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Channel log from 11 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<viggy_prabhu>
Hi friends, I want to know that if i want to install a LTSP server, Do i need a dhcp server running in it?
02:10
<cyberorg>
viggy_prabhu, yes if you do not have any other running
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<Roel_>
hi guys, I'm having some trouble installing on gentoo: at ltsp-build-client it says " [blocks B ] <sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8 ("<sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8" is blocking sys-apps/util-linux-2.16.1) " and so on :(. I can't seem to emerge
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<Juhaz>
any clues on enabling local storage for localapps?
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<Roel_>
What is the status of ltsp for gentoo at this moment?
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<Roel_>
Where's that living community?
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<Roel_>
Is there anybody not afk?
05:58
<cyberorg>
Roel_, you need johnny when he is around
05:59
<Roel_>
Yeah, so I've read in bug 177580 ... I just don't know what time they have over there
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<Roel_>
anybody here already that know ltsp 5 on gentoo?
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<nubae>
h,,-
07:21
my xhcat is really acting up
07:22
<scottmaccal>
Morning all.
07:24
<Roel_>
morning... although its afternoon for me :)
07:25
<scottmaccal>
heh
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<dmarkey_>
sbalneav: i have mozplugger working with mplayer playing on the client while fiefox running on the server
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<Roel_>
anybody here already that know ltsp 5 on gentoo?
08:17
<alkisg>
johnny ?
08:17
<ogra>
or knipwim iirc
08:18
<Roel_>
I guess they're still not really here
08:18
they don't seem to respond
08:18
<ogra>
just hang around here for a while
08:18
<Roel_>
I am :)
08:19
just from time to time checking wheter there is anyone online to help me a bit
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<sbalneav>
dmarkey_: nice. Code is where?
09:01
<cyberorg>
alkisg1, shutdown/reboot works!! thanks :)
09:02
<alkisg1>
cyberorg: nice :)
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09:02
<alkisg>
cyberorg: did you patch kde?
09:02
Or did you also use the gnome-session patch?
09:02
<cyberorg>
i had to patch .desktop files to pass our build service checks
09:03
<alkisg>
Ah, fine :)
09:03
<cyberorg>
nothing, just used .desktop files in localapps examples
09:03
i mean no patching gnome/kde
09:03
<alkisg>
If the gnome-session patch is accepted, at least in Ubuntu Lucid we'll have proper reboot/shutdown directly from the menus... with no desktop files, localapps etc
09:04* alkisg bbl
09:04
<cyberorg>
for now the icons show up in application browser, i can live with that :)
09:05
if there is gnome-session patch may be we can convince vuntz to include it upstream
09:06
<ogra>
just subscribe him to the LP bug
09:07
alkisg, ^^
09:09
<stgraber>
AFAIK it's a change to the user-switch menu that Canonical DX team wrote, not to the stock gnome one (but I may be wrong here)
09:10
<ogra>
i think it was a gnome-session patch
09:11
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
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<alkisg>
cyberorg, stgraber, ogra: it's a patch for gnome session, but it "steps" on another patch that canonical put on the vanilla gnome-session
09:17
So it can't be directly applied upstream, but still, the concept is the same, just 4 lines of code are needed
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<alkisg>
stgraber, ogra, I think the ubuntu maintainer needs an OK from you guys to include it to gnome-session... if you could say an OK to the launchpad bug page, I think he'd accept it.
09:21
<stgraber>
just wondering, as you are doing that in a C file, wouldn't it be cleaner to use gtk/gdk to set the property ?
09:21
instead of a call to xprop
09:21
<alkisg>
Sure, but I had problems with the headers
09:22
I'd have to include gdk.h etc and I don't know if they'd want that
09:22
I could also do with with plain X, but I'd still need 1-2 headers
09:23
I do have the code ready, if the headers are not a problem...
09:24
<stgraber>
I'd also propose the gdk way of doing it, so they can choose which one they'd like to use
09:25
<alkisg>
The gdk docs say (on the particular function) that we'd better *not* use it, and use X instead :)
09:26
But sure, I could post the gdk code...
09:26* alkisg searches...
09:27
<alkisg>
gdk_property_change(gdk_get_default_root_window(), gdk_atom_intern("LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION", FALSE), XA_STRING, 8, GDK_PROP_MODE_REPLACE, (guchar *) "HALT", strlen("HALT"));
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<dmarkey_>
sbalneav: it was only to prove the concept
09:38
what method is used to execute commands on the thin client, from the session
09:39
<alkisg>
ltsp-localapps <cmd>
09:40
<dmarkey_>
and that uses ssh with key auto or something?
09:40
auth*
09:41
<sbalneav>
dmarkey_: Well, you should at least document what you've done somewhere, so that if someone DOES want to write some code, or produce a package, they can.
09:41
<alkisg>
No, it sets an x atom, and there's a listener which picks it up and executes the command
09:42
<dmarkey_>
wow, snazzy
09:43
sbalneav: i'll get it working with ltsp-localapps and document it
09:43
it should be trivial
09:44
<alkisg>
dmarkey_: you managed to run the plugin on the client, and the browser on the server?
09:44
<dmarkey_>
yep
09:44
<alkisg>
How did you do it?
09:45
<dmarkey_>
i just caught that mplayer command that would have been executed on the server, cut + paste and ran it on the client, and it worked
09:46
<alkisg>
And it was embedded in the browser?!
09:46
<dmarkey_>
it was
09:46
<alkisg>
What was the command, do you have it somewhere?
09:47
<dmarkey_>
http://pastebin.com/m14c55983
09:47
<johnny>
flash uses xembed, so i don't see why that wouldn't work either..
09:48
<alkisg>
Ah, there's an x protocol for embedding windows to other windows? Wow! :)
09:49
johnny: if it uses xembed, then we can only install flash as a localapp? and use a wrapper?!
09:49
<johnny>
alkisg, they made this change sometime last year iirc
09:49
alkisg, i think so?
09:49
if you're already using nspluginwrapper, i don't see why you can't front load it with ltsp-localapps command anyways..?
09:49
<alkisg>
I.e. not only for video, but for *everything* flash related... heh, that'd be cool
09:49
<johnny>
not that i've tied..
09:49
tried*
09:50
<alkisg>
I thought flash could interact with parts of the page...
09:50
<dmarkey_>
johnny: could work
09:51
<johnny>
i thought nspluginwrapper was a terrible idea.. but i went back to it.. even on i386..
09:51
it is easier to stop the browser from going insane
09:51
<dmarkey_>
ha, really, wow
09:51
<johnny>
just pkill -f nsplugin
09:51
that's what i run when things are going insane in firefox
09:52
<dmarkey_>
chromium runs flash as a seperate process
09:52
<johnny>
if you use nspluginwrapper, so do you
09:52
<dmarkey_>
well i use chromium anyway
09:53
<johnny>
if i want a webkit browser i use epiphany.. for now
09:53
i've tried to avoid using chrome*
09:53
google rarely knows how to open source things
09:53
things like .. using system libs
09:53
they kinda suck at it..
09:54
they have the "code drop" philosophy that apple uses
09:54
for webkit that is..
09:55
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: [21:10] <sbalneav> jhutchins_lt: docs for LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD are in the docs
09:55
<johnny>
jhutchins, just go ahead and try LDM_AUTOLOGIN_TIMEOUT=10
09:56
or have somebody with an ldm checkout grep for TIMEOUT
09:56
<jhutchins_lt>
The only thing at the "Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream" link is a PDF which decidedly does NOT document any timeout for LDM autologin.
09:56
<johnny>
that's not true
09:56
there are regular linked docs
09:56
html docs i mean
09:56
<jhutchins_lt>
Not on that page.
09:56
<johnny>
!docs
09:56
<ltspbot>
johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
09:56
<jhutchins_lt>
I know there are docs out there. That link has ONLY the link to the PDF.
09:57
<alkisg>
LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
09:57
<johnny>
click MAIN Page
09:57
that takes you to the docs jhutchins.. did you even try that? :)
09:58
altho i know they are missing the timeout option
09:58
<sbalneav>
jhutchins_lt: ok, hold on, lemme look
09:58
<johnny>
i looked already
09:58
<alkisg>
if [ -z "$LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT" ] && [ -n "$LDM_TIMEOUT_TIME" ] && [ -n "$LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLED" ]; then
09:58
<johnny>
only one of those is modern..
09:58
<alkisg>
The first one
09:59
man lts.conf
09:59
<jhutchins_lt>
" Configuration:Almost all of the client configuration for LTSP is done in the lts.conf file. "
09:59
alkisg: Unfortunately Debian doesn't include that man page.
09:59
<alkisg>
LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT => This lets LDM automatically login after the set amount of time in seconds. Use it in this format: [thin:client:mac:address] LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 25
09:59
<ogra>
should be in ltsp-docs
09:59
<jhutchins_lt>
johnny: There's certainly a framework for documentation.
09:59
<sbalneav>
!docs
09:59
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
09:59
<johnny>
which is a link..
09:59
<ogra>
together with all other ltsp docs
09:59
<johnny>
jhutchinsthe lts.conf was a link..
09:59
<alkisg>
jhutchins_lt: well, install it from Ubuntu :)
10:00
It's just docs...
10:00
<johnny>
but i already know it is missing the option
10:00
<alkisg>
Or from sid...
10:00
<johnny>
sbalneav, perhaps you shouldn't make the PDF linke featured so prominently
10:00
<ogra>
the ltsp-docs package in ubuntu comes from debian :)
10:00
we autosync it
10:00
and it contains all upstream docs
10:00
<jhutchins_lt>
Ok, some pretty useful stuff at http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtsConf
10:00
<ogra>
and additional manpages
10:01
<johnny>
jhutchins, see i told you they were there :)
10:01
altho just not the one you needed :)
10:01
<alkisg>
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
10:01
<johnny>
hopefully fixed shotly tho..
10:01
<jhutchins_lt>
ogra: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ltsp-docs"
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<alkisg>
jhutchins_lt: ^^ that one's better
10:02
(= more recent)
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!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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<alkisg>
!forget lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!learn lts.conf as http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
10:02
<ltspbot>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<jhutchins_lt>
Excellent, I was hoping that picking this up agan during the daytime would get me somewhere.
10:03
<sbalneav>
jhutchins_lt: I'm unsure as to what you want. Was there a missing parameter?
10:03* jhutchins_lt is off reading manpages and testing timeout.
10:03
<dmarkey_>
sbalneav: so do you guys work for companies that pay for you to hack at LTSP
10:03
<ogra>
jhutchins, well, it comes from debian, i added it to the sync list in ubuntu and have it installed here :)
10:03
<sbalneav>
dmarkey_: no
10:03
I don't, anyway
10:03
<dmarkey_>
lol.. sorry that wasnt ment to be at you specifically
10:03
<ogra>
jhutchins, what release are you using ? might have enetered the archive after lenny
10:04
not sure, debian releases are so rare and outdated :)
10:04
<sbalneav>
johnny: Why shouldn't I feature the pdf?
10:04
<jhutchins_lt>
ogra: Don't know where in debian - testing/sid?
10:04
<ogra>
jhutchins, both i think
10:05
<johnny>
because people don't notice to click on the main page for the html docs
10:05
<Juhaz>
does anyone have any hints on enabling local storage for localapps?
10:05
<ogra>
we snyced it before karmic released ... so it should be in testing since a while
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<alkisg>
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ltsp-docs
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<jhutchins_lt>
Yep: ltsp-docs -- sid: 0.99+bzr91-1 squeeze: 0.99+bzr91-1
10:06
johnny: We would assume that the main page would not be the docs page if the docs page exists seperately.
10:07
<ogra>
!seen vagrantc
10:07
<ltspbot>
ogra: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <vagrantc> options come from ltsp, ldm, and ltspfs sources, so it's hard to auto-generate them.
10:07
<ogra>
heh, seems he was talking about the manpage bug :)
10:08* sbalneav is really unsure in all this talk exactly WHAT deficiency there is in the docs
10:08
<alkisg>
Nah, someone proposed that we should autogenerate the lts.conf man page :)
10:08
Erm, lts.conf settings listing
10:09
<ogra>
sbalneav, there is none
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<sbalneav>
Is there a missing parameter that I'm not aware of?
10:09
<jhutchins_lt>
With LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y it went direct to autologin. Trying without that.
10:09
<alkisg>
Not enough nudity in the sf wiki page? :P :D
10:10
<sbalneav>
I've asked jhutchins_lt several times, but it seems he's not deigning to respond to the guy who actually cares for the docs, so there's not much I can do to fix things unless I know exactly what's wrong.
10:10
<ogra>
sbalneav, no, there is a complaint that the options for ltsp-build-client arent all listed in the manpage, but the manpage explains why, check your bugmail, we have a bug open about it (i think you even assigned it to yourself)
10:11
sbalneav, oh, seems we talk about different things :)
10:11
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: Sorry, I've been responding to multiple threads, chiefly by reading the docs - and testing them.
10:11* ogra was just referring to vagrants last words in the !seen command
10:11
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: Were you asking anything besides "what's missing from the docs?"
10:12
<sbalneav>
If theres something missing from the docs, let me know, and I will add them.
10:12
I am the primary person maintaining the docs.
10:12
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: Thank you, it was just a question of FINDING the proper docs.
10:12
<sbalneav>
well the entire lts.conf file is documented in the pdf
10:13
<ogra>
sbalneav, i was just referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/479423 ... seems vagrant talked about that issue
10:13
sbalneav, no action required ;)
10:13
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: I suggest you check again. It's documented, but certainly not all options. Option format yes.
10:13
<sbalneav>
the lts.conf.xml file is broken up into sections, and each section is included in the relevent area in the larger pdf.
10:13
<jhutchins_lt>
Probably works better if you write the lts.conf before testing changes...
10:13
<sbalneav>
And I ask again...
10:14
WHICH OPTION HAVE YOU FOUND THAT'S NOT DOCUMENTED?
10:14
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: Let me finish testing, I will check the PDF again.
10:14
sbalneav: LTS_AUTOLOGIN_TIMEOUT
10:14
LDM rather.
10:14
<sbalneav>
Thank you!
10:14
<alkisg>
There's no such option
10:14
<sbalneav>
I will look into that.
10:14
<alkisg>
It's LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
10:16
and it *IS* documented on the pdf.
10:16
LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT integer
10:16
This lets LDM automatically login after the set amount of time in seconds. Use it in this format:
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[thin:client:mac:address]
10:16
LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 25
10:16
<sbalneav>
alkisg: Correct
10:17
<alkisg>
sbalneav: why don't you include the .pdf on the ltsp-docs package?
10:17
<sbalneav>
vagrant did the packaging for ltsp-docs.
10:17
but now that I'm learning packaging, I may re-do it
10:17
<ogra>
:)
10:18
<alkisg>
;) one more for motu :D
10:18
<jhutchins_lt>
Ok, rather than continue to try to get this working, I will persue what is and isn't documented where. As I said earlier, it was largely a matter of finding the right docs. There are many, not all of which are yours, not all of which are complete. I'm trying. Right now I have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y commented out and it's not timing out.
10:18
<ogra>
i'll sponsor you
10:18
<sbalneav>
personally, I'd prefer to actually have it integrated into gnome and kde's help
10:18
rather than shipping a static pdf
10:18
<alkisg>
Yeah, that'd be better. It's already xml, right? So it shouldn't be too difficult...
10:19
<sbalneav>
I figured out how to do it for the sabayon docs
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<jhutchins_lt>
Dang - I already had it in there as "5", have specific terminal as 25. I'm probably on an earlier version that doesn't enable that. Perhaps "as of version" or "requires version" would clarify the docs.
10:19
<sbalneav>
so yeah, it's actually EASIER than generating the pdf
10:19
<alkisg>
jhutchins_lt: can you post your lts.conf ?
10:20
<jhutchins_lt>
alkisg: Yes, right now I'm searching the PDF.
10:20
<sbalneav>
confirmed by looking at the source. There is no LDM_AUTOLOGIN_TIMEOUT, there is LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, which is documented.
10:21
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: The PDF has five sections on lts.conf: location, sample, section headings, variable assignments, The LIKE keyword.
10:22
Ok, the LDM configuration _is_ documented, under LDM. It makes a bit more sense how it's laid out now.
10:22
sbalneav: Actually, that's what I'm using, I'm just transcribing it badly.
10:23
In any case, it does not appear to be working so far. Do I nee _both_ timeout and autologin = y?
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<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: The whole problem has really been me finding the right portion of the docs.
10:24
alkisg: Hang on while I grab the conf for pastebin.
10:25
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/f3d328bfa
10:26
Hang on, missed the login, gotta test again.
10:26
<alkisg>
LOCAL_STORGE=Y ==> typo
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<alkisg>
LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT = 25 ==> don't put it 2 times...
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<jhutchins_lt>
Thank you kindly. In that configuration it doesn't time out.
10:28
<alkisg>
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y ==> don't specify both autologin AND timeout...
10:28
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: That should be clarified in the docs.
10:29
alkisg: Ok, those three corrections made, rebooting agian.
10:30
alkisg: Got the login page.
10:31
alkisg: Still at the login page.
10:33* alkisg goes to pickup his kids, bbl...
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<jhutchins_lt>
alkisg: 5.1.10-2
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<ogra>
10 ?
10:34
woah, thats old
10:35
<jhutchins_lt>
ogra: That's Lenny/stable Debian.
10:35
<ogra>
yeah
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<jhutchins_lt>
Looks like 60, 90, & 93 are available.
10:36
<ogra>
we're at .96 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
10:37
there should be a backports repo for lenny ltsp somewhere
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<jhutchins_lt>
ogra: Checking.
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<jhutchins_lt>
Following http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports to update.
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<alkisg>
jhutchins_lt: you may also check if lenny supports the older way to do it:
10:50
LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLED and LDM_TIMEOUT_TIME
10:50
<jhutchins_lt>
Sigh.
10:50
Already in mid-upgrade.
10:50
<alkisg>
I wrote that 1 hour ago :)
10:54
<jhutchins_lt>
Might have been a netsplit or something.
10:57
Now to see if I've b0rked it.
10:59
Well, it counts down, but doesn't log in.
11:00
<ogra>
check auth.log and ~/.xsession-errors of the user
11:02
<jhutchins_lt>
ogra: Ok, where am I going to find that?
11:02
<ogra>
on the server
11:02
<jhutchins_lt>
On the client, on the server, in the chroot?
11:03
Nothing in the auth.log for the current session...
11:03
<ogra>
well, then no ssh connection is attempted, you should see an entry fo rthe user you try
11:04
if you see the user in auth log, ~/.xsession-errors should show if your installed desktop starts properly or if it fails due to any desktop app
11:04
so find out why no ssh connection is tried
11:05
<jhutchins_lt>
Well, that sucks, if I manually enter the username it goes straight to "verifying password" (no password entered), then says "no response from server, restarting, and restarts ldm at the autologin countdown.
11:07
Let's try plain autologin...
11:08
<ogra>
try running ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
11:08
<jhutchins_lt>
plain autologin works.
11:09
<ogra>
so you get to a desktop ?
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<jhutchins_lt>
Yep. Now trying timeout again.
11:13
b0rken on 90.
11:14
I'm going to have to create a menu item to launch a second session if a second user wants to log in.
11:14
I can do that.
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<jhutchins_lt>
Thans for all the help guys! I really appreciate your patience with me.
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<sbalneav>
Eurgh, the sourceforge wiki is sooooooo sloooooooowwww
11:30
<ogra>
set up your own :)
11:30
with a proper and safe wikiengine like moin
11:31
<sbalneav>
No problem, #194730572048753487369741576593745634563846 on my "todo" list.
11:35
<squarepeg>
sbalneav:got a sec?
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<jammcq>
hey homies
11:38
<elias_a>
?
11:38
<squarepeg>
jammcq:!
11:39
<jammcq>
hey chuck
11:39
how's it goin?
11:39
<squarepeg>
pretty good..a server giving me fits..but..thats pretty normanl
11:40
<ogra>
jammcq, hey ...
11:40
<jammcq>
I just saw that Redhat open-sourced SPICE, which is their idea of a RDP type of protocol for delivering virtual desktops to PCs and thin clients
11:40
ogra: howdie
11:40
<ogra>
jammcq, there was some guy ranting about the wiki speed
11:40
<jammcq>
I'm wondering if Warren was working on that project
11:40
oh?
11:40
is it too slow for him?
11:40
<ogra>
jammcq, that scott guy complained ;)
11:41
right before you joined
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
jammcq: i mailed warren a bit ago and haven't heard from him for the first time in awhile
11:43
<Roel_>
how do I easely recompile a kernel
11:43
?
11:43
or at least manually?
11:43
<ogra>
check your distro docs
11:43
ltsp uses distro kernels
11:44
<Roel_>
I did but my distro doesn't have real docs :s (Gentoo)
11:44
I use ltsp_build_client... i don't know how that is for other distro's?
11:45
<ogra>
same thing without compiling ;)
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<Roel_>
so when you want to recomile a kernel with other options.... you just recompile the complete client (or just install binary then for you)
11:46
<ogra>
you dont recompile anything on binary distros :)
11:46
<Roel_>
but when you need a special kernel... you need to recompile no?
11:47
recomile the kernel at least?
11:47
*recompile
11:47
<ogra>
nope
11:47
what would you need ?
11:47
<Roel_>
bump
11:47
I need a kernel that has math emulation in it
11:47
which is quite unusual...
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<ogra>
well, if i would need something in the kernel core (which really doesnt happen) i would download the sourcepackage, apply my patch to the package and rebuild the package and install it
11:48
(install it in the client chroot)
11:49
then i would run ltsp-update-kernels so it gets copied in the right places
11:49
<Roel_>
and what if you need a changed initramfs?
11:49
<ogra>
i chroot into the chroot and run update-initramfs
11:49
and then run ltsp-update-kernels
11:50
<Roel_>
great idea
11:50
didn't know there was a command update-initramfs
11:50
<ogra>
wont work on gentoo i guess :)
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11:50
<Roel_>
let me see if I have that aswell
11:50
<ogra>
not in gentoo
11:50
<Roel_>
na, indeed, don't have
11:50
<ogra>
it was developed by ubuntu ... debian took it, you will onbly find it in these two distros
11:50
<Roel_>
damn I'm stuck again
11:51
<ogra>
i think gentoo focuses on dracut
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<ogra>
vagrantc, !
11:55* vagrantc waves
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i'll be back in portland in the first week of feb. :)
11:56
<rjune>
Hey ogra
11:57
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, i'd best take you out for drinks or some such :)
11:57
<rjune>
another code sprint?
11:57
<ogra>
yeah, distro team sprint
11:57
the typical one right before feature freeze
12:00
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: sneaky way to get other distros :)
12:01
<ogra>
heh
12:05
<dmarkey_>
sbalneav: anyone got any LTSP virtual appliances?
12:05
grr
12:05
sorry sbalneav
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<johnny>
genkernel does initramfs
12:14
stuff
12:14
until we switch to dracut..
12:15
which would be great to have help with..
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<jhutchins_lt>
Anybody know if I can make a pxelinux.cfg menu that will allow me to choose between GUI ltsp and console?
12:52
<johnny>
you'd have to parse the kernel command line..
12:52
in the chroot
12:52
i don't think we have that option in ltsp..
12:52
you can use it to choose between many things..
12:52
but the ltsp bootup must be abel to read the kernel command line to know what to do
12:53
perhaps somebody else in here knows if we already read the kernel command line somewhere?
12:53
i don't remember seeing any such code
12:53
is that something other people would want?
12:53
<jammcq>
yeah, /proc/cmdline
12:54
<johnny>
jammcq, i know it can be done.. and howw
12:54
but do we do it .. and should we
12:54
err.. s/and/or/
12:55
<jammcq>
with pxelinux, you can supply a menu with different kernel cmdlines for each menu choice
12:55
I don't think we need to do it as part of the project. just someone needs to figure it out and document it
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<jhutchins_lt>
jammcq: You're right, pxelinux.cfg/default uses the same format as syslinux, and it's documented in the /usr/share/doc/syslinux/menu.txt file.
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<johnny>
jammcq, we still have to parse it in ltsp
13:01
that's the problem.. we don't expose the SCREEN setting via /proc/cmdline
13:02
just because you know how to set a parmaeter as part of the pxe boot menu, doesn't mean there's anything to act on it..
13:02
jhutchins_lt, we will need to read /proc/cmdline looking for screen_07 or whatever..
13:03
<jhutchins_lt>
johnny: Actually, at that point in the process it's entirely up to pxelinux what happens next.
13:03
<johnny>
and?
13:03
i'm confused
13:03
jhutchins_lt, i'm talkking about still using the same chroot, just choosing which ltsp screen script to use
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<jhutchins_lt>
Ok, text vs. GUI.
13:04
<johnny>
SCREEN_0X=shell , SCREEN_0X=rdesktop
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<jhutchins_lt>
Yeah, would pass different kernel opts.
13:04
<johnny>
how will you tell text vs gui without passing it on the kernel command line or modifying lts.conf ?
13:04
and that's what we don't handle in ltsp init scrits
13:04
that's the part you'd have to write
13:05
<jhutchins_lt>
LABEL softcap
13:05
MENU LABEL Soft Cap ^Linux 9.6.36
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KERNEL softcap-9.6.36.bzi
13:05
APPEND whatever
13:05
Use the APPEND statement.
13:06
If appending something to the kernel line is enough to do the switch, the actual settings that I know of are actually in lts.conf.
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<sbalneav>
dmarkey_: I beleive Gadi's company deals them
13:08
Symbiont
13:08
Who here knows mediawiki? How do I make my external links look prettier?
13:09
[1] isn't doing it for me
13:09
[[http][bla]] syntax?
13:09
Lets see...
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<sbalneav>
ah, got it.
13:17
ok
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<sbalneav>
jhutchins_lt: FYI, I've updated the docs with the information that if LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT is specified, LDM_AUTOLOGIN shouldn't be. As well, I've included a link to the lts.conf.5 manpage.
13:18
<jhutchins_lt>
sbalneav: Excellent! When I get my legs a little better I'll try to help out on the wiki.
13:19
<sbalneav>
For everyone ELSES' information, I've updated the LtspDocumentationUpstream wiki page to also point to the bzr branch for ~ltsp-docwriters
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<dmarkey_>
sbalneav: does he charge?
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<sbalneav>
dmarkey_: Well, yeah, he's got a business selling the things :)
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<dmarkey_>
oh, thats cheeky
14:10
anyone tried kde4 over ltsp
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<tryltsp>
Hello Guys, im using ltsp5 and try configure serial mouse
15:16
ive made the changes in lts.conf, like X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/ttyS0" and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL="microsoft" and get it on the terminal with getltspcfg, but my xorg still try detect the mouse
15:17
my ambient is ubuntu 9.10 + ltps5, some onde could guive me a hand?
15:18
someone?
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<kusznir>
Quick question: is there an easy way to set a MOTD on my terminal server that prints when users log in from thin clients?
15:53
(i.e., a graphical MOTD...probably something like a box that pops up with the message in it that they have to click on OK for, and that won't show up if I don't have a message set)
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<vagrantc>
kusznir: what distro?
15:57
<kusznir>
Sorry...ubuntu 9.04
15:57
<vagrantc>
with debian or ubuntu, you could drop a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
15:58
<tarzeau>
anyone runs ltsp on ppc clients?
15:58
anyone got an ultrasparc?
15:59
<vagrantc>
tarzeau: i got a few ultrasparcs set aside with the thought that *someday* i'll try to get LTSP running on them again
15:59
<tarzeau>
vagrantc: could you get http://cow.ethz.ch/gnustep/GNUSTEP-sparc64-2.0.iso and test it now?
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<vagrantc>
i had it working at one point
15:59
tarzeau: no
16:00
i also always mean to getting around to testing LTSP on powerpc
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<tarzeau>
if i can help?
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<vagrantc>
tarzeau: i don't have access to any of them right
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now
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<tarzeau>
ok, i can test it tomorrow morning i guess
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<ehrenpr>
can anyone tell me what the best way to set up shared home folders on edubuntu might be?
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<sbalneav>
ehrenpr: Shared home folders?
21:22
Or a shared directory that everyone can use?
21:23
<ehrenpr>
what I want to do is have shared home folders that ar linked to a shared directory.
21:25
<sbalneav>
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want the home folders to be available from several different machines?
21:25
If so, then you want to set up an NFS server.
21:25
Did you get your ltsp thin clients set up?
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<ehrenpr>
Yes. they are running sweet now. thanks for all your help. Now I am tweeking. What I want is to have users home directory to be linked to my shared directory on my server. I think its a samba share.
21:28
that way when the save documents on the thin clients all there work is saved in one location rather than in the individual home directories.
21:30
I run an artroom and have all the students in the school. Its not possible to set up user accounts for every student. so instead I have thin clients named after the specific unit. and all the kids share that account.
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<sbalneav>
I would just create a shared area for them to save their work into, and then smb mount it on the thin client server.
21:31
You won't be able to have the full home directory on the samba server
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<ehrenpr>
the problem I have is that openoffice will only allow me to save into the home directory.
21:36
<sbalneav>
No
21:36
We save outside the home directory all the time.
21:36
<ehrenpr>
do you know of any other workarounds?
21:36
<sbalneav>
I have 185 people doing it day in and day out :)
21:37
How are you saving?
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<sbalneav>
evening vagrantc
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<ehrenpr>
I have open office running localy on the chroot?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hey
21:40
<sbalneav>
ehrenpr: Ugh, don't run OpenOffice.org locally. You don't need to.
21:40
It's very low on resources.
21:41
and generates very little cpu, you'd be better off running that on the server.
21:42
<ehrenpr>
ok. However is there any way to sync my local-app firefox profiles?
21:43
<sbalneav>
How do you mean "sync"?
21:43
You mean, make all profiles the same?
21:45
<ehrenpr>
I would like to be able to set up extensions, home pages, etc on one user account and have it apply to all of the others.
21:46
<sbalneav>
You'll want to set up a default user.js in usr/lib/firefox-3.0.x/default/profile
21:46
extentions you install globally with apt-get
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<ehrenpr>
ok I think I now how to do that. let me try that out. Thanks again
21:48
know
21:50
<sbalneav>
np
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<turbodsl>
anybody home?
22:51
<sbalneav>
yes
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<turbodsl>
any idea when the wiki doc pages will be ported over?
22:51
<sbalneav>
Upstream docs are there already.
22:51
!docs
22:51
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
22:52
<turbodsl>
checking
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<sbalneav>
most of the stuff on the old wiki was so hopelessly out of date, I'm hoping it never comes back.
22:54
<turbodsl>
seems like that's the stuff
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<sbalneav>
It's been there since a few days after the wiki moved over.
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<turbodsl>
I dug around on launchpad for a while today looking for source not tied to ubuntu and didn't find any. Is all the current work on ubuntu?
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<sbalneav>
No, currently LTSP runs on Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, and Gentoo's close on their porting efforts.
22:58
The code's simply hosted on launchpad.
22:58
We're always looking for people to port to other distros.
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<turbodsl>
I asked McQuillan last night if the source was available and he said to check out launchpad. I found those, but no generic source. I'm interested in porting to Arch.
22:59
<sbalneav>
Specifically, I'd love to see someone from the RHEL camp step forward.
22:59
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
22:59
<turbodsl>
Sorry, haven't done Redhat since 5.0
23:00
<sbalneav>
under the "branches" header.
23:00
To port to your distro, you'd need to write plugins for ltsp-build-client.
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<turbodsl>
I'll need to study the docs for a while before I get going. My intention is to port into my Arch environment at home then package up for the arch crowd. Dunno how involved the plugins are.
23:02
<sbalneav>
You'll probably need some help from your distro team, as LTSP requires some things be in the initramfs
23:04
<johnny>
turbodsl, i know some arch people..
23:04
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, hi, got tired of hearing how difficult it is to get ltsp on unsupported distribution so decided to write a how to :)
23:04
<johnny>
i'd be able to getyou pointed in the right direction
23:04
it's not hard to get it on an unsupported distro
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<johnny>
it's pretty easy.. if your distro has decent tools
23:05* sbalneav hugs cyberorg
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<turbodsl>
from my little bit of poking around, I just need my initrd to have nbd support? Then just pxe boot the image?
23:06
<johnny>
turbodsl, you don't even need nbd
23:06
it's not required
23:06
debain doesn't support it by default
23:06
and gentoo not at all
23:06
<sbalneav>
yeah, you can use NFS.
23:06
<turbodsl>
sweet
23:06
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, hi :) the howto is "quick and dirty" way of getting ltsp, not the "proper" way
23:06
<johnny>
mostly because on gentoo it's just too much work..
23:06
we have to make them rebuild the kernel and patch it
23:06
which isn't fun
23:07
and i don't wanna maintain a kernel ebuild
23:07
sbalneav, are you familiar with that drdb thing or whatever it is
23:07
the network disk replication thing?
23:08
<turbodsl>
cyberorg, I think i read your howto, just cut and paste from working ltsp on ubuntu right?
23:08
<cyberorg>
johnny, wrote this some time back http://en.opensuse.org/DRBD
23:08
turbodsl, from openSUSE live DVD
23:09
<turbodsl>
sorry, opensuse right.
23:09
<cyberorg>
no cut paste, just tarball/extract
23:09
johnny, that is the working setup i tested
23:09
<sbalneav>
drbl?
23:09
<turbodsl>
what makes that "not right" other than the obvious not being special built for the environment?
23:10
forgive my stupid questions, I'm not a coder by proffession
23:10
<cyberorg>
turbodsl, because it defeats the whole purpose of LTSP5, it is supposed to use distribution tools
23:10
<turbodsl>
and I should preface that question by saying I prefer to do the "rightway" on most stuff
23:15
<cyberorg>
turbodsl, "rightway" can change from project's to users' perspective, right way for me is the way which gets work done, of course should not be illegal by law ;)
23:16
<turbodsl>
indeed. :)
23:16
how about "non-kludgy" :)
23:17
<cyberorg>
just tarballing chroot from working ubuntu/suse to your distro is good start, it at least gets your work done in short term and gives you understanding what is involved that needs modification/adaptations for your distro
23:18
<turbodsl>
Let's say, the proper way is one in which it's not non-standard and does not need authors to fix if needed.
23:19
<cyberorg>
what James mentioned in his post or what is listed here http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Other_Distros is lot less kludgy than what you will get initially hacking away the scripts
23:19
<turbodsl>
With that said, I'm inclined to at least load it up on a test box and see how it works. I have a ubuntu test box sitting around. Never messed with suse.
23:20
<cyberorg>
heh, that is why we have live DVD/USB so it is easier for anyone who do not want to install to test LTSP :)
23:20
<turbodsl>
right. I'm tracking ya
23:21
<cyberorg>
as i mentioned, i started with getting ubuntu tarball in openSUSE, it is as easy
23:22
if you do try it on Arch, add it to the list on our wiki :)
23:22
<turbodsl>
guess I need to d/l the live suse disk then.
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at least to try it out. I'm pretty sure long term I want to package ltsp5 up for the arch guys.
23:26
guess i'll go d/l it and thanks for the tips guys. I'll probably come bug you more later.
23:27
<cyberorg>
johnny, one of reason for using kiwi was that our kernel guys will make it very difficult to get anything in distro kernel/initrd
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<ehrenpr>
anyone around who can help me configure dansgurdian with edubuntu\