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Channel log from 2 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<edoardo>
You guys, anyone can help me out with Printers and kiwi-ltsp?
08:00
Basically I configured ltsp.conf to support two printers on a specific MAC address, but though both printers are connected and turned on, I only get /dev/lp0, not /dev/lp1
08:00
Furthermore, hp-info -pPrinterName returns "Error opening device"
08:00
and hp-makeuri IPAddress returns "no device found"
08:01
Any ideas on the matter?
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<edoardo>
In fact, this is to find a scanner. I don't seem to be finding alotta documentation on finding a scanner on KIWI-Ltsp. Any pointers?
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<tostado>
hi
09:56
Nubae: are you there ?
09:57
i have a question concerning the fat clients setup, but maybe its a ltsp general problem
09:58
i need to change files on the clients, and if a change i.e. /opt/ltsp/amd64fat/root, the client doesn't recognize this change
09:58
only after a reboot
09:58
is this a known issue ?
09:58
btw.: right now the clients mount there rootdir via nfs
09:59
<Nubae>
not sure what u mean exactly
10:00
tostado: u using intrepid or hardy? and why are u not mounting root via nbd?
10:01
<tostado>
intrepid
10:02
well i need to configure the clients, if i do a change in the client configs, i need to build the client image each time with nbd, or not ?
10:03
or am i completely on a wrong track ?
10:04
when i use nbd, and a client have booted, and i change /opt/ltsp/amd64fat/root/whatever, will the client recognize the change ?
10:04
right now (with nfs) it doesn't
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<Nubae>
sure
10:05
so u are using nfs so u dont have to rebuild all the time?
10:05
but the changes u make u must do with chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64fat
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<tostado>
ah ok
10:06
i'll try
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<Nubae>
otherwise indeed, neither nfs nor nbd will write the changes if done on the thin client directly
10:06
remember its just /home that changes
10:07
because thats mounted via read-write nfs
10:07
so the terminals are loading up correctly in fat client mode?
10:08
<tostado>
hmm, i need to change i.e. /usr/local/bin/somescript
10:08
yes, everthing else works now
10:08
<Nubae>
ah good to know... I like feedback :-)
10:08
Im not sure who or if anyone else other than me runs fatclients
10:08
<tostado>
how do you change /usr/local/bin/somescript so the client recognizes it realtime ?
10:08
<Nubae>
even though I get lots of questions
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<Nubae>
u'd have to mount /usr/local/bin/ via nfs read write
10:09
but... really the best way is to make your changes in the chroot
10:10
the whole point of this system is its controlled from the server
10:10
the client is still just a terminal
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<tostado>
ok, i'll mount it via nfs rw
10:11
because if i do chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64fat/
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and then touch /usr/local/bin/foo the client doesnt see it
10:11
<Nubae>
sure it does, it must
10:11
<tostado>
no
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<Nubae>
are u rebuilding the image after though?
10:12
<tostado>
well right now not, i would get totally crazy if i rebuild a image after changing a script... i'm in developing phase....
10:13
right now i know i have to rebuild it, so the solution to mount /usr/local via nfs is the best one
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<Nubae>
ok :-) well wait
10:14
test to see if when u chroot to amd64fat and then put a file there
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then exit
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and go back in, if its still there
10:14
also remember permissions
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but otherwise just mount the entire chroot read write for now
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<tostado>
in the chroot yes, but the client needs to see the change immidiatly
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and right now it doesn't
10:15
i'm not sure if you understand me right....
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<Nubae>
yeah I understand
10:16
but rw nfs should do that, unless everything is stored in memory... its been a while since I used nfs
10:16
I always use nbd
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<tostado>
so am i right that for this problem the solution is a direct nfs mount on /usr/local ?
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<Nubae>
cant u test the script from iwthin the chroot?
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<tostado>
well the scripts do a xserver start and so on
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<Nubae>
ok.. then do this
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<tostado>
?
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<Nubae>
use the ldm variables
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tftpboot is always seen
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so u can add the script to the chroot
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<tostado>
sorry i didn't get you ?
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<Nubae>
and then do RCFILE_00=/path/to/script
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add that to lts.conf
10:19
ah wait... u want it executed when?
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<tostado>
remotely from the server, somewhen
10:20
the problem is, i test a script /usr/local/bin/test, and i dont want to reboot the client evertime i change it
10:20
so when the only solution is nfs mount of /usr/local, im fine with this
10:21
<Nubae>
yeah I know.. you cant get around that if the image is in memory, which I believe it is
10:21
cant u put the script into .xsession?
10:21
then u just have to do alt+cntrl+backspace and log back in to execute
10:23
and if its just for testing, why dont u make all the changes on the client, testing all the while, and then scp it across to the server when it all works
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<tostado>
hmmm... the last proposal seems good
10:25
because i dont have one script, i have /usr/local/bin, ../lib, ../etc.. and so one
10:30
and there is no other way to tell a client "hey, theres a change at /usr/local/bin on the server, look what have changed" ?
10:30
like a "sync" or something ?
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<Nubae>
maybe
10:31
i dunno, u can try switching async to sync in the nfs share
10:31
but to be honest the method I mentioned is the way I use
10:31
when customising the chroot
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that way if u screw up, u dont loose all your work ;-)
10:32
<tostado>
what method ? test on the client and scp to the server ?
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<Nubae>
yeah
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<tostado>
where can i try switching async to sync ?
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<Nubae>
in /etc/exports
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<tostado>
i test that
10:41
no, that didnt make a difference
10:43
<wwx>
inotify?
10:46
<edoardo>
You guys
10:47
Did anyone manage to get a USB scanner, working in an LTSP environment? Attached to the client, I mean.
10:48
My client USB printers work fine, they're HP and USB, but they're scanners, too, and saned ain't seeming to recognize them. I tried hp-makeuri IPAddress as well, to no result. Any ideas on the matter?
10:48
<johnny>
that's cuz saned isn't running on the client?
10:49
printing works via jetpipe
10:49
iirc
10:49
which is default in most distributions
10:49
there is no such default for scanners i imagine
10:50
maybe there is some documentation for how to piece it together..
10:51
<rjune>
edoardo: You need sane
10:51
It's been done, but not often
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<edoardo>
I got sane.
10:52
How should I use it?
10:52
I added "XINETD_SERVICES = saned" in lts.conf, too.
10:52
Anything else?
10:52
<johnny>
perhaps the ubuntu wiki has documentation
10:52
XINETD_SERVICES ?
10:53
i didn't even know we had that..
10:53
<edoardo>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners
10:53
That's what It's saying in that page.
10:54
<rjune>
edoardo: I would first setup bash on the terminal and make sure you have it working manually
10:54
<edoardo>
I'm a gnome-terminal right now. "scanimage -L" ain't working.
10:54
Nor is sane-scanner-find, not at all.
10:55
I'm #in# a gnome-terminal, that is ;)
10:55
<rjune>
you're using ltsp4 or ltsp5?
10:55
<edoardo>
KIWI-ltsp from last august, which is Suse and I believe it's ltsp5.
10:56
<johnny>
no.. on the client
10:56
ctrl + alt + f1
10:56
err f2..
10:56
gnome-terminal is what is running on the server..
10:56
<edoardo>
Awright.
10:56
Can i SSH to it from gnome-terminal?
10:56
Cause I'm doing this remotely.
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<johnny>
only if the server is automatically started in the chroot
10:57
which it probably isn't
10:57
you'd have to add it.. and reboot the client
10:57
<Nubae>
edoardo: that variable is for ltsp 4
10:58
<edoardo>
I mean, if I ssh to the client's IP, it prompts me for something, so I'm guessing it is working? THough I got no idea which password and login I should use.
10:58
<rjune>
You have to run sain on the terminal.
10:58
sane
10:58
<Nubae>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Scanning_with_LTSP_5_in_Debian_E
10:58
<johnny>
you have to set the root password in the chroot
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<Nubae>
and do passwd -u
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<edoardo>
How do I do that? I only used the Server this far.
10:59
<petre>
join #fedora
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<Nubae>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ passwd -your-password-
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and then sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u
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<edoardo>
I got no /opt/ltsp/i386
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<Nubae>
alhtough maybe its different on suse
11:01
heh
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<edoardo>
I think KIWI-ltsp handles this differntly
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<Nubae>
yeah... wonderful when it comes to problem solving isnt it
11:01
the distro that chooses to be different
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<edoardo>
Well I mean it's working really well. I'm positive that there's a way to handle this.
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<edoardo>
Great
11:06
It's supposed to be in
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chroot /srv/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp-suse-11.0.i686-0.0.1
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except on my Machine it's a file, not a directory :(
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<edoardo>
Any pointers?
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<Nubae>
because suse does everything differently, we cant really help
11:14
<edoardo>
Meaning, you just don't know how Suse works.
11:14
You know, doing things differently is usually good.
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<Nubae>
meaning Suse does things differently from everyone else
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<edoardo>
Like I said.
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<Nubae>
meaning LTSP 5 has a standard, and only suse decides to do it their weird way
11:15
<edoardo>
Which is fun.
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<Nubae>
if it was any other OS, we could help
11:15
<edoardo>
Well, listen, let's leave it like this.
11:15
Provided I get to the chroot, which I may eventually... what then?
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<Nubae>
I really dont know how suse works, I posted a link to how u do scanning on debian
11:17
<edoardo>
Awright.
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<edoardo>
Cool got it. Will let ya know how this is evolving.
11:27
Nubae, going into chroot will change all the client though, not just one of them, correct?
11:27
<Nubae>
right
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<edoardo>
And if I do passwd on "chroot", then all I gotta do is reboot each client, and when I ssh to the client's actual IPADrress, it'll work with that password? FOr every client?
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<Nubae>
only if u have sshd installed in the chroot
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<tostado>
i tried hard to set my client keyboard to german, anybody got a clue how to configure that ?
13:04
<stgraber>
Yeah !!! I got suspend to ram working on a thin client :)
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<stgraber>
Nubae: hey, I just gave another quick try to sugar, it works quite well :)
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Nubae: I just had to install sugar and sugar-activities on the application server, remove network-manager and set LDM_XSESSION=sugar
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Nubae: now my test lab is autologing into sugar :)
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<mr_clark>
Hi guys. Just got ltsp installed on Ubuntu 8.10. Works great except that the login screen is screwed up. It's got huge block letters that take up most of the screen. Any idea how to fix this?
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<hadouken>
[test IRC message]
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<Nubae>
stgraber: cool, so that is a fat client?
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LDM_XSESSION=sugar? where was that defined?
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<stgraber>
Nubae: nope, that's a thin client with sugar on the server
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<Nubae>
ah ok... yeah sugar runs fast right?
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<stgraber>
Nubae: in lts.conf (well, in my case in our control center, but the result is the same)
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Nubae: yeah it does, but so does gnome on that kind of hardware :) (Intel Atom 1.6Ghz)
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<Nubae>
yeah but sugar as an option for xsession?
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when was that done
15:30
I ran it on a geode 500, and it flew
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also, sugar only uses 55mb
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<stgraber>
LDM_XSESSION just starts /usr/share/xsessions/<LDM_XSESSION>.desktop on the server
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so the sugar package provides /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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<Nubae>
oh, thats new...
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sugar.desktop didnt exist before
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If you want sessions to exit cleanly, u need to add a --exit-with-session
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<stgraber>
root@ltspdemo-appserv1:~# dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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sugar: /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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Nubae: ah, ok thanks for the tip. The .desktop only starts sugar-shell, without any option :(
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<Nubae>
and for collaboration u need ejabberd, have u played with collaboration yet?
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<stgraber>
nope, not yet
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<Nubae>
thats really cool
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when u see people sharing apps across the network, it blows your mind
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kids just pick it up like a mobile phone
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the way to install is at !sugar I believe
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<Nubae>
!sugare
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<ltspbot`>
Nubae: Error: "sugare" is not a valid command.
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<Nubae>
!sugar
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<ltspbot`>
Nubae: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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<Nubae>
ah...
15:34
its basically installing ejabberd with the olpc patches
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I'd like to get it working on fat client though... for some reason that doesnt quite work
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<stgraber>
ok, so looking at that link, the sugar part is done, I just need to do some configuration and install ejabberd
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<Nubae>
yeah
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for jaunty we should really include that default...
15:38
the option for sugar I mean
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I'm setting up 2 labs now here in Austria with ltsp+sugar
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<stgraber>
yeah, if we have an easy way to do a ltsp fat client with sugar, it should be a plugin as they did for mythbuntu
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so you'd have a ltsp-build-client option for sugar
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<Nubae>
fat client is done, and in theory its just apt-get install sugar sugar-activities, but I still get an X on the screen with no session manager
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<cliebow>
Ho~
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<jammcq>
cliebow: hey
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<cliebow>
jammcq:you were asking about a wireless antenna?
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<jammcq>
yeah
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<cliebow>
you can have the one i had mounted on the house...
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not good for wardriving 9`_
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<jammcq>
well.... let's give it a try
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<cliebow>
i have dongles for cisco and orinoco,,
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<jammcq>
how about for a Linksys router?
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<cliebow>
umm..i used to..lemme look
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<jammcq>
well, if you find it, bring it along
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<cliebow>
reverse tnc..something like that
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<jammcq>
warren is bringing wireless routers
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I'm bringing scotty
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both are valuable :)
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<warren>
you smuggling him over the border?
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<jammcq>
well, we'll be crossing the border a couple of times
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we take a shortcut from michigan, through ontario, then into newyork
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<cliebow>
i have one to fit my linksys antenna connection..the other end is n connector
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screws right on..seems like i sweat bullets to match it up..
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screws right on..seems like i sweat bullets to match it up..
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<petre>
jammcq, did you say you've met the QWK2LRN people?
17:05
James Hare?
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from Detroit?
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<jammcq>
petre: I've never met him, but I've talked to him
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<petre>
do they have an LTSP installation in Detroit somewhere?
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<jammcq>
yeah
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a couple I think
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<petre>
running on a mainframe?
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<jammcq>
no blue
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err
18:13
no clue
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<petre>
that's the impression I got when I met him in Indianapolis
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but he was a sales guy, couldn't tell me any technical details
18:14
said they used RHEL instead of CentOS because it could be used on mainframes
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which is a rather odd claim
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<jammcq>
what's odd about it?
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<petre>
the demo system he had was an old compaq rackmount machine
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also running RHEL
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<jammcq>
ok, I use RHEL for some customers too
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<petre>
right, we did too when I worked for Nextel
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but we used CentOS on our dev & test machines
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didn't need any sort of support on it
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and that's all we use where I"m working now
18:17* jammcq is still waiting for the "odd" part
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<petre>
but again, support isn't an issue
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to claim that they couldn't use CentOS, that they had to use RHEL
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<jammcq>
well, maybe for the mainframe they do
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<petre>
for 'technical' reasons
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<jammcq>
does Centos support a mainframe?
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<petre>
not sure, but that wasn't a mainframe he had in his hotel room
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there is something to be said for using the same system across the board
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<jammcq>
ok, maybe he's just not comfortable using a knockoff of redhat
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<petre>
right, I think that's the case
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<jammcq>
i've never used centos
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<petre>
it's just like RHEL, a respin of RH's source code
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<jammcq>
I understand that
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<petre>
they strip out all the artwork and stuff
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the conversation just felt like "If it doesn't have a company behind it, it can't be any good"
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that's why I said 'odd'
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<jammcq>
the linux world has been fighting that idea since the beginning
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<petre>
perhaps I just misunderstood
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<jammcq>
and just because you CAN get a free copy of redhat doesn't always mean you should get the free copy
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I'm a big believer in paying for quality, to help make it even better quality
18:22
using centos does nothing at all to help redhat make a better product
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for years, back when I used Redhat exclusively, I'd buy the packaged version just to help support the cause, even tho I could download the isos for free
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<petre>
actually, I heard somewhere that some of the Centos folks are being paid by RH
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<jammcq>
hmm, wonder why the'd do that
18:27
unless they are really RH employees, working on centos on the side
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<petre>
because it's a good way to get Linux in the door
18:27
could be
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at Nextel, we bought RHEL for the production boxes, made the managers sleep better at night
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<jammcq>
every once in a while, I run into a problem and have to get RH support involved and it reminds me why we pay for it
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<petre>
but we used CentOS on the deve & test boxes 'cause we didn't care if there were problems, which there never were
18:29
right, but it was a way to show an advantage over buying another box and putting windows on it since we had a site license
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and cheaper than buying another HP-UX box
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and countering the 'it can't be any good if there's no company behind it' mentality
18:30
multi-prong approach/advantages
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have you ever heard of anyone else running LTSP from Linux running on a mainframe?
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<jammcq>
yeah, over the years, I've heard from a few people
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