IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 August 2011   (all times are UTC)

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00:18
<tl1000s77_>
Has anyone had a problem where they install ltspfs, update the image, and then the thin clients boot but do not show a login screen?
00:40
TheMatrix3000: What kind of bash script are you looking to write?
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01:00
<TheMatrix3000>
any experience bash scripters in the room? or have any suggestions on a channel to join
01:01
<ball>
TheMatrix3000: What's the question?
01:08
<TheMatrix3000>
trying to create a script that does this
01:09
well its unrelated to LTSP so private chat?
01:10
<ball>
There's probably a shell-scripting channel, I just don't know where it is.
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01:35
<petre>
TheMatrix3000, what are you trying to do?
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01:48
<ball>
petre: don't ask ;-)
01:48
petre: ...or just join #awk, where it's all being layed out.
01:48
<petre>
ball, oh, come on,
01:48
<ball>
petre: Suffice to say you're not missing anything ltsp-related
01:49
<petre>
np, I like bash stuff
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06:52
<bakytn>
have you ever experienced problems with USB printers? It's saying that "The Document has been sent for printing" but no actual result i.e. printer is not printing
06:53
HP 1020 and Canon LBP 1120. And I don't know what's the problem
06:53
<alkisg>
Printers on thin clients served with jetpipe, or normal cups printers on ltsp servers?
06:54
<bakytn>
alkisg, to be honest I am not sure! because...I was just adding them as a network printers (they are connected via USB to the thin client deivces)
06:54
I tried with HP 1022N and it worked
06:54
alkisg, how can I check?
06:54
<alkisg>
Do you want to print with localapps or from within the normal thin client session which runs on the server?
06:55
<bakytn>
the latter one
06:55
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
06:55
<ltsp>
alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf.
06:55
<alkisg>
See the section about printers there
06:55
<bakytn>
not form the local apps ok
06:56
I specified the main parameters for printers (PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 PRINTER_0_PORT=9100 PRINTER_0_TYPE=U)
06:57
with a printer with ethernet it worked (even though I didn't connect to the network directly)
06:57
<alkisg>
(09:54:13 πμ) bakytn: I was just adding them as a network printers => what do you mean with that?
06:58
<bakytn>
alkisg, steps: 1) I attach USB printer to the Thin Client device 2) I log in 3) I add the printer as a network printer specifying an IP of the thin client device (what it got from DHCP))
06:59
the thing is that it's not working with ordinary USB printers. But working with printers which have ethernet port in them (but I tried to use them as simple USB printers)
06:59
what is: LDM_PRINTER_LIST ?
07:01
as far as I understood..when you connect USB printer to the thin client device..it becomes a network printer..is that correct?
07:01
so I acted keeping that in mind
07:08
how can I find this page: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers
07:14
<Hyperbyte>
Morning. :)
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07:16
<bakytn>
Hello!
07:16
<Hyperbyte>
:)
07:16
<bakytn>
if I install CUPS to the chroot it means only local apps wuld be able to print?
07:17
<Hyperbyte>
What are you trying to do exactly?
07:17
<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, I just want to get USB printers working.
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07:18
<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, one printer (HP 1022N actually works) fine via USB. But that printer has Ethernet (again, it only has it, I attached via USB only, and it worked)
07:19
Hyperbyte, but for ordinary USB printers not printing (system is telling that "The Document is sent to the printer" but nothing is printing)
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07:19
<bakytn>
Using JetDirect, may be I'm doing something wrong
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07:24
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not too knowledge about that, but I can tell you that local printers are supposed to be turned into jetdirect printers by the LTSP thin client
07:24
These are then configured on the server's CUPS as network printers
07:25
That's how it's supposed to work I think.
07:25
<bakytn>
Hyperbyte, may be just those my three printers are failing to work.
07:25
Hyperbyte, thank you
07:25
<Hyperbyte>
Maybe Alkis has a better answer for you. :)
07:27
<bakytn>
maybe %)
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07:52
<muppis>
bakytn, have you looked does clients with usb printers have jetpipe running?
07:53
<bakytn>
muppis, how can I check? (btw, I checked the 9100 port and it listens)
07:54
I am trying to get new hplip file. Must help
07:54
i think it's actually a driver issue. because 1022n worked...
07:55
so it's not LTPS related :D
07:56
<muppis>
Mostly it is configuration related.
08:00
<bakytn>
most of the time they are USB printers attached directly to the thin client device
08:00
available via /dev/usblp0
08:00
that's it ;(
08:03
is this statement correct: "All printers attached to thin client device, become a network printers, and they don't require different drivers than those, one would use when working with ordinary PC"
08:15
<muppis>
Mostly. Only it forgots to tell about configuration needes in lts.conf
08:16
<bakytn>
what kind of configs besides PRINTER_0_DEVICE PRINTER_0_PORT and PRINTER_0_TYPE?
08:17
<muppis>
That's enough.
08:21
<bakytn>
YES! I just had to upgrade hplip package from 3.11.1 to 3.11.7 (the latest)...HP printers are now working.
08:21
Now I'm returning to my fight vs Canons
08:22
but that's another story :D
08:22
<muppis>
A lot another.
08:22
<bakytn>
yes.
08:22
<muppis>
HP's were always easy for me.
08:23
<bakytn>
TRUE! Till now I always considered Canon printers to be the best. But now I understand how I was wrong.
08:23
HP has really better support for driver for Linux
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone!
13:02
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning mgariepy! :-D
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<highvoltage>
good morning
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<jammcq>
hey hey
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<Blinny>
Good morningig!
13:54
<tl1000s77>
With ltspfs, using rdesktop is there a way for it to mount a local usb thumb drive?
13:56
<Gadi1>
tl1000s77: install ltspfs in the chroot and then set: -r disk:drives=/media/root
13:56
then, you will have a windows drive called drives in which the removable media will appear as folders
13:57
<tl1000s77>
Great, I'll give that a try
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<tl1000s77>
Gadi1: Thanks, that worked! Now only if I could get the sound over rdesktop working it would be the complete package. :-)
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14:39
<alkisg>
!disable_compiz
14:39
<ltsp>
alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
14:39
<alkisg>
40 days uptime, not bad
14:39
<jammcq_>
alkisg: any chance you'll join us at BTS ?
14:40
<alkisg>
jammcq_: I'm patiently waiting for the UDS sponsorship results :-/
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14:40
<jammcq_>
ah, cool
14:40
<alkisg>
Any day now, I hope...
14:40
<markit>
UDS sponsorship? what is UDS?
14:41
<alkisg>
http://uds.ubuntu.com/
14:41
<jammcq_>
Ubuntu Developer Summit
14:41
<alkisg>
"a link is worth a thousand words" - old chinese saying
14:41
:P
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14:49
<markit>
alkisg: since ubuntu is using debian, are you considering having your code in debian ?
14:49
(just in case your UDS is referred to sch-script be inserted in ubuntu repo)
14:50
<alkisg>
Erm, I do want sch-scripts to be in the debian archives some time in the future (probably in the 14.04 time frame), but no, UDS for me isn't related to sch-scripts at all
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15:00
<muppis>
Something I should know about nbd server in Mavericl?
15:03
Doesn't start by default, so is there somewhere conf what I've missed?
15:03
<alkisg>
It should start, it's probably some configuration problem in your setup, not a distro series problem
15:04
So let's get it from the start...
15:04
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
15:04
Whats the output there?
15:04
<muppis>
Nothing.
15:04
<alkisg>
ls /opt/ltsp/images
15:04
There?
15:04
<mistik1>
jammcq_: hola, long time no chat :)
15:05
<muppis>
amd64.img and i386.img, as should be.
15:06
<jammcq_>
hey hey mistik1
15:06
how's it going?
15:06
<alkisg>
muppis: ok, try `sudo ltsp-update-image --force`, that updates inetd too
15:06
<mistik1>
jammcq_: pretty good I must say ;)
15:06
<jammcq_>
cool
15:06
you anywhere near that hurricane?
15:07
hmm, I seem to have a tail
15:07
<muppis>
alkisg, that did the trick. Thanks.
15:07
<mistik1>
nah, Looks like she's gonna miss us
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15:07
<jammcq>
ah, better
15:07
<mistik1>
just a throwing a little rain our way
15:08
last night the sky was a lightshow of lightning
15:09
jammcq: so what's now and exciting these days?
15:09
<jammcq>
hmmm, just organizing bts-2011
15:09
back in maine
15:09
<mistik1>
rats
15:09
<jammcq>
yeah, wish you could be there
15:10
<mistik1>
why not Ocho Rios?
15:10
<jammcq>
ummmm
15:10
we'll have to try that some time
15:10
<mistik1>
would prolly just a cheap as main for most
15:11
<muppis>
My LTSP HTPC boots again. :)
15:11
<mistik1>
Or we could use my aunt's little villa in Montego Bay
15:12
<knipwim>
jammcq: is the BTS agenda open for input?
15:13
<jammcq>
yessir
15:13
it's wide open
15:14
got some ideas?
15:14
<knipwim>
i had some ideas for the wiki
15:15
adding a feature list, with explanation for each one
15:15
and providing a better distro overview
15:15
which versions are included, stable, unstable
15:15
and which features are supported in each one
15:16
basically :)
15:18
i can provide some mediawiki code of this if you like
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15:20
<jammcq>
knipwim: there's talk of switching wiki's. not sure where we'll end up yet. certainly we'll be discussing that in october
15:22* alkisg also likes google sites, it has an online editor with history and supports multiple authors etc, and supports mapping domains with CNAME... :)
15:22
<alkisg>
Easiest documentation method ever
15:23
<Hyperbyte>
Is there any wiki software that doesn't have an online editor with history and multiple authors?
15:24
<jammcq>
alkisg: the problem with google sites is it costs money
15:24
<alkisg>
The sourceforge media wiki
15:24
jammcq: no, it's completely free
15:24
<jammcq>
i'd be happy with google to manage it, if we could do mailing lists too
15:24
only completely free if you are a non-profit
15:24
we aren't officially a non-profit
15:25
<alkisg>
...google apps for your domain, along with google sites, isn't free for business?!
15:25
I thought that's their target audience...
15:25
<jammcq>
noo
15:25
it's $50/user per year
15:25
<alkisg>
I have 4-5 sites on them, but I haven't gone through their EULA
15:25
<mistik1>
google is out of the free business
15:25
<jammcq>
I think you can do free for up to 10 users
15:26
it used to be upto 50 users
15:27
<knipwim>
jammcq: why is there talk of switching wiki's?
15:28
<jammcq>
media wiki is pretty un-user friendly
15:28
we used to use twiki and it was nice and easy
15:28
<alkisg>
http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/terms/standard_terms.html
15:28
I don't see any mention of non-profit there
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<jammcq>
what do you get with the 'free' google apps?
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<alkisg>
The google sites CMS, 2 gb storage, no mention of traffic limits, 10 user accounts for emails etc...
15:32
All that under a cname, e.g. docs.ltsp.org
15:32
<jammcq>
yeah, 10 user is free
15:32
more than that costs money
15:32
<alkisg>
I don't think we need more in the docs team :)
15:32
Anything else can go in the comments
15:32
<jammcq>
no, but i'd like to find something that can handle our mailing list too
15:32
<alkisg>
(each page has a comments section)
15:33
<jammcq>
there's more than 1,000 people on that list
15:33
<Blinny>
Non-profits get the premier edition of apps for no charge.
15:33
<alkisg>
Maybe code.google.com, I don't know, but I don't think there's need to have the wiki on the same host as the mailing list
15:33
<jammcq>
and... i'd want lots of people to be able to edit the wiki
15:33
<Blinny>
(I use it for my non-profit)
15:33
<jammcq>
not just the doc team
15:33
not the same host, but it'd be nice if it was all with the same provider
15:34
<alkisg>
I'm not sure that's good. The ubuntultsp wiki has lots of errors posted by beginners
15:34
I'd prefer them as comments, and integrated by someone in the docs team
15:34
<jammcq>
there's TONs of value in allowing our community to put things on the wiki
15:35
<alkisg>
I don't think we'll ever have more than 10 people willing to write more than 1 wiki page simultaneously :)
15:35
<jammcq>
well... not concurrently
15:35
but they'd need access
15:35
<alkisg>
The accounts can be changed then
15:36
Sure, if >10 users were allowed it'd be easier, but I'd still prefer a docs team rather than an open wiki
15:36
open comments, yes. Open wiki, I don't like it.
15:36
First apply for the docs team, then go ahead and edit whatever you like...
15:37
<jammcq>
ok, what do you do, when the 11th person applies to the docs team?
15:38* alkisg wishes that comes true some day :)
15:38
<alkisg>
But we never had so many concurrent docs writers
15:38
1, sometimes 2...
15:38
<knipwim>
jammcq: the other option is to host a twiki somewhere
15:39
<jammcq>
knipwim: yeah, we did that before. someone else is already offering to host the stuff. I think we'll be talking about this alot at bts
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<knipwim>
nice :)
15:42
<alkisg>
Trusted authors may even use 1 single account, as there's history, nothing gets deleted
15:43
But sure allowing for any number of authors would be better
15:44
<knipwim>
you could have generic accounts, one for each distro
15:44
and accounts for the die-hard doc writers
15:44
<dgroos>
alkisg: hi, returning from fire duty...
15:45
<alkisg>
Hey dgroos
15:46
<dgroos>
I'm sitting down working on the test you requested a couple days ago--sorry it took so long...
15:46
<alkisg>
I tested a bit with -noshm, I couldn't see any difference in vnc speed with a vbox client... but in a lab it would show better
15:46
<dgroos>
You still need it?
15:46
<alkisg>
Yup, it'd be nice to have it
15:46
<dgroos>
good
15:47
I'm looking in my lts.conf and see a couple of things, First, I can't find any -noshm, is that where it goes?
15:47
<alkisg>
First, put LTSP_FATCLIENT=False under [Default] in lts.conf
15:47
Boot all your clients
15:47
<dgroos>
did that.
15:47
OK, still need to boot...
15:47
<alkisg>
Then, sudo gedit /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/schscripts/client/gui.py
15:48
Search for "# TODO: switch to using -autoport" near line 824
15:48
Now, for the two tests:
15:49
1) Without modifying anything in gui.py, start broadcasting mode, and see how fast it goes
15:49
Or run sudo iperf if you prefer
15:49
The teacher needs to be on the server... did you say you have freenx?
15:49
Then, close sch-scripts and start the second test:
15:49
<dgroos>
ah… yes, do have the -noshm in that file.
15:50
<alkisg>
2) Change the next line so that it reads: self.runas_sudo_user(['x11vnc', '-noshm', '-nopw', '-quiet', '-viewonly', '-shared', '-forever',
15:50
Ah
15:50
So the (1) and (2) tests are the opposite, you need to remove -noshm for the second test
15:50
So, we need the teacher to "sit on the server" somehow, and broadcast to thin clients, with or without -noshm
15:50
<dgroos>
And how many clients do you want booted for this test--does it matter?
15:50
<alkisg>
And see if that actually makes a difference. If not, we'll put -noshm in all cases
15:51
10 would be nice, it would allow you to see the result with your own eyes
15:51
<dgroos>
'k
15:51
I'll get back to you...
15:51
<alkisg>
Thanks :)
15:51
Don't forget to restart the sch-scripts gui after the -noshm change
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<alkisg>
dgroos: bbl, if you want post your results here, I'll look at the irc logs
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<dgroos>
alkisg: seeing the lab isn't setup so have been doing that + bbl but will post results here.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi / alkisg: ping?
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<pscheie>
jammcq, ping
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<Hyperbyte>
Everybody! Ping!
17:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
?!?
17:32
I am here!
17:32
<alkisg>
Ping! Pong! King! Kong!
17:32
<Hyperbyte>
Let's ping 'till we pong!
17:48
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: /me just seen the logs, you wanted something/
17:48
?
17:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: yeah. I am using the MIC_VOLUME = xxx lts.conf stuff
17:48
<alkisg>
You want Gadi then :D
17:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
and I am trying to figure out why it only works after I run the following script in xinitrc.d....
17:49
oh.
17:49
okay :P
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<_UsUrPeR_>
OK EVERYONE I GOT IT
18:43
sound=true is REQUIRED for XXX_VOLUME=YYY to work properly
18:43
EVEN THOUGH it should be set by default to sound=true
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<TheMatrix3000>
anyway i can make this http://pastebin.com/PRSDbuK2 a bash script
18:45
that I can run on demand
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<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: that doesn't make any sense.
19:10
the *_VOLUME stuff happens way after the SOUND variable is set, at least with plain LTSP
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<dgroos>
alkisg: I tested with 12 clients. I wasn't able to discern a difference in response times between including and not including the -noshm code.
21:20
I tested moving around a window within the frame. Also ran the phet site natural selection java applet.
21:21
And I did restart sch-scripts between the tests.
21:21
hth :)
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<TheMatrix3000>
what is the gconftool command to reset gconf for everyone
21:38
i have a few users that can't shutdown or logout with the menu
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<TheMatrix3000>
how do i make gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall -u $USER gnome-panel apply to everyone
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<TheMatrix3000>
how do i make gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall -u $USER gnome-panel apply to everyone
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<alkisg>
On every login? Or just once?
22:24
dgroos, if you read the logs, thanks a lot, I'll put the -noshm option for all cases
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: just once
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<alkisg>
Here's an easy way... sudo -i; rm -rf /home/*/.gconf/apps/panel
23:09
Otherwise you need sudo -u user gconftool-2 --direct --config-source... etc
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23:27
<monteslu>
finally really get the big picture of MueKow (yeah, half a decade late, i know)
23:27
I got yum in the ltsp chroot which makes local app installs really easy
23:28
much awesomeness. thanks ltsp developers for doing that stuff
23:31
<vagrantc>
folks call it ltsp5 nowadays :)
23:32* alkisg would like to learn the story behind the "mewcow" name one day...
23:32
<alkisg>
*u
23:32
<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg, that command, when the user logs in it will recreate the panels?
23:33
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: yes
23:33
<monteslu>
ltsp5 sounds so formal, muekow keeps a nod to jammcq :)
23:33
<vagrantc>
alkisg: you'll have to ask jammcq or sbalneav
23:33
<monteslu>
who's the project lead these days?
23:34
<vagrantc>
if i recall correctly, the joke was something between those two along the lines of "longhorn was already taken"
23:34
<TheMatrix3000>
oh longhorn
23:34
<vagrantc>
monteslu: each distro has it's lead, essentially
23:34
<TheMatrix3000>
ha microsofts legendary new server os
23:35
the to later be Server 2003
23:35
lol
23:35
<monteslu>
vagrantc, isnt there still a core upstream package?
23:35
<TheMatrix3000>
oh wait, i ment Windows Vista
23:35
<vagrantc>
monteslu: there are a few upstream bzr branches, and each distro releases a new version when it's useful to them
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<TheMatrix3000>
Windows Vista - Longhorn
23:35
<monteslu>
ahh, ok
23:36
<vagrantc>
overall, it's stabalized a bit... not a lot of huge changes
23:36
<monteslu>
funny thing is now that everything is a webapp ltsp really makes sense. 10 years ago it was a tougher sell
23:37
<vagrantc>
it's still a touch sell, with computers being so cheap and powerful
23:37
that's why a lot of folks have worked with fatclients
23:37
<monteslu>
right, but you can push stuff to local apps easily
23:38
i think it makes more sense than ever
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<vagrantc>
well, good chatting... got to bike off into the sunset
23:38
<alkisg>
Here in schools we still have P3's with 64-256 MB RAM... yeah LTSP makes a lot of sense :)
23:38
BB lonesome cowboy
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<monteslu>
alkisg, mine arent much better. They're ~6 year old thin clients
23:39
Though I think I have half of them on 768MB ram
23:40
tuxpaint and gcompris and stuff like that are definitely gonna run local
23:41* alkisg sets any pc with > 512 RAM to run as fat
23:41
<TheMatrix3000>
why?
23:41
<alkisg>
I don't like maintaining localapps, fat clients seem easier
23:41
<TheMatrix3000>
what makes fat clients easier to maintain
23:42
<alkisg>
E.g. click on firefox, on an .odt file, or on a .pdf... with no openoffice local
23:42
You'll need workarounds and remoteapps to open that on the server
23:42
<monteslu>
true
23:42
or have to teach people to download, save, then open
23:42
<alkisg>
Or, printer sharing... cups just works, I don't see a point in jetdirect when the clients have enough ram
23:43
And of course there's also better performance usually
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<monteslu>
you can push down the whole image as fat with ltsp?
23:44* monteslu has been out of it for a while
23:44
<alkisg>
As a networked disk, yes, NBD in ubuntu, where the client only reads the sectors it needs
23:44
It's pretty fast, e.g. some descent fat clients here start in 12 seconds, while with standalone OS they need 50
23:44
<TheMatrix3000>
but you will need a hard drive right?
23:44
<alkisg>
No
23:45
<monteslu>
alkisg, is it a different chroot than the ltsp one?
23:45
<alkisg>
A networked NBD disk is like booting a client from a USB disk... it's just served via the network from the ltsp server
23:45
monteslu: no, it's the same chroot, and it can even serve thin clients too
23:45
< 300 MB RAM ==> automatically thin client
23:45
<monteslu>
way cool
23:45
must investigate more
23:45
<alkisg>
Or if one sets LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
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!fatclients
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<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients.
23:46
<monteslu>
wicked
23:46
<alkisg>
Of course, thin chroots (compressed) are about 200 MB, while fat chroots are about 1 Gb
23:46
<TheMatrix3000>
do do i need a hard drive alkisg
23:46
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: not on the clients. Only on the ltsp server.
23:47
It's like localapps. Except that everything is a localapp, even the session
23:47
<TheMatrix3000>
so if i have 1GB ram on a system
23:47
and im running localapps right now
23:47
for vlc, firefox, and chrome
23:47
i could actually run more as a Fat Client
23:47
and applications would be faster?
23:47
<alkisg>
Yup. You'd also have gnome-panel, openoffice, etc as localapps now
23:48
It's like using a live cd served from the network
23:48
You only use the server for authentication, /home, and for the root disk (NBD)
23:48
<TheMatrix3000>
so if all my computers are 1GB ram and 2.5ghz processor i should stop running as thin and run as thick
23:49
<alkisg>
I do that, yes. But on some cases, thins are preferred
23:49
E.g. if a bank only wants to run a small app without multimedia at all, there's no need to maintain a fat chroot
23:49
<TheMatrix3000>
oh ok
23:49
oh, and i can't centrally control applications running
23:49
that's no bueno
23:50
<alkisg>
You mean `sudo killall firefox`?
23:50
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
23:50
will that kill all firefox on fat clients
23:50
<alkisg>
You need a controlling app for that, like italc or sch-scripts
23:50
No, it wont. And it won't kill a localapps firefox either
23:50
So it won't work in your case *currently*, as you said you have localapps
23:50
<TheMatrix3000>
i couldn't even get italc to work
23:50
yea, it was an example
23:51
sorry, but some people run openoffice
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and i do have to kill that
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sometimes
23:51
<alkisg>
Yeah that's a thin client advantage, all processes on the server
23:51
<TheMatrix3000>
i i use a kill script to log everyone off at midnight
23:51
<alkisg>
The fat client advantage in this case is that you can have a P3 as the server :D
23:51
<TheMatrix3000>
oh haha
23:51
<alkisg>
No cpu needed at all
23:52
<TheMatrix3000>
i have a quad processor dual core xeon 3.0 server
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8 processors total
23:52
64bit
23:52
and a gigabit backbone
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and 8gb ram
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i think i may be good lol
23:52
<alkisg>
Another advantage of fat clients is that they can run 3d apps
23:52
<TheMatrix3000>
like on 11.0
23:52
the new panels
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etc
23:53
<alkisg>
So if you try glxgears with your huge server, you won't be able to run it at all
23:53
Yes, or google earth etc
23:53
There are pros and cons - evaluate them and decide what's best for you
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