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Channel log from 30 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<ChinaForge>
Hello
00:41
After I install LTSP-5,have a trouble.
00:41
vncviewer can't run.
00:41
Error: couldn't find suitable pixmap format
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Can you help me?
00:43
Hello!
00:49
<sep>
ChinaForge, vncviewer on the terminals ? you installed it inside the chroot with apt-get ?
00:49
i mean outside the chroot
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and does it work on the server ?
00:56
<ChinaForge>
sep,i all along use for ltsp-4.2.
00:57
<iMav>
"Now coming the opposite direction if you are running the vncviewer on the 24bpp display, TightVNC will fail with "Can't cope with 24 bits-per-pixel. Sorry." and RealVNC will fail with "main: Error: couldn't find suitable pixmap format" so evidently you cannot use 24bpp for the vncviewers to work on that X display."
00:57
got that from a web page doing a quick google search. http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/
00:58
So, perhaps color depth has something to do with ti.
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<ChinaForge>
I try 8 bit and 16 bit,false too.
00:59
<iMav>
so 8, 16, 24, and 32 bit all give you the same error?
01:00
<ChinaForge>
yes
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<iMav>
well, that's all I got. :)
01:00
<sep>
ChinaForge, and you did reboot after each time you changed lts.conf right ?
01:00
<ChinaForge>
sep,yes,i reboot.
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<sep>
ChinaForge, i guess i would verify that your X _realy_ used a non24 bpp by looking at the autogenerated x config file. but other then that. i have no idea
01:01
<ChinaForge>
and i not lts.conf,i use default setting.
01:02
<sep>
ChinaForge, if you changed your clients color depth to 8 and 16 bit did you not change that in lts.conf ?
01:03
<ChinaForge>
i use default,nothing setting.
01:05
<sep>
<ChinaForge> I try 8 bit and 16 bit,false too. <. you said that you had tried changing the color depth
01:06
ChinaForge, if your default it 24 then you need to set 16 or 32 or something in the lts.conf , reboot the client and try again.
01:06
<ChinaForge>
o,i see.
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<ChinaForge>
i must setting lts.conf and vncviewer same?
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<sep>
ChinaForge, there is a example lts.conf in $CHROOT/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client (i belive)
01:08
ChinaForge, you dont need to set anything in vncviewer afaik
01:10
<ChinaForge>
i can't find /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client file.
01:13
sep,and i hope update ltsp,i run:sudo chroot /opt/ltsp,but prompt error message:chroot:cannot run command '/bin/bash':No such file or directory,why?
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<sep>
ChinaForge, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 perhaps ?
01:15
look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples
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for the lts.conf example. and copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and edit it.
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<ChinaForge>
sep,chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 is ok,thank you. i search date is old.
01:32
sep,i forget how to update ltsp kernel,i update for apt-get dist-upgrade.
01:35
sep,i find by google, sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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<ChinaForge>
sep,you a right.I copy lts.conf exmple to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ and reboot,vncviewer is ok.
01:56
sep,I think X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 setting is must for vncviewer.
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<Bhaskar>
I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please anyone can help me
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<Bhaskar>
ltspbot, I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please can help me
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<ltspbot>
Bhaskar: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
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<Bhaskar>
ltspbot, ok
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<ltspbot>
Bhaskar: Error: "ok" is not a valid command.
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<Bhaskar>
ltspbot,
04:16
Legenda, I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please anyone can help me
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<Bhaskar>
Anybody is there?
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<iMav>
I think everyone is sleeping. :)
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<Bhaskar>
iMav, ya i think so
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iMav, can u help me about sound problem
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<iMav>
sorry. I have yet to install LTSP. Just interested in doing so. :)
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<Bhaskar>
iMav, its ok,
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
05:51
Hola a todos desde España
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<iMav>
Howdy from Kuwait. :)
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<Bhaskar>
envite, can i shut down client? how
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<Bhaskar>
All guy are sleeping...............haha
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<Bhaskar>
kaminski-ltsp-br, hello
06:10
kaminski-ltsp-br, how can i shut down particular client
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<envite>
Bhaskar:
06:16
ask question again, please
06:17
<Bhaskar>
envite, how can i shutdown terminal
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<envite>
two ways
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<Bhaskar>
envite, how
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<envite>
first way: go to a local shell in the terminal
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Ctrl+Alt+F2
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and write "init 0"
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probably "halt" works too
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second way: just use the button or unplug it
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<cliebow>
bhaskar:fwiw..it is possible to ssh into the client from afar and type halt or reboot
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<Bhaskar>
cliebow, fwaw ?
06:26
cliebow, fwiw is not command
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envite, I have problem on sound, the sound card is detected but can not hear sound why? Please can you help me
06:27
<ogra>
Bhaskar, which ltsp version are you using ? 4.2 or 5 ?
06:28
<Bhaskar>
ogra, 4.2
06:28
ogra, k12ltsp
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<ogra>
if yu type "env" if you are logged in through a client, do you see ESPEAKER being set ?
06:30
<Bhaskar>
ogra, no
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<ogra>
thats your problem then ...
06:31
i'm only working on ltsp5 so i cant help much further, but make sure esd is started on the clietn and this variable is set in the desktop session
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(i thought k12ltsp sets that up automatically like edubuntu)
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<Bhaskar>
ogra, it detected audio driver but not play in server
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ogra, i set: sound =y sound daemon= esd smodule_01=cmpci
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volume=75
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<ogra>
as i said i cant help much more, all that stuff is done quite differently (and automatically) in ltsp5
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<Bhaskar>
ogra, ok
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<ogra>
i'd start by booting a client to cosole and chec if esd is really running and if the module is loaded etc etc
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<Bhaskar>
envite, can u tell me?
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<ogra>
beyond that your session needs the EASPEAKER variable set right
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<Bhaskar>
ogra, no such
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<mhterres>
hello everybody
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:45
vagrantc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:45
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hi!
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<ogra>
!sbalneav
08:54
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:55
<ogra>
hey
08:55
<sbalneav>
Hey Ogra!
08:55
Got my invite to UES/UDS
08:55
Work says "of course you can go", so what's spanish for "beer"?
08:55
<ogra>
vagrantc, can you tell me any reason why we add the loopback interface during boot to /e/n/i ? instead of ltsp-build-client doing it ?
08:55
sbalneav, YAY
08:56
sbalneav, meat is "carne" i think :)
08:56
and beer shoud be cerveza
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<Blinny>
sbalneav: Cervesa!
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:s;z
08:56
<ogra>
might be right with s :)
08:56
<-- not speaking spanish :)
08:57
<sbalneav>
ogra: I figured out the USB sound thing, the "problem" is in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
08:57
<ogra>
yeah, saw your comment in my backlog
08:57
<sbalneav>
ah, good.
08:57
I don't know if that's a bug or not.
08:57
<ogra>
trying to find out about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/97456
08:57
<sbalneav>
I've been testing everything else, it all seems fine except for:
08:58
NETWORK MANGLER
08:58
<ogra>
its really time for a new profiling session in spain
08:58
yeah
08:58
da evil
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<vagrantc>
ogra: because that's the way it's always been done? :)
08:58
<ogra>
Mithrandir promised to have it fixed before next thursday
08:58
vagrantc, but you dont see any particular reason either for it, do you ?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: not really ... but there's this intuitive hunch that suggests theres a reason...
08:59
<ogra>
i have the problem that lo doesnt come up during the client boot, simply because 02loopback runs before 32ltsp-client-setup
08:59* vagrantc thinks it over during breakfast
09:00
<ogra>
i change it to be a ltsp-buid-client plugin in Ubuntu for now ... but i think it can be a common one
09:02* ogra is also hacking on a tkinter based "low ressources mode" for ldm
09:03* vagrantc cringers
09:03* vagrantc cringes
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<ogra>
why else do we have a greeters dir ... it would be called greeter if there was only one :)
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<ogra>
the slowness in ldm comes only from the greeter loading half of gnome
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and jammcq managed to make it take over 2 min to come up in the above bug
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(2min only for ldm)
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<sbalneav>
What we really need to do is re-write LDM as a C application.
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<ogra>
nah
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just withut gtk
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*without
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the first version witout themeing was extremly snappy
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the probem are the pimap loaders for gdk ... they are loaded all at once ... even though we only need png support atm
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*pixmap
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rewiting it in C/GTK wouldnt solve it
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<ogra>
sbalneav, but feel free, the slow part is really only the greeter ... anything that throws out an array [user, pass, locale, session] will work as greeter, so rewrite it in plain xlib if you like :)
09:13
<sbalneav>
Hmm, Could we re-use the gdm greeter, I wonder....
09:13
<ogra>
probably ... at least patched
09:14
<sbalneav>
Since it's a separate part from gdm.
09:14
<ogra>
you need that above output format
09:14
<sbalneav>
Might be handy. Lets look at it in Espania
09:14
<ogra>
and using a wrapper would slow down again, so you need to patch it
09:14
im not really keen on C
09:14
its way to error prone ...
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<Blinny>
Bah.
09:15
<ogra>
the greeter is the most dangerous part we have security wise
09:15
<Blinny>
Lower level languages simply require more diligence.
09:15
<ogra>
so i'd like to keep it in python if possible to exclude the buffer overflow hell
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and to make it easier for people to contribute
09:16
<sbalneav>
ogra: Wonder if we could use the python-x11 bindings and do something simple with xlib.
09:16
<ogra>
but i wont refuse patches if anyone wants to do the C gui ;)
09:16
yeah
09:16
<sbalneav>
means brining in more stuff from universe :(
09:16
<ogra>
i thought about python-x11 and rsvg ...
09:17
if we had tk 8.5 i'd even opt for plain tkinter
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<ogra>
all we need from a toolkit is an entry field and some buttons ...
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<sbalneav>
You'd handle the background with just a big image?
09:18
<ogra>
as long as they are themeable with pictures any toolkit would do ... my current simple tkinter test greeter here takes 9k
09:19
well, if you have rsvg you can have a bg color and a half transparent something on top
09:20
right, i'D handle the background wither as window bg color or with a big image ... gdm does the same
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*either
09:21
preferably with an svg ....
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i also just added a --copy-sourceslist plugin to l-b-c to reuse the servers sources.list
09:27
i'm cnsidering the same for /etc/hosts and resolv.conf
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--recycle-resolver or something :)
09:27
<vagrantc>
hmmm...
09:28
sometimes /etc/hosts contains localhost information that wouldn't be copyable
09:28
<ogra>
another thing i have a bug open about is http_proxy ... seems chroot doesnt set that ...
09:28
<vagrantc>
no.
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<ogra>
so the install fails on proxied systems ... but fixing it would mean to prefix any chroot call :/
09:29
<vagrantc>
you could just export http_proxy
09:29
do it once, and then it's good.
09:29
<ogra>
generally ? hmm ...
09:29
roght
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*right
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<vagrantc>
and have a hook that grabs http_proxy and generates an /etc/apt/conf.d/ snippet that configures the proxy for apt ...
09:30
but that could also sometimes pull in inappropriate info
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<ogra>
better than failing generally behind proxies
09:31
i'm not after setting it in the chroot, but after having ltsp-build-client finish properly
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<vagrantc>
i's a corner case, for sure.
09:31
<ogra>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
but i just hate introducing corner cases that have no workaround.
09:32
<ogra>
i'm just going through the easily achievable whishlist bugs i have
09:32
<vagrantc>
sure
09:32
<ogra>
ubuntu is in beta freeze, so i cant do big changes
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<cliebow__>
moquist:nelinux.net is very unclear about unh conference....So say i could come to unh how would i register?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: stratus was wondering if you could take a look at and/or comment on http://bugs.debian.org/416692
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<ogra>
i saw it already
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<vagrantc>
ogra: it's about GNOME/ltspfs patches for the multiple icons and such
10:12
oh, ok...
10:12
<ogra>
oh, no i didnt
10:12
i thought it was the usbfloppy stuff
10:12
we have patches for that in ubuntu everywhere
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<vagrantc>
heh.
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<ogra>
nautilus, gnomevfs and gnome-power-manager are patched
10:13
heh, i think thats the ubuntu patch
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would be great if debian would maintain them ;)
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<vagrantc>
sounds like one of the patches was accepted
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<ogra>
oh
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<vagrantc>
but the other not so
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<ogra>
the 22 one is applied upstream
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since gnome 2.16 at least
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<ogra>
vagrantc, hmm, i wonder why the 23_ignore_ltspfs_volumes.patch is necessary at all
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<vagrantc>
you'd think the ignore inaccessable volumes would be sufficient
10:20
<ogra>
no, i just see its applied to our source directly and not as dpatch
10:20
<vagrantc>
were we still at an impasse regarding not mounting things to /tmp and skipping the whole bind-mount idea?
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<ogra>
i know it was needed once
10:21
i want virtual hal devices on the session side at some point
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<vagrantc>
ooooh.
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<ogra>
but that will require a lot of hacking first
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<vagrantc>
indeed.
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<ogra>
but its possible to cheat hal and crate non existing devices ... you will just need to forward them with the right parameters
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and make hal think its a disk/floppy/cdrom etc
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<vagrantc>
probably less hackful than we're doing now
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as long as you can still access it as a regular filesystem, too.
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<ogra>
well, mov mounting would already be a big improvemet
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*move
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<vagrantc>
yes.
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<ogra>
hmm, you wont be able fromcommandline i think
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<vagrantc>
i think it would require something suid
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<ogra>
we have lbmount
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<vagrantc>
no access from commandline? heresay!
10:27
<ogra>
specifically for the bindmount
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<vagrantc>
so it's already suid?
10:27
<ogra>
yes
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<vagrantc>
so we'd just have to run a different part suid and skip the bind mout, then?
10:27
etch appears to be in hard freeze... time to start doing big changes again :)
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<ogra>
just use the same code but change bind to move :)
10:29
so we skip the /tmp crap
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and move it directly to /media
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<vagrantc>
why does it even need to be moved ? why not just mount directly to /media ?
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10:30* vagrantc feels like we've had this conversation at least twice before
10:30* vagrantc pokes sbalneav
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<ogra>
vagrantc, because it doesnt work as ltspfs mount
10:31
<sbalneav>
peek, poke.
10:31
<ogra>
(you just pointed me to the patch to ignore all ltspfs mounts ;) )
10:31
<sbalneav>
The issue was, fuse mounts need the mount dir to be owned by the user.
10:32
<ogra>
right
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<vagrantc>
ah.
10:32
<sbalneav>
Which means creating the dir in media must be owned by the user
10:32
<ogra>
which we probably could do as well ... :)
10:32
<vagrantc>
and that shouldn't be done with an suid program?
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<sbalneav>
Which means the user now basically has a second home dir in /media to store files.
10:33
<ogra>
ah, right, there was a security issue
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<sbalneav>
I'm looking at doing it with dbus now, to eliminate the setuid part.
10:33
<vagrantc>
good.
10:33
<sbalneav>
since I *really* don't like being responsible for a setuid program.
10:33
<ogra>
sbalneav, please check that it will work with consolekit
10:33
<vagrantc>
don't forget commandline users :)
10:33
<sbalneav>
yep yep.
10:33
<ogra>
dbus will change drastically
10:34
<sbalneav>
wha?
10:34
dbus is changing?
10:34* sbalneav rolls eyes
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<ogra>
well, it all will rely on consolekit in the future
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hal, dbus, gdm
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gnome-session
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etc etc
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<sbalneav>
I just figured it out a few weeks ago :)
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<ogra>
i fear ldm as well :/
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<sbalneav>
What's consolekit?
10:34
linky please kthxbye
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<ogra>
it sets up "seats"
10:34* vagrantc smells some ugly forking going on
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<ogra>
instead of sessions ... so hal can bind to a specific session .. dbus as well
10:35
its the new base of guessing the display etc
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<sbalneav>
Got any info on this?
10:35
<ogra>
it has no homepage, its created by the hal people
10:35
<sbalneav>
lol
10:36
<ogra>
there must be something on the freedesktop page ... i only get the mailing list mails
10:36
<sbalneav>
"It's the new standard! That's not written down anywhere!"
10:36
<vagrantc>
makes updating the docs easy.
10:36
<ogra>
well, they just cretaed a pam module, so we probably can leave the caretaking to ssh with ldm ;:)
10:36* sbalneav 's eyes roll back into his head
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<vagrantc>
ogra: ssh and pam don't always play well together
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ogra: if the pam module requires root, it won't work with ssh
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<ogra>
http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=ConsoleKit.git;a=summary
10:37
sbalneav, ^^
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vagrantc, i think they are testing that stuff :)
10:37
at least the ML seems like that
10:38
<vagrantc>
well good.
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<ogra>
still ...
10:38
it reinvents $DISPLAY
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which is odd imho
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<vagrantc>
!@$#%!#$
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "@$#%!#$" is not a valid command.
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<ogra>
What is a seat?
10:39
===============
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A seat is a collection of sessions and a set of hardware (usually at
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least a keyboard and mouse). Only one session may be active on a
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seat at a time.
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from the sources README
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot': learn @$#%!#$ as grrrrr what ?! huh ?!?
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<ogra>
heh
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<vagrantc>
uh-oh.
10:40
maybe i killed it
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot`: status
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot`.
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<vagrantc>
!tarball
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: factoids --search values
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
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<vagrantc>
!topic
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
10:41
<vagrantc>
!topics
10:41
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
10:41
<vagrantc>
odd.
10:41
oh
10:42
ltspbot`: factoids search --values
10:42
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
10:42
<ogra>
1 more message ?
10:43* vagrantc wonders if we can agree that grey is spelled with an e
10:43* vagrantc knows it's futile
10:43* ogra dosnt care
10:43
<ogra>
doesn't either
10:44
<jammcq>
:)
10:44
<ogra>
jammcq, !!!!
10:44
<jammcq>
ho
10:44
<ogra>
when did you secretly join ?
10:44* ogra didnt notice
10:45
<ogra>
jammcq, i'm trying to throw a second greeter togetther in tkinter ... that should work for extremely low specced clients
10:46
su setting REDUCED_RESSOURCES=True should switch to the tk greeter instead of the gtk one
10:46
s/su/so/
10:46
<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, got my brazil visa today :)
10:47
<ogra>
or LDM_REDUCED_RESSOURCES or something
10:47
<jammcq>
ogra: COOL
10:47
<sbalneav>
jammcq: Cool. Got mine back two days ago.
10:47
<jammcq>
so, we're all set :)
10:48
<ogra>
jammcq, also why did you use the -generic kernel config as a base for your selfmade ltsp kernel ?
10:48
we use -i386 in ltsp :)
10:48
<jammcq>
ogra: i've been watching the bootup of that workstation, and i've found several slow spots. unfortunately, no time right now to get in depth with it
10:48
ogra: what config SHOULD I use?
10:48
<ogra>
what i also noticed was that you compile nfs statically into the kernel
10:48* vagrantc suspects -generic sounds ... "generic"
10:48
<ogra>
jammcq, -386
10:48
<jammcq>
hmm
10:49
what's the difference?
10:49
<ogra>
i wonder if the nfs error is caused by that ...
10:49
<jammcq>
what nfs error?
10:49
<ogra>
well, things like M586=y :)
10:49
the nfs error in your syslog
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10:49
<jammcq>
but that was from the UBUNTU compiled kernel
10:49
<ogra>
the ubuntu kernel has it, the ltsp one hasnt
10:49
<jammcq>
not from MY compiled kernel
10:49
<ogra>
yes
10:50
i wasnt saying your kernel has it :)
10:50
<jammcq>
oh
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10:50* jammcq is in the middle of 4 conversations right now
10:50
<ogra>
i just noticed you have it compiled in while we havent
10:50
<jammcq>
oh, i've got it static, you have it modularized
10:50
<ogra>
and was wondering if thats the reason for the error in the ubuntu syslog
10:50
<jammcq>
hmm
10:50
<ogra>
and if so ... why
10:50
i mean its the same kernel source
10:51
with only one difference in the nfs area
10:51
<jammcq>
I tried taking the standard Ubuntu kernel, and using my ltsp_kernel_kit build script to build the initramfs. it boots the kernel fine, but fails on the dhcp request
11:00
<vagrantc>
doesn't ltsp_kernel_kit build an initramfs that supports a different set of boot options?
11:06
<ogra>
well, it doesnt build an ubuntu initramfs ...
11:07
ogra@edubuntu:~$ ls /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/
11:07
brltty console_tools kernelextras lvm2 thermal usplash
11:07
console_setup evms lvm mdadm udev
11:07
all these would be missing and break the system
11:07
at least for parts of them
11:08
the ting is also rather the kernel than the initramfs
11:08
somehow the ltsp built one boots in 12 seconds where the ubuntu one needs 48
11:08
<jammcq>
it would break the LTSP-5 system, I was trying to use an Ubuntu kernel for LTSP-4.2
11:08
<ogra>
right
11:08
but the target is to fix 5 no ?
11:08
<jammcq>
I don't think there's anything special about the Ubuntu kernel that shouldn't work in 4.2
11:09
<ogra>
no
11:09
<jammcq>
yes, the target is definately to fix 5
11:09
<ogra>
but the other way around it will break
11:09
<jammcq>
i'm just trying to rule out some kernel goofyness
11:09
<ogra>
well, the statically builtin nfs is quite significant imho
11:09
<jammcq>
like if the ubuntu kernel is generally slow on the SiS chipset, while the ltsp-4.2 kernel is fast, we have something we can look closer at
11:09
<vagrantc>
well, initramfs-tools might actually be a slow point
11:10
<ogra>
f i find the time to build a kernel i'll try it with just that one change here on the weekend
11:10
<jammcq>
vagrantc: if it were initramfs-tools, then the Ubuntu kernel should be FAST with a LTSP-4.2 initramfs
11:10
but sadly, i'm having a problem getting past the dhcp request
11:10
<ogra>
vagrantc, what has initramfs-tools to do with booting?
11:14
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, unless i'm mistaken, its the first part in the boot process after the kernel is loaded ... ? :P
11:14
<ogra>
vagrantc, initramfs*-tools* ?!?
11:15* vagrantc is a little confused at what exactly is being talked about
11:15
<ogra>
the initramfs
11:15
but not the tools creating it
11:15
and its speed during unpacking through the kernel
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<vagrantc>
the, the point at which it seems to be slow is ... exactly when the initramfs is getting loaded?
11:17
<ogra>
no
11:17
https://launchpad.net/bugs/97456
11:18
see the attachments
11:18
<vagrantc>
thanks
11:22
<moquist>
hey...somebody
11:22
cliebow: hi!
11:22
cliebow: you can't register for UNH yet...but we're working on it!
11:22
<vagrantc>
"Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware" what's that about?
11:30
does the ubuntu kernel support xen out of the box?
11:31
jammcq: have you tried booting the e2300 with a default debian/etch ltsp ?
11:31
jammcq: to get a similar timing comparison?
11:31
<jammcq>
nope
11:31
but I could pretty easily
11:32
<vagrantc>
although, it won't leave all those nice NN.NNNNN markers, i don't htink
11:37
<jammcq>
ok, guys, this is wacky
11:37
Ubuntu LTSP takes 4:45 to boot this thin client. Debian takes 1:58
11:37
what does that tell us?
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11:43* vagrantc smiles
11:43
<vagrantc>
debian's not so bad? :)
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<jammcq>
well, I'll let you guys ponder that, while I go get some lunch
11:44* vagrantc suspects something weird with xen
11:45
<jammcq>
lemme check the logout/log-back-in time
11:45
<irule>
I just set a nice topic in ltsp-es :)
11:46
is there a nice ltsped xen, vmware, quemu or any other ltsp server online?
11:49
<jammcq>
vagrantc: check this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootSpeedeBox2300
11:49
i'm heading to lunch
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<blinky_ghost>
hello, I'm trying ltsp5 and notice that it's way much slower booting than ltsp-4.2. Can anybody explain me why?
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<vagrantc>
blinky_ghost: there are lots of reasons.
13:06
blinky_ghost: the main reasons are that the display manager is kind of slow to start, and encrypts all connections to the server.
13:07
blinky_ghost: it's being worked on
13:07
it was actually an active topic of discussion earlier today
13:09
<blinky_ghost>
vangrantc, it's slow when it starts with "setting ltsp client..."
13:09
<vagrantc>
blinky_ghost: which distro?
13:09
<blinky_ghost>
ubuntu 6.10
13:17
so it's being worked on, but I have another problem, when i open a startx session to my server, the keyboard doesn't work, in ldm works fine
13:19
<vagrantc>
blinky_ghost: did you set SCREEN_00=startx ?
13:19
blinky_ghost: or which SCREEN_?? did you use ?
13:19
<blinky_ghost>
no, SCREEN_01
13:23
<vagrantc>
there's probably something else running on SCREEN_01 by default.
13:23
boot without and SCREEN_?? options set, and see which tty's are available.
13:23
and then select one that is free.
13:23* vagrantc wonders where this should be documented ...
13:24
<blinky_ghost>
vangrantc, thanks I'll try that
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<irule>
Package libnewt0.52 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
13:27
sorry
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<cliebow_>
moquist: you heard anyuthing from christopher johnston?
13:40
<moquist>
cliebow_: not recently.
13:43* kaminski-ltsp-br is away: weekend
13:46
<edgarin>
cliebow, como estas?
13:49
<cliebow_>
Hola
13:49
<edgarin>
:)
13:49
<cliebow_>
moquist: i got bumped off a while ago..did you respond to question about unh session?
13:53
<moquist>
cliebow_: Registration for UNH isn't open yet; we're waiting on contractual foo to get cleared away.
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<cliebow_>
Cost? 500 or so?
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<toddobryan_>
I'm having a transparency problem. When I run a program on the server, the alpha channel works correctly, but on the clients I get white where it should be transparent.
16:06
Ubuntu 6.10 with all updates + LTSP 5
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<toddobryan_>
Come on. No one's really bored and masochistic and wants to take a shot at solving a video problem? :-)
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<Gadi>
ok
16:23
sorry
16:23
wrong screen
16:24
<cliebow>
gadi:it is ok..
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<vlt|l>
Hello. I compiled hplip 1.7.3 in /opt/ltsp/i386 to support my HPLaserjet printer *on the client*. When I run `/etc/init.d/hplip start` there I get "[OK]" but syslog says "hpiod: unable to bind socket 2208: Cannot assign requested address". I tried to use this port 2208 manually with `netcat` and suceeded. What could be hplip's problem here?
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<vagrantc>
stillflame: welcome :)
17:01
<stillflame>
vagrantc: thanks
17:02
vagrantc: should i post my problem here again?
17:02
<vagrantc>
stillflame: please do
17:02
ltspbot: factoids search --values
17:02
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'j', 'j', (1 more message)
17:03
<vagrantc>
!ogra
17:03
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ogra" is ogra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:03
<vagrantc>
there must be a tftp page on the wiki
17:04
<cliebow>
on wiki.ltsp.or
17:04
g
17:04
<vagrantc>
cliebow: yeah, that's what i was thinking... :P
17:05
<stillflame>
okay - i have a seemingly well configured server (debian etch w/ ltsp-server), /etc/exports points to /opt/ltsp/, /etc/default/tftp-hba points to /var/lib/tftpboot/, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf serves appropriate root and filename options.
17:06
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn troubleshooting as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
17:06
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
17:06
<stillflame>
the terminal has onboard pxe-enabled nic, loads pxelinux.0, but then takes 20 minutes on each of the truncated mac address-named pxelinux.cfg/* files that don't exist.
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<vagrantc>
stillflame: and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default exists?
17:08
well... it's takig too long to get those other files...
17:08
so it hasn't even gotten that far
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<vagrantc>
stillflame: messages in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/* about tftp requests ?
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<stillflame>
vagrantc: yeah
17:12
no log messages, so i don't think tftp requests are being heard.
17:12
<vagrantc>
perplexing...
17:12
<cliebow>
sure you have a tftp server that cooperates?
17:12
<jammcq>
if it's looking for the config file, with the mac addresses as part of the name, he's already grabbed pxelinux.0, so you know that tftpd is working
17:13
<stillflame>
cliebow: no, but there's only two lines in the config file, and they look right.
17:13* jammcq wonders if he has a 'next-server' entry in his dhcpd.conf file
17:13
<stillflame>
jammcq: right - and it notices if i move pxelinux.0 away.
17:13
hmm...
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<jammcq>
hmm
17:13
ok, I gotta run. good luck with that
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<stillflame>
jammcq: i don't!
17:14
<vagrantc>
ah yes, dhcp3-server requires next-server, which is annoying as hell.
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17:25
<toddobryan_>
I'm having a transparency problem. When I run a program on the server, the alpha channel works correctly, but on the clients I get white where it should be transparent.
17:25
Ubuntu 6.10 with all updates + LTSP 5
17:26
Is there any way to see if the problem is with the program I'm running or with the video settings of the clients?
17:40
<vagrantc>
stillflame: any luck with the ftp problems?
17:40
stillflame: tftp ..
17:43
<stillflame>
vagrantc: oh, yeah, that much works now. do you want me to file a bug for an addition to doc/examples/dhcpd.conf ?
17:46
<vagrantc>
stillflame: please do, else we'll forget it
17:46
stillflame: though that's been on my todo list for a while, i keep forgetting about it
18:02
<stillflame>
submitted.
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<vagrantc>
stillflame: what, no eample line :P
18:09
example
18:11
<stillflame>
and now that we have it getting a kernel without trouble, either NetworkManager or avahi-daemon (mDNS?) seems to be killing my connection and inducing a persistant 'nfs: server not responding'
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<jammcq>
howdie
18:12
<stillflame>
g'day.
18:13
<vagrantc>
stillflame: networkmanager? avahi-daemon? you trying the workstation install?
18:14* vagrantc would blame networkmanager first
18:14
<vagrantc>
!debian
18:14
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: facoids search *ltsp*
18:20
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "facoids" is not a valid command.
18:20
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search *ltsp*
18:20
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ltsp42', 'bestltspdistro', and 'ltsp5'
18:23
<stillflame>
vagrantc: what do you mean by 'workstation install'? i haven't really touched the chroot since i did the ltsp-build-client, i don't think.
18:25
<vagrantc>
stillflame: where is networkmanager or avahi running?
18:25
stillflame: because i've never seen them come in on a default install of ltsp
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<stillflame>
vagrantc: they're coming up on the diskless terminal: "Starting network connection manager: ..."
18:36
<vagrantc>
stillflame: how big is the chroot?
18:37
<stillflame>
vagrantc: 2.0GB
18:37
(says du -sh)
18:39
<vagrantc>
stillflame: well, a default install is less than 500MB ... sooooo... somewhere, somehow, someway, extra stuff got pulled in :P
18:40
stillflame: probably easier to re-build than to remove all the extra junk.
18:45
stillflame: i think we were experimenting with running everythng locally last time we worked on that
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<stillflame>
vagrantc: okay.
19:10
all it needs is for a window manager is something to make sure firefox is always running.
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<cliebow>
Holy: 2 gig on a chroot.?not that it would necessarily make a diff..
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<cliebow>
143701708 is my ppc chroot
19:26
141049746 is my i386 ..both as a tar.gz
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19:48
<stillflame>
okay, fresh build-client boots to...
19:48
X. yay!
19:59
with only 433MB used.
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<stillflame>
next i need to get the login that comes up to run a local firefox. anything in the wiki on running local apps?
20:24
ah, LocalApps
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<stillflame>
*rar* that's for version 4.
21:01
<cliebow>
PERHAPS OGRA CAN FILL YOU IN...
21:01
SORRY
21:02
sory
21:02
<stillflame>
heh
21:02
<cliebow>
dark in here..
21:02
<jammcq>
and scary
21:02
<stillflame>
so, uh... any docs on setting up local apps on ltsp5?
21:03
<jammcq>
not yet
21:03
we'll be focusing on that in May, at the next Ubuntu summit
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<stillflame>
:-/
21:03
okay, i'll play with it by hand and see i can do
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<vagrantc_>
stillflame: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation
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