24
just do what I tell you!
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<ByPasS>
nada
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<sbalneav>
So there's no # prompt on f7?
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<ByPasS>
no
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<sbalneav>
Then you don't have something specified right in the lts.conf
13:26
Please paste the actual lts.conf file you have.
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<ltsppbot>
"ByPasS" pasted "lts.conf" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/294
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<sbalneav>
You sure that's the mac address on the terminal?
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<cliebow>
sbalneav: must be time for a nice swim and a cool beverage
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<sbalneav>
heh, no, I gotta go out to the University Law Clinic and fix their computer.
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<ByPasS>
sbal : DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.100 to 00:50:f6:26:55:b9
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<sbalneav>
Well, something's wrong. You can also set a root password in the chroot, and log in at the password prompt
13:28
on the server:
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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then "passwd"
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:heh i just went to Moore school..to fix their ltsp...server weasnt plugged in since cleaning..
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<sbalneav>
reboot the box, and it should be ok.
13:29
heh.
13:29
ok, I gotta pack up and head out.
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good luck to all.
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<cliebow>
and..a couple bios batteries lost their minds and forget to boot from network
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see ya
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<kusznir>
Hi all: I've got a bit of a situation here, and was wondering if anyone could help. I got caught by the beginning of the school year rush and some incoming money, and bought Neoware Eon's and some Acer 20" displays. The plan was to stick our Nvidia FX5200's into the Neowares, and everything would be cool.
13:49
Unfortunately, as I mentioned last week, I couldn't get the nvidia cards to come up on the neowares, and it looks like its a power shortage. So now, I'm using the onboard 4MB video.
13:50
The problem I now have, is I haven't been able to get the resolution the displays want/need: 1680x1050. I manually set the vertrefresh option to 60, as before it was feeding it something it couldn't handle.
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I don't have a horizontalsync specified, and don't know what I would specify if I did. I suspect the problem is just the internal video is too poor to support these. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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<mohamednasr>
how i make discless server?
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<snorp>
hello thin people.
14:37
I am told that ltsp can use nbd in lieu of nfs now, is this true?
14:37
does anyone know details?
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mostly, I'd like to know if a union filesystem is used to provide write support
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(into tmpfs or wherever)
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<cliebow>
snorp:in gutsy we are trying out nbd
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and unuionfs/squashfs
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<snorp>
ok
15:07
I am trying to get something like that going on a thing I am working on
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it seems to deadlock really quickly
15:08
did you run into that?
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<cliebow>
ogra is the brains behind this..and is prolly sleeping..
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<snorp>
ah
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<whiprush_>
yeah he's on .de time
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<cliebow>
sbalneav went home an hour ago.. they collaborate..
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we listne
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<snorp>
heh
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<cliebow>
you have nbdroot running from inetd
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?
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<snorp>
nope
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hmm, hold on
15:09
what is nbdroot :)
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<cliebow>
i'd have to google..but it runs on port 2000 via inetd
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<snorp>
nbd-server?
15:11* snorp googles
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<snorp>
yeah, you must mean nbd-server
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all of that is working
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I can mount the squashfs from the nbd device
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and mount the aufs
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but if I try to chroot into it, it hangs :/
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<cliebow>
yeah:you/ll have to catch ogra...tomorerow morning..?
15:15
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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#<off># netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/smbd
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booking it..Later from home...
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<snorp>
ah, nbdrootd is a ltsp thing
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which appears to just invoke nbd-server
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<gonzaloaf_work>
somebody experienced in building a custom kernel for ltsp 4.2 ?
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<jbassett>
Hello folks
17:03
Is it possible to have a boot menu on the clients which allows selection of LTSP 4.1, 4.2. 5 etc to be used during testing/changeover periods?
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<jbassett>
Are there any known issues in using LTSP with 'real' thin clients that do not contain a system clock?
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<leleobhz>
hello all!
18:00
i have a xen machine with a webserver as domU
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and i want to create another vm to run only ltsp
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so, have some article explaining this?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<ari_stress>
!printer
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<ltspbot>
ari_stress: Error: "printer" is not a valid command.
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<ari_stress>
!print
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<ltspbot>
ari_stress: Error: "print" is not a valid command.
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<ari_stress>
can anyone tell me the url for how to setup local printing with ltsp5?
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<dan__t>
In LTSP4.2, there was an lts.conf that had penty of good examples in it.
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<ari_stress>
hey dad :)
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<fgiraldeau>
Hi jammcq! Hope that you're fine
21:09
sbalneav: hope you too :)
21:09
sbalneav: configure-x.sh : I needed to add "export HOME=/tmp" before the X -configure
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otherwise, Xorg tries to create the file in the root "/" and it failed, because it's not writable when using bind_mount
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<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: ok, good to know. Ollie wrote the configure-x.sh script, I'll add it to the script.
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<fgiraldeau>
cool, thanks.
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<sbalneav>
I'm just sitting here doing documentation. I've got 'till the 13th to document all the stuff we've added/changed/improved :(
21:12* sbalneav types furiously
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<fgiraldeau>
my god, and where all this doc goes?
21:13
<jammcq>
in /dev/null
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<fgiraldeau>
Maybe I can help you on the part I worked...
21:13
jammcq: hey hey, anyway nobody reads doc :)
21:13
<sbalneav>
Edubuntu handbook, at the moment, but I'm structuring it so that we can pull most of it out, and get it up on ltsp.org
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<fgiraldeau>
ok, cool.
21:15
Well, It doesn't seems to be a Wiki. Can you give me more info on that?
21:15
On how to submit docs?
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston/Attendees
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Getcher name on there, Ollie's already put our names in :)
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fgiraldeau: It's all in xml, it's an svn repo, hold on, I'll find you the url...
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fgiraldeau: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk
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I'm working on edubuntu/handbook/C/server.xml
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: I've added myself
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<sbalneav>
\o/
21:20
You'd need a docteam login to commit, so for now, when you make changes, email me the file, and I'll have to merge manually.
21:20
Or, better still, just put them in a separate file, and I can put it in.
21:21
Then we'll just add you to bookinfo.xml
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<fgiraldeau>
ok, thanks. I think that I could explain the multi-host thing.
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<sbalneav>
ok
21:21
I'll leave that bit for you then. There's lots of other doc to catch up on! :)
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<fgiraldeau>
yeah, you're right!
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<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: have you signed up for Ubuntu dev summit in Boston?
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<sbalneav>
Once you submit the stuff to me, we can go bug LaserJock, and he and I can vouch for you, and get you a docteam login. Then you can just svn commit your stuff :)
21:22
<fgiraldeau>
refresh the page :)
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<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: cool. you can finally meet your fellow canadian
21:23
<sbalneav>
It's svn, instead of bzr, which I think is crack, because docs could REALLY benefit from bzr, but for whatever reason, alll the doc writers want svn instead of bzr. Go figure.
21:24
<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, I was waiting for you, can you help me building a custom kernel for ltsp 4.2?
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<jammcq>
gonzaloaf: umm, do you reeally need to build a kernel? you oughta be able to just force the NIC module for your card
21:25
the kernel is prolly fine. it's prolly the niclist that is missing the ID for that card
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gonzaloaf: do you know which kernel module to use for that card?
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<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav, jammcq : thanks again, and have a nice day, I'm going to sleep a bit.
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, I'm not pretty sure, but when I load ubuntu live cd it uses the "e100" module
21:28
jammcq, did you receive my mail right?
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<jammcq>
gonzaloaf: yeah
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gonzaloaf: what you need to do is pass 'NIC=e100' to the kernel
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#PXE
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read that article about HOW to pass NIC=e100 to the kernel
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, will the e100 module provided for the ltsp stock kernel support my NIC? or do I have to copy another?
21:30
<jammcq>
it'll prolly work
21:30
the stock kernel is fairly current
21:31
the only way to know for sure is to give it a try
21:32
<ari_stress>
guys, is there any url for setting up local printing with ltsp5 ubuntu?
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, ok let me try
21:34
<sbalneav>
ari_stress: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html
21:35
ari_stress: basically, PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/whatever
21:36
then just set up a printer to point to workstation ip, and port 9100
21:36
and set it up as a jetdirect type printer.
21:36
ari_stress: Is it a USB printer?
21:36
<ari_stress>
yes usb
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<sbalneav>
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 then.
21:37
<ari_stress>
ok
21:37
i gtg for a while
21:37
see you
21:37
thank you so much
21:37
<sbalneav>
okie. You know where to find me. :)
21:44
<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, The computer boots with PXE correctly, the kernel panic occurs when the client tries to load the ltsp kernel
21:44
<jammcq>
right
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, in this case I have to do what you toldme before?
21:45
<jammcq>
and adding 'NIC=e100' to the kernel 'append' line will pass information through the kernel to the initramfs, so that it'll load the correct NIC driver
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, I have to create a custom PXE conf file for that client right?
21:47
<jammcq>
gonzaloaf: read the article.
21:47
<gonzaloaf>
ok
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<jammcq>
you can put it in the 'default' file if you want
21:47
but then it'll apply to ALL workstations
21:47
at least it's easy to test it that way
21:47
<gonzaloaf>
yes ok
21:47
let me try
21:50
jammcq, how can I know what kernel is using my PXE ?
21:50
I have many
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<jammcq>
gonzaloaf: what is 'filename' set to in dhcpd.conf ?
21:51
<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, ok I got it
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, it worked!
21:57
jammcq, thank you
21:57
<jammcq>
:-D
21:57
<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, now I have to create one file per client with this NIC
21:57
<jammcq>
yes
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, but let me try if my another clients boot with this option first
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<edgarin>
Hi people
22:18
Hi jammcq
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<edgarin>
what is the differences in ltsp 4.2 and 5?
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<sbalneav>
hoo boy.
22:19
lots
22:19
!ltsp5
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
22:20
<edgarin>
ok but what is the difference
22:20
only the next version?
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<sbalneav>
Most things are the same, some slightly different.
22:21
<edgarin>
ok
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<sbalneav>
Currently, ltsp5 exists for Debian and Ubuntu.
22:21
ports for other linuxes are underway.
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<edgarin>
I speak spanish but in the documentation I understand the version 5 is integrated in all distros but is the same with 4.2
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ok
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<sbalneav>
Well, it CAN be integrated in distros.
22:22
Not all distros have done it yet.
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<edgarin>
ok
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<sbalneav>
Ubuntu and Debian have, currently.
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<edgarin>
but the most popular
22:23
ok
22:23
but I can install ltsp 5 with the package ltsp-utils?
22:23
<sbalneav>
no
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<edgarin>
if my distro don't have the ltsp 5 integrated
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ok
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<sbalneav>
that;s for ltsp 4.2
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What's your distro?
22:24
<edgarin>
is ubuntu
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<sbalneav>
Then you're fine.
22:24
<edgarin>
yes ;)
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<sbalneav>
apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
22:25
<edgarin>
yes, yes I read the ubuntu wiki
22:25
<sbalneav>
ok, so there you go. Follow that.
22:25
<edgarin>
thanks!
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, now can you explain me what happens at all?
22:30
<jammcq>
what happens with what?
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, with the procedure I did
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jammcq, I dont understand at all how it is working
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<jammcq>
gonzaloaf: the auto-detection for LTSP-4.2 uses a file called 'niclist'. it contains PCI ID numbers for most of the known cards. Unfortunately, yours is so new, it's not in the niclist file. So, we have to force a specific driver
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<edgarin>
jammcq, how are you?
22:32
<jammcq>
hello edgarin
22:32
<edgarin>
jammcq, I need information about the diffences of LTSP 4.2 and LTSP 5?}
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<jammcq>
edgarin: well, you know about LTSP-4.2, right?
22:32
<edgarin>
yes
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<gonzaloaf>
jammcq, lets say: 1) the client boots using the kernel that is specified in dhcpd.conf ,right? Then, when it booted, it tried to load the ltsp kernel, am I right so far?
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<jammcq>
edgarin: go read this article: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions?topic=MueKow
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<edgarin>
jammcq, ok
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<edgarin>
jammcq, I can use ltsp-utils for install ltsp5?
22:39
or no?
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<jammcq>
no
22:39
<edgarin>
ok
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<jammcq>
ltsp-utils is for LTSP-4.2 ONLY !
22:39
<edgarin>
yes but I have a question
22:40
if you want install ltsp in a distro without ltsp integrate
22:40
I can download a tar.gz of LTSP 5?
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<jammcq>
edgarin: then currently, you can install ltsp-4.2, or a tarball of ltsp-5
22:40
the tarballs are on the ltsp web site
22:40
<edgarin>
ok
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<jammcq>
but they are kind of old at this point. from last march I think
22:40
<edgarin>
:)
22:41
sorry for the questions buts I was confused about LTSP 5
22:41
but now all are perfect ;)
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<jammcq>
edgarin: make sure you read that article. it'll clear lots of stuff up for you
22:44
hey cliebow
22:44
<edgarin>
ok
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